Lots of talk but no evidence. Has there been a single double blind test where an 'audiophile' has been able to tell the difference between a 256k mp3 and a cd? (Besides the one case where the guy with damaged hearing could tell the difference because he couldn't hear anything above 8khz)
None of which changes the fact that he is a US citizen and is just as entitled to his constitutional rights as you or I. Isn't it even a little scary that the government can just declare someone an 'enemy combatant' and strip them of even the right to consult an attorney? How could you even fight those charges?
Just a reminder, there has been no declaration of war against anyone. There is absolutely zero justification for stripping anyone of their constitutional rights when we are not at war.
> I can't tell you how many illicit drug-related illnesses I've treated; overdoses, infections, complications, drug-induced abortions, etc, etc... the monetary cost is huge.
Consider that the brunt of the monetary costs are not a direct result of the drugs themselves, but of the fact that they are illegal. If you could get a pure, measured dose of a drug, you are a lot less likely to get infected or overdose. That's not even counting the decrease in injury dur to violence related to turf wars. The costs to society would be dramatically lower all around if drugs were legal.
The RIAA doesn't agree one bit with file sharing and look how much of it is available to the common person (with a computer, of course). It is all there for the taking. The fact that they offer it for sale doesn't lessen its free availability.
>Yes, it is true that they did not lose a sale. >However, how can you say that it is not theft? > > * Something costs money to get.
Like bottled water?
> * You get it without paying any money
By drinking from the tap?
> * Therefore, you have committed theft.
Holy cow! Evian should send the cops after me!
>It doesn't matter that they didn't lose money on it. It does matter that they didn't get the money that should have come to them for the transfer of property.
What property transfer? They still have the exact same property they started out with. Nobody has lost any property.
>Let me put this a different way.
> * You buy the rights to download something digitally > * You download said item > * You steal the money you used to buy the rights
>Is this theft?
Of course, you stole something that they actually owned, the cash. As I'm not at all interested in buying "the rights to download something digitally", they would never have gotten that money in the first place.
Why would anyone keep a crappy mp3 on their computer for other people to download? It would take all of 5 seconds after a file was downloaded to hit the delete key when it is obviously not a good file.
Just change every instance of 'PCI' on the webpage and documentation to 'Peripheral Component Interconnect' with the first letter of each word much larger than the others.
Yeah, I'm sure we will all be so grateful when nobody can produce any new works without violating someone's copyright because everything is a derivative work. How many creative jobs are you keeping from ever happening by disallowing the use of a mouse that was a favorite of our grandparents when they were kids? If these copyright laws had been in effect in the early part of last century, Disney itself could never have made Snow White, or Pinnochio, or Winnie the Pooh. How many people does Disney now employ? Without the ability to make derivative works, how would it ever have gotten started?
Can you even begin to imagine the legal ramifications for the RIAA if they were actually involved with illegally accessing millions of private computers? Every single instance would be a violation of federal law! While there is a tiny possibility that these crackers did what they claim, there is zero possibility that the RIAA financed it, and that tends to make me disbelieve the whole story.
I worked there for about a week once at a concession stand when I was 18. Let me tell you that the amount of cash they bring in is *obscene*! Our one little stand could bring in 20K on an average day, and there were probably 100 just like it. That isn't even counting admission or souvenirs. The worst thing was the cheap bastards made you work 60 hour weeks and didn't pay any overtime because it was seasonal work.
"Five months later, the alleged proprietor of a small-time document mill is at the center of what appears to be the only criminal case of its kind in the United States since the Sept. 11 attacks -- one in which secret evidence has been presented against the defendant. Atriss remains in jail, now on $500,000 bond -- an amount consistent with a murder charge -- but prosecutors will not say why he poses such a serious risk or give him a chance to respond."
This is going too far. Our government is pissing all over the constitution. We are *not* at war until congress makes a declaration of war, and even then, US citizens have the right to see the evidence that is being used against them. I hope every one of you dumbasses who voted for the dumbass currently in charge is happy with the dictatorship that's forming right before your eyes.
