All the same ideas were put forward a few years ago when the Federal building was bombed.
"It's Saddam!" "It's Palestine!" "It's Bin Lauden"......."It was one of us????"
So until someone offical stands up and says; "Hi, it was me and here is proof." and the US gov says "Yup, they did it, we are going to bomb them into yesterday." I'm not blaming anyone.
However, it's probably Lybia...they have been to quiet.
No wonder they are all paranoid about Napster et al! Obviously, they are willing to pay a great deal to get thier songs to the masses, but now the power is in the hands of the individual.Yes, people still download what is on the radio, but in time that will change.
When we are talking about THIS much money, someone somewhere is getting really scared.
So now the government for the people, will have to PAY private corporations to talk to....itself? This ties in greatly with campaign reform, now politicians will have to have major $$$ behind them to air commercials on the air to run for office. Who is going to supply them with the money? Major corporations of course. (Oil anyone?)
Considering you can't really "own" the land you live on (the minute you don't pay tax, it's not yours anymore) how can they just outright sell the airwaves to private corporations...they belong to US...the people!
I'm sorry, the FTAA and the WTO pale in comparison to this issue. Workers can always unite, unions can always sprout up in the most deplorable conditions, but when you sell the most important means of communication in the 21st century from the people, I think we have a problem.
I can't wait to see the protests on this one.
Goodbye PBS, goodbye public access television, goodbye CBC and the BBC, goodbye.
I agree with you 100%. My question was based on people suing Oliver Stone (thrown out by now) producing Natural Born Killers, suing ID Software for making Doom, Quake, claiming Beavis and Butthead made kids burn down trailers, or that the Internet lead to Columbine.
People like us who are sick and tired of wackos calling for legal action on games, movies and music can point to this ruling as an example.
Am I the only one who has the strong suspicion that the people who support anti-abortion acts are the same people who blame sex and violence in media as the reason for ANY crime today? Good luck proving your case now!
This also means that we Canucks can air nudity, swearing and full on violence during prime time. Most movies run on national stations go on un-edited a-la HBO anyway (Most Canadians will agree on this one, check the latet blockbuster on CTV or CityTV) the broadcasters can now plead innocence on what they air and when.
"What do you mean your children saw nudity and cursing at 8:30PM on a Monday? Didn't you set your V-Chip? You asked for it, didn't you?"
I say bring it on! I'd love to watch Rated-R movies at 9PM on a national network without being "Edited for content". V-chip set to full censor, no problem.
Imagine the possibilities. No more of this "What about the children" crap, just use the V-chip and your kids won't be able to watch Ginger Lynn in her new 1 hour sex drama - "Sex, Lies, and even more Sex", (Tuesdays on CTV, Rated XXXX - the extra 'x' is for eXcitement)
I was at a trade show conference this Monday, ISPCON in Toronto, and one of the speakers in the marketing session sounded just like this guy.
I won't say his name for fear of the backlash, but he talked about how we need to take the "IT out of digital marketing and the Internet" and (even scarier) how we need to provide wireless access to developing countires so we can.....turn them into consumers. Not to feed them, or help them build an economy...he wants to give them the ability to make money so people can market to them!
I've been involved with the Internet since '94, and what scared me the most was that the majority of the people in attandace agreed with him!
You should check out Pionneer for the amp, but the speakers is the number one consideration, and will cost you the most.
I'd say PSB or Paradigm.....Sony even sells PSB, due to the quality, they're not cheap!
with copying? Maybe the MPAA is really worried about people manufacturing NON CSS compliant machines, which would be out of their control.
They must have known that making the source code illegal would have little effect on it's free distribution, but when someone would try to make a DVD player using DeCSS....bango, instant lawsuit on a federal level.
The fact Linux users will still use this to play DVD on their desktops doesn't bother them, but John Q Public running down to Best Buy or Walmert to buy a player that can play ANY region CD does.
