It would be nice though to be able to specify a tag that keeps it from being choped....I understand your pain but the fix kills the URI.
Of course one could construe that this weeds out the people who are not smart enough to notice that the space is a problem and needs to be hand fixed before pasting it into Azureus......but I'm a nice person and would rather have it work without having to hand fix it.
Note...slashdot puts a space before the last two characters..so when pasting the URI into Azureus (latest version) with "open location" be sure to omit the space.
AND...be sure you have trackerless BT plugin enabled! (when starting up Azureus it takes a couple of min to integrate into the DHT network)
Is'nt that goofy how/. tends to put a space before the last two characters? (Hey Taco!...fix it!).
I've posted Magnet URI's before and always kick myself in the ass for forgetting to mention along with the URI that you need to get rid of the space near the end.
More people should publish Magnet URI's instead of links to torrent files.
In a recent talk at Stanford Bram Cohen recent commented on people trying to be "clever" in his words. The fact of the matter is that Bram's protocol works because it assumes that every client is out for it's own best interest. The moment you start adding features that require a client give "truethful" information concerning order of packets or whatsoever you open the door for people cheating and trying to leach more than give. MS's idea is just another "clever" idea which forgets this.
So does this mean they will have a "space station" in orbit around the moon? Or ar they talking moon base. Or was the phrase "space station a mistake?"
If you can believe it everybody here at the unamed government agency I work for has their own inkjet printer. Why? Because they are too lazy to get up and walk over to the $20K floor copier that nobody uses.
Sometimes the Federal Gov boggles my mind....when I worked in the private sector if I had asked my manager for a personal ink jet printer he would of passed out laughing and then after recovering would tell me to get back to work, use the floor copier and don't EVER ask for something so stupid again!
You can refer to any torrent (that at least one azureus client is connected to) through the distributed hash table network. Be sure you have the distributed DB plugin (comes with azureus) and make sure you have UDP 6881 available to your client. Fire it up...wait until the "initializing" message is over...you should see a number with around 300,000 to 600,000 users clients.
Then in Azureus go Open----> location ------> and paste the Magnet URI in the window (omit the space between the last W and 32...slashdot mangled it when I pasted it).
Give the client at least a couple of min to "gather" the information from the DHT network.
I think the internet link to duke is saturated...because i did'nt have any problem getting the torrent file over Internet2
My son tried to "clean" my ipod mini with a brillo pad, and then found some nail polish remover (100% pure Acetone". It still works, but it looks like somebody took it back in time, buried it and found it on some archaeology dig....
I've never been in a torrent where there was'nt at least SOME aggregate downstream bandwidth in and above what the uploading clients were taking. But, when you first join a torrent the protocol is written so that seeders that are done downloading are three times as likely to choose new torrent clients with little or no data over clients that already have some data and are uploading. I should say at this point I really don't know EXACTLY how this works. Except that it seems that there is a percentage involved of how much a seeder gives a leecher before it stopps giving anymore (unless th e leecher starts uploading) ---from the article--
Once a client has obtained a list of other peers, it will contact them to try to fetch the data it is looking for. In BitTorrent, file contents is split into small-sized pieces and each client maintains the list of the pieces it holds. After a handshake, peers exchange their piece lists so that each of them may determine whether the other has some pieces they are interested in obtaining. The bandwidth being a limited resource, a single client cannot serve every peer interested in pieces it holds at the same time. The maximum number of peers served concurrently (i.e. the number of available slots) is configurable by the user. All other peers connected to a client (whether they are interested or not) which are not being served are said to choked. In consequence, each client implements an algorithm to choose which peers to choke and un-choke among those connected to him over time. The strategy proposed by BitTorrent is named "tit-for-tat", meaning that a client will preferably cooperate with the peers cooperating with him. Practically, this means that each client measures how fast it can download from each peer and, in turn, will serve those from whom it has the better download rates. This strategy is implemented for all but one slot which is attributed to an interested client, regardless of its upload rate. This so-called "optimistic unchoking" allows for the discovery of better peers than those currently selected (i.e. those with higher upload rates). This strategy, however, if implemented strictly, would considerably slow down the insertion of newcomers into a running swarm as, they obviously do not have anything to share at the beginning. Thus, clients that have nothing to share are given three time more chances to be selected by the optimistic unchoke. When a client has finished downloading a file it no longer has a download rate from other peers but it can still share (upload) pieces of the file. In this case the choking algorithm is applied by considering upload rate instead. Peers are selected based on how fast they can be uploaded to. This spreads the file faster. Such "seeder" peers that store the whole file are very important to the functioning of a swarm. If a swarm contains no seeders it may lead to a situation in which pieces of the file are missing from the swarm as a whole. In this sense the system requires at least some level of altruistic behaviour from "seeders".