I would venture that most open source developers are not paid at all for their efforts. I know that I write code in my free time because I enjoy it. If I could get paid for it, that would be great. As it is, I am paid to write code that I find uninteresting. That fact hasn't lessened my personal enjoyment of writing interesting code one bit.
>And that is the problem. Everybody is using Open Source to their advantage, but who is actually developing?
Anyone who wants to. Have a look at freshmeat.net sometime. There is certainly no lack of people who are willing to develop open source programs, whether they desire payment or not.
>For someone who has never had to kick a habit, like drugs, drinking, sex, smoking, etc... it's easy to stand there and laugh at those of us who have been there and tell us simply to "stop" or "don't".
It's easy to tell you that because it *really is* just as simple as not doing that thing. If you don't want to do something, just don't freaking do it! Don't stand there and tell me that you can't help yourself, that's bullshit. Playing the game (or smoking cigarettes, or drinking) requires an effort on your part. If you don't expend the effort, you won't partake in the activity. It's not like those things will happen unless you make them happen...
I don't think you've actually had a look at freenet. There are index sites along the lines of what yahoo does. All you have to do is send a message through freenet telling one of these sites the location of your information (or on one of the message boards, newsgroups, or chat programs) and it becomes public knowledge. This doesn't expose you personally in any way.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
IOW, if the federal government isn't specifically given some power in the constitution, the states and the people are. If you can point out where the constitution allows spying on its own citizens (be careful not to look at amendment 4 while you're in there), I'll gladly concede that they have that power.
All communication over freenet is anonymous. Unless you tell someone, there is no way for anybody to know what information you are inserting or requesting. Your isp knowing your IP won't tell them anything beyond the fact that you might be running a freenet node.
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Lots of talk but no evidence. Has there been a single double blind test where an 'audiophile' has been able to tell the difference between a 256k mp3 and a cd? (Besides the one case where the guy with damaged hearing could tell the difference because he couldn't hear anything above 8khz)
Freenet encrypts everything on the local drive...
None of which changes the fact that he is a US citizen and is just as entitled to his constitutional rights as you or I. Isn't it even a little scary that the government can just declare someone an 'enemy combatant' and strip them of even the right to consult an attorney? How could you even fight those charges?
Just a reminder, there has been no declaration of war against anyone. There is absolutely zero justification for stripping anyone of their constitutional rights when we are not at war.
> I can't tell you how many illicit drug-related illnesses I've treated; overdoses, infections, complications, drug-induced abortions, etc, etc... the monetary cost is huge.
Consider that the brunt of the monetary costs are not a direct result of the drugs themselves, but of the fact that they are illegal. If you could get a pure, measured dose of a drug, you are a lot less likely to get infected or overdose. That's not even counting the decrease in injury dur to violence related to turf wars. The costs to society would be dramatically lower all around if drugs were legal.
The RIAA doesn't agree one bit with file sharing and look how much of it is available to the common person (with a computer, of course). It is all there for the taking. The fact that they offer it for sale doesn't lessen its free availability.
>Yes, it is true that they did not lose a sale. >However, how can you say that it is not theft?
>
> * Something costs money to get.
Like bottled water?
> * You get it without paying any money
By drinking from the tap?
> * Therefore, you have committed theft.
Holy cow! Evian should send the cops after me!
>It doesn't matter that they didn't lose money on it. It does matter that they didn't get the money that should have come to them for the transfer of property.
What property transfer? They still have the exact same property they started out with. Nobody has lost any property.
>Let me put this a different way.
> * You buy the rights to download something digitally
> * You download said item
> * You steal the money you used to buy the rights
>Is this theft?
Of course, you stole something that they actually owned, the cash. As I'm not at all interested in buying "the rights to download something digitally", they would never have gotten that money in the first place.
Why would anyone keep a crappy mp3 on their computer for other people to download? It would take all of 5 seconds after a file was downloaded to hit the delete key when it is obviously not a good file.
Just change every instance of 'PCI' on the webpage and documentation to 'Peripheral Component Interconnect' with the first letter of each word much larger than the others.
