I thought that there were like money orders in that once you paid for it, there isn't any way to get your money back without a long, drawn-out process. Did the guy pay for the cashier's check with a bad check or something?
"This document addresses the most commonly asked questions about licensing Microsoft® Office in a Windows terminal server environment."
Terminal server refers to a specific microsoft technology. It is doubtful that using a non-microsoft technology would invoke these restrictions at all. Besides, you could always use an earlier version of office that didn't contain the above license restrictions.
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This has probably been stated 100 times already on this thread, but the Microsoft license specifically states that if you don't agree to its terms, you can return it for a full refund. If your Nissan engine came with such an agreement, why wouldn't you expect to be able to return it?
Would I have to ask an IP lawyer if a book publisher decided that I was only buying a physical copy of a book and not the right to read the words printed within? Of course not. I bought the book and one copy of the words printed within. I am free to do with them as copyright allows.
>So ? If I recall correctly, mainframes in the old days used to ship with HARDWARE that you couldn't access legally.
This is still the case. The major difference is that with these mainframes, you have an actual signed contract that spells out what you are allowed to do with that hardware. Unlike a EULA, which is just wishful thinking on the part of the software industry.
So what? It's already yours. You already paid for the copy of winXP that came with the computer. It's not like you're bound by agreements made after you already own something.
The poster I responded to said, "The fact that they should evolve to essentially the same DNA structure..." when in fact they don't have the same genetic structure, only similar body plans.
>Most scientists today have as a basic proposition "God does not exist."
Where did you ever get that idea? The majority of scientists are in fact religious people. Just because they don't use them as an explaination for everything doesn't mean they can't believe.
The tasmanian tiger has a very different genetic structure than any 'normal' cat. Just because two animals look similar on the outside doesn't necessarily mean that they are closely related. Just think about comparing a shark and a porpoise - similar looking, but not very closely related.
Someone evil hacker must have broken into my computer and illegally installed that file sharing program. Windows *is* known for its weak security, you know. How can I possibly be liable for what a hacker (and weak windows security) did with my computer?
You can always do what I do: rent your movies from the local video rental place and copy it to your hard drive if you like it. Your average Divx takes up about 700m of space, so you can fit more than 100 on an 80g hard drive.
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> And if I die two seconds after my first contribution at age 20, then my children will receive survivor benefits until they are 18, or 21 if they go to college.
So which is more likely, dying at 20 or dying at 65? Besides, you have to contribute for a certain number of years and the amount you get is based on the average of your highest-paid years of employment. Most 20 year olds haven't exactly made the big bucks.
>If you had invested the money yourself for those two seconds, or even for a few years, what would your kids have? They'd be in the gutter.
They'll be in the gutter if they have to rely on the pittance they'd get from SS too.
>If you bought life insurance? Yeah, "if." And if they didn't, that just tough for the kids, right?
It shouldn't be the government's job to protect stupid people from themselves.
>(And what young couple increases their life insurance benefits - which really means increasing their life insurance payments - the moment that a child is conceived?)
Insurance is dirt cheap for a person in their 20s. If you can't afford $10 a month to pay for life insurance, you aren't going to get much social security. Not to mention that if the person didn't *have* to pay 7% into SS, he'd have it to spend on insurance...
>You can't beat that kind of social security, so you ignored it. Your argument is crap when you ignore the reality of giving families a lifeline to survival.
Right. Even retired people are not supposed to try and live on social security alone. It is a supplement at best.
>The argument about failure? If the opponents spent one second working from facts instead of ideology, it would have a better chance.
Right now, the SS 'trust fund' (HA! As if there is just a big lump of money sitting somewhere) is predicted to be gone in 2038. Care to guess what year I'm eligible to retire?
It was only a 1 year contract. At the end of the year, they finally decided it probably wasn't such a good idea to have so many consultants taking up space. I suppose you could check their corporate web site and see if they are hiring. The office I worked in was in Columbus, OH. Big, sprawling office too.