Ummm...the difference is that bittorrent works. Leechers who are not uploading will by definition in the bittorrent protocol get NOTHING if there is no unused spare bandwidth not being taken by people who upload.
Bram designed the protocol on the assumption that every client is out for it's own best interest. Once a leecher attaches to a network, sets his/her upload bandwidth to zero and sees no downloading why would they stay part of the torrent?
With the advent of the DHT networks in use by the Mainline bittorrent client and Azureus you could argue that there are "networks". There have been several examples of how to search these dht networks for active (and inactive..ie..trackerless) torrents.
Apple said they will only allow OS X to run on Apple systems...but they did NOT say they would not allow Windows to run on their systems.
Think about it.
A consumer is at Best Buy or Circuit City...they can buy a Dell/Toshiba/HP and run Windows. OR they can buy the Apple system and run OS X OR Windows. All of a sudden Apple's Intel systems have a value added proposition that the other clone vendors can't match!
Everybody keeps talking about the possiblity of running OS X on standard PC's...but what about buying an apple intel box and being able to run windows AND OS X.....with some of the virtualization machine stuff comming out in chip architechtures you'll probably be able to run each OS in it's own VM side by side!
If I were a buisness and Apple comes out with Hardware that runs windows as good or better than something Dell makes...I would SERIOUSLY consider apple because of the advantage of being able to choose either OS...or BOTH!
Dell will be slave to windoze only....interesting!
So what are developers going to test their Intel compiled OS X apps on? Is apple going to sell prototypes of Apple Intel systems to any developer who wants to test their app?
Steve said that an Intel preview version of OS X would be available within days...what exactly do you think this will run on?
There seem to be MANY people who think that you will not be able to run OS X on standard PC equipment...
1. Steve said that a developer preview of Intel OS X will be available soon (within days).
2. What are the developers going to run this on? Is apple giving developers hardware prototypes?
If they are'nt giving them prototypes then the developers will HAVE TO use a standard PC. I would imagine the set of hardware will be somewhat constrictive but it will be a regular PC.
Re:Paste from Macworld..read before flaming
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Continued paste from Macworld...
Rosetta keeps old apps running
Jobs also discussed a new technology called Rosetta, that he described as "a dynamic binary translator." It runs existing PowerPC applications on the Intel platform, he said. Jobs described Rosetta as "lightweight," and said "it's nothing like Classic."
Jobs demonstrated Rosetta by running Microsoft Office applications, Quicken and Photoshop CS 2 -- all unmodified PowerPC-binary versions, unlike Mathematica -- on the new Intel-based hardware.
"So that is Rosetta, Jobs concluded. "These PowerPC apps just run. And that's what we're going to have for our users, because every app isn't going to be there for our users on day one."
Microsoft's Roz Ho and Adobe's Bruce Chizen both took the stage to reaffirm their commitment to the Macintosh platform. Ho said that Microsoft has been "working with Apple for some time" to create future versions of Office using Apple's Xcode tools, and will create universal binaries accordingly." Chizen called Apple's decision to move to Intel "great," and gently chided Steve Jobs: "What took you so long?"
Jobs talked about the major transitions in the Mac's life -- starting from the Mac's Motorola 68000-series processor to PowerPC. "The PowerPC set Apple up fro the next decade. It was a good move," he said.
