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PC Mag Gives Panther 5-Star Rating
Cycline3 writes "The subject says it all. PC Mag gave the big black cat a five-out-of-five star rating. I really like Panther, but I never would have imagined that this would happen. Pretty cool. PC users take note!"
The poster must not be a big reader of pc mag.
PC Mag has been giving good reviews to apple products for a long time. Here is a link to a review of 10.1 (4/5 stars).
I also don't understand the surprise. What would a PC user find wrong with a mac? It's similar enough to windows to be usuable. I don't use apples because I don't like the lack of 3rd party hardware and the more limited upgradability. There is nothing wrong with the OS.
-Ryan
AUWYHSTOT (Acronyms are Useless When You Have to Spell Them Out Too)
I think Expose alone is worth the $70 I paid for it.
I am seriously thinking that there is no better os invention than Expose. NONE - not even the stinking BSD kernel... expose makes my life complete. DONE. D O N E
Malcolm X would be so proud that Panther is doing so well.
For every annoying gentoo user, are three even more annoying anti-gentoo crybabies. Take Yosh from #Gimp for example.
5 stars despite many know problems/issues? Something smells fishy to me.
Journalistic integrity requires that you never give a product with know issues 5 stars.
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Wow! It's about time. How long have we been waiting for this!
I'm going to be really pissed if it doesn't run on my 233 MHz Pentium II though. And does it *really* need 128 megs of RAM? Can't I skate by on 64? And $129? It should be free to anyone who bought a computer in the past three years.
That's just my small percentage of an opinion.
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Really, how many operating systems have you used that didn't have known problems/issues?
As expected, the reviewer points out that Expose is really, really cool. More interestingly to me, he also points out that Preview is much improved as well. I used to think it sucked, but now I've made it my default PDF viewer.
The most exciting thing about Preview, though, is that it's easy to predict that its beautiful new "Find" function will make its way into things like Safari. Seriously, "Find" is so good that it has pretty much changed the way I rifle through the dozens of PDFs of journal articles I have on my disk. Like, I can actually find what I'm looking for. :-)
Babar
I've been using Panther for a little less than a week and it's been bliss. Seriously, neither Windows XP or any Linux distro I've ever tried can touch Panther in terms of usability. It's very slick and polished, and blows even Jaguar away with lots of refinements in networking, the aqua GUI, and expose, the feature most likelt to be copied my MS when longhorn comes out.
The complainers will be the loudest of the bunch, and yes there are a few kinks. But note the firewire problem was an issue with the hardware chipset, not apple's programming. Obviously people like me, the happy ones are not going to get the headlines.
Problems that causes users to lose their files because of disk security (FileVault)? Nothing comes to mind... :)
You don't know what you don't know.
I'm *really* hoping that they figure out a way to integrate Preview's PDF-rendering abilities into Safari, so that we can finally have a decent plugin to view PDF's inside the browser on OS X! (I know, there's a couple shareware plugins out there, but those never worked well enough for me.)
Minus two glaring faults that affect only certain users, Panther looks very good. And Apple will resolve the problems, albeit tardily. But the bottom line is: when you're costing people data loss, do you deserve a 100% rating.
As for my review... I can't imagine life without it... using Preview this past weekend must have saved me and my fiancee a few hours searching through loads of PDF annual reports. -Rob
I would be happy to use OS X on intel / AMD based hardware. In many ways I like it more than Windows XP.
What I don't like is the fact that Apple is the sole manufacturer of the hardware required to run the OS. Monopolies tend to create weird pricing and reduce innovation. It still seems to be a fact that Apple hardware price/performance ratio is poor compared to intel/amd-based hardware (but let's not go deeper into that dark alley again).
And I'm really hoping that if they do, they also offer a way to tell Safari not to render PDFs inside the browser - I went through some effort to keep the Acrobat Reader plugin from working on Windows, because, for many PDFs, if it's big enough for me to read, it's too big to fit in a browser window and show the entire page, given all the browser *and* Acrobat Reader toolbars.
Don't use XP or Win 2k?
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Maybe we've all got ourselves wrapped up in our jargon, but last I checked PC stood for Personal Computer, not "windows-based-personal-computer". Macintosh may be a different platform, but still is a personal computer. Just because we have a cult, doesnt make it something entirely different.
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However, something somewhat unrelated... I installed Panther on my mac at work on friday, and my co-worker approached me, and was watching the progress and he said "so when do you put in the serial #?" and i said "No serial #". And he looked at me funny, and said "How do they know you aren't giving copies to your friends?" So the only response I could get out was "i guess when the users of a product don't hate the company that makes it, the honor system works."
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If they gave Windows ME 4 and a half stars, then this is the minimum they could give to Panther.
If they gave Windows 2000 Professional 1 star, then 5 for Panther is a an absurdly high rating.
