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Google Announces Android 4.3, Netflix, New Nexus 7, and Q Successor Chromecast
At a press conference dubbed "Breakfast With Sundar," Google announced two new pieces of hardware and a minor revision to Android. Complete stories and commentary are still coming in, but in the mean time you can skim a liveblog or two
First is the new Nexus 7. The hardware is slightly improved (full HD screen, better graphics, etc.). The specs managed to "leak" hours before the event through Best Buy opening preordering too early. On the software side, they've announced a minor revision to Android, 4.3. It features improved Bluetooth support (including Bluetooth 4.0), OpenGL ES 3.0, enhanced internationalization, enhanced DRM, and multi-user support. The multi-user support looks most exciting: now you can share a tablet with more than one person. One of the features Google focused on was restricted profiles: a device owner can create accounts that e.g. cannot make in-app purchases (Junior won't rack up a $3000 bill again). Bad news: Google is implementing stricter DRM for books and video, locking down the entire video stack. The consolation prize is that Netflix will work on more devices and at 1080p. Also demoed were a new version of Chrome that brings the tablet experience closer to the desktop, improved hangouts, and improved maps. Google also appears to be making a push into gaming, emphasizing tablet-only games that integrate into Google+. In addition to gaming, they have secured deals with five major textbook publishers to sell students presumably DRMed electronic textbooks that can be purchased or rented, enhanced with better search and highlighting (because PDF readers don't support those features already). As usual lately, all of the really nice additions to Android are proprietary and tied to Google services, further eroding the open nature of Android.
Finally, they announced a tiny $35 dongle named Chromecast that appears to be the successor of the Nexus Q. Running Chrome OS, it connects to any HDMI port, finds your Wi-Fi network, and Just Works (tm) for online video. The online and mobile Youtube and Netflix interfaces will allow you to hit a single button and forward the video to your television as well. Google Music streaming to the television is also supported. The Chromecast looks like a handy little device, hopefully it is turns out it can be reflashed. Of course, when using your browser as a remote, all of the commands go through The Cloud. An SDK and more details on the software side of things are slated for release later today, although conspiciously absent on their supported platforms list is GNU/Linux, listing only Chrome OS and Android. Update: 07/24 18:01 GMT by U L : The Chromecast SDK is out, but with an awfully restrictive license that requires written permission from Google to distribute any cast enabled applications, which appears to make it completely incompatible with Free/Open Source software.
Multiple user accounts have been available in Android for ages, this is just some enhancements. Same with sending YouTube and Netflix video from your phone/tablet to your TV - I can do that with my Panasonic Viera and Galaxy S3.
Features being tied to Google services is hardly new either.
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You can keep all your privacy invading products to yourself Sundar. My next phone is going to be either a Jolla or a FirefoxOS device. I got tired of the whole Google+-ification of every Google product.
That's all fine and dandy, but what I'm the absolute most stoked about is that action bar is now supported back to API 7 http://developer.android.com/reference/android/support/v7/app/ActionBar.html
What, so unless you root the thing you can't even play videos/read books that don't have license information attached?
With Bluetooth 4.0, hopefully the Wahoo Blue HR can now be supported by runkeeper et al.
This way people will take their DRM up the ass. At least Google uses some lube.
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Glad I skipped this one.
How in the world do they lockdown a video stack if I have access to the kernel?
The thing is $35, and (at least for now) includes 3 free months of Netflix (even for existing subscribers).
That means that if you want a 1080p Netflix box for your TV, this thing costs you $11... that's one heck of a lot cheaper than an AppleTV or Roku.
My parents have been complaining about how ridiculously slow Netflix is on their Samsung bluray player (the streaming works fine, the interface takes forever to load pages), so this might just be their solution...
I'm assuming that kernels that aren't signed will fail Netflix's DRM checks or something.
Which is sort of expected, so whatever.
How would that even work?
If you control the kernel you can have it lie and return whatever signature you want. If it tries to hash something, let it hash a copy of the signed kernel you backed up.
Sounds like they are making steps in the right direction, I personally purchased a kindle because of kindle freetime. That decision was more than just restricting the kids, a big part was access to the free time unlimited content library and the age based content controls.
