McBride: What if SCO is right? We're not trying to destroy the Linux industry. They say we're attacking Linux, but IBM brought this on. We are in defense mode. We've been attacked. To the open-source community, I ask them how they feel that IBM knew about these contracts and did what they did anyway. You have to shift the responsibility back to IBM and ask them why they're ruining [the open-source community's] party.
Can be quoted as:...SCO is right... We're... trying to destroy the Linux industry... we're attacking Linux... We've... attacked. - Darl McBride, president and CEO of The SCO Group
Yeah, that's why quicktime on windows is such a wonderful, well thought out application... oh wait, no it's not.. it's a steaming pile of shit.
Well if you think about it, that's probably why they didn't pick win32 developers out from the Quicktime on windows team to work on iTunes for windows, and instead chose to hire someone competent from outside of Apple..
Bzzzt, wrong. He's a retired Mechanical Engineer with very little Unix exposure. The bulk of his computing experience was converting a few routine flow calculations to BASIC to run under DOS. He took a Numercial Methods class in the 80's when PCs became affordable. They taught him FORTRAN, but he wrote and debugged all the code in BASIC at home then converted it to FORTRAN on a terminal. He also did a little C work, very little. His use of PCs has been continuous, however, and the other OS on the box I fixed up is windoze 98SE.
All I hear is "blah blah blah" from you, but you have yet to prove how an old geek (with a programming background no less - thanks for clearing that up!) converting to linux is supposed to be a representative shift in linux being ready for the masses.
Let's see the headline - Local geek that had the patience to write and debug BASIC code and convert them to FORTRAN switches to Linux. Well no shit sherlock - fucking around with shell scripts must've been like nirvana for him.
Linux isn't ready because there are too many rough edges that are yet to be polished, and the majority has no patience to hand tweak files in/etc.
"Hey, how come I can't get this MIDI file my friend sent me to play??" What are you going to do, throw a hardcopy of all the linux HOWTOs at them? Your 70-year old engineer friend might moan a bit before picking up the stack of notes and read it, but most people simply COULD NOT CARE LESS.
For most people, "fun" is not spending a friday night tweaking our shell scripts and environment variables. "Fun" is whatever we REALLY want to get done - edit a video, watch a DVD, listen to music, e-mail a friend with some pictures. Broken and unpolished work makes an environment unattractive, because there's a lot of "work" to be done before we can get to the "fun".
Yeah, M$ and their shills should be scared. Linux on the desktop works for all sorts of people.
What's M$?
Oh I see. You're using the dollar sign as an "S", because you're trying to make fun of Microsoft, and that $ in their name is supposed to mock them for trying to make money.
Actually, no I'm not talking about getting BitTorrent from a distribution site, I'm talking about links to.torrent files for less legitimate media files. So unmod me, I'd prefer to be -1 (Obscurity) than +1 (don't take him seriously).
wow, at least the other people complaining were worried about their legal mp3's being deleted, and had more of a moral leg to stand on. You, on the other hand:
"oh waaaahhh!!! those bastards ruined my BT download for the LotR:TTT DVD Screener divx rip! boo hoo!"
besides, your comment shows you have no idea how bored script kiddies are. IRC networks and BT trackers get attacks all the time, because 1) either some script kiddie got pissed off at the network, or 2) they want to making an large impact on inconveniencing a large group of users just like them. same thing with IRC channel takeovers and bot floods.
Simply haveing access to copyrighted material does not prove intent to transfer it to non legit holders.
what a bunch of crock.
Why even bother with all setting up Hotline. I can achieve the same legal ambiguity as you described (or should I say lack of) by sharing all my legally owned mp3s onto Kazaa.
And you're going to try to convince the judge that just because you share the files, the leeches that download it is at fault, and you're not at fault?
Riiiight. I hope you set up your little experiment soon. Take this little tip though - just because they fuck you in the ass in jail, doesn't mean they actually love you...
