it is widely known....only iPods that are reliable and usable while jogging are the original 5GB models, the newer 10/15/20 GB models are not capable of playing without skips
Can you elaborate on why that is?
I haven't bought an ipod yet - for two reasons, #1 $ and #2 not knowing enough about the product to make in informed decision whether it'll fit my needs.
But the can't jog with it concerns me. I'd always read/assumed that the Ipods have 32MB ram in them to cache, so there won't be any skipping with all the cache.
I don't jog much (too hard on the knees) but I do mountainbike/hike a lot. So the potential-ipod-to-be wouldn't be in the most stable situations when I'm doing either.
Sorry, I can wait for the extended set's to come out to buy the DVD of it.
But there's such a long time between the movie's in the theaters and the extended DVD's come out. I just can't wait that long. So I go see it at the show.
And anymore, I really do dread going to the theaters. All the idiots showing up late trying to fit 5 people into the middle while there's tons of seats open at the bottom, cellphones being answered, people talking and crap. But I can't wait, and those huge screens keep tempting me back...
I don't know what KDE and Windows you've been using, but it's not the same ones I've been over the past few years. (Sorry, I never really used Gnome).
Seriously, how do the force you into doing one thing at a time? I can't alt-tab through running apps? I can't have 14 things running on my XP workstation next to me?
Hogwash.
It lends itself to users doing many things
Certainly, it lends itself far better w/ Expose then it did with earlier versions.
Wouldn't "managing window clutter" and "being more effective at multitasking" be nearly one in the same using a GUI?
Unfortunately, I don't have any suggestions. This is my first mac in nearly 15 years:) When the purchase was OK'd, we went looking for the best deal to be had, and ordered it. It really didn't matter to us who it was from, as long as they accept PO's.
I've been debating cancelling the order, but then I figured if they're having problems getting h/w from Apple, then the odds are pretty good that all the vendors are. And if that's the case, I'm probably better off having had the order put into the queue nearly a month ago.
Yesterday, while I was bitchin about this situation, a guy at the office mentioned that he read somewhere online that a bunch of vendors have been complaining that they can't get machines in a "timely fashion" from Apple.
So I wait... and wait... a Dell Latitude D800 would be arriving this week if I would have ordered it on the 7th.
Oh, and if you look at their website, when you're going to order it, it says "usually ships in 3-7 days". Yeah right!!
If I were you, I would atleast call them (or any vendor) before you order and ask when they're expecting them in. The last I spoke with them, they said they'd be arriving from Apple on the 31st.
I've had a PB 15" 1.25 on order from them since 10/7. It's been re-backordered 3 times now. This past time till 10/31.
Yes, their deal w/ the extra 512, carrying case, lock, is a much better price then what you'll get straight from Apple, but at this rate I'm wondering if I'll have it before Thanksgiving.
Yes, they should fix those, and countless other problems. But that's them, not Apple.
They might continue to update 10.2, but I doubtit
I hope they do. From my POV, they *should*, if not only to demonstrate that they have the resources and capability to support those people who've purchased their s/w & h/w, ie those who've supported Apple.
Apple needs to publish time-of-life guidelines. I've looked on their site, and couldn't find them.
My suggestion is to give each.0 release a 2-3 year time of life. Make the 2.3.x releases free, with no timeframe (that's assuming that the.x are really bug-fix releases. Security hot fixes should be available, for free. Then get their coders to make sure that the OS which they are releasing will run on all the h/w they've released over the past 4 years. Anything older - yeah, it'll probably work, yeah, it'll probably be slower, but it odds are it'll run.
I mean, really, if Linus et all can code up an OS that'll still run a Pentium I, why can't Apple do similar?
most of the effort will be directed towards the current OS release
Apple has a monopoly on the supply of computers which run OS X
And that's what scares me about "going Mac". I've got a number of pc's all around my house, and here at work - from 486's to PIV's. All running Linux or Windows XP (mostly Linux). All are very useable, given their expected purpose (ie 486==firewall).
I truely get more "use" of out my boxen then most non-geek computer users.
But that's only because I can run whatever OS I want on them, easily.