The article doesn't say if google is planning a similar service, which is what seems to be driving my associates with kids to buy the kindles.
How would that even work?
If you control the kernel you can have it lie and return whatever signature you want. If it tries to hash something, let it hash a copy of the signed kernel you backed up.
It doesn't matter if the encryption is solid or not. It could be a simple XOR if they wanted to. What matters is that the DMCA makes anyone who fiddles with it a criminal.
More Twoson than Cupertino
The rumored specs for Nexus 7.2 all included wireless charging. Does anyone know for certain that it got dropped from the final spec?
Maybe through the integration of SELinux and MAC, which was buried in the announcement.
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I have no idea how they would do it. I would do it with a challenge-response setup -- the app requests that the kernel sign an app-generated challenge nonce with some private key, then the app validates this signature against a known public key. The AOSP release would then have a different key, or no key at all, or "allow the AOSP builder to specify their own key" or however they want to phrase it.
Of course, that seems like a lot of work, so maybe they're just buzzwording so that the movie execs think that their movies are now unhackable, without actually doing any significant software changes.
Looking at the 7" tablets, it seems like these devices are all quite similar:
All roughly $200. Front and back cameras, vaguely comparable processors. The Nexus has a higher screen resolution than the other two, but lacks the microSD slot that the other two have. The Samsung uses its own Samsung app store, while the Google and Lenovo use the Google Play store. Anything else different?
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In which case I would have my kernel start up the signed kernel and pass this task off to it. Virtualization is great.
As usual lately, all of the really nice additions to Android are proprietary and tied to Google services, further eroding the open nature of Android
I wish I could mod summaries as troll. Honestly, many of us here make our livings creating proprietary software. Whining that Google makes proprietary apps just makes us all look bad. Stop it.
Again, I own the kernel so I can have SELinux doing whatever I want.
Which is already how I play DVDs, so by now I must be a hardened criminal. Making normal people criminals is not good for society.
At this point I should probably just priate media since they don't even want to let me legally play it.
Easy. Just like it works with all signed things. They checksum against what should be a cryptographically secure hash to make sure you haven't tampered with the kernel. So unless you've broken the hash scheme, no you can't do that.
So it streams video over WiFi and is controlled via the cloud. Do we want to start a betting pool on how long till the first hack to override the device and display Goatse.cx on everyone's TVs?
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The Nexus 7 is by far the best tablet on the market, IMHO
There fixed it for you.
It would have to be very great indeed for your guest kernel to have no way of noticing anything was amiss. In theory that should work perfectly all the time, in practice it's an arms race.
My guess would be a shim program that performs cryptographic checksums of the running kernel, or a key component. The shim is downloaded as part of whatever application wants to implement restricted DRM, such as Netflix.
What the kernel replies is of no consequence, since it is never queried.
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Prior to Jelly Bean 2 (Android 4.2), Android didn't really have multiuser capabilities. How many Android devices in the field are running Jelly Bean 2? Many are still shipping with Gingerbread (2.3). And as I understand it, phones still don't ship with multiuser; only 7" and bigger tablets do. You have to root to get multiuser on a phone.
How in the world do they lockdown a video stack if I have access to the kernel?
I don't know (!) - but i suspect that the purpose of DRM is to stop "normal" people... not those who can ask such questions.
* "normal" people (thiefs are... thiefs - they will just think only about themselves) must start thinking that intellectual property, while not physical, it's still property of those who happened to be intellect enough to produce it, and that those producers depend in that property to support them financially - DRM is good since gives the ability to both parties (producers-consumers) to trade.
How can you start up a signed kernel if you can't provide said signed kernel with the encryption key that it looks for at boot time, which was to be provided by the secure bootloader that you replaced with your own (becasue the secure bootloader will obviously fail to boot your custom kernel)?
Even if you own the kernel, the device manufacturer owns the design of the module that monitors the boot process. In the x86 world I think they call this a TPM.
It's all fun and games till someone figures out how to monetize it.
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So how in the world does this code run?
How would it even know if it is checking the running kernel vs all those reads being redirected?
