Isn't that partly the reason why everyone left altavista? Google did a better job and with less advertising. Everyone likes free beer.. especially when it's really good. And if there's a better free beer, then we'd go to that.
Google, amazon.com and pets.com, do something VERY well. Google does searching, amazon.com and pets.com sold pet stuff. One out of the two sales sites survived. Google doesn't have much in the way of multiple forms of revenue. They have a search appliance, yahoo-like searech contracts and ad services and possibly other minor services.
If inktomi comes around and does something better than google, google will turn over and die unless it can one-up inktomi.
Amazon survives because it sells physical things, and not services (contracts/licenses). It's also the bigger sales company. If you dont' buy a segway, it won't go out of biz. If you don't by electronics, it has other revenues in other areas of merchandise.
Google NOT IPO'ing has its strengths. No investors to try and please. Being public means you are even more watched than ever, since you now have shareholders. If one scandle comes about, GOGL (google) could tank.
Sometimes, it's easier to be a humble celebrity than a flashy one.
Between the truth of your statement, and your use of sarcasm/satire.. I'm not sure if I'm being trolled or intelligently talked to...
stupid underpants gnomes never knew what they were doing anyway.
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You don't know how yahoo uses php. It might use it on command line for generating static pages. So beware what you think they are doing. You never know.
One of the things I find fascinating when I compare the two at a system capability level is that they are equally capable. It's just that PHP is so much more easy to use, whereas Java is so much more orthodox. Easy to use often wins over orthodox.
Java isn't much harder than perl or php. Wanna print something? Java is 3 lines of code, while php is at shortest, 1. Print more? It's not THAT much more code to either language. The complexities of each language aren't far off. One just has superior OO while the others are more.. "loose".
In the long run PHP has as much chance to be a Java killer as.NET does. In the great battle for free vs. proprietary software do I really need orthodox?
I doubt it. Java has one thing php doesn't and java is far ahead on the curve. Application development. DOn't give me that php-gtk thing either. Java does OO right, right now. Granted, swing is a little slow, but SWT takes care of that now. php doesn't do a lot of the things java can, nicely. i.e. Distribution and jar's for instance. Event handling for another.
I'm gonna get marked as flaimbait for this one, while php is neat and all.. it's not enterprise ready. At least with java, I can get all my modules to work nicely/w each other. Last year, DOM had a problem working along side the ssl modules. ALso had a code base size causing php to randomly crash. Yes, its OSS, but I rather not worry about what java delivers now, good, solid, core libs.
Nono.. opensource isn't about that either. All it is, is about freedom. It's hard to sell opensource software. The only sources of revenue you have is support, documentation, distribution and possibly ignorance. There are probably others.
But back to the confidence thing, look at doom. It wasn't about confidence.. it was about people not making money. They gave it away for free to be nice, and nothign is wrong with that.
Close source is about protecting what's yours.. or laziness to distribute:)
ANd if it did spread out once using GPL softare, who's fault is it?
Who's fault? Mine. Exactly how I want it to be.
If you have an affinity for OSS, that's great. I commend you. If you find a bug, report it to the author with a fix, or whatever. Really. If your quarrel is that they didn't do OSS, just ignore them. You have Money, Quicken, Excel...etc..
Just don't expect code to be completely secure just 'cause it's GPL. If that were true, explain why OS/2 has fewer bugs. Explain why Redhat linux and Windows both have a relatively high number of exploits each, before patching. And only blame yourself when your acct number gets out, in probably a rare occurance, only because your machine is networked. Or your screen was temptest'd..
It was funny. I was on bugtraq, and someone posted some code, showing how a system (freebsd at the time), could be exploited. Iditoically enough, I trusted the source after giving it a quick look and ran it. Somehow, I missed something.. a call to drop to the shell and execute a ping -f.
So tell me. Do you go through the pains of examining the source of every application you use?
But would you say, someone would eventually catch it in code? Sure, it'd a good argument. After all, web servers, name servers, XFree86... they have bugs, people catch them.
So here's my next question. There's one fundamental difference. If everyone ran a tampered copy of other free softwares, the damage would be minimal compared to say, transmitting your financial information to a server in Java (the island, not the language). After all, after I realized what that bugtraq code did, I killed the app. No permanent reprecussions.
Do you trust MS to not transmit your financial information when you do a software update? Do you use a machine with no net connection to prevent your financial info from spreading around? ANd if it did spread out once using GPL softare, who's fault is it?
Opensource isn't a panacea. It's a methodology. It's a way of making software secure over time, if people can contribute. It's about anyone going in and making improvements to their copy, or hell.. breaking it. It's not about instantaneous security. After all, did you audit your last linux install to maek sure it doesn't transmit your shadow file off to Alan Cox, since he's become a nut and hates all linux users now? (Not really.. but you get the idea).
Slashdot Mirror
Yeah.. we had a webserver, and for some reason, it kept letting some random group of editors keep posting really bad stories.
:P
We kinda liked the server, but found the email addresses of the editors and spammed them to death.
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side note: whoa! this is a weird one
Is this part of april fools or is this standard operating procedure for slashdot.
slashdot, the only place where the articles feel like the output of a feedback loop.
serves me right for thinking i was a physisist. Back to .. what do I do again?
I forget, but doesn't an electron have no mass? :)
Is this Taco's way at getting back at us for complaining about dupes in the first place?
KHAN!
Isn't that partly the reason why everyone left altavista? Google did a better job and with less advertising. Everyone likes free beer.. especially when it's really good. And if there's a better free beer, then we'd go to that.
