I'm kidding when i paste this since its comparing apples and radios... but BSD's are twice as good since its been about 20 years if the copyright is any indication of its own release schedule...
All of the documentation and software included in the 4.4BSD and 4.4BSD-Lite
Releases is copyrighted by The Regents of the University of California.
Copyright 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
It doesn't prevent the developer from creating their own closed source extensions and charge for that, no? Perhaps that is what they are doing and you can just download the linux kernel and there's your source from wherever you linux people download it.:)
I can imagine the chaos that ensues if their techology is anything like a primative crawler: a word gets searched, you get porn or something totally unrelated:)
If you work with MANY multimedia files, large movies etc, burning cd's don't make sense. Hard drive space is "cheap", but swapping hard drives isn't fun either.
At least now, you can create a divx/dvd, put it on a disc and reuse it. well, at least a small dvd:)
I wonder what the real reason the X-Box crash. Am I the only one who thinks that PR generally doesn't have a clue when things go wrong or when trying to be informative?
There's a difference. Windows isn't bloated for the footprint. You can footprint either at a few hundred meg (under 3 I believe). Windows is bloated because you are forced to install all of this stuff that takes up so much memory. W2k runs well under 128megs ram.
And distros that usually come with 4 cd's (ala freebsd [yes, its an OS, not really a distro]), but as I sit here, cd1 has all the packages you CAN install and the os. 3 an 4 have extra ones that aren't standard and cd 2 has a live file system you can boot off of and use, like an emergency disc.
So you see, windows is not bloated by footprint. its bloated by its memory usage. Almost like XFree86, except X is usually stable in its memory requierment:)
Its a matter of turning synonyms into common words and then checking against patters such as those. And if you think of rearranging the words, you can test against the order of ideas/pertinent words.
Playing devil's advocate here, but, if CT likes Konqueror, it might be within reason to say he likes kde. What better way to slow down the spread of gnome and possibly getting new source to developers than slashdoting them?!
This for some reason brought up a scene where Dr Evil (or was that Aevil) would be one of these OSS developers, and these IBM would be the US.
Evil: Well IBM, you better pay us for our DB before we crush you.
IBM: Hahahhaa.. we have DB2
Evil: (demonstrates Informix) As you see IBM, we do have a powerful DB. Pay us $1 BILLION DOLLARS, or we'll have to release the new version that outperforms db2 by 50%.
Its a game of social engineering. You can tell the whole department so that everyone knows there. Now you aren't solely to blame. Tell the whole university and then you are to blame for being an accomplice. Usually its safe to keep your mouth shut until someone in authority learns their lesson -- the results though may not be favoured.
> However, it's not fair for AOL to say that the
> users on their system can't talk to users
> of other systems (Jabber, for example).
Yes it is. Its their software. If they decide to change to a completely new protocol, that's THEIR decission. I think what makes this so appealing is the challenge on getting around it.
I don't know how it is for the WINE people. They can't possibly like the fact tha tthe windows api keeps changing. Can the WINE group go to MS and say "stop it"? Sure. Will they care? Who knows.
Have a bunch of cool things happen to *BSD, we get to flood slashdot with anouncements. Have one very other day, some go unnoticed. Density is the key! Save 'em up and release them at the end of the week.
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The way i see it is the same relation as apple has with opensource. If anything, I wouldn't be surprised if Oracle opensourced some parts of their software.
There's one key thing that Oracle has over pg and mysql, it performs VERY well. Not in one particular tiny thing, like mysql and its quickness on simple lookups. In the grander sense, it performs better.
Apple has that same thing, it does what it does REALLY well. It provides probably the easiest to use interface, and to some, the most asthetically pleasing interfaces. The hardware isnt' something to ignore either. But by opensourcing their non-key feature: a bsd operating system, which already existed before, but is customized to hell.
Will oracle do the same, and take in some opensource code to make part of their db? Maybe not, but pulling an apple stunt, giving away its code, darwin, just brings us closer to an opensource/closed source relationship we can all tolerate, if not endorce.
Btw, yes, darwin was originally freebsd, but a lot of work was done to make it something else, but apple has to take credit to improving on it in the ways that it did.
Funny.. maybe i don't represent any larger than the 1% of the whole, but napster is providing a service that allows me to steal music, so why not?
Yes, i think its stupid that we can't copy our cd's and dvd's to where-ever we want that that copy protection will never work, but...
If i'm walkign through the fields and see an apple fallen from the tree, will I not go pick it up? Of course I would. The music is just sitting around, music that i like it, why SHOULD i worry about paying for it. I'm not mass re-producing the stuff and selling it...
We do? I thought we also discover how things work and at least have knowledge, if not spread knowledge, on how to change things in either creative ways and/or improve on them... sometimes for the better.. sometimes not.
Slashdot Mirror
All of the documentation and software included in the 4.4BSD and 4.4BSD-Lite
Releases is copyrighted by The Regents of the University of California.