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>Social security is not a retirement plan, it's a fall-back. It doesn't make sense for you to invest it yourself.Social security is not a retirement plan, it's a fall-back. It doesn't make sense for you to invest it yourself.
Social security is a scam. Nothing more, nothing less. If you pay into it for 45 years and die on your 65th birthday, the government gets to keep every cent. If you had invested the money yourself, at least your kids would gain the benefits of all your years of work.
Does anyone in their 20s right now really think they are going to get any money out of social security? The whole system is set up for failure. It cannot possibly continue to pay out until the time we retire without sucking the life out of the whole economy. It's time to get rid of the whole thing. Stop collecting from us, and only pay out what people have actually paid in.
I consulted for Bank One for about a year at one time. My only advice is to run away as quickly as possible! Any company that wastes money on the scale that they do doesn't deserve to be in business. I was on a team with 7 other consultants, and for 10 months out of the year I was there, we had literally nothing to do. They were paying consultant rates for us to surf the web.
I said, "Actual sound quality is no different to a pair of human ears". If you can show me a single double blind listening test where people could pick out the difference between a cd and a SACD that were mastered from the same source, then you can say I'm misinformed. Until then, you are just swallowing the marketing that's being fed to you.
>All "regular" CDs (including those recorded at 24bit/96kHz or better) encode a waveform using 16bit/44.1kHz PCM (Pulse Code Modulation), commonly referred to as the "redbook" standard. SACDs, on the other hand, use DSD (Direct Stream Digital) high resolution coding.
So what? Can anyone on the planet *hear* the difference? I doubt it. Does it justify buying all new equipment and a brand new form of media for all the same music you already have? Not at all.
The only real difference is more channels of sound. Actual sound quality is no different to a pair of human ears. The only thing that might make them sound any better is the fact that they are going to do a much better job mastering the early releases. If they took as much care when mastering cds, they'd sound just as good.
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Where is that? In our area, you can get RoadRunner for 44.95 if you have basic cable also, or 49.95 if you don't.
Yep. Completely anonymously. How scandalous! As one of the other posters pointed out, even whole books could be published anonymously. How did the country ever survive?!?
>There was no anonymity, no over-educated under-worked "Anonymous Cowards" when your Constitutional rights were framed. You had a gripe, you got up on your soapbox in the Town Square and you made it, loud and clear.
You could even ride your horse to another town and get up on a soapbox there, and guess what - nobody knew you! That's right, you were anonymous and were allowed to speak!
>The Founding Fathers wanted to make sure you couldn't be legally shot or carried off later that night, so they protected your right to speak freely....and anonymously.
>The Constitution does not, was not meant to, protect your anonymity as you take snivelling globally distributed pot shots at the government or corporations or the media or soccer Moms or Britney Spears all from the safety of a firewalled computer terminal on your employer's time.
Of course not. They didn't have any concept of firewalls or Britney Spears. They didn't need to spell out the right to be anonymous because everyone already was effectively anonymous. They had no way of knowing that some day the government would have to power to track everything you do, and would have been horrified at the idea.
>Remeber, free speech et al was written in a time when there wasn't true anonmity
Yes there was. Even more than there is now. Anyone could make up a bunch of fliers and post them all over town in the middle of the night and there would be no way of knowing who did it. It's not like they could even check them for fingerprints...
>Unfortunately not. You have purchased a licence to use the product and only own the medium upon which the licensed material is provided to you. You still do not own the product.
On what do you base that opinion? How is my purchase of software any different from my purchase of a book?
I can even see this going the other way - IBM (or someone like them) renting your spare computing power from your home PC. Maybe paying you $20 a month or something to have use of you processor every night.
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I thought that there were like money orders in that once you paid for it, there isn't any way to get your money back without a long, drawn-out process. Did the guy pay for the cashier's check with a bad check or something?
From the top of the page you posted:
"This document addresses the most commonly asked questions about licensing Microsoft® Office in a Windows terminal server environment."