"The second transition was even better -- the transition from Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X that we just did," he continued. "This was a brain transplant. And even though these operating systems (9 and x) vary only by one in name, they are very different, and this has set Apple up for the next 20 years."
As the Intel logo lowered on the stage screen, Jobs said, "We are going to make the transition from PowerPC to Intel processors, and we are going to do it for you now, and for our customers next year. Why? Because we want to be making the best computer for our customers looking forward."
"I stood up here two years ago and promised you 3.0 GHz. I think a lot of you would like a G5 in your PowerBook, and we haven't been able to deliver that to you," said Jobs. "But as we look ahead, and though we've got great products now, and great PowerPC products still to come, we can envision great products we want to build, and we can't envision how to build them with the current PowerPC roadmap," said Jobs.
Intel processors provide more performance per watt than PowerPC processors do, said Jobs. "When we look at future roadmaps, mid-2006 and beyond, we see PoweRPC gives us 15 units of perfomance per watt, but Intel's roadmap gives us 70. And so this tells us what we have to do," he explained.
Transition to Intel by 2007, and yes, Marklar exists
"Starting next year, we will introduce Macs with Intel processors," said Jobs. "This time next year, we plan to ship Macs with Intel processors. In two years, our plan is that the transition will be mostly complete, and will be complete by end of 2007."
Jobs then confirmed a long-held belief that Apple was working on an Intel-compatible version of Mac OS X that some have termed "Marklar."
Mac OS X has been "leading a secret double life" for the past five years, said Jobs. "So today for the first time, I can confirm the rumors that every release of Mac OS X has been compiled for PowerPC and Intel. This has been going on for the last five years."
Jobs demonstrated a version of Mac OS X running on a 3.6GHz Pentium 4-processor equipped system, running a build of Mac OS X v10.4.1. He showed Dashboard widgets, Spotlight, iCal, Apple's Mail, Safari and iPhoto all working on the Intel-based system.
Apple needs developers' help to complete the transition
"We are very far along on this, but we're not done," said Jobs. "Which is why we're going to put it in your hands very soon, so you can help us finish it."
Widget, scripts and Java applications should work in the new environment without any conversion, said Jobs. Cocoa-based applications will require "a few minor tweaks and a recompile." Carbon-based applications require "a few more tweaks," recompiling, and "they'll work," said Jobs. And projects built using Metrowerks' CodeWarrior need to be moved to Xcode.
The future of Mac OS X development is moving to Xcode, said Jobs. Of Apple's top 100 developers, more than half -- 56 percent -- are already using Xcode, and 25 percent are in the process of switching to Xcode. "Less than 20 percent are not on board yet. Now is a good time to get on board," said Jobs.
A new build of Xcode, version 2.1, is being released today. This new release enables developers to specify PowerPC or Intel architectures. "... and you're going to build what's called a universal binary. It contains all the bits for both architectures," said Jobs. "One binary, works on both PowerPC and Intel architecture. So you can ship one CD that supports both processors."
"This is nothing like Carbonizing"
Many developers reading this news may be thinking that they'll have to go through the same woes they had to in order to get their Mac OS 9 applications "Carbonized" to run on
News.com and some of the other sources are gunna look like clowns if nothing is said...
I can just imagine it...a whole room packed full of people....and the jobs says the BIG announcement is a bump in the storage capacity of the ipod shuffle:)
Slashdot Mirror
It's not link....URI's are NOT LINKS..they don't "link" to anything...hence the term URI instead of URL.
One of the original posts had a posting to the torrent file on torrentreactor. The file downloaded but the tracker was obviously down.
In Azureus if you right click on the torrent file under "my torrents" you will see an option at the bottom that says "copy magnet URI to clipboard"
As for information. I learned about it from wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnet_link
It is'nt the best description in the world but there are links at the bottom and within the document that link to better sources of information.
I find it amazing that more torrent sites don't publish the URI in addition to the torrent file.
The biggest problem is that people seem to not understand what/how Magnet URI's work in conjunction with Azureus.
It would be nice though to be able to specify a tag that keeps it from being choped....I understand your pain but the fix kills the URI.