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I have absolutely no complaints with mine. Love the thing. Yeah, it would be nice if you could plunk an SD card into it or properly access USB drives, but I've got other ways to move data on and off it, so it's a very very small inconvenience. I love the thing myself.
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The Verge indicates Chromecast will only work with computers running a Windows or Mac OS. Yet again Linux is treated like a red-headed stepchild.
How does it know what is is hashing is what it thinks it is hashing?
DRM is never good, nor is imaginary property anything more than that.
I do not pirate software nor media, but I cannot accept such views. Only one person has to crack this before everyone can have a copy.
The overlap between what you call Thieves, which are in fact not stealing anything only copying it, and normal people is likely far more than you expect.
Details are a bit thin, and will presumably depend on the hardware; but Google has this to say:
"Android also now supports hardware-backed storage for your KeyChain credentials, providing more security by making the keys unavailable for extraction. That is, once keys are in a hardware-backed key store (Secure Element, TPM, or TrustZone), they can be used for cryptographic operations but the private key material cannot be exported. Even the OS kernel cannot access this key material. While not all Android-powered devices support storage on hardware, you can check at runtime if hardware-backed storage is available by calling KeyChain.IsBoundKeyAlgorithm()."
They don't explicitly say how the media DRM features are handled; but it would certainly appear that they've been busy supporting higher-than-kernel hardware mechanisms that would certainly have the capability to verify the system state and freak out if filthy 'owners' have the temerity to mess with the device.
(Google has also owned Widevine for some time now, a company that is studiously unhelpful about the details; but which, according to its patent portfolio and past press releases, has been doing set-top-box DRM for a while now, with a long list of chipset vendors on the client list. They have a lot of chatter about a 'Virtual Smartcard', which sounds software-like; but 'software' could include firmware baked into a system well below the level of being manipulated by the kernel, short of a successful attack against the firmware.)
That sounds,
Looking at the 7" tablets, it seems like these devices are all quite similar:
All roughly $200. Front and back cameras, vaguely comparable processors. The Nexus has a higher screen resolution than the other two, but lacks the microSD slot that the other two have. The Samsung uses its own Samsung app store, while the Google and Lenovo use the Google Play store. Anything else different?
Of course they are quite similar. They are all made in China by the same suppliers. The only difference is how locked down the company wants to make them, and how they want to monetize them after-sale.
You can buy a chinese tablet straight from China for about 25%-30% less with the exact same specs. Some of the extra cost in the Google/Samsung models is due to better and more consistent software, but a good portion of it is going right into the pocket of those middlemen.
I have yet to see a Chinese tablet that did not have a micro-SD slot. Even their $40 devices have them. The only reason Apple and Google would do without them is so they can gouge the customer for extra storage and built-in obsolescence.
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The new Chromecast device looks awesome! Unfortunately my old generation HDTV only has Component Inputs. I wonder if I can plug a Chromecast into some kind of HDMI->Componet converter? Will Chromecast require a secure HDMI connection?
Like Wifi refusing to connect some times until you turn it off and on again on the Nexus 4 and the older Nexus HSPA+ OR the camera getting stuck on in the background and turning the phone into a pocket heater while it drains the phone battery in less than 30 minutes.
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Well, I guess I can leave android now. Any word on when firefox OS devices start shipping?
It was nice while it lasted.
Yes, the Nexus 7 actually get's updates instantly, Samsung might roll them out in a year or two.
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Since when did Google promised anyone that it would be "open"? The only thing they offer is source code.
That allows you to do a lot, but as we saw with Tivo, open source does not mean open access, etc.
Or theyare smart and know that nobody cares to rip the HDMI stream but instead just download the movie in full HD from the pirate bay. or if you dont want to be tracked, rip the Bluray.
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You're describing an extreme corner case. Detailed modifications to a kernel that intercepts specific reads is not exactly what they are worried about.
If they are then the next iteration of devices will be like the Chromebooks, with TPM chips and signed boot loaders and kernels.
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How would that even work?
It's really pretty trivial when you think about it. Now that SIMs are hacked, they can propose a new standard that has a similar processor-on-a-circuit DRM like satellite tv's smart cards. The legislation is already in place to enforce everything regarding those so it won't be too much of a hassle.