I set up a 70 year old retired engineer with Linux and he likes it better than Windows. Free software is more than ready for the desktop.
hahahaha you gotta be kidding. I can't detect the sarcasm, so I'll assume your claim is genuine.
the older the engineer is, the more likely he's been exposed to UNIX when he was young and working, and the more reluctant he would be willing to learn something new. Windows has only been popular for around 13 years (starting with 3.0 release in 1990)
So you're telling me a 70-year old engineer prefers a unix OS more than windows, which he started learning at the earliest of age 57? [sarcasm] That is surprisely brand new insightful information that I did not expect!!! [/sarcasm]
What's truly scary is that you're using that fact as the basis for your argument that free software is more than ready for the desktop. Muahahaha.
Next you're going to tell me that the songs from the 50's are coming back big time, all because the 70 year old engineer prefers those songs to Dave Matthews and Eminem.
What if you could only get a DVD player from ONE manufacturer and it only connected to ONE brand of TV. And you didn't like the TV.
Then it would considerably suck more than iTunes, which allows me to burn my Fleetwood Mac Greatest Hits onto a CDR, which I can play on pretty much any CD player in this world.
I think you are the one who is lacking in proof that making directory names verbose will improve userfriendliness to the point that it makes sense to break backwards compatability, POSIX complience, ease of pipelining and seperate partitions, and a certain consistency accross Unixes.
Lacking in proof? RTFP again - I pointed out EXACTLY how less painful it would've been for a first-time Unix user like me to transition if the directory structure was a little more descriptive.
OS X did the right thing - I've never used a Mac for more than 15 minutes before, and during my first few hours with my 12" Powerbook G4, I was able to figure out where everything is.
And a certain consistency accross Unixes? Have you even used Solaris? Or more than one Linux distro? Current Linux distributions already suffer from having different directory structures. With new kernel builds, glibc builds, gcc builds, developers already have to modify and recompile their codebase all the time. [sarcasm]You mean... you mean... you mean that I have to modify the Makefile for this new directory structure? oh the humanity![/sarcasm]
And don't get me started on "POSIX complience, ease of pipelining and seperate partitions" - it's pretty clear you're just throwing those words out, since renaming the directory structure won't effect any of those issues.
And did you even read the original post? * Full Coexistence with Legacy FHS
* The autoconf family of tools will be patched to support the new hierarchy which will make most applications translate easily.
* FHS can be emulated via symlinks and MHS can be emulated on existing FHS systems. A kernel/file system hack of some kind may be done to have the legacy directories disappear in directory scans, to help improve user friendliness.
* In addition to the standard, the project is developing a set of scripts that will setup the new hierarchy on existing FHS compatible systems.
In fact, I probably wouldn't even have to touch the Makefile to port an application over. What exactly was your point again?
Your problem (besides the fact that you don't really know what you're taking about) is that you assume there are only two pigeonholes - the dumb users who only want hotmail to work, and an elite tech support upperclass like yourself who thinks keeping things obscured would help preserve your superiority over the other class of users. Quite sad really..
Making directory names longer, fewer, and with more capitals isn't going to help. The type of user that has problems with using directories and the command line has problems using *any* directories, no matter what user friendly name they are named, at least that's been my experience with supporting users running Windows 9x.
Yes it would. You're assuming that there are only two groups of users - Unix power users, and users that don't care. Every Unix power user started (at some point) as a beginner, and for the sake of everyone that wants to learn Unix in the future, why should we keep this arcane and obscure directory structure?
When I installed RedHat 5.2 on my computer five years ago, and everything broke, as a first time linux user I ended going through about 50 HOWTOs, and lot of guessing on what kind of files each directory stores. If the directory structure was actually more intuitively named, I probably would've fixed the installation in only 25% of the time it originally took.
Microsoft is junking the normal file system for their upcoming OS and have a database that loads files based on each application because of this. Personally I think this is a good idea for their users; but it's one that we don't need to copy...