I'll agree that every machine has an "end of time of life" - but I can still run WinXP on a PIII quite well. If G5 is the equivalent (or possibly/probably better) then a Pentium4, will longhorn run on a PIII? (yeah, that's semi-rhetorical, but I ask because if a PIII will run MS's OS in 2005-2006, do you think Apple's current PIII equivalent will run the 2005-2006 OS X. I'd agree that if either would run, it'd probably be slow as molasses - but it'd run.
Apple can take that choice away from you, because of their Monopoly.
Then again, w/ a bit of code, I suppose Microsoft could, too.
That's because MS still releases bug fixes for win2k.. in order to fix the audio panning bug in 10.2, you need to buy 10.3
And that's why what Apple is doing is bullshit. Sure, bundle the fix w/ the release of the next OS. But they should also put out a fix (for free) for bugs that are in 10.2 for atleast a few years.
You shouldn't have to purchase another release to get bug fixes in the recently_but_now_past_product.
If you're expecting to bring your own random piece of PERSONAL hardware and get the IS people to make special accomidations for one user you've got a screw loose.
Where is it that you work? Can I apply?!?
We get this all the time. This director's kid needs to print out a report they did with some version of some oddball software they have at home, he has it on a disk now get it printed. Oh the kid forgot to put line #'s on all the pages. Well can't you just edit it for him and re-print it, it's due tommorrow you know.
"Oh? You're late on the rest of the stuff you were supposed to have done this afternoon? Well what the hell were you doing for 2 hours after lunch?"
"oh."
I don't know where you work, but we get requests like this, and are expected to oblige, atleast once per month. And then there's board members... walking in with wireless PDA's having been told they can surf the web while they're here in the buildings.... that's always a treat accomodating them...
The only reason why people want them to switch is the hopeful idea that the prices for their machines will be cheaper then their current cost with the G4/G5 procesors.
But would it? Why would it be cheaper? Who's to say that Apple wouldn't use their own BIOS, so you can't use/make a hombrew clone, and that they wouldn't tack on their "Apple Surcharge" because this is apple h/w?
Now, the reason that Apple considers switching, IMHO, is two-fold:
1. the promise of expanded marketshare 2. they currently have OS X working on Intel already w/ limited driver (er extranous hardware) support.
Whether the 8th was going to be the day, or not, was debateable. Rumors are rumors.
But some of us have begged, pleaded, etc, our boss's to order us a new powerbook. For months. The OK was finally handed down. It was ordered about 7pm on the 7th.
So yes, now I will have to beg for another $130 expenditure for a new laptop that just came for it's OS. Do you think my boss will be happy that after shelling out nearly $3k, it'll cost another $130 for the upgrade less then a month later?
No, he won't. And considering that I'm a first-time 'switcher' and this purchase, in the company's eyes is a huge risk (we're basically MS/Linux shop) it would be far easier for me to not rock-the-boat if Apple atleast did a $0 cost to those within 30-days of purchase.
I really don't see that as too much to ask. For some of us, just obtaining the Mac is a huge battle. Let alone the idea that if I'd just bought it w/ $3k of my own cash, ouch.
Yes, my situation is probably in the minority, compared to most people's.
But damn, if Apple really wants increased marketshare, they need to open that daterange up a bit.
Exactly. The apple-store guys were very reasonable about letting me play on their machines. The rest of the stores, the sales guys were breaking out in sweat, and wanted to show me how to move the mouse on a mac because it's different from a pc... heh, it was very hard to not laugh at the poor fellow.
What would you like them to have installed on them in the store?
Good question. Tough question. Truthfully, I don't know, since I'm not using a mac *yet*. (I should find out today if I'll be allowed to order a new powerbook).
For sure Photoshop, Office, bbedit, Xwindows and maybe the darwin/fink stuff, oh, and VirtualPC 6.1. Put more then 256MB of ram in the thing, more like a GB, minimum.
I've also not experienced the hovering of sales people you speak of
I meant at the CompUSA/Microcenters - not the apple store.