They can even throw in a digital wallet feature to make it a serious counter-fitting crime to dupe the cards. Add in and a black door for the government and that will really get the US military to detain offenders under some future interpretation of the patriot act.
Maybe call the Freedom Chips...
Easy: you don't have access to the kernel.
HAL 7000, fewer features than the HAL 9000, but just as homicidal!
Sure, but it is possible.
That next iteration will then have me looking for alternatives. I simply will not buy a smartphone that I do not own. If I can't flash my own kernels it is useless to me. I am willing to lose netflix for that.
It's far worse, especially more anticompetitive than MS ever was.
So Google is now happily following the path of embrace and extend that Microsoft blazed to near irrelevance. Good job Google. Nothing says success like brilliant minds stifled by greed and control issues.
I'm wondering if Google just killed Roku with Chromecast.
Compared to the new AND the old Nexus 7, the Lenovo IdeaTab A3000 has pitiful screen resolution. Also, the Lenovo IdeaTab A3000 has half the RAM of the new Nexus 7: 1 GB vs 2 GB. Also, the front-facing camera of the Nexus 7 is quite a bit better than the one on the IdeaTab A3000.
Uh... pardon me, but I have no idea what the Unknown Lamer is talking about. My copy of Adobe Reader does search and highlighting JUST FINE.
Nexus devices don't have sd slots because Google doesn't want Microsoft making any more money off them. SD requires an exFAT licence.
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When will be Cyanogenmod and/or Ubuntu Touch be available for that device so we can really be the owners of it instead of google?
DRM is good because... gives the ability to both parties (producers-consumers) to trade.
In the techical part you are probably right (it's both easy to crack DRM and may only need one thief to do it for the rest of thiefs to steal the means of the intelectual property producers to support themselves).
* i used the term "normal people" for those that don't know about technical stuff and for those that may forget that piracy is thieft (in my opinion) and that may confuse you to believe that i was trying to accuse you as a thief (pirate) so sorry about that (my English are not so good either!)
Cos it gets the right answer ;-}
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Widely known fact. Taking pictures using a tablet announces to the world that the user is a colossal dork.
Both parties have that ability already. You can send me a file and I can send you money. I will not send you money for a file I cannot play. Try to also remember many consumers are producers too.
Piracy is not theft, which is why they are never charged with theft. Normal people actually often commit piracy. Far more than technically inclined folks.
DRM and laws around already make me a criminal when I play a DVD I bought. That does not encourage me to continue to buy media.
Short of rooting it, do you have access to the kernel?
I didn't think you did.
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You're missing the point. Google doesn't care if DRM is bullet proof, or if it actually works at all. It only has to be good enough to make the content providers happy.
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That summary has SO many words. I can't even make early assumptions from it, just.. too long.
Also, it results in the device's storage getting partitioned, as you can only install apps to the onboard flash. ("Install to SD Card" is a bad joke). And when you plug it into a computer over USB, the SD card can only be accessed by either the computer or the Android device, but not both at the same time, so all your stuff disappears until you unmount it.
Seriously, I remember having to screw around with this on my Nexus One and I don't want to go back to that. Just give me lots of onboard flash and I'll be fine.
TPM.
Galaxy Tab 3 7" removed the USB Host support (Tab 2 7" has it), Frustrating,
you can't pull images from the phone any more.
Also you can load from google play just fine with the galaxy tab.
It's a Nexus. That means it will get updated.
My almost 2 year old galaxy nexus just got updated to 4.3, same day.
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lol yeah thats the reason! Riiiight!
Only if you want to support SD cards > 64GB (aka SD XC). SDHC cards need a FAT license though. Though I'm fairly certain you can probably reformat 64GB SDXC cards with FAT32 and have it still work fine in everything.
Google doesn't want SD slots and gives pitifully low storage because they're a cloud (advertising) company. You put your music on Google Music, stream your Google Play videos you bought, etc.
Quite disappointed - guess I will be buying the Samsung Note 8 after all. Was really hoping the various rumours were true as the 7 inch is too small for my comfort. I prefer it to be a bit bigger.
I would go so far as to say that the overlap is near 100%. I have never met a person over the age of about 5 that has not 'pirated' 'intellectual property'. One of the most common cases being those dasterdly pirates that seem to think it is OK to steal the Happy Birthday song.