If their ratings are based on this being $129 for an upgrade from 10.$lastversion it's a quite high rating.
If their ratings are based on this being $129 for an upgrade from 9.2.2 it's reasonable.
On it's own, it's fairly meaningless.
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> Logitech and Orange Micro are the only ones that support theirs on the Mac
Oh, and Apple. Dumbass.
Wow! I take my words back. Seems that Mac is not the only bad apple in the tree afterall :)
You don't know what you don't know.
But after that, things went smooth. My iBook feels like reborn again !
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Stop reading the damn rumor sites. There has not yet been a SINGLE documented case of data loss due to FileVault. What there HAVE been are countless hundreds of reported cases of people resetting their machines in the middle of enabling FileVault "because it was taking too long."
The conclusion? People are DUMBASSES who should NOT REPEAT NOT be allowed near heavy machinery.
I hate the whole "open in browser window" thing. I would much rather have the browser download the file and pass it off to another application with its own GUI.
Napster-to-go says "Fill and refill your compatible MP3 player", which is a lie. It's not MP3. It's WMA with DRM.
It's obviously moved away from "personal computer". I just generally assume an Intel compatable computer running Microsoft Windows (some might argue that linux runs on a PC... more confusing).
Why are we letting "personal computer" become synonymous with Windows? That's certainly not good for competitors. Why does Apple say the iPod is available for Mac and PC when they really mean Mac, Windows, and anything else you can hack to work with it.
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So what happens if I have a power failure?
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oh yeah, and it's vendor. And let's.
Vender is a variation of vendor. Anyway, thanks for pointing out that I make mundane typos when I haven't slept.
Oh yeah, why not capitalize your sentences?
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FileVault is only for laptops, dumbass. You know, computers with BATTERIES built into them?
Why would you think that? That's just downright stupid.
What are you, An Idiot? If the power goes out you computer turns off, and like any other computer, if it is actively writing to the disk they may dammage/destroy data... -- Duh
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I'm sorry but your experiance is not normal. I'm using Panther on my G5 and I see my Whole LAN. The windows PCs and the Macs. I'm not sure why it is not working for you...
MacOSX, because making *NIX better is a lot better than waiting for Micro$loth to fix Windows
That's what a UPS is for.
-sam
I was just here, where did I go?
Why would I think that? Because I READ THE FUCKING DOCUMENTATION, apparently something that you and about a zillion other mouth-breathers couldn't be bothered with.
JESUS!
I disagree. The find function is nice, but from the most exciting thing about Preview is that it now knows about bookmarks in PDFs, making it very easy to navigate large PDFs quickly. I write a lot using LaTeX (TeXShop is a very nice app for this, by the way) , and regularly deal with documents in the tens or hundreds of pages range. Being able to jump to a specific section quickly makes my life a lot easier. I've always been able to do this with Acrobat Reader, but now I can do so from preview.
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I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Mac fanatics? I have recently upgraded from a Mac 8600/300 w/64 Megs of RAM to a new G5 dual 2GHz with AGP 8X and PCI-X to help me at my freelance gig where I copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. On the G5 I spent about 20 minutes trying to install Adobe Arcobat 6. 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this Mac, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.
In addition, during this file transfer, my iPod will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even Safari is straining to keep up as I type this.
I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Macs, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Mac that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the Macs' faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8MB of ram running MS Windows for Workgroups 3.11 is faster than this G5 dual 2GHz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the Macintosh is a superior machine.
Mac addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Mac over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.
An OS X PDF renderer in Safari would be better than the Acrobat plug-in. Cocoa uses PDF natively, in NSPDFImageReps. You can render PDF as easily as you can render JPEG (ie: very easily).
Not that this would interpret the PDF streams inside the document; that would be less trivial.
Should have bought a UPS then ;). Seriously Apple are marketing filevault as a means of securing data on laptops and not hiding your mp3/divx/pr0n/Al Qaeda Plots collection from the feds.
Laptops are more vulnerable to casual theft and may well have confidential data on them - MI5 had a rash of stolen laptops a year or so ago - so encryption there makes a lot of sense. Of course a laptop with a fully charged battery has it's own UPS which is nice.
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Cnet gave Panther something like a 6 out of 10, ZDnet gave it 5/5 stars. The only thing surprising to me about either of these reviews is that I though ZDnet and Cnet had pretty much merged. It seems like half the time they have the same stories, word for word. Example: ZDnet and Cnet.
I've seen this with reviews and news stories, and pretty much anything. I didn't think they were allowed to disagree anymore. Anyone know what the story is?
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Control-C (or was Control-Y?) always worked!!!
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That is one of my favorite features. Apple is one of the few companies I don't mind giving my money too. I always come away feeling like I got the better deal. I don't know how many Windows users can say the same thing. Expose is worth every penny.