As far as the kid's section - that's a *great* idea, however, I didn't bring mine. I'd have to keep the eye on the back of my head still on them no matter if there's a kids section or not, so it's easier to visit the store alone.
its just safer there in the PC world is kinda sad
Sad? But true -- from a switcher's point. The apps run. I can dual boot into Windows x/y/z/ pro/server, Netware, Linux, BSD(s), etc etc. I know what runs, and I know what applications are available, and that they'll run on the selected OS.
I agree about the virii problem, but that's not what I was referring to. A good McAfee or Symantec antivirus will handle that fairly well on the Windows side of things.
As for the loaner idea, I think you're right. Tell Steve Jobs. If the car manufacturers can do it so can Apple.
That's just it. How the hell can you "spend time with one"? The Apple stores don't have jack installed on them. Microcenter/CompUSA et all hold their breath and watch over your back when you try and tinker with one.
What Apple really needs to do, if they want people to switch, is create a loaner program. Goto an Apple store, give them your CC#, walk out with used_but_newest in their lineup. Use for the weekend. Take back. They wipe the drive, and repeat.
*That* would be cool, and that would really get more people to switch. Most people, that I've come across, doubt whether they *can* switch, so they stay in the PC world. It's just safer there.
Funny that you mention size. Slashdot had, a while back, a story that had a huge number of comments. It was rendering at over 1MB of information to transfer.
So we went and created a css-themed theme for slashcode.
We've been looking at purchasing a new vehicle for my wife since around xmas. (She lost her job soon after in Ohio's state budget cuts, so the idea has been shelved).
We were very seriously considering the Civic Hybrid. We even took it on a test drive for an hour or two. It was a nice vehicle. Very quiet... almost too quiet w/ the engine shutting off like that.
The only problems that we had with it:
1. Battery cost. Dealer said est'd range for replacement was $2k-$5k, and unknown how long they'd last.
2. Car purchase price
Compared to the regular civic's price, the overhead for purchasing the hybrid, given the normal civic's good performance numbers, even w/ the tax credit, wasn't justifyable w/ the battery concerns.
Now, if were doing OK and we had all her student loans paid off and the kids were out of the house, at this point I'd consider eating the few thousand dollars just to drive a car that's so environment/emmissions friendly.
But at this point in time, we can't do that.
Now that she's finally finding a job we're looking at purchasing a Hyndai Elantra (or Ford Focus) as soon as she starts (we're going test-driving this afternoon). We sold her vehicle a few months ago for the cash, so now she'll need something to commute with.
tf23
(btw, thank you George Bush for screwing the economy so people here are losing their jobs but we're still sending billions, daily, to Iraq).
NeXTStep itself wasn't too expensive, it was the hardware that was overpriced.
Granted, even the hardware was before it's time. But schools had a hard time purchasing it. When they did, they loved the systems (atleast at Ohio State we did).
But it was so expensive, especially when someone would question the purchase against a PC or Mac at that time.
Once NeXTStep for Intel came out, that made things a little easier. But, by then, it was almost too late.
It doesn't help when most of the ISP's (especially RoadRunner in my area) constantly are, and have been, advertising "download all the music and multimedia you want very quickly".
To be honest, I think a lot of people think it's OK because that's one of the methods broadband's been sold for the last few years.
The only what I'd be OK with that is if they went with KDE.
While I respect that people don't like KDE, or like XX/YY better, I choose to use KDE. It'd be a pain in my ass if Redhat went with GNOME and didn't give me the choice out of the box to use KDE.
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it is widely known....only iPods that are reliable and usable while jogging are the original 5GB models, the newer 10/15/20 GB models are not capable of playing without skips
Can you elaborate on why that is?
I haven't bought an ipod yet - for two reasons, #1 $ and #2 not knowing enough about the product to make in informed decision whether it'll fit my needs.
But the can't jog with it concerns me. I'd always read/assumed that the Ipods have 32MB ram in them to cache, so there won't be any skipping with all the cache.
I don't jog much (too hard on the knees) but I do mountainbike/hike a lot. So the potential-ipod-to-be wouldn't be in the most stable situations when I'm doing either.
lack of patience!
Sorry, I can wait for the extended set's to come out to buy the DVD of it.
But there's such a long time between the movie's in the theaters and the extended DVD's come out. I just can't wait that long. So I go see it at the show.