It's a Nexus. That means it will get updated.
Not necessarily, the Nexus one stopped at android 2.3.6 and is no longer listed at https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images and the Nexus S stopped at 4.1.1, never making it to 4.2.
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Both parties have that ability already. You can send me a file and I can send you money.
Both parties (producers-consumers) have that abilitity already (to trade), but now DRM gives the added ability to producers to protect their property from those consumers that take advantage (trade has rules for good faith between parties - those rules apply for trade of physical material also!) the prior lack of adequate technical protection of intelectual property.
I will not send you money for a file I cannot play..
The opposite would be stupid from you as a consumer and (if not done accidently) a violetion of good faith trade rules from the producers - but DRM files play...
Try to also remember many consumers are producers too..
So? Many thiefs are also working!
Piracy is not theft, which is why they are never charged with theft.
It is theft - in my country (Greece) it's called thief (the Greek language is quite logical to enforce that word for that action), and charged as such (but with very lighter punishments -if not done as a "job"- than USA - i accept that in the USA punishments becomes often rediculus hard).
Normal people actually often commit piracy. Far more than technically inclined folks..
I accept that.
DRM and laws around already make me a criminal when I play a DVD I bought. That does not encourage me to continue to buy media.
If i was considered a criminal for playing a DVD i bought i would not been encouraged to continue to buy media also - but i think you exaggerate the situation...
1. No, just more PITA for paying customers
2. Not on linux they don't. Not after the DRM service goes away they don't. Ask those people who bought the MS drm music ages ago.
3. Copying is not theft. theft requires depriving someone of something. if I take your picture I have not stolen anything.
4. The greek police will not charge you with theft. Find me a single case of that. The concepts are not even close. The fact that your language is imprecise is not a good argument for anything but fixing your language.
5. I use libdvdcss to play dvds, this is illegal in the USA. Thus I am made a criminal just to watch movies I purchased.
I hope they replaced their stupid headphone jack with a headset jack. It is SO annoying to have to type in credit cards manually using Square's Credit Card Reader (not to mention the higher fee).
yes, there are some other easy ways for "normal" (non-technical) people to steal intelectual property...
At a press conference dubbed "Breakfast With Sundar,"
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I've been looking at all the cheap Chinese Android Sticks that have been coming out lately, but have been hesitant to buy since they each have their own little quirks and none are really supported. If they can increase the app availability, I'm there...
Of course, adding BlueTooth so you could interact with at least a mouse would be better.
1. If paying customers find it PITA they stop beeing paying customers - but not become thiefs!
2. Some things require some other things to work (my car does not work with diesel but only with gasoline - i don't steal diesel cars...). If (as in the case you mention) the contract for the trade has been broken illegally there are legal ways for those effected (and only those) to claim damages.
3. Copying (illegaly) is theft since it deprivis the intelectual property owner some of their abbility to earn money from their their work - if i steal a soda from the supermarket i don't deprive from the supermarket owners their ability to drink that soda (they have more than enough already) but their ability to make money by selling it. If i use my picture to earn money and you take it illigaly... you stole from me.
4. The Greek police rarely deals with such cases (it's more the job of an rights holder's organization), but do exist (actually i know personally one such case -got convicted... lightly- and few other indirectly from the press) and charged as thefts. The consept of stealing intelectual property is very close to that of stealling physical property so the Greek language (that is so rich that internationally is the most used from other languages to fix their imprecise!!!) use the same word (theft) for both (what is the word used in English?).
5. Well... i use libdvdcss to play dvds also... but it's legal in my country (and most/all of Europe i think). You are a criminal my friend since "dura lex sed lex" - i used a Latin saying but we have many such in Greek also (yes, i am offended for calling Greek "imprecise"!).
Calling it Nexus doesn't make the hardware magically capable of new workloads. There is no way to guarantee that cutting edge software can run well on old hardware. You can either cut hardware loose when it can't keep up or you can artificially hold back everybody else by never building anything too powerful for your first generation device. This argument is a canard. Nobody who buys Nexus devices for their access to upgrades expects the hardware to magically keep pace with hardware released 3 or 4 years later.