Remember, you only enable Filevault once.
And if you have to encrypt xxGB of data, that'll take time.
So the problem is not something that can turn up any time there's a powerfailure, but only when you're in the middle of "enabling" filevault.
(and as was pointed out rather tactfully by others, it is primarily designed for laptops with batteries)
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When you shout, you do get loud, but it doesn't augment the quality of the argument.
Please take note. It is a very handy feature for laptop owners, but it's not ONLY for laptops. The Fucking Documentation doesn't say that at all.
There are a LOT of instances where you'd want to use Filevault on a desktop.
I think, therefore I am...I think.
(posts on file corruption if power lost when FileVault running)
Big Deal. Here is an example of what Win2k does. I've repeated this bug. Open a couple apps, like Word or Powerpoint or something. Open up a few documents in those apps and edit them. Don't hit "Save." Go to ctrl-alt-delete and select Shut Down. The OS sends a quit command to the apps, and the apps throw up the "Save Changes?" dialog window. The problem is: the OS doesn't wait for the apps to quit. If I don't get to the "Save" buttons fast enough, the old "This application isnot responding" window shows up. It's difficult if not impossible at this point to save all edited docs before the OS shuts down or kills the application process prematurely. This is bad; Every MacOS since 6 properly waits for all apps to quit before continuing the shutdown process.
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uncheck the items you don't want registered plugins to handle. I love this browser!
I agree. However the down side of doing this is I end up with a folder full of PDFs with cryptic names, most of which I'll never look at again. I just wish the file didn't get saved unless I told the viewing app to save it.
I have long hated Macs but as of yesterday, I now own a 15" alum Powerbook.
I absolutely love this thing and while I still am an admin on a Windows network here at work, I think I am done with Windows on my own.
I have increasing problems with Windows and having increasingly fewer reasons to hate Macs.
As of OS X 10.3 and Xcode, I now have very few reasons to dislike it.
The only few gripes that I have right now are:
1) The aluminum keyboard feels like dragging my nails on a chalkboard if my nails (esp thumb) hit the hey instead of flesh.
2) The integrated Google search doesn't have buttons that let me search directly to images and/or discussions, and when the search comes up, there aren't buttons of the words that I just searched for allowing me to search within that document.
3) Many web pages totally break using Safari - I am going to debug one page that I use all of the time and send the fixes (JavaScript) to the person that maintains it since it is sommething I use daily when analyzing stock charts (well, nightly).
4) The resolution on this laptop isn't so great - but the screen does look fantastic.
5) I'm not sure that my backlit keyboard works. It is turned on and no matter what changes I make via F9/F10, I still see no backlighting. Not a huge deal, but still a gripe.
6) I have yet to figure out where the graphical FTP client is - so far I am largely just treating this like a Linux laptop and using a lot lof command line stuff.
7) I wish Komodo 2.5 was ported to Mac OS X 10.3 - I really like the way that it deals with Perl.
8) The trackpad is not responsive - it is almost like accelaration is turned on, but I didn't see anything that would indicate that in any mouse menu.
9) The single mouse button works if you press in the center, but not if you get it off to one side - which is usually where my thumb is (perhaps out of habit).
10) I'm still getting used to the kepay layout for shortcuts - fortunately my misstrokes have yet to do anyuthing harmful.
11) The spell checking thing doesn't let you bring up a quick selection of the word/words that it suggests - innstead you have to open the full spell window and then it wants to continue on - I miss the ability in Windows to right click and the first few words on that menu were the suggested words and you could just choose one and move on.
12) The iChat thing isn't as configurable as I had hoped. I hear there is another thing out there, I will test it out in a bit.
But the things I LOVE are:
1) Its weight - this thing is so light and thin. The battery is tiny and WOW 4+ hours on a charge.
2) The wireless is fast and VERY easy to setup (no real setup, just turn it on).
4) Mail app - this thing is great. Nice looking and all the features I want. I love it.
5) Snappy! Everything is quick on it.
6) Feels very stable.
7) FreeBSD command line - nuff said there.
8) Xcode is cool.
There is a ton that I have yet to figure out yet, but I really like it so far.
I am going to try to get OpenOffice on here and Xemacs and then I think I should be all set after I try to bring over my documents from my pc laptop.
I am also going to benchmark this laptop against my other one and my stateside server to see how it performs - initially will just be running Perl scripts that I use a lot.
My previous laptop was an Athlon 4 (the mobile chip) 1G, and the server is an Athlon XP 2200+.
The laptop gets warmer than I had hoped - just to the edge of comfort, if not just over - but it doesn't melt any part of it like my pc laptop is doing now (its heatsink fan is broken - hence why I got a new laptop, will then take my time to fix that one).