Of course one could construe that this weeds out the people who are not smart enough to notice that the space is a problem and needs to be hand fixed before pasting it into Azureus......but I'm a nice person and would rather have it work without having to hand fix it.
If you have azureus...just juse the Magnet URI
C VJ FR
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:RDFJDRRUQXGXPZBH7BCFXGRPGKA
Note...slashdot puts a space before the last two characters..so when pasting the URI into Azureus (latest version) with "open location" be sure to omit the space.
AND...be sure you have trackerless BT plugin enabled! (when starting up Azureus it takes a couple of min to integrate into the DHT network)
Is'nt that goofy how /. tends to put a space before the last two characters? (Hey Taco!...fix it!).
I've posted Magnet URI's before and always kick myself in the ass for forgetting to mention along with the URI that you need to get rid of the space near the end.
More people should publish Magnet URI's instead of links to torrent files.
The tracker for part 1 of the avi is down...so here is the Magnet URI for use in Azureus to access the swarm "trackerless"
C VJ FR
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:RDFJDRRUQXGXPZBH7BCFXGRPGKA
In a recent talk at Stanford Bram Cohen recent commented on people trying to be "clever" in his words. The fact of the matter is that Bram's protocol works because it assumes that every client is out for it's own best interest. The moment you start adding features that require a client give "truethful" information concerning order of packets or whatsoever you open the door for people cheating and trying to leach more than give. MS's idea is just another "clever" idea which forgets this.
So does this mean they will have a "space station" in orbit around the moon? Or ar they talking moon base. Or was the phrase "space station a mistake?"
If you can believe it everybody here at the unamed government agency I work for has their own inkjet printer. Why? Because they are too lazy to get up and walk over to the $20K floor copier that nobody uses.
Sometimes the Federal Gov boggles my mind....when I worked in the private sector if I had asked my manager for a personal ink jet printer he would of passed out laughing and then after recovering would tell me to get back to work, use the floor copier and don't EVER ask for something so stupid again!
until you can troubleshoot it..I recommend mirrors.kernel.org...either ftp or http. Lots of bandwidth.
hmm..you should not have to do that. I'll have to research a little
You can refer to any torrent (that at least one azureus client is connected to) through the distributed hash table network. Be sure you have the distributed DB plugin (comes with azureus) and make sure you have UDP 6881 available to your client. Fire it up...wait until the "initializing" message is over...you should see a number with around 300,000 to 600,000 users clients.
Then in Azureus go Open----> location ------> and paste the Magnet URI in the window (omit the space between the last W and 32...slashdot mangled it when I pasted it).
Give the client at least a couple of min to "gather" the information from the DHT network.
I think the internet link to duke is saturated...because i did'nt have any problem getting the torrent file over Internet2
Magnet URI for Azeurus if you don't want to actually download the torrent file....FC4 i386 binary
L DW 32
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:3QYOKFWIML7MWVELF36AWWW3VTV
Oh come now...use your imagination! Or do you only read comic books?
You may laugh now...it was a joke.
hehe...
My son tried to "clean" my ipod mini with a brillo pad, and then found some nail polish remover (100% pure Acetone". It still works, but it looks like somebody took it back in time, buried it and found it on some archaeology dig....
I've never been in a torrent where there was'nt at least SOME aggregate downstream bandwidth in and above what the uploading clients were taking. But, when you first join a torrent the protocol is written so that seeders that are done downloading are three times as likely to choose new torrent clients with little or no data over clients that already have some data and are uploading. I should say at this point I really don't know EXACTLY how this works. Except that it seems that there is a percentage involved of how much a seeder gives a leecher before it stopps giving anymore (unless th e leecher starts uploading)
---from the article--
Once a client has obtained a list of other peers, it will contact them to try to fetch the data it is looking for. In BitTorrent, file contents is split into small-sized pieces and each client maintains the list of the pieces it holds. After a handshake, peers exchange their piece lists so that each of them may determine whether the other has some pieces they are interested in obtaining.