I have found with greater than 16GB I am less concerned with external storage as well, but the situation with the SD card mounting from the device when it is mounted on a computer is a poor excuse for engineering. It would have been trivial for Google to have designed the OS to mount a virtual directory structure for accessing the SD card and thus leaving the SD card mounted to the OS at all times.
I'm hoping that with the Bluetooth improvements, we will start to see small bluetooth devices that allow you to wirelessly mount SD and USB drives the same way you can connect to a Bluetooth keyboard. Realistically, with 32GB devices, the only thing that you would be storing on external media would be large data files like movies or music.
That's OK, I already did that when I set up my Commodore KIM on my dinningroom table. Then again when I would play C64 games at lunch in Jr High. As a young adult, I went even more public with it by letting anyone who happened to be at the mall, see me frequently entering and exiting the software store.
I am WAY past announcing to the work that I am a colossal dork. Don't worry, eventually the cool kids will come around, just like you did with the dork announcement of posting on Slashdot.
I have no faith for HTML5 being mature enough for the spotlight. Your best bet would most likely be the MeeGo successor Jolla.
http://developer.android.com/about/versions/jelly-bean.html#43-media This actually says that they created a modular framework that can be used to better implement DRM.
This. The same reason why they don't let you choose the permissions for the apps as you install them, or make rooting the phone a one-click procedure. They just need to demonstrate that they are putting an effort in to stop teh evul hackerz and the content providers and app publishers have no basis to file a lawsuit that Google is intentionally causing them financial harm.
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What cretins make these claims? All modern video chips have DRM paths for DRM video. These paths have NOTHING, repeat ***NOTHING*** to do with decoding ordinary, non-DRM protected video.
Obviously, if you have a DRM path, you try to make it as hack-proof as possible- denying the ability to intercept the decoded video stream at ANY point after decryption starts to take place. Across time, Google and others will work to make this as strong as possible. Essentially this prevents individuals from making easy rips or copies of the video they've downloaded, and sharing this with others.
Meanwhile, ordinary video streams (from whatever source) with open video data are ALWAYS free to invoke the native hardware video decode functions. What on Earth would be the point of blocking this, you morons. These devices have such powerful CPU cores, you can actually (at the cost of battery life) use CPU decoding, and no-one could EVER prevent this.
Again. ARE YOU LISTENING... The 'protected video path initiatives' have nothing to do with preventing you from playing non-protected video material.
Custom kernel, re-implement/intercept calls to KeyChain.IsBoundKeyAlgorithm(). Fixed.
Help I am stuck in a signature factory!
Why is rooting it such a big deal? As long as they are using C/C++ for any kernel/root level code, there will always be exploits for privilege escalation.
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3..You deprive them of that soda though, which is what they sell.
If you make your own soda at home, you also don't pay the supermarket. Same way if you copy media you don't pay for it. Should making homemade soda be illegal?
4. Copyright infringement is the correct term in English. It is nothing like theft. Theft deprives someone of an actual thing, not the mere chance to make money. If taking the chance to make money away is a crime, I am a criminal whenever I cook my own dinner instead of going to a restaurant. If I cook food just like the restaurant surely I am worse than hitler.
5. Any language that has no separate words for such things is incredibly imprecise.
Slashdot is clearly a site for very clueless nerds. DRM systems are designed to be as hack proof as possible, and Google has simply announced the next stage of preventing hacking into the process that decrypts, decodes and displays DRM video data. This has nothing at all to do with playing ordinary, non-DRM video files.
There is an industry wide initiative to create devices where DRM protected files are able to provide output without any of the software or hardware decode stages being accessible to outside third-party code mechanisms. These are so-called protected paths. The initiative is a work in progress, and its intent is to prevent casual copying and lending by users.
THERE IS NO INTENT WHATSOEVER TO PREVENT THE USER FROM CREATING OR DISPLAYING THEIR OWN VIDEO FILES. If your book, video or music lacks DRM, it will decode and produce output just fine on any future version of Android. This functionality is IMPOSSIBLE for Google to prevent, even if they were insane enough to want to. Why? Because modern SoC CPU cores are so powerful, the decoding can always be done in pure software to a video surface that Google can have no control over. You know how a game displays to the screen? Any video player could use the same method! All Google could prevent would be your use of hardware acceleration, at the cost of some battery life- what on Earth would be the point.