Back in 1995, Quebec held the latest of it's two referendums on seperation. In the aftermath of the close (VERY close) desicion of the population to stay within Canada, it was reported that there were many voting problems at the polls. People turned away for no reason, slow lines at polling stations, rejected votes...and all located in areas that were either too close to call, or heavily in favor of staying in Canada.
Nothing ever come of the accusations, but since the result was so close, people wondered how close the actual vote was. From what I remember, the difference was about 15,000, but the number of rejected votes was close to 25,000...and all of them were for the NO side (No we don't want to seperate).
So it has happend in North America that a governemnt in power in the 20th century has tried to rig a vote to achieve victory. I'm not saying that Bush's people tried to secure Florida by fixing the vote, but it wouldn't suprise me if we found out they did.
Don't they ever learn?
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"Toy manufacturers will put their file of Mickey Mouse on the Internet and people will simply pay to download it," says Chris Ryall of Warwick University.
Famous last words. Sound familiar to anyone? I remember talking about this years ago, when a friend was talking about car manufacturers using this technology. The only problem was how to make money off of it? That didn't stop Diamond from coming out with the Rio, even though they knew no money was going to be made from MP3's, they must have been counting on it.
It will be very hard to tell what eventual application this will start up.....did you ever think 7 years ago that the Internet was going to be used for stock trading? Or as an election tool? Or better yet, for/.?
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I could be wrong but... isn't that what the EFF is for? Or should the EFF participate as a member of this new association?
Ok, forgot about them. Good idea. Maybe half the work has already been done.
Existing infrastucture, recognized name, and pretty much respected by the/. community.
Well then maybe they should start collecting member lists and use the numbers as politcal muscle!
"We represent X number of citizens across the country, and they are all registered voters as stipulated in our mambership agreement (or something like that)."
And to Threed who wrote: The US has NEVER been a democracy. It's a REPUBLIC and damn proud of it. Sorry about the mistake, but the point is the same. If you don't have money to burn to fight the good fight, use your numbers as a lobby group. You may not be able to fund a congressmen's next election, but you do have to power to kick him out!
Living in Canada, we do not have such power, or do we seem to get excited about issues of this nature. We have learned some important lessons from our buddies to the south, here's one back at you.
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For one, I'm not a US citizen, but have been following all this very closely.
That out of the way, the solution is painfully obvious, yet might be difficult.
Organize an association of Internet users and like minded people. Call yourselves "Internet users of America" or something along those lines. Gather ACTUAL names and addresses, attract new members, vote on a platform, elect a leader...then LOBBY!!!!
Easier said than done is the big problem. You might be able to start with Slashdot and K5 active members, then expand to other web based gathering sites. The EGO thing will also be hard to overcome, but if someone credible, and a name you all recognize starts it, and at least gets a buy in from editors, it might actually work.
How can you fight the "Motion Picture ASSOCIATION of America" and the "Recording Industry ASSOCIATION of America" with being an asociation or special interest group yourself?
The article on Suck had some very good points, defacing a web page for kicks is not going to accomplish ANYTHING except irritate John Q. Public.
Not to belittle the monumental hurtles and battles of the African Americans in the last century, but if all Martin Luther King did was spray paint graffiti on a few walls, would anything have been accomplished?
For simplicitys sake, and to avoid fractures, start here, start on/. and don't exclude someone just because they are not a "Linux" zelot, but if they feel the same way as you on most political issues, welcome them.
Consider this a CALL TO ACTION for someone (for legal purposes...someone of voting age) to carry the torch and start something, hell.....even Jon Katz could do this. You may not like what he has to say, but he has credibility in the real world. and in an association he HAS to listen to the active voting members.
Like it or not, this is quickly becoming a battle of the most organized, not the most technical.
4. Online piracy is the unauthorized uploading of a copyrighted sound recording and making it available to the public, or downloading a sound recording from an Internet site, even if the recording isn't resold. Online piracy may now also include certain uses of 'streaming' technologies from the Internet."