Anyway - I love it - any suggestions from old pro Mac users would be highly welcome as I look for cool new things for my new shiny toy.
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In some ways, yes. At least for me, however, it'd be worse than just showing the document in Preview - and, in the area about which I complained, namely the space taken up by the browser and PDF view toolbars not being available to show me the page I'm viewing, no better than the Acrobat plugin. (Yes, I know Cocoa uses PDF natively. That's presumably how Preview displays it.)
You're obviously some kind of pathetic geek. :-) More seriously, that *is* very nice, but I should point out that some of the TeX documents I tried playing with turned out to be unsearchable by Safari; is this possibly caused by the fact that they were created in an odd fashion (didn't use pdflatex or something?). Is there something special you should do with your LaTeX to make sure it "plays nice" with more advanced PDF readers?
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It is as if it were designed for the newest AlPBs. No drivers even...just set it up in 'sys prefs' and assign the 3,4 and 5 buttons to expose...really sweet.
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What's so surprising? That a magazine has journalistic integrity and actually gives an honest opinion (with disregard to what side of their bread is buttered on) OR that Jaguar has become so Windows-like that it now satisfies those users who are most happy with Windows? The latter doesn't bode well for Apple.
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I just wish the file didn't get saved unless I told the viewing app to save it.
.PDF opens in Acrobat, for good viewing, but "save" is disabled.
I actually have more trouble with the opposite scenario: the
So, either I have to
1) remember to "save target to disk" instead of just clicking
2) root through my cache (where the f*ck is it kept, again?) for a cryptically named file.
3) go back and do number (1) because I forgot, causing a second, equally long, completely redundant download.
I really love the originality in posting an insane rant, and then replying to your own insane rant with another one, both of which spout meaningless bullshit and blatant lies. good work
You probably don't hate it as much as you say you do. Do you want your browser to display plain text externally? How about gzipped HTML files? I'm guessing you'd want these displayed by the browser.
I think what is more important is how well the interaction model for the particular document type fits with the browser's. PDFs are jarring because "Back" and "Forward" doesn't work as expected in them. However, if properly integrated you may not mind it as much.
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No, it's easy. Either hit Cancel on that dialog (and any others), return to your applications and save or switch to your application while the dialog is open and use the save dialog - the application should close once the save dialog is dismissed.
If Windows is killing applications waiting to save without your intervention, then you've changed the default behaviour.
Yeah, I read all about Expose and stuff, but it wasn't until tonight that I actually started using it (bought Panther the Monday after it was released). Talk about an eye-opener. I thought it was over-hyped, but I have to tell you, it's cool. This, plus the other interface enhancements seem well thought out and actually make it easier to use. The new Finder windows are a bit confusing at first (even more Nextish, if you can believe that), but ultimately, it's better. Good for Apple to continue to break with the past, provided the new way is actually the better way.
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Panther rocks! Can't wait to get a G5 though
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Probably...
Is there something special you should do with your LaTeX to make sure it "plays nice" with more advanced PDF readers?
If your problem is with plain text searches, then make sure you have ligatures (where pairs of letters like fl are run together in a single character) turned off. If you are just not getting the table of contents in the bookmarks window, then the most likely cause is that you haven't used the hyperref package, which creates these automatically.
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I HATE the Acrobat Reader plugin. It is painfully slow for Mozilla, and the Stop button doesn't work. Many is the time I have mistakenly clicked on a pdf link and wasted minutes waiting for the damn thing to render.
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RTFJ.
>>If I don't get to the "Save" buttons fast enough, the old "This application isnot responding" window shows up. It's difficult if not impossible at this point to save all edited docs before the OS shuts down or kills the application process prematurely.
>No, it's easy. Either hit Cancel on that dialog (and any others), return to your applications and save or switch to your application while the dialog is open and use the save dialog - the application should close once the save dialog is dismissed.
You're missing the whole point: the user shouldn't have to play that sort of game. The OS should have the "smarts" to make sure apps are done before deciding to force-quit them (which will happen if the user in this scenario doesn't stop the shutdown process).
As to the default behavior: I haven't changed a thing, and don't even have admin privs.
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No, it won't. I've left systems sitting with that "This application is not responding" dialog for _days_ without anything being killed. You are complaining about non-standard behaviour.
The OS has the "smarts" - that's the whole point of the dialog box.
As to the default behavior: I haven't changed a thing, and don't even have admin privs.
Well, someone has. Windows doesn't start killing non-responding applications automatically by default.
The reason that is a potential incompatibility is that Motorola-based systems traditionally use big endian addressing, and x86-based hardware uses little-endian addressing.
I'm not a hardware wiz, but Interestingly Apple's Developer Docs suggest that PCI-Based PowerMacs can deal with both on the PCI bus (mixed endian support), but apparently some manufacturersstill seem to have trouble with this