Paranoid cretins have no technology understanding. Protected path is NOT the same as video decode acceleration.
Do you have to rewire the CPU, too? Because someone might've hard-wired in something you don't like. Be careful who you get the design for your new wiring, though, because the NSA might've bought them off. And don't forget to connect the antenna to the outside of your tinfoil hat.
3. Copying is not theft. theft requires depriving someone of something.
Uh wrong!
Copying something that someone owns and chooses to *sell* (ie: a book, software, music or whatever) *does* deprive someone of something -- the revenue that they would have received when they sold that to you.
Of course the argument is that most of those doing the copying would not have actually purchased (paid for) the material anyway so there's no loss of revenue -- but even that is flawed. If the copier believes that the material isn't worth paying for then they ascribe a lower value to it than the owner. In that case, if they truly believe it has a low value, why copy it?
If you take the time to copy something then you *do* ascribe a value to it. At the very least, *this* sum is the amount you have *stolen* from the legitimate owner and copyright holder.
If you still claim it has no value then one must ask, why are you wasting your time and bandwidth copying stuff that you don't want?
It's gotten to the point that I feel offended when someone implies I am a "consumer", as though I were a baby bird waiting, mouth agape, for some mama-bird "provider" to cough up some "product" for me to consume.
As a participant, not a mere "consumer", the extremism in the defense of international conglomerates' Intellectual Precious is a plague.
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3..You deprive them of that soda though, which is what they sell.
Well... that's actually my point!
[...] If you make your own soda at home, you also don't pay the supermarket. Same way if you copy media you don't pay for it. Should making homemade soda be illegal?
It is nothing like theft. Theft deprives someone of an actual thing, not the mere chance to make money. If taking the chance to make money away is a crime, I am a criminal whenever I cook my own dinner instead of going to a restaurant. If I cook food just like the restaurant surely I am worse than hitler
As you deprive the soda (physical property) from someone that sells it (their way to live in a honest world), you deprive the intelectuall property from someone that also sells it (also their way to make a honest living in this world).
No, making homemade soda should not be illigal - nor playing the song you like in your quitar. But when you make a copy of a media the valuable is not the physical object but the intelectual property in it - what you actualy steal (when you steal a dollar the valuable is not the paper... right? same as when you counterfeit the same dollar.)
4. Copyright infringement is the correct term in English. [...] 5. Any language that has no separate words for such things is incredibly imprecise.
I asked you "what is the word used in English?" and you give me a two word phrase!
And you keep inslult my language by calling it imprecise!!!
But i will insist asking you for a one word definition in English.
In Greek (maybe the most precise language in the world - English and most other languages knows that so borrows so much from Greek to fix their imprecise!) we use a two words phrace similar in English or a single compound (logoklopi - notice the "logo" part...) or just a single (klopi) that means... thieft!
"The first step for wisdom is the examination of the words" - Antishenes (anchient Greek philoshopher)
Ok try this two greek fellas set up shop in the same street selling kebabs you walk down the street if you buy from the first guy your depriving the second and vis versa. Since both of these vendors are equally deserving of your money, you decide to go home and cook your own kebab, leaving both vendors outraged that you had a kebab without paying them.
I'm driving my car a song comes on the radio enter sand man by metallica maybe i enjoyed it , perhaps later i hum the song as i wash the dishes. Have I stolen metallicas song? I didn't pay them for it.
I go on holiday in the greek Islands, I take my camera with me and go sight seeing and take photographs, I don't buy any postcards from any of the local vendors have I stolen those images and memories?
There is a local election with 2 or more candidates standing the candidate I voted for wins have I stolen the job from the other candidates?
I turn on my laptop and boot Linux see your crazy comment using the firefox webbrowser and leave a reply have I stolen from microsoft?
You can try all you want to persuade me to buy your service or product but I have every right to refuse to do so and that does not make me a thief.
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Good logic - i agree.