I'm digress a bit here, but Microsoft is making a really smart move. They basically realize that a computer is eventually revolving around CONTENT. Documents, music, movies, pictures mostly. A database-centric model for the content makes the most sense, because you can store a lot more meta data about each file. A search for "my friend John" on "every possible media" might turn up a joint research project you guys wrote in college, an album mix that John sent you, and pictures from that winter vacation two years ago that John also attended. Now THAT is cool.
One of the things I like about Unix is that it helps power users and programmers get done what they need to get done, simply making everything more verbose and harder to type won't be of help to anyone, expert or novice, IMHO, anymore than COBOL is more friendly to programmers than C.
right.... god forbid/usr/bin be renamed as/System/Executables. Can you possible IMAGINE how much productivity would be lost in typing those extra letters?
while you're at it, why not rename/usr to/u,/home to/h,/tmp to/t, and so on... I mean, it would probably save power users and programmers thousands of man hours. A truly dedicated power user would spend those same thousands of man hours learning what each alphabet means anyways... [/sarcasm]
Unfortunately, they've chose AAC as the "music format of the future" - an unfinalized format with no tagging standard and no good gapless playback support...
I believe AAC's specs has been finalized a while ago, in MPEG2.
The way people want it? Like how everyone in your house with a computer has to buy their own copy of a song/album if your computer isn't on/connected/available?
Which part of "unlimited CD burning for personal use" requires the computer to be on/connected/available when you want to listen to the song?
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Don't mod someone up just because he claims to know what's going on.
Say goodbye to dialing numbers in the dark with that fscking pad... then when you finally get used to it and go and try to use your housephone it will take you roughly 4 minutes to dial 10 digits.
Right.... Because back then everyone was SO confused when we switched from rotary phones to ones with keypads.
haha sure, deny everything (and not backing it up), and throw in more insults to change the subject. Typical irrational flamebait. You spreaded the myth, just admit it so you can stop looking like a sore loser.
Kid, I know Psychology 101 is fascinating and all, but just because you learned it in class yesterday, it doesn't mean you can look smart when you use it the next day. Mmmkay?
You might have made a good point, but I refused to read further after you presented yourself as one of those idiots that propagate the "Al Gore invented the internet" myth.
Why would the opinion be respectable if it's coming from a person that is gullible enough to believe folklore rumors, not verify them, and propagate them in an effort to be funny?
Authorities verify each cell phone number in the ads first. If you were the victim of a fake posting and you never had any intent to sell things in the first place, a cop asking you how he can buy fake identification would go nowhere.
Vint Cerf had this to say (from http://www.politechbot.com/p-01394.html)
"Last year the Vice President made a straightforward statement on his role. He said: "During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the Internet." We don't think, as some people have argued, that Gore intended to claim he "invented" the Internet. Moreover, there is no question in our minds that while serving as Senator, Gore's initiatives had a significant and beneficial effect on the still-evolving Internet."
Obviously you're arrogant to believe you know more about the internet than Vint Cerf does.
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...SCO is right ... We're ... trying to destroy the Linux industry ... we're attacking Linux ... We've ... attacked. - Darl McBride, president and CEO of The SCO Group
http://www.crn.com/sections/BreakingNews/dailyarc
McBride: What if SCO is right? We're not trying to destroy the Linux industry. They say we're attacking Linux, but IBM brought this on. We are in defense mode. We've been attacked. To the open-source community, I ask them how they feel that IBM knew about these contracts and did what they did anyway. You have to shift the responsibility back to IBM and ask them why they're ruining [the open-source community's] party.
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When was the last time Blizzard actually hit a ship date they initially promised?
Unless they promise "when it's done - but definitely before Duke Nukem Forever".
THEN I'll believe it.
Did anyone watch this clip of the new prototype GUI?
This is it. This is what e-mail viruses are going to look like in four years.
Well, all the testing I've seen says AAC sounds worse then MP3, not better. Not that apple zelots would notice..