Terminal server refers to a specific microsoft technology. It is doubtful that using a non-microsoft technology would invoke these restrictions at all. Besides, you could always use an earlier version of office that didn't contain the above license restrictions.
This has probably been stated 100 times already on this thread, but the Microsoft license specifically states that if you don't agree to its terms, you can return it for a full refund. If your Nissan engine came with such an agreement, why wouldn't you expect to be able to return it?
>If you did agree to some, say, shrinkwrap book license, you'd have to obey that license.
I don't think so. Simply attaching a notice purporting to be a contract doesn't make it enforcable.
Would I have to ask an IP lawyer if a book publisher decided that I was only buying a physical copy of a book and not the right to read the words printed within? Of course not. I bought the book and one copy of the words printed within. I am free to do with them as copyright allows.
>So ? If I recall correctly, mainframes in the old days used to ship with HARDWARE that you couldn't access legally.
This is still the case. The major difference is that with these mainframes, you have an actual signed contract that spells out what you are allowed to do with that hardware. Unlike a EULA, which is just wishful thinking on the part of the software industry.
So what? It's already yours. You already paid for the copy of winXP that came with the computer. It's not like you're bound by agreements made after you already own something.
I don't think so.
The poster I responded to said, "The fact that they should evolve to essentially the same DNA structure..." when in fact they don't have the same genetic structure, only similar body plans.
>Most scientists today have as a basic proposition "God does not exist."
Where did you ever get that idea? The majority of scientists are in fact religious people. Just because they don't use them as an explaination for everything doesn't mean they can't believe.
The tasmanian tiger has a very different genetic structure than any 'normal' cat. Just because two animals look similar on the outside doesn't necessarily mean that they are closely related. Just think about comparing a shark and a porpoise - similar looking, but not very closely related.
Someone evil hacker must have broken into my computer and illegally installed that file sharing program. Windows *is* known for its weak security, you know. How can I possibly be liable for what a hacker (and weak windows security) did with my computer?
You can always do what I do: rent your movies from the local video rental place and copy it to your hard drive if you like it. Your average Divx takes up about 700m of space, so you can fit more than 100 on an 80g hard drive.
> And if I die two seconds after my first contribution at age 20, then my children will receive survivor benefits until they are 18, or 21 if they go to college.
So which is more likely, dying at 20 or dying at 65? Besides, you have to contribute for a certain number of years and the amount you get is based on the average of your highest-paid years of employment. Most 20 year olds haven't exactly made the big bucks.
>If you had invested the money yourself for those
two seconds, or even for a few years, what would your kids have? They'd be in the gutter.
They'll be in the gutter if they have to rely on the pittance they'd get from SS too.
>If you bought life insurance? Yeah, "if." And if they didn't, that just tough for the kids, right?
It shouldn't be the government's job to protect stupid people from themselves.
>(And what young couple increases their life insurance benefits - which really means increasing their life insurance payments - the moment that a child is conceived?)
Insurance is dirt cheap for a person in their 20s. If you can't afford $10 a month to pay for life insurance, you aren't going to get much social security. Not to mention that if the person didn't *have* to pay 7% into SS, he'd have it to spend on insurance...
>You can't beat that kind of social security, so you ignored it. Your argument is crap when you ignore the reality of giving families a lifeline to survival.
Right. Even retired people are not supposed to try and live on social security alone. It is a supplement at best.
>The argument about failure? If the opponents spent one second working from facts instead of ideology, it would have a better chance.
Right now, the SS 'trust fund' (HA! As if there is just a big lump of money sitting somewhere) is predicted to be gone in 2038. Care to guess what year I'm eligible to retire?
Social Security shouldn't even exist.
It was only a 1 year contract. At the end of the year, they finally decided it probably wasn't such a good idea to have so many consultants taking up space. I suppose you could check their corporate web site and see if they are hiring. The office I worked in was in Columbus, OH. Big, sprawling office too.