Copyright 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
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It doesn't prevent the developer from creating their own closed source extensions and charge for that, no? Perhaps that is what they are doing and you can just download the linux kernel and there's your source from wherever you linux people download it. :)
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now that would be one slow spinning hd. kidding .. i know they' d use flash memory for it :P
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We always knew he had some relation to yoda. Lay off . =)
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That's just not funny :) We need a moderation value for +1/-1 scary
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Only if the port rpm too ;) </joke>
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a security hole filled browser implementing privacy enhancements to protect user sercurity. Am i the only one seeing some irony in this? :)
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Yes, I must be the only one who read PIII as PILL since arial letter l's and capital I's look similar...
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i wonder how they will get this working with dishnetwork/directv/et al.
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I can imagine the chaos that ensues if their techology is anything like a primative crawler: a word gets searched, you get porn or something totally unrelated :)
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And what happens when muscles go into atrophy? Or at least start? This doesn't sound fun.
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If you work with MANY multimedia files, large movies etc, burning cd's don't make sense. Hard drive space is "cheap", but swapping hard drives isn't fun either.
:)
At least now, you can create a divx/dvd, put it on a disc and reuse it. well, at least a small dvd
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I wonder what the real reason the X-Box crash. Am I the only one who thinks that PR generally doesn't have a clue when things go wrong or when trying to be informative?
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How about a responsive article link instead ;)
</joke>
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There's a difference. Windows isn't bloated for the footprint. You can footprint either at a few hundred meg (under 3 I believe). Windows is bloated because you are forced to install all of this stuff that takes up so much memory. W2k runs well under 128megs ram. And distros that usually come with 4 cd's (ala freebsd [yes, its an OS, not really a distro]), but as I sit here, cd1 has all the packages you CAN install and the os. 3 an 4 have extra ones that aren't standard and cd 2 has a live file system you can boot off of and use, like an emergency disc. So you see, windows is not bloated by footprint. its bloated by its memory usage. Almost like XFree86, except X is usually stable in its memory requierment :)
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Its a matter of turning synonyms into common words and then checking against patters such as those. And if you think of rearranging the words, you can test against the order of ideas/pertinent words.
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is your sig from an old bbs system? :)
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Commander EVIL Taco is more like it *grin*
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This for some reason brought up a scene where Dr Evil (or was that Aevil) would be one of these OSS developers, and these IBM would be the US.
Evil: Well IBM, you better pay us for our DB before we crush you.
IBM: Hahahhaa.. we have DB2
Evil: (demonstrates Informix) As you see IBM, we do have a powerful DB. Pay us $1 BILLION DOLLARS, or we'll have to release the new version that outperforms db2 by 50%.
IBM: You fiend!
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Its a game of social engineering. You can tell the whole department so that everyone knows there. Now you aren't solely to blame. Tell the whole university and then you are to blame for being an accomplice. Usually its safe to keep your mouth shut until someone in authority learns their lesson -- the results though may not be favoured.
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> However, it's not fair for AOL to say that the
> users on their system can't talk to users
> of other systems (Jabber, for example).
Yes it is. Its their software. If they decide to change to a completely new protocol, that's THEIR decission. I think what makes this so appealing is the challenge on getting around it.
I don't know how it is for the WINE people. They can't possibly like the fact tha tthe windows api keeps changing. Can the WINE group go to MS and say "stop it"? Sure. Will they care? Who knows.
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Have a bunch of cool things happen to *BSD, we get to flood slashdot with anouncements. Have one very other day, some go unnoticed. Density is the key! Save 'em up and release them at the end of the week.
<joke>
somewhat true, somewhat funny
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The way i see it is the same relation as apple has with opensource. If anything, I wouldn't be surprised if Oracle opensourced some parts of their software.
There's one key thing that Oracle has over pg and mysql, it performs VERY well. Not in one particular tiny thing, like mysql and its quickness on simple lookups. In the grander sense, it performs better.
Apple has that same thing, it does what it does REALLY well. It provides probably the easiest to use interface, and to some, the most asthetically pleasing interfaces. The hardware isnt' something to ignore either. But by opensourcing their non-key feature: a bsd operating system, which already existed before, but is customized to hell.
Will oracle do the same, and take in some opensource code to make part of their db? Maybe not, but pulling an apple stunt, giving away its code, darwin, just brings us closer to an opensource/closed source relationship we can all tolerate, if not endorce.
Btw, yes, darwin was originally freebsd, but a lot of work was done to make it something else, but apple has to take credit to improving on it in the ways that it did.
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Funny.. maybe i don't represent any larger than the 1% of the whole, but napster is providing a service that allows me to steal music, so why not?
Yes, i think its stupid that we can't copy our cd's and dvd's to where-ever we want that that copy protection will never work, but...
If i'm walkign through the fields and see an apple fallen from the tree, will I not go pick it up? Of course I would. The music is just sitting around, music that i like it, why SHOULD i worry about paying for it. I'm not mass re-producing the stuff and selling it...
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We do? I thought we also discover how things work and at least have knowledge, if not spread knowledge, on how to change things in either creative ways and/or improve on them... sometimes for the better.. sometimes not.
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