Actually all the testing I've seen says AAC sounds much better than MP3.
I guess that makes us even, and I'm rubber and you're glue eh?
Yeah, that's why quicktime on windows is such a wonderful, well thought out application... oh wait, no it's not.. it's a steaming pile of shit.
Well if you think about it, that's probably why they didn't pick win32 developers out from the Quicktime on windows team to work on iTunes for windows, and instead chose to hire someone competent from outside of Apple..
You do realize that at one time there were engineers who did not work on computers or have anything to do with computers, right?
Apparently that mech engineer did have experience in BASIC and FORTRAN.
Bzzzt, wrong. He's a retired Mechanical Engineer with very little Unix exposure. The bulk of his computing experience was converting a few routine flow calculations to BASIC to run under DOS. He took a Numercial Methods class in the 80's when PCs became affordable. They taught him FORTRAN, but he wrote and debugged all the code in BASIC at home then converted it to FORTRAN on a terminal. He also did a little C work, very little. His use of PCs has been continuous, however, and the other OS on the box I fixed up is windoze 98SE.
/etc.
All I hear is "blah blah blah" from you, but you have yet to prove how an old geek (with a programming background no less - thanks for clearing that up!) converting to linux is supposed to be a representative shift in linux being ready for the masses.
Let's see the headline - Local geek that had the patience to write and debug BASIC code and convert them to FORTRAN switches to Linux. Well no shit sherlock - fucking around with shell scripts must've been like nirvana for him.
Linux isn't ready because there are too many rough edges that are yet to be polished, and the majority has no patience to hand tweak files in
"Hey, how come I can't get this MIDI file my friend sent me to play??" What are you going to do, throw a hardcopy of all the linux HOWTOs at them? Your 70-year old engineer friend might moan a bit before picking up the stack of notes and read it, but most people simply COULD NOT CARE LESS.
For most people, "fun" is not spending a friday night tweaking our shell scripts and environment variables. "Fun" is whatever we REALLY want to get done - edit a video, watch a DVD, listen to music, e-mail a friend with some pictures. Broken and unpolished work makes an environment unattractive, because there's a lot of "work" to be done before we can get to the "fun".
Yeah, M$ and their shills should be scared. Linux on the desktop works for all sorts of people.
What's M$?
Oh I see. You're using the dollar sign as an "S", because you're trying to make fun of Microsoft, and that $ in their name is supposed to mock them for trying to make money.
ha ha, you're so witty.
Actually, no I'm not talking about getting BitTorrent from a distribution site, I'm talking about links to .torrent files for less legitimate media files. So unmod me, I'd prefer to be -1 (Obscurity) than +1 (don't take him seriously).
wow, at least the other people complaining were worried about their legal mp3's being deleted, and had more of a moral leg to stand on. You, on the other hand:
"oh waaaahhh!!! those bastards ruined my BT download for the LotR:TTT DVD Screener divx rip! boo hoo!"
besides, your comment shows you have no idea how bored script kiddies are. IRC networks and BT trackers get attacks all the time, because 1) either some script kiddie got pissed off at the network, or 2) they want to making an large impact on inconveniencing a large group of users just like them. same thing with IRC channel takeovers and bot floods.
Simply haveing access to copyrighted material does not prove intent to transfer it to non legit holders.
what a bunch of crock.
Why even bother with all setting up Hotline. I can achieve the same legal ambiguity as you described (or should I say lack of) by sharing all my legally owned mp3s onto Kazaa.
And you're going to try to convince the judge that just because you share the files, the leeches that download it is at fault, and you're not at fault?
Riiiight. I hope you set up your little experiment soon. Take this little tip though - just because they fuck you in the ass in jail, doesn't mean they actually love you...