>Social security is not a retirement plan, it's a fall-back. It doesn't make sense for you to invest it yourself.Social security is not a retirement plan, it's a fall-back. It doesn't make sense for you to invest it yourself.
Social security is a scam. Nothing more, nothing less. If you pay into it for 45 years and die on your 65th birthday, the government gets to keep every cent. If you had invested the money yourself, at least your kids would gain the benefits of all your years of work.
Does anyone in their 20s right now really think they are going to get any money out of social security? The whole system is set up for failure. It cannot possibly continue to pay out until the time we retire without sucking the life out of the whole economy. It's time to get rid of the whole thing. Stop collecting from us, and only pay out what people have actually paid in.
I consulted for Bank One for about a year at one time. My only advice is to run away as quickly as possible! Any company that wastes money on the scale that they do doesn't deserve to be in business. I was on a team with 7 other consultants, and for 10 months out of the year I was there, we had literally nothing to do. They were paying consultant rates for us to surf the web.
Seriously. The first thing I'd do with any DVD that is going to self-destruct is make a copy of it. This is just a dumb idea all around.
> You, my friend, are grossly misinformed.
About what?
I said, "Actual sound quality is no different to a pair of human ears". If you can show me a single double blind listening test where people could pick out the difference between a cd and a SACD that were mastered from the same source, then you can say I'm misinformed. Until then, you are just swallowing the marketing that's being fed to you.
>All "regular" CDs (including those recorded at 24bit/96kHz or better) encode a waveform using 16bit/44.1kHz PCM (Pulse Code Modulation), commonly referred to as the "redbook" standard. SACDs, on the other hand, use DSD (Direct Stream Digital) high resolution coding.
So what? Can anyone on the planet *hear* the difference? I doubt it. Does it justify buying all new equipment and a brand new form of media for all the same music you already have? Not at all.
The only real difference is more channels of sound. Actual sound quality is no different to a pair of human ears. The only thing that might make them sound any better is the fact that they are going to do a much better job mastering the early releases. If they took as much care when mastering cds, they'd sound just as good.
Where is that? In our area, you can get RoadRunner for 44.95 if you have basic cable also, or 49.95 if you don't.
They had DNA testing at the time of the writing of the bill of rights? That Ben Franklin really was one smart mofo!
> A Bunch of Fliers? All Over Town?! Oh, Boy!
...and anonymously.
Yep. Completely anonymously. How scandalous! As one of the other posters pointed out, even whole books could be published anonymously. How did the country ever survive?!?
>There was no anonymity, no over-educated under-worked "Anonymous Cowards" when your Constitutional rights were framed. You had a gripe, you got up on your soapbox in the Town Square and you made it, loud and clear.
You could even ride your horse to another town and get up on a soapbox there, and guess what - nobody knew you! That's right, you were anonymous and were allowed to speak!
>The Founding Fathers wanted to make sure you couldn't be legally shot or carried off later that night, so they protected your right to speak freely.
>The Constitution does not, was not meant to, protect your anonymity as you take snivelling globally distributed pot shots at the government or corporations or the media or soccer Moms or Britney Spears all from the safety of a firewalled computer terminal on your employer's time.
Of course not. They didn't have any concept of firewalls or Britney Spears. They didn't need to spell out the right to be anonymous because everyone already was effectively anonymous. They had no way of knowing that some day the government would have to power to track everything you do, and would have been horrified at the idea.
>Remeber, free speech et al was written in a time when there wasn't true anonmity
Yes there was. Even more than there is now. Anyone could make up a bunch of fliers and post them all over town in the middle of the night and there would be no way of knowing who did it. It's not like they could even check them for fingerprints...
>Unfortunately not. You have purchased a licence to use the product and only own the medium upon which the licensed material is provided to you. You still do not own the product.
On what do you base that opinion? How is my purchase of software any different from my purchase of a book?
I can even see this going the other way - IBM (or someone like them) renting your spare computing power from your home PC. Maybe paying you $20 a month or something to have use of you processor every night.