Google, amazon.com and pets.com, do something VERY well. Google does searching, amazon.com and pets.com sold pet stuff. One out of the two sales sites survived. Google doesn't have much in the way of multiple forms of revenue. They have a search appliance, yahoo-like searech contracts and ad services and possibly other minor services.
If inktomi comes around and does something better than google, google will turn over and die unless it can one-up inktomi.
Amazon survives because it sells physical things, and not services (contracts/licenses). It's also the bigger sales company. If you dont' buy a segway, it won't go out of biz. If you don't by electronics, it has other revenues in other areas of merchandise.
Google NOT IPO'ing has its strengths. No investors to try and please. Being public means you are even more watched than ever, since you now have shareholders. If one scandle comes about, GOGL (google) could tank.
Sometimes, it's easier to be a humble celebrity than a flashy one.
Between the truth of your statement, and your use of sarcasm/satire.. I'm not sure if I'm being trolled or intelligently talked to...
stupid underpants gnomes never knew what they were doing anyway.
You don't know how yahoo uses php. It might use it on command line for generating static pages. So beware what you think they are doing. You never know.
Eh? 1 == 100%. And if you are using version numbers, 5 + 100% of 5 is 10.
:)
You prolly mean 20% better. 5 + 20% of 5 = 6
Java isn't much harder than perl or php. Wanna print something? Java is 3 lines of code, while php is at shortest, 1. Print more? It's not THAT much more code to either language. The complexities of each language aren't far off. One just has superior OO while the others are more
I doubt it. Java has one thing php doesn't and java is far ahead on the curve. Application development. DOn't give me that php-gtk thing either. Java does OO right, right now. Granted, swing is a little slow, but SWT takes care of that now. php doesn't do a lot of the things java can, nicely. i.e. Distribution and jar's for instance. Event handling for another.
I'm gonna get marked as flaimbait for this one, while php is neat and all.. it's not enterprise ready. At least with java, I can get all my modules to work nicely
Nono.. opensource isn't about that either. All it is, is about freedom. It's hard to sell opensource software. The only sources of revenue you have is support, documentation, distribution and possibly ignorance. There are probably others.
:)
But back to the confidence thing, look at doom. It wasn't about confidence.. it was about people not making money. They gave it away for free to be nice, and nothign is wrong with that.
Close source is about protecting what's yours.. or laziness to distribute
Now that I've gotten that out of my system...
If you have an affinity for OSS, that's great. I commend you. If you find a bug, report it to the author with a fix, or whatever. Really. If your quarrel is that they didn't do OSS, just ignore them. You have Money, Quicken, Excel...etc..
Just don't expect code to be completely secure just 'cause it's GPL. If that were true, explain why OS/2 has fewer bugs. Explain why Redhat linux and Windows both have a relatively high number of exploits each, before patching. And only blame yourself when your acct number gets out, in probably a rare occurance, only because your machine is networked. Or your screen was temptest'd..
It was funny. I was on bugtraq, and someone posted some code, showing how a system (freebsd at the time), could be exploited. Iditoically enough, I trusted the source after giving it a quick look and ran it. Somehow, I missed something.. a call to drop to the shell and execute a ping -f.
So tell me. Do you go through the pains of examining the source of every application you use?
But would you say, someone would eventually catch it in code? Sure, it'd a good argument. After all, web servers, name servers, XFree86... they have bugs, people catch them.
So here's my next question. There's one fundamental difference. If everyone ran a tampered copy of other free softwares, the damage would be minimal compared to say, transmitting your financial information to a server in Java (the island, not the language). After all, after I realized what that bugtraq code did, I killed the app. No permanent reprecussions.
Do you trust MS to not transmit your financial information when you do a software update? Do you use a machine with no net connection to prevent your financial info from spreading around? ANd if it did spread out once using GPL softare, who's fault is it?
Opensource isn't a panacea. It's a methodology. It's a way of making software secure over time, if people can contribute. It's about anyone going in and making improvements to their copy, or hell.. breaking it. It's not about instantaneous security. After all, did you audit your last linux install to maek sure it doesn't transmit your shadow file off to Alan Cox, since he's become a nut and hates all linux users now? (Not really.. but you get the idea).
"With my naked eye I saw.. the fallin' rain comin' down on me.." o/`
But the compression a human can do vs a generic algorithm is negligable compared to a full blown XML document.
Unless your line is under THAT much strain, I doubt the margin of difference matters much.
Yeah, but XML, the technology has rules and a syntax. It's a meta-language. XSLT, XPATH, SVG, HTML, SOAP... their definitions are languages.
Anyone have a measurement of how many versions of windows have gone gold compred to duke nuke 'em?
Sounds like we have a new measurement for age once duke nuke 'em does come out.
"Yeah, our software went gold in half a nuke"
What's that about monkeys, typewriters and shakespear?
Btw, I have encountered such stuff before. So apparently the non-most-programmers are that stupid.
You prolly don't want to compare a pacemaker and a microwave. One would break the other :)
Tester: Yeah, this pacemaker works pretty well. Let's try the microwave. HURK!
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FreeBSD or VI?
Direct3D or perl?
perl or vi?
beer or a stairclimber?
The combinations of comparisons are endless!
At least we'll always have possible content for slashdot.
That's not advocacy for linux. That's advocacy for curing boredom :P
"Linux... it's better than watching tv, needlepoint.. or taking a poop."
Isn't it rule of thumb to leave a windows machien alone while burning cd's, so the burner doesnt' suffer buffer overruns?
So couldn't she be doing needle point while it burns?
That's ok, I read it as state of the onion.