I set up a 70 year old retired engineer with Linux and he likes it better than Windows. Free software is more than ready for the desktop.
hahahaha you gotta be kidding. I can't detect the sarcasm, so I'll assume your claim is genuine.
the older the engineer is, the more likely he's been exposed to UNIX when he was young and working, and the more reluctant he would be willing to learn something new. Windows has only been popular for around 13 years (starting with 3.0 release in 1990)
So you're telling me a 70-year old engineer prefers a unix OS more than windows, which he started learning at the earliest of age 57? [sarcasm] That is surprisely brand new insightful information that I did not expect!!! [/sarcasm]
What's truly scary is that you're using that fact as the basis for your argument that free software is more than ready for the desktop. Muahahaha.
Next you're going to tell me that the songs from the 50's are coming back big time, all because the 70 year old engineer prefers those songs to Dave Matthews and Eminem.
What if you could only get a DVD player from ONE manufacturer and it only connected to ONE brand of TV. And you didn't like the TV.
Then it would considerably suck more than iTunes, which allows me to burn my Fleetwood Mac Greatest Hits onto a CDR, which I can play on pretty much any CD player in this world.
Your point was?
do DVDs work with my BetaMax player?
it doesn't? fuck that, I'm not going to switch.
I'll pay $1 a song when it's a 320kbs MP3 with NO DRM or restrictions. Until then I'll either use Kazaa or just buy the CD.
Because Kazaa is known to be a haven for quality songs at 320kbps?
No self-respecting audiophile who's unsatisfied with 128kbps AAC would admit to regularly downloading songs from Kazaa.
5 bucks your Kazaa-leechin' ass can't even tell a difference between a 192kbps VBR MP3 file and the original raw file in a double blind test...
I think you are the one who is lacking in proof that making directory names verbose will improve userfriendliness to the point that it makes sense to break backwards compatability, POSIX complience, ease of pipelining and seperate partitions, and a certain consistency accross Unixes.
Lacking in proof? RTFP again - I pointed out EXACTLY how less painful it would've been for a first-time Unix user like me to transition if the directory structure was a little more descriptive.
OS X did the right thing - I've never used a Mac for more than 15 minutes before, and during my first few hours with my 12" Powerbook G4, I was able to figure out where everything is.
And backwards compatibility my ass - where were you with your protest march when Red Hat shipped a version of gcc that broke binary compatibility?
And a certain consistency accross Unixes? Have you even used Solaris? Or more than one Linux distro? Current Linux distributions already suffer from having different directory structures. With new kernel builds, glibc builds, gcc builds, developers already have to modify and recompile their codebase all the time. [sarcasm]You mean... you mean... you mean that I have to modify the Makefile for this new directory structure? oh the humanity![/sarcasm]
And don't get me started on "POSIX complience, ease of pipelining and seperate partitions" - it's pretty clear you're just throwing those words out, since renaming the directory structure won't effect any of those issues.
And did you even read the original post?
* Full Coexistence with Legacy FHS
* The autoconf family of tools will be patched to support the new hierarchy which will make most applications translate easily.
* FHS can be emulated via symlinks and MHS can be emulated on existing FHS systems. A kernel/file system hack of some kind may be done to have the legacy directories disappear in directory scans, to help improve user friendliness.
* In addition to the standard, the project is developing a set of scripts that will setup the new hierarchy on existing FHS compatible systems.
In fact, I probably wouldn't even have to touch the Makefile to port an application over. What exactly was your point again?
Your problem (besides the fact that you don't really know what you're taking about) is that you assume there are only two pigeonholes - the dumb users who only want hotmail to work, and an elite tech support upperclass like yourself who thinks keeping things obscured would help preserve your superiority over the other class of users. Quite sad really..
I think you're the one on crack :-)
/usr/bin be renamed as /System/Executables. Can you possible IMAGINE how much productivity would be lost in typing those extra letters?