And anymore, I really do dread going to the theaters. All the idiots showing up late trying to fit 5 people into the middle while there's tons of seats open at the bottom, cellphones being answered, people talking and crap. But I can't wait, and those huge screens keep tempting me back...
They force you in to doing one thing at a time
I don't know what KDE and Windows you've been using, but it's not the same ones I've been over the past few years. (Sorry, I never really used Gnome).
Seriously, how do the force you into doing one thing at a time? I can't alt-tab through running apps? I can't have 14 things running on my XP workstation next to me?
Hogwash.
It lends itself to users doing many things
Certainly, it lends itself far better w/ Expose then it did with earlier versions.
Wouldn't "managing window clutter" and "being more effective at multitasking" be nearly one in the same using a GUI?
when you install that, you need to look into doing a custom install if you want the X11 SDK installed.
I didn't. Then I installed fink. Upon adding add'l software via fink, I found that I needed the SDK.
So I'm reinstalling Xcode now, w/ the SDK.
Unfortunately, I don't have any suggestions. This is my first mac in nearly 15 years :) When the purchase was OK'd, we went looking for the best deal to be had, and ordered it. It really didn't matter to us who it was from, as long as they accept PO's.
I've been debating cancelling the order, but then I figured if they're having problems getting h/w from Apple, then the odds are pretty good that all the vendors are. And if that's the case, I'm probably better off having had the order put into the queue nearly a month ago.
Yesterday, while I was bitchin about this situation, a guy at the office mentioned that he read somewhere online that a bunch of vendors have been complaining that they can't get machines in a "timely fashion" from Apple.
So I wait... and wait... a Dell Latitude D800 would be arriving this week if I would have ordered it on the 7th.
Oh, and if you look at their website, when you're going to order it, it says "usually ships in 3-7 days". Yeah right!!
If I were you, I would atleast call them (or any vendor) before you order and ask when they're expecting them in. The last I spoke with them, they said they'd be arriving from Apple on the 31st.
You may want to re-think that.
I've had a PB 15" 1.25 on order from them since 10/7.
It's been re-backordered 3 times now. This past time till 10/31.
Yes, their deal w/ the extra 512, carrying case, lock, is a much better price then what you'll get straight from Apple, but at this rate I'm wondering if I'll have it before Thanksgiving.
Microsoft should fix
.0 release a 2-3 year time of life. Make the 2.3.x releases free, with no timeframe (that's assuming that the .x are really bug-fix releases. Security hot fixes should be available, for free. Then get their coders to make sure that the OS which they are releasing will run on all the h/w they've released over the past 4 years. Anything older - yeah, it'll probably work, yeah, it'll probably be slower, but it odds are it'll run.
:)
Yes, they should fix those, and countless other problems. But that's them, not Apple.
They might continue to update 10.2, but I doubtit
I hope they do. From my POV, they *should*, if not only to demonstrate that they have the resources and capability to support those people who've purchased their s/w & h/w, ie those who've supported Apple.
Apple needs to publish time-of-life guidelines. I've looked on their site, and couldn't find them.
My suggestion is to give each
I mean, really, if Linus et all can code up an OS that'll still run a Pentium I, why can't Apple do similar?
most of the effort will be directed towards the current OS release
That's to be expected, I'd assume... or hope
Apple has a monopoly on the supply of computers which run OS X
And that's what scares me about "going Mac". I've got a number of pc's all around my house, and here at work - from 486's to PIV's. All running Linux or Windows XP (mostly Linux). All are very useable, given their expected purpose (ie 486==firewall).
I truely get more "use" of out my boxen then most non-geek computer users.
But that's only because I can run whatever OS I want on them, easily.
I'll agree that every machine has an "end of time of life" - but I can still run WinXP on a PIII quite well. If G5 is the equivalent (or possibly/probably better) then a Pentium4, will longhorn run on a PIII? (yeah, that's semi-rhetorical, but I ask because if a PIII will run MS's OS in 2005-2006, do you think Apple's current PIII equivalent will run the 2005-2006 OS X. I'd agree that if either would run, it'd probably be slow as molasses - but it'd run.