Since the/. community is only a very small percentage of the music buying market, why not spend the energy on continuing development on Gnutella or OpenNap instead? Liked a feature in Napster? Import it to the other platform. Gnutella could use a "Hot-list" feature, there's one idea already!
I've been waiting for some government, somewhere to finally realize the obvious fact that prohibition doesn't work.
The government tried it in the 20's, and created Al Capone and the growth of the mafia. Of course it also helped make people like Seagram very VERY rich. So in order to eliminate the crime that was the result of the black market for alcohol, the government removed prohibition, and made alcohol "legal" substance. Sure there were now laws governing the manufacture and distribution of alcohol, but at least it wasn't banned anymore.
I'm sure we all know the same process can be applied to drugs, so then why the hell hasn't some government ANYWHERE realised this? Canada is the closest in North America to legalising drugs, but it hesitant to do so, fearing the US reaction. Imagine a Canadian embargo??
Point being, I give up. People in power right now are obviously too opinionated or dumb to come to the simple conclusion that banning a substance not only invites crime, but creates it.
Under US law, no one under the age of 18 can legally enter in a contract. Therefore, we should have some appointed underage people be in charge of opening all EULA enabled material, and posting it on/.!
Assume I've never used Napster (I have for awhile now). What username are they referring to? Did they just capture IP addresses of people who have Metallica MP3's up for grabs, or people who are downloading Metallica MP3's?
I'm a little foggy on "what" they actually captured.
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At least he didn't say; "I've already consulted my bible"
All the same ideas were put forward a few years ago when the Federal building was bombed.
......."It was one of us????"
"It's Saddam!" "It's Palestine!" "It's Bin Lauden"
So until someone offical stands up and says; "Hi, it was me and here is proof." and the US gov says "Yup, they did it, we are going to bomb them into yesterday." I'm not blaming anyone.
However, it's probably Lybia...they have been to quiet.
I'm sorry, not only does this not mean anything, but please....today is not the day to bring this up. Please mod down.
Hey, mod this parernt up....I've never thought of this before. PBS was alwsys captioned, since TLC is basically taking over they should as well.
No wonder they are all paranoid about Napster et al! Obviously, they are willing to pay a great deal to get thier songs to the masses, but now the power is in the hands of the individual.Yes, people still download what is on the radio, but in time that will change.
When we are talking about THIS much money, someone somewhere is getting really scared.
So now the government for the people, will have to PAY private corporations to talk to ....itself? This ties in greatly with campaign reform, now politicians will have to have major $$$ behind them to air commercials on the air to run for office. Who is going to supply them with the money? Major corporations of course. (Oil anyone?)
Considering you can't really "own" the land you live on (the minute you don't pay tax, it's not yours anymore) how can they just outright sell the airwaves to private corporations...they belong to US...the people!
I'm sorry, the FTAA and the WTO pale in comparison to this issue. Workers can always unite, unions can always sprout up in the most deplorable conditions, but when you sell the most important means of communication in the 21st century from the people, I think we have a problem.
I can't wait to see the protests on this one.
Goodbye PBS, goodbye public access television, goodbye CBC and the BBC, goodbye.
Don't listen to Jon, the ending is fine, the movie is great, and I'm pissed at the studios for NOT releasing this amazing movie to a wider audience!!
I agree with you 100%. My question was based on people suing Oliver Stone (thrown out by now) producing Natural Born Killers, suing ID Software for making Doom, Quake, claiming Beavis and Butthead made kids burn down trailers, or that the Internet lead to Columbine.
People like us who are sick and tired of wackos calling for legal action on games, movies and music can point to this ruling as an example.
Am I the only one who has the strong suspicion that the people who support anti-abortion acts are the same people who blame sex and violence in media as the reason for ANY crime today? Good luck proving your case now!