/usr to /u, /home to /h, /tmp to /t, and so on... I mean, it would probably save power users and programmers thousands of man hours. A truly dedicated power user would spend those same thousands of man hours learning what each alphabet means anyways... [/sarcasm]
Making directory names longer, fewer, and with more capitals isn't going to help. The type of user that has problems with using directories and the command line has problems using *any* directories, no matter what user friendly name they are named, at least that's been my experience with supporting users running Windows 9x.
Yes it would. You're assuming that there are only two groups of users - Unix power users, and users that don't care. Every Unix power user started (at some point) as a beginner, and for the sake of everyone that wants to learn Unix in the future, why should we keep this arcane and obscure directory structure?
When I installed RedHat 5.2 on my computer five years ago, and everything broke, as a first time linux user I ended going through about 50 HOWTOs, and lot of guessing on what kind of files each directory stores. If the directory structure was actually more intuitively named, I probably would've fixed the installation in only 25% of the time it originally took.
Microsoft is junking the normal file system for their upcoming OS and have a database that loads files based on each application because of this. Personally I think this is a good idea for their users; but it's one that we don't need to copy...
I'm digress a bit here, but Microsoft is making a really smart move. They basically realize that a computer is eventually revolving around CONTENT. Documents, music, movies, pictures mostly. A database-centric model for the content makes the most sense, because you can store a lot more meta data about each file. A search for "my friend John" on "every possible media" might turn up a joint research project you guys wrote in college, an album mix that John sent you, and pictures from that winter vacation two years ago that John also attended. Now THAT is cool.
One of the things I like about Unix is that it helps power users and programmers get done what they need to get done, simply making everything more verbose and harder to type won't be of help to anyone, expert or novice, IMHO, anymore than COBOL is more friendly to programmers than C.
right.... god forbid
while you're at it, why not rename
Unfortunately, they've chose AAC as the "music format of the future" - an unfinalized format with no tagging standard and no good gapless playback support...
I believe AAC's specs has been finalized a while ago, in MPEG2.
The way people want it? Like how everyone in your house with a computer has to buy their own copy of a song/album if your computer isn't on/connected/available?
Which part of "unlimited CD burning for personal use" requires the computer to be on/connected/available when you want to listen to the song?
Don't mod someone up just because he claims to know what's going on.
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See for yourself - http://web.mit.edu/bin/cgicso?query=stanley+blizt
Say goodbye to dialing numbers in the dark with that fscking pad... then when you finally get used to it and go and try to use your housephone it will take you roughly 4 minutes to dial 10 digits.
Right.... Because back then everyone was SO confused when we switched from rotary phones to ones with keypads.
haha sure, deny everything (and not backing it up), and throw in more insults to change the subject. Typical irrational flamebait. You spreaded the myth, just admit it so you can stop looking like a sore loser.
Kid, I know Psychology 101 is fascinating and all, but just because you learned it in class yesterday, it doesn't mean you can look smart when you use it the next day. Mmmkay?
You might have made a good point, but I refused to read further after you presented yourself as one of those idiots that propagate the "Al Gore invented the internet" myth.
Why would the opinion be respectable if it's coming from a person that is gullible enough to believe folklore rumors, not verify them, and propagate them in an effort to be funny?
RTFA!
Authorities verify each cell phone number in the ads first. If you were the victim of a fake posting and you never had any intent to sell things in the first place, a cop asking you how he can buy fake identification would go nowhere.
Vint Cerf had this to say (from http://www.politechbot.com/p-01394.html)
"Last year the Vice President made a straightforward statement on his role. He said: "During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the Internet." We don't think, as some people have argued, that Gore intended to claim he "invented" the Internet. Moreover, there is no question in our minds that while serving as Senator, Gore's initiatives had a significant and beneficial effect on the still-evolving Internet."
Obviously you're arrogant to believe you know more about the internet than Vint Cerf does.
You make fun of welfare recipients yet you can't spell "its."
And according to the laws in the planet you're from, you can't make fun of welfare recipients if your grammar is not perfect?
I thought the snow storm only covered east coast.. Is it snowing in hell as well?