Yeah, I'm sure we will all be so grateful when nobody can produce any new works without violating someone's copyright because everything is a derivative work. How many creative jobs are you keeping from ever happening by disallowing the use of a mouse that was a favorite of our grandparents when they were kids? If these copyright laws had been in effect in the early part of last century, Disney itself could never have made Snow White, or Pinnochio, or Winnie the Pooh. How many people does Disney now employ? Without the ability to make derivative works, how would it ever have gotten started?
Nope. Never passed.
They are completely full of crap.
Can you even begin to imagine the legal ramifications for the RIAA if they were actually involved with illegally accessing millions of private computers? Every single instance would be a violation of federal law! While there is a tiny possibility that these crackers did what they claim, there is zero possibility that the RIAA financed it, and that tends to make me disbelieve the whole story.
You mean something like Mencoder?
>The mantis isn't the biggest anything but getting tunnel vision is simply the coolest sensation you can ask for out of a roller coaster 8-^)
:)
Yeah, I just love that "blood being pushed out of your brain, must be near death" feeling.
I worked there for about a week once at a concession stand when I was 18. Let me tell you that the amount of cash they bring in is *obscene*! Our one little stand could bring in 20K on an average day, and there were probably 100 just like it. That isn't even counting admission or souvenirs. The worst thing was the cheap bastards made you work 60 hour weeks and didn't pay any overtime because it was seasonal work.
>Do you really think that the media wouldn't be ALL OVER an instance where the government has taken a legitimate citizen?
Have you heard this one?
"Five months later, the alleged proprietor of a small-time document mill is at the center of what appears to be the only criminal case of its kind in the United States since the Sept. 11 attacks -- one in which secret evidence has been presented against the defendant. Atriss remains in jail, now on $500,000 bond -- an amount consistent with a murder charge -- but prosecutors will not say why he poses such a serious risk or give him a chance to respond."
This is going too far. Our government is pissing all over the constitution. We are *not* at war until congress makes a declaration of war, and even then, US citizens have the right to see the evidence that is being used against them. I hope every one of you dumbasses who voted for the dumbass currently in charge is happy with the dictatorship that's forming right before your eyes.
I would venture that most open source developers are not paid at all for their efforts. I know that I write code in my free time because I enjoy it. If I could get paid for it, that would be great. As it is, I am paid to write code that I find uninteresting. That fact hasn't lessened my personal enjoyment of writing interesting code one bit.
>And that is the problem. Everybody is using Open Source to their advantage, but who is actually developing?
Anyone who wants to. Have a look at freshmeat.net sometime. There is certainly no lack of people who are willing to develop open source programs, whether they desire payment or not.
>For someone who has never had to kick a habit, like drugs, drinking, sex, smoking, etc ... it's easy to stand there and laugh at those of us who have been there and tell us simply to "stop" or "don't".
It's easy to tell you that because it *really is* just as simple as not doing that thing. If you don't want to do something, just don't freaking do it! Don't stand there and tell me that you can't help yourself, that's bullshit. Playing the game (or smoking cigarettes, or drinking) requires an effort on your part. If you don't expend the effort, you won't partake in the activity. It's not like those things will happen unless you make them happen...
So how does this get stretched around to give them the right to spy on people who haven't broken any laws or are not involved in interstate commerce?
I don't think you've actually had a look at freenet. There are index sites along the lines of what yahoo does. All you have to do is send a message through freenet telling one of these sites the location of your information (or on one of the message boards, newsgroups, or chat programs) and it becomes public knowledge. This doesn't expose you personally in any way.
Tenth amendment:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
IOW, if the federal government isn't specifically given some power in the constitution, the states and the people are. If you can point out where the constitution allows spying on its own citizens (be careful not to look at amendment 4 while you're in there), I'll gladly concede that they have that power.
All communication over freenet is anonymous. Unless you tell someone, there is no way for anybody to know what information you are inserting or requesting. Your isp knowing your IP won't tell them anything beyond the fact that you might be running a freenet node.
Did you type that all out or do you have some sort of flame generating software?
Well, there was a terminator hand left in those giant gears when Arnold pried his own arm off...
Oops. Didn't read the whole story before posting. :(