This also means that we Canucks can air nudity, swearing and full on violence during prime time. Most movies run on national stations go on un-edited a-la HBO anyway (Most Canadians will agree on this one, check the latet blockbuster on CTV or CityTV) the broadcasters can now plead innocence on what they air and when.
"What do you mean your children saw nudity and cursing at 8:30PM on a Monday? Didn't you set your V-Chip? You asked for it, didn't you?"
I say bring it on! I'd love to watch Rated-R movies at 9PM on a national network without being "Edited for content". V-chip set to full censor, no problem.
Imagine the possibilities. No more of this "What about the children" crap, just use the V-chip and your kids won't be able to watch Ginger Lynn in her new 1 hour sex drama - "Sex, Lies, and even more Sex", (Tuesdays on CTV, Rated XXXX - the extra 'x' is for eXcitement)
Ok...i just set this up 1 minute ago
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I did this so the topic wouldn't get lost in moderation.
So what would it take to start one? I'd love to help, but all I have to offer is time, a little (small) tech knowledge and bandwidth.
Gas powered engines have only one source of energy available....gas!
You can make electricity with oil, nuclear power, solar, wind, and of course water.
Now you are going to tell us that all these cars will provided with electricity ONLY generated by burning oil? I don't think so.
At least with electric cars we have the option to use oil as a power source.
I was at a trade show conference this Monday, ISPCON in Toronto, and one of the speakers in the marketing session sounded just like this guy.
I won't say his name for fear of the backlash, but he talked about how we need to take the "IT out of digital marketing and the Internet" and (even scarier) how we need to provide wireless access to developing countires so we can.....turn them into consumers. Not to feed them, or help them build an economy...he wants to give them the ability to make money so people can market to them!
I've been involved with the Internet since '94, and what scared me the most was that the majority of the people in attandace agreed with him!
You should check out Pionneer for the amp, but the speakers is the number one consideration, and will cost you the most.
I'd say PSB or Paradigm.....Sony even sells PSB, due to the quality, they're not cheap!
with copying? Maybe the MPAA is really worried about people manufacturing NON CSS compliant machines, which would be out of their control.
They must have known that making the source code illegal would have little effect on it's free distribution, but when someone would try to make a DVD player using DeCSS....bango, instant lawsuit on a federal level.
The fact Linux users will still use this to play DVD on their desktops doesn't bother them, but John Q Public running down to Best Buy or Walmert to buy a player that can play ANY region CD does.
Kaplan knew this, he must have.
Back in 1995, Quebec held the latest of it's two referendums on seperation. In the aftermath of the close (VERY close) desicion of the population to stay within Canada, it was reported that there were many voting problems at the polls. People turned away for no reason, slow lines at polling stations, rejected votes...and all located in areas that were either too close to call, or heavily in favor of staying in Canada.
Nothing ever come of the accusations, but since the result was so close, people wondered how close the actual vote was. From what I remember, the difference was about 15,000, but the number of rejected votes was close to 25,000...and all of them were for the NO side (No we don't want to seperate).
So it has happend in North America that a governemnt in power in the 20th century has tried to rig a vote to achieve victory. I'm not saying that Bush's people tried to secure Florida by fixing the vote, but it wouldn't suprise me if we found out they did.
"Toy manufacturers will put their file of Mickey Mouse on the Internet and people will simply pay to download it," says Chris Ryall of Warwick University.
/.?
Famous last words. Sound familiar to anyone? I remember talking about this years ago, when a friend was talking about car manufacturers using this technology.
The only problem was how to make money off of it? That didn't stop Diamond from coming out with the Rio, even though they knew no money was going to be made from MP3's, they must have been counting on it.
It will be very hard to tell what eventual application this will start up.....did you ever think 7 years ago that the Internet was going to be used for stock trading? Or as an election tool? Or better yet, for
I could be wrong but... isn't that what the EFF is for? Or should the EFF participate as a member of this new association?
/. community.
Ok, forgot about them. Good idea. Maybe half the work has already been done.
