I took a look at ROCK Linux, along with GenDist, when trying to create a supermini distribution for a log server. Unfortunately, good adequate documentation for both seemed to be lacking. I wanted to continue to try, but didn't have time to dig into it enough. So we're just using a more traditional distro.
I do think it's a good idea, but there needs to be tons of docs and examples.
I've actually had that same idea before. Would be quite fun to try to put such a system together.
But, I think it would necessarily have to be a for-profit model. If it got popular, no amount of free resources would handle all the necessary compilation.
OTOH, I suppose compiled packages for different architectures could be cached.
I use Gentoo and love it, but a Stage 3 install isn't anywhere near comparable to RH 9. IIRC it doesn't even include X, and certainly not KDE and GNOME.
Maybe there are tarballs of the GUIs, but I've always emerged them, which takes several hours. Well worth it, mind you, but we can't just gloss over that when promoting Gentoo.
For the record, I've started with Stage 1 and compiling the base system only took a few hours. Start the process and go read a book. Or surf the internet if you're doing it under Knoppix, which is how I did it.
My organization is standardizing on it for critical servers, and I think it does a lot of what this article talks about. On install, it asks which services you want to run... and it ONLY installs what is absolutely necessary to run them. It's pretty lightweight, but gets the job done. And it's also hardened like you wouldn't believe, with most services preconfigured to run in a chroot() jail, something the others should have been doing from the start IMHO.
Doh. I read and replied to your post's grandchild (and put the FP comment in there) before I read this one. I browse at threshhold 2 and saw your posts in a different order as I lowered the threshhold. Sheesh.
And the parent of my post didn't really say you could have more than one hotel. That was someone else IIRC.
Wow, someone who *might* know the Monopoly rules better than I do!:)
Only one problem...
> your remaining money (obviously less than $50) is divided among the remaining players
Where do you get this idea? I have the book "The Monopoly Companion" which is endorsed by Parker Brothers. It says that someone bankrupt to the bank returns cash and title deeds to the bank, and the title deeds are auctioned off. It does not say to divide the cash among other players.
Please please PLEASE tell me you don't play with the Free Parking jackpot. That's my biggest pet peeve -- everyone and their dog insists on playing with it, but it utterly destroys the game. But someone as knowledgeable as you about the game should know that and avoid it.:)
Hey, maybe we should meet up with Atlantik sometime. You DO use Linux, right?
> I've only had a game go beyond 3 hours twice...
Similar here. It usually only takes a couple hours at most. That's because the FP jackpot usually lengthens the game, and it does assume that you don't have chatty people spending more time talking than playing...
> So you can't trade a property with a hotel on it unless you trade all the properties of the same color.
No "unless" about it. You can't trade a property with a house or hotel, period. All buildings in the color group must be sold at half price before any property is traded, and the new owner may then buy them at full price (if he has the whole set).
-- Micah the Monopoly guru (now if he could just find someone else who wants to play it right...)
Last time I talked to someone, a few months ago, they said that in Ecuador, cable costs about $150/month, and they have technicians check that you're physically only using it with one computer (no router deals). DSL was like $800 (!!!).
But, I'm moving there next week so I'll find out for sure pretty quick!
No, Cinepaint is just a version of Gimp that lets you modify frames of videos. Premiere does quite a bit more than that, letting you do all sorts of things working with video clips instead of individual frames.
No, YOU can't be serious. Spam is a serious problem. It costs serious money. No one wants it. It's often offensive. Unlike other advertising, it does not subsidize things we DO want.
Spammers are greedy, immoral, antisocial THIEVES.
CRAP YEAH they deserve jail time! And fines in the hundreds of thousands of dollars so that the taxpayers won't be subsidizing them in jail.
Last week's LWN (now available free) mentions that because the client MySQL libraries are now GPL (they were LGPL with MySQL 3.x), you can no longer legally use it with PHP since PHP's license is GPL incompatible.