"obvious or not, bad/wrong is bad/wrong" - Antishenes (anchient Greek philoshopher)
Nope, you can format them with whatever, does not have to be xxxFAT anything.
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Well, i am Greek and since your comment has much of Greece in it i will try to answer you (maybe read the other comments also).
The laws permit you to hum (or even play it in your quitar, even in public, even making money) the intelectual property of Metalica.
Not buying a service/product that is on sale is not stealing - but using those without paying is.
(Re)Creating a service/product (the valuable part of it - in intelectual property cases, without exluding it totaly, it's not the physical material that may needed) for use and/or sale on your own if not depend on that prior intelectual property in permited - using the valuable part of others is not.
And in any case, the laws (even in USA) are not as bad as most people think (if they recognize the need for the intelectual workers to have a way for a honest living in this world) - Metalica are good but not a human right or primary need for survival... we can live without stealing* from them!
(i don't accuse you for that - i just use you example)!
How in the world do they lockdown a video stack if I have access to the kernel?
Handwavium to keep the studio execs happy.
Google knows that DRM doesn't work. They just need to do this to keep their deals with the studios.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
Piracy is not theft, which is why they are never charged with theft. Normal people actually often commit piracy. Far more than technically inclined folks.
This, Piracy is at best, fraud, not theft. And here I'm talking about commercial piracy where you charge people actual money in exchange illegitimate copies.
Also yes, "normal" (I prefer "mundane") people pirate as much, if not more than technically inclined people.
Finally, piracy has actually lead to increased sales.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
Nobody, and I mean NOBODY steals "IP" via the HDMI stream, even though it's been completely broken for over a year. In fact I install devices for my clients to disable HDCP completely, all Theater installs come with an HDFury installed on the Bluray player and the cable box to disable that craptastic abortion called HDCP.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
What's new about the profiles is that now they can be restricted from certain apps or actions (with some granularity), for parental control.
Other new features include:
* Intermittent Wi-Fi scanning for location (saves battery)
* OpenGL ES 3.0 support
* Bluetooth 4.0 LE and AVRCP 1.3 support
* Autocompleting dialpad
* Virtual surround sound
There's more under the hood changes:
* SELinux MAC system support for the app sandbox
* Better WPA2 EAP and Phase 2 authentication support
* Hardware root of trust support
* Modular DRM support (e.g. allows 1080p Netflix)
* Hardware geofencing
* Media muxer and VP8 encoding
* And of course, further rendering and other optimisations
Still, it's no ICS or Key Lime Pie.
Why would anyone engrave "Elbereth"?
Could somebody please explain to me why on earth you need a Full HD (1080p) resolution on a 5-11" screen? That's the resolution of my 57" TV. Besides costing a lot of battery life, I don't get it. Could people see the difference between a 1080p 5" screen vs a 720p or even 480p 5" screen? To me it just sounds like Marketing teams are pushing for this, so they can put the "Full HD" logo on the slides.
From Virgin: Venture, Chaser, and Optimus Elite still have 2.3. Ting also has the Optimus Elite.
3. You do not deprive them of their item by copying it. If you make a painting and I take a picture of it, you still have the painting.
4. You claimed your language had no words for it. Two word phrases are fine. If klopi means theft than greek is an imprecise language. Theft requires one to be deprived of the item, not a simply copy made. If I copy an mp3 the original is not destroyed.
Honestly, this problem with your language forces you to think these are the same thing. They are simply not. By using the same words it influences you to believe they are the same, when they are very different.
No, go read the USB mass storage device specification. The solution you're proposing is out of spec. Which is why they started shifting to MTP.
You know a "simple XOR" of the data with a one time pad key is theoretically unbreakable...
What matters is how you generate the keystream, not how you apply it to the data.
My point remains: some wireless carriers still think it proper to continue to sell old phones. So what affordable wireless carrier should U.S. residents patronize instead of Virgin Mobile? And what should someone who still has a 2.3 phone but doesn't yet qualify for a 2-year replacement do?
I said "it will get updated" not "it will get updated for life"
I have 4.3 and the "old" S3 is still on 4.1. And you CAN get 4.2.2 on the Nexus S with a custom rom, which is another feature of the Nexus line.
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