Existing infrastucture, recognized name, and pretty much respected by the
Well then maybe they should start collecting member lists and use the numbers as politcal muscle!
"We represent X number of citizens across the country, and they are all registered voters as stipulated in our mambership agreement (or something like that)."
And to Threed who wrote: The US has NEVER been a democracy. It's a REPUBLIC and damn proud of it. Sorry about the mistake, but the point is the same. If you don't have money to burn to fight the good fight, use your numbers as a lobby group. You may not be able to fund a congressmen's next election, but you do have to power to kick him out!
Living in Canada, we do not have such power, or do we seem to get excited about issues of this nature. We have learned some important lessons from our buddies to the south, here's one back at you.
For one, I'm not a US citizen, but have been following all this very closely.
/. and don't exclude someone just because they are not a "Linux" zelot, but if they feel the same way as you on most political issues, welcome them.
That out of the way, the solution is painfully obvious, yet might be difficult.
Organize an association of Internet users and like minded people. Call yourselves "Internet users of America" or something along those lines. Gather ACTUAL names and addresses, attract new members, vote on a platform, elect a leader...then LOBBY!!!!
Easier said than done is the big problem. You might be able to start with Slashdot and K5 active members, then expand to other web based gathering sites. The EGO thing will also be hard to overcome, but if someone credible, and a name you all recognize starts it, and at least gets a buy in from editors, it might actually work.
How can you fight the "Motion Picture ASSOCIATION of America" and the "Recording Industry ASSOCIATION of America" with being an asociation or special interest group yourself?
The article on Suck had some very good points, defacing a web page for kicks is not going to accomplish ANYTHING except irritate John Q. Public.
Not to belittle the monumental hurtles and battles of the African Americans in the last century, but if all Martin Luther King did was spray paint graffiti on a few walls, would anything have been accomplished?
For simplicitys sake, and to avoid fractures, start here, start on
Consider this a CALL TO ACTION for someone (for legal purposes...someone of voting age) to carry the torch and start something, hell.....even Jon Katz could do this. You may not like what he has to say, but he has credibility in the real world. and in an association he HAS to listen to the active voting members.
Like it or not, this is quickly becoming a battle of the most organized, not the most technical.
4. Online piracy is the unauthorized uploading of a copyrighted sound recording and making it available to the public, or downloading a sound recording from an Internet site, even if the recording isn't resold. Online piracy may now also include certain uses of 'streaming' technologies from the Internet."
How is this different from radio???
Well it's like they say....if you want to make an omlette, you have to break a few eggs.
Since the /. community is only a very small percentage of the music buying market, why not spend the energy on continuing development on Gnutella or OpenNap instead? Liked a feature in Napster? Import it to the other platform. Gnutella could use a "Hot-list" feature, there's one idea already!
I've been waiting for some government, somewhere to finally realize the obvious fact that prohibition doesn't work.
The government tried it in the 20's, and created Al Capone and the growth of the mafia. Of course it also helped make people like Seagram very VERY rich. So in order to eliminate the crime that was the result of the black market for alcohol, the government removed prohibition, and made alcohol "legal" substance. Sure there were now laws governing the manufacture and distribution of alcohol, but at least it wasn't banned anymore.
I'm sure we all know the same process can be applied to drugs, so then why the hell hasn't some government ANYWHERE realised this? Canada is the closest in North America to legalising drugs, but it hesitant to do so, fearing the US reaction. Imagine a Canadian embargo??
Point being, I give up. People in power right now are obviously too opinionated or dumb to come to the simple conclusion that banning a substance not only invites crime, but creates it.
Under US law, no one under the age of 18 can legally enter in a contract. Therefore, we should have some appointed underage people be in charge of opening all EULA enabled material, and posting it on /.!
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Assume I've never used Napster (I have for awhile now). What username are they referring to? Did they just capture IP addresses of people who have Metallica MP3's up for grabs, or people who are downloading Metallica MP3's?
I'm a little foggy on "what" they actually captured.