Apple can take that choice away from you, because of their Monopoly.
Then again, w/ a bit of code, I suppose Microsoft could, too.
That's because MS still releases bug fixes for win2k.. in order to fix the audio panning bug in 10.2, you need to buy 10.3
And that's why what Apple is doing is bullshit. Sure, bundle the fix w/ the release of the next OS. But they should also put out a fix (for free) for bugs that are in 10.2 for atleast a few years.
You shouldn't have to purchase another release to get bug fixes in the recently_but_now_past_product.
If you're expecting to bring your own random piece of PERSONAL hardware and get the IS people to make special accomidations for one user you've got a screw loose.
Where is it that you work? Can I apply?!?
We get this all the time. This director's kid needs to print out a report they did with some version of some oddball software they have at home, he has it on a disk now get it printed. Oh the kid forgot to put line #'s on all the pages. Well can't you just edit it for him and re-print it, it's due tommorrow you know.
"Oh? You're late on the rest of the stuff you were supposed to have done this afternoon? Well what the hell were you doing for 2 hours after lunch?"
"oh."
I don't know where you work, but we get requests like this, and are expected to oblige, atleast once per month. And then there's board members... walking in with wireless PDA's having been told they can surf the web while they're here in the buildings.... that's always a treat accomodating them...
The only reason why people want them to switch is the hopeful idea that the prices for their machines will be cheaper then their current cost with the G4/G5 procesors.
But would it? Why would it be cheaper? Who's to say that Apple wouldn't use their own BIOS, so you can't use/make a hombrew clone, and that they wouldn't tack on their "Apple Surcharge" because this is apple h/w?
Now, the reason that Apple considers switching, IMHO, is two-fold:
1. the promise of expanded marketshare
2. they currently have OS X working on Intel already w/ limited driver (er extranous hardware) support.
Well, you'd be wrong.
Whether the 8th was going to be the day, or not, was debateable. Rumors are rumors.
But some of us have begged, pleaded, etc, our boss's to order us a new powerbook. For months. The OK was finally handed down. It was ordered about 7pm on the 7th.
So yes, now I will have to beg for another $130 expenditure for a new laptop that just came for it's OS. Do you think my boss will be happy that after shelling out nearly $3k, it'll cost another $130 for the upgrade less then a month later?
No, he won't. And considering that I'm a first-time 'switcher' and this purchase, in the company's eyes is a huge risk (we're basically MS/Linux shop) it would be far easier for me to not rock-the-boat if Apple atleast did a $0 cost to those within 30-days of purchase.
I really don't see that as too much to ask. For some of us, just obtaining the Mac is a huge battle. Let alone the idea that if I'd just bought it w/ $3k of my own cash, ouch.
Yes, my situation is probably in the minority, compared to most people's.
But damn, if Apple really wants increased marketshare, they need to open that daterange up a bit.
Oh you're cruel!
I'm hoping to find out his decision sometime today.
Out of curiosity, when did you order it? From apple?
I'm wondering what the timeframe is from ordering -> shipment.
Exactly. The apple-store guys were very reasonable about letting me play on their machines. The rest of the stores, the sales guys were breaking out in sweat, and wanted to show me how to move the mouse on a mac because it's different from a pc... heh, it was very hard to not laugh at the poor fellow.
What would you like them to have installed on them in the store?
Good question. Tough question. Truthfully, I don't know, since I'm not using a mac *yet*. (I should find out today if I'll be allowed to order a new powerbook).
For sure Photoshop, Office, bbedit, Xwindows and maybe the darwin/fink stuff, oh, and VirtualPC 6.1. Put more then 256MB of ram in the thing, more like a GB, minimum.
I've also not experienced the hovering of sales people you speak of
I meant at the CompUSA/Microcenters - not the apple store.
As far as the kid's section - that's a *great* idea, however, I didn't bring mine. I'd have to keep the eye on the back of my head still on them no matter if there's a kids section or not, so it's easier to visit the store alone.
its just safer there in the PC world is kinda sad
Sad? But true -- from a switcher's point. The apps run. I can dual boot into Windows x/y/z/ pro/server, Netware, Linux, BSD(s), etc etc. I know what runs, and I know what applications are available, and that they'll run on the selected OS.