The bandwidth being a limited resource, a single client cannot serve every peer interested in pieces it holds at the same time. The maximum number of peers served concurrently (i.e. the number of available slots) is configurable by the user. All other peers connected to a client (whether they are interested or not) which are not being served are said to choked. In consequence, each client implements an algorithm to choose which peers to choke and un-choke among those connected to him over time. The strategy proposed by BitTorrent is named "tit-for-tat", meaning that a client will preferably cooperate with the peers cooperating with him. Practically, this means that each client measures how fast it can download from each peer and, in turn, will serve those from whom it has the better download rates. This strategy is implemented for all but one slot which is attributed to an interested client, regardless of its upload rate. This so-called "optimistic unchoking" allows for the discovery of better peers than those currently selected (i.e. those with higher upload rates). This strategy, however, if implemented strictly, would considerably slow down the insertion of newcomers into a running swarm as, they obviously do not have anything to share at the beginning. Thus, clients that have nothing to share are given three time more chances to be selected by the optimistic unchoke. When a client has finished downloading a file it no longer has a download rate from other peers but it can still share (upload) pieces of the file. In this case the choking algorithm is applied by considering upload rate instead. Peers are selected based on how fast they can be uploaded to. This spreads the file faster. Such "seeder" peers that store the whole file are very important to the functioning of a swarm. If a swarm contains no seeders it may lead to a situation in which pieces of the file are missing from the swarm as a whole. In this sense the system requires at least some level of altruistic behaviour from "seeders".
Ummm...the difference is that bittorrent works. Leechers who are not uploading will by definition in the bittorrent protocol get NOTHING if there is no unused spare bandwidth not being taken by people who upload.
Bram designed the protocol on the assumption that every client is out for it's own best interest. Once a leecher attaches to a network, sets his/her upload bandwidth to zero and sees no downloading why would they stay part of the torrent?
Well....not 100% correct.....
With the advent of the DHT networks in use by the Mainline bittorrent client and Azureus you could argue that there are "networks". There have been several examples of how to search these dht networks for active (and inactive..ie..trackerless) torrents.
Apple said they will only allow OS X to run on Apple systems...but they did NOT say they would not allow Windows to run on their systems.
Think about it.
A consumer is at Best Buy or Circuit City...they can buy a Dell/Toshiba/HP and run Windows. OR they can buy the Apple system and run OS X OR Windows. All of a sudden Apple's Intel systems have a value added proposition that the other clone vendors can't match!
It just occured to me..
Everybody keeps talking about the possiblity of running OS X on standard PC's...but what about buying an apple intel box and being able to run windows AND OS X.....with some of the virtualization machine stuff comming out in chip architechtures you'll probably be able to run each OS in it's own VM side by side!
If I were a buisness and Apple comes out with Hardware that runs windows as good or better than something Dell makes...I would SERIOUSLY consider apple because of the advantage of being able to choose either OS...or BOTH!
Dell will be slave to windoze only....interesting!
Really?
So what are developers going to test their Intel compiled OS X apps on? Is apple going to sell prototypes of Apple Intel systems to any developer who wants to test their app?
Steve said that an Intel preview version of OS X would be available within days...what exactly do you think this will run on?
There seem to be MANY people who think that you will not be able to run OS X on standard PC equipment...
1. Steve said that a developer preview of Intel OS X will be available soon (within days).
2. What are the developers going to run this on? Is apple giving developers hardware prototypes?
If they are'nt giving them prototypes then the developers will HAVE TO use a standard PC. I would imagine the set of hardware will be somewhat constrictive but it will be a regular PC.
Continued paste from Macworld...
Rosetta keeps old apps running
Jobs also discussed a new technology called Rosetta, that he described as "a dynamic binary translator." It runs existing PowerPC applications on the Intel platform, he said. Jobs described Rosetta as "lightweight," and said "it's nothing like Classic."
Jobs demonstrated Rosetta by running Microsoft Office applications, Quicken and Photoshop CS 2 -- all unmodified PowerPC-binary versions, unlike Mathematica -- on the new Intel-based hardware.