I did some searching and didn't come up with much more about this. Doesn't seem like many people are worried about it. But OTOH this seems to be MySQL shooting itself in the foot, since PHP+MySQL are so popular.
Just wondering if anyone knows more about the situation and what is being done about it.
Of course, if this leads more people to use PostgreSQL, that can only be a good thing.
It's possibly OK to choose one desktop environment (WM, panel, etc) to support, but they need to include both KDE and Gnome libraries.
KDE apps are better in some areas, and Gnome apps are better in some.
AbiWord and Gnumeric beat the tar out of KOffice. Not to mention Gimp, XChat, and Pan; also the best in their fields.
Similarly, you have things like Scribus which requires Qt/KDE and has no Gnome/GTK equivalent. I also think KMail is the best mail program on Linux (every time I tried Evolution, it failed miserably).
So they need to include libraries and some applications from both environments. As Bill O'Reilly would say, "To not do so would be ridiculous."
Right, except IIRC 2.4.10 is when they replaced the whole freeking VM whole-hog. I think it was.13 or.14 until it was really stabilizing. Some say up to.18 had SMP bugs.
I had been using Red Hat 7.1 with XFS (2.4.3 or something) and got some nasty FS corruption. That was fixed by.6 though I think.
As for me now,
nova etc # uname -a Linux nova 2.6.0-test10 #1 SMP Mon Nov 24 22:57:08 PST 2003 i686 Pentium III (Coppermine) GenuineIntel GNU/Linux nova etc # uptime
23:24:09 up 20 days, 1:21, 2 users, load average: 0.13, 0.18, 0.14
> Honestly, how can you moderate a discussion if you don't care about the topic?
It really just doesn't matter. Nothing at all will get hurt if a few mod points go unused. I think there are too many of them in the system anyway. I think the reason FOR expiring them far outweighs concern over loss of a few of them.
> Now some moderator accountability would be nice.
Yes. Metamoderation is a step in the right direction, but I'm not sure it's ideal. Oh well, probably can't do a lot better.
> Do you get feed-back from Meta Moderations?
Yeah, I get system messages saying whether my mods were fair or unfair. (And for the record, after many, many moderations, I believe I've only been MM'd unfair maybe 4 times. And somewhere in the FAQ about the/. editor's moderation abilities, they say they are MM'd unfair 10% of the time, as if that is good...)
There is a reason for the "use em or lose em" policy. If you've read the moderator guidelines (or FAQ?), you'll notice it is because they don't want someone to sit on mod points until something comes up that they specifically want to mode up; i.e. for political reasons or whatever. I think it makes sense.
Now, if I could just send a flame note to the moderator that modded my last post in this thread offtopic.:) It was no more off-topic than its parent, and this discussion is worth having once in a while.
If up-modding had no limit, here's what I predict would happen:
Relatively stupid posts near the top of the page would get like +10. Moderators would use more points on them, and would have less points for comments that came later. Therefore, the later comments may get even fewer up-mods, when they should be getting more.
See also the AC who replied to parent before me. I think his idea is actually reasonably good.
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No, my users are all over the Net, using their local ISP mail servers.
Guess I could install a POP-before-SMTP type system.
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Of course, that would also make it GPL-incompatible, if the license prohibited changing/removing the logo...
I took a look at ROCK Linux, along with GenDist, when trying to create a supermini distribution for a log server. Unfortunately, good adequate documentation for both seemed to be lacking. I wanted to continue to try, but didn't have time to dig into it enough. So we're just using a more traditional distro.
I do think it's a good idea, but there needs to be tons of docs and examples.
I've actually had that same idea before. Would be quite fun to try to put such a system together.
But, I think it would necessarily have to be a for-profit model. If it got popular, no amount of free resources would handle all the necessary compilation.
OTOH, I suppose compiled packages for different architectures could be cached.