I agree about the virii problem, but that's not what I was referring to. A good McAfee or Symantec antivirus will handle that fairly well on the Windows side of things.
As for the loaner idea, I think you're right. Tell Steve Jobs. If the car manufacturers can do it so can Apple.
Exactly! I think I will!
That's just it. How the hell can you "spend time with one"? The Apple stores don't have jack installed on them. Microcenter/CompUSA et all hold their breath and watch over your back when you try and tinker with one.
What Apple really needs to do, if they want people to switch, is create a loaner program. Goto an Apple store, give them your CC#, walk out with used_but_newest in their lineup. Use for the weekend. Take back. They wipe the drive, and repeat.
*That* would be cool, and that would really get more people to switch. Most people, that I've come across, doubt whether they *can* switch, so they stay in the PC world. It's just safer there.
Uhm, my boss putting his "OK to purchase" on my request to purchase a new G4 15" 1.25 powerbook :)
Is that what you want? If so, come out and help create the css-conversion of their stock theme.
Funny that you mention size. Slashdot had, a while back, a story that had a huge number of comments. It was rendering at over 1MB of information to transfer.
So we went and created a css-themed theme for
slashcode.
Here's the size differences:
stock:
shtml page: 410.3 kb
nested: 1.9mb
slashcss:
shtml page: 330030 bytes
nested view: 1008300 bytes
slashstrict:
shtml page: 252.6kb
nested: 983.8kb nested
That's quite a difference!! It's amazing what you can do with CSS.
That's *exactly* what I did - So I'm buildin a fileserver.
:)
As a matter of fact, one of the drives just died. I just installed the replacement from Western Digital yesterday.... love that raid5
We've been looking at purchasing a new vehicle for my wife since around xmas. (She lost her job soon after in Ohio's state budget cuts, so the idea has been shelved).
We were very seriously considering the Civic Hybrid. We even took it on a test drive for an hour or two. It was a nice vehicle. Very quiet... almost too quiet w/ the engine shutting off like that.
The only problems that we had with it:
1. Battery cost. Dealer said est'd range for replacement was $2k-$5k, and unknown how long they'd last.
2. Car purchase price
Compared to the regular civic's price, the overhead for purchasing the hybrid, given the normal civic's good performance numbers, even w/ the tax credit, wasn't justifyable w/ the battery concerns.
Now, if were doing OK and we had all her student loans paid off and the kids were out of the house, at this point I'd consider eating the few thousand dollars just to drive a car that's so environment/emmissions friendly.
But at this point in time, we can't do that.
Now that she's finally finding a job we're looking at purchasing a Hyndai Elantra (or Ford Focus) as soon as she starts (we're going test-driving this afternoon).
We sold her vehicle a few months ago for the cash, so now she'll need something to commute with.
tf23
(btw, thank you George Bush for screwing the economy so people here are losing their jobs but we're still sending billions, daily, to Iraq).
sorry, couldn't resist....
NeXTStep itself wasn't too expensive, it was the hardware that was overpriced.
Granted, even the hardware was before it's time. But schools had a hard time purchasing it. When they did, they loved the systems (atleast at Ohio State we did).
But it was so expensive, especially when someone would question the purchase against a PC or Mac at that time.
Once NeXTStep for Intel came out, that made things a little easier. But, by then, it was almost too late.
Last I recall this was discussed they said they had a beast of a quad-cpu mysql4 server as primary, with slaved replicators for read-only things.
They're using innodb tables more and more (see the slashcode), along with http://www.danga.com/memcached/
It doesn't help when most of the ISP's (especially RoadRunner in my area) constantly are, and have been, advertising "download all the music and multimedia you want very quickly".
To be honest, I think a lot of people think it's OK because that's one of the methods broadband's been sold for the last few years.
The only what I'd be OK with that is if they went with KDE.
While I respect that people don't like KDE, or like XX/YY better, I choose to use KDE. It'd be a pain in my ass if Redhat went with GNOME and didn't give me the choice out of the box to use KDE.