"So that is Rosetta, Jobs concluded. "These PowerPC apps just run. And that's what we're going to have for our users, because every app isn't going to be there for our users on day one."
Microsoft's Roz Ho and Adobe's Bruce Chizen both took the stage to reaffirm their commitment to the Macintosh platform. Ho said that Microsoft has been "working with Apple for some time" to create future versions of Office using Apple's Xcode tools, and will create universal binaries accordingly." Chizen called Apple's decision to move to Intel "great," and gently chided Steve Jobs: "What took you so long?"
The rumors are true: Intel will be inside
Jobs talked about the major transitions in the Mac's life -- starting from the Mac's Motorola 68000-series processor to PowerPC. "The PowerPC set Apple up fro the next decade. It was a good move," he said.
"The second transition was even better -- the transition from Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X that we just did," he continued. "This was a brain transplant. And even though these operating systems (9 and x) vary only by one in name, they are very different, and this has set Apple up for the next 20 years."
As the Intel logo lowered on the stage screen, Jobs said, "We are going to make the transition from PowerPC to Intel processors, and we are going to do it for you now, and for our customers next year. Why? Because we want to be making the best computer for our customers looking forward."
"I stood up here two years ago and promised you 3.0 GHz. I think a lot of you would like a G5 in your PowerBook, and we haven't been able to deliver that to you," said Jobs. "But as we look ahead, and though we've got great products now, and great PowerPC products still to come, we can envision great products we want to build, and we can't envision how to build them with the current PowerPC roadmap," said Jobs.
Intel processors provide more performance per watt than PowerPC processors do, said Jobs. "When we look at future roadmaps, mid-2006 and beyond, we see PoweRPC gives us 15 units of perfomance per watt, but Intel's roadmap gives us 70. And so this tells us what we have to do," he explained.
Transition to Intel by 2007, and yes, Marklar exists
"Starting next year, we will introduce Macs with Intel processors," said Jobs. "This time next year, we plan to ship Macs with Intel processors. In two years, our plan is that the transition will be mostly complete, and will be complete by end of 2007."
Jobs then confirmed a long-held belief that Apple was working on an Intel-compatible version of Mac OS X that some have termed "Marklar."
Mac OS X has been "leading a secret double life" for the past five years, said Jobs. "So today for the first time, I can confirm the rumors that every release of Mac OS X has been compiled for PowerPC and Intel. This has been going on for the last five years."
Jobs demonstrated a version of Mac OS X running on a 3.6GHz Pentium 4-processor equipped system, running a build of Mac OS X v10.4.1. He showed Dashboard widgets, Spotlight, iCal, Apple's Mail, Safari and iPhoto all working on the Intel-based system.
Apple needs developers' help to complete the transition
"We are very far along on this, but we're not done," said Jobs. "Which is why we're going to put it in your hands very soon, so you can help us finish it."
Widget, scripts and Java applications should work in the new environment without any conversion, said Jobs. Cocoa-based applications will require "a few minor tweaks and a recompile." Carbon-based applications require "a few more tweaks," recompiling, and "they'll work," said Jobs. And projects built using Metrowerks' CodeWarrior need to be moved to Xcode.
The future of Mac OS X development is moving to Xcode, said Jobs. Of Apple's top 100 developers, more than half -- 56 percent -- are already using Xcode, and 25 percent are in the process of switching to Xcode. "Less than 20 percent are not on board yet. Now is a good time to get on board," said Jobs.
A new build of Xcode, version 2.1, is being released today. This new release enables developers to specify PowerPC or Intel architectures. "... and you're going to build what's called a universal binary. It contains all the bits for both architectures," said Jobs. "One binary, works on both PowerPC and Intel architecture. So you can ship one CD that supports both processors."
"This is nothing like Carbonizing"
Many developers reading this news may be thinking that they'll have to go through the same woes they had to in order to get their Mac OS 9 applications "Carbonized" to run on
News.com and some of the other sources are gunna look like clowns if nothing is said...
:)
I can just imagine it...a whole room packed full of people....and the jobs says the BIG announcement is a bump in the storage capacity of the ipod shuffle