I use Gentoo and love it, but a Stage 3 install isn't anywhere near comparable to RH 9. IIRC it doesn't even include X, and certainly not KDE and GNOME.
Maybe there are tarballs of the GUIs, but I've always emerged them, which takes several hours. Well worth it, mind you, but we can't just gloss over that when promoting Gentoo.
For the record, I've started with Stage 1 and compiling the base system only took a few hours. Start the process and go read a book. Or surf the internet if you're doing it under Knoppix, which is how I did it.
My organization is standardizing on it for critical servers, and I think it does a lot of what this article talks about. On install, it asks which services you want to run ... and it ONLY installs what is absolutely necessary to run them. It's pretty lightweight, but gets the job done. And it's also hardened like you wouldn't believe, with most services preconfigured to run in a chroot() jail, something the others should have been doing from the start IMHO.
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> I've never heard of Atlantik, but if it's a way to get competitive Monopoly players, I'm googling right now! :)
# emerge kdegames
$ atlantik
No googling necessary
Doh. I read and replied to your post's grandchild (and put the FP comment in there) before I read this one. I browse at threshhold 2 and saw your posts in a different order as I lowered the threshhold. Sheesh.
And the parent of my post didn't really say you could have more than one hotel. That was someone else IIRC.
Wow, someone who *might* know the Monopoly rules better than I do! :)
:)
Only one problem...
> your remaining money (obviously less than $50) is divided among the remaining players
Where do you get this idea? I have the book "The Monopoly Companion" which is endorsed by Parker Brothers. It says that someone bankrupt to the bank returns cash and title deeds to the bank, and the title deeds are auctioned off. It does not say to divide the cash among other players.
Please please PLEASE tell me you don't play with the Free Parking jackpot. That's my biggest pet peeve -- everyone and their dog insists on playing with it, but it utterly destroys the game. But someone as knowledgeable as you about the game should know that and avoid it.
Hey, maybe we should meet up with Atlantik sometime. You DO use Linux, right?
> I've only had a game go beyond 3 hours twice...
Similar here. It usually only takes a couple hours at most. That's because the FP jackpot usually lengthens the game, and it does assume that you don't have chatty people spending more time talking than playing...
> So you can't trade a property with a hotel on it unless you trade all the properties of the same color.
No "unless" about it. You can't trade a property with a house or hotel, period. All buildings in the color group must be sold at half price before any property is traded, and the new owner may then buy them at full price (if he has the whole set).
-- Micah the Monopoly guru (now if he could just find someone else who wants to play it right...)
I don't smoke or do drugs, but whatever Darl is on almost makes me want to start!
Last time I talked to someone, a few months ago, they said that in Ecuador, cable costs about $150/month, and they have technicians check that you're physically only using it with one computer (no router deals). DSL was like $800 (!!!).
But, I'm moving there next week so I'll find out for sure pretty quick!
No, Cinepaint is just a version of Gimp that lets you modify frames of videos. Premiere does quite a bit more than that, letting you do all sorts of things working with video clips instead of individual frames.
Cinelerra is closer to Premiere.
No, YOU can't be serious. Spam is a serious problem. It costs serious money. No one wants it. It's often offensive. Unlike other advertising, it does not subsidize things we DO want.
Spammers are greedy, immoral, antisocial THIEVES.
CRAP YEAH they deserve jail time! And fines in the hundreds of thousands of dollars so that the taxpayers won't be subsidizing them in jail.
.sxc is the OOo spreadsheet extension.
Last week's LWN (now available free) mentions that because the client MySQL libraries are now GPL (they were LGPL with MySQL 3.x), you can no longer legally use it with PHP since PHP's license is GPL incompatible.
I did some searching and didn't come up with much more about this. Doesn't seem like many people are worried about it. But OTOH this seems to be MySQL shooting itself in the foot, since PHP+MySQL are so popular.
Just wondering if anyone knows more about the situation and what is being done about it.
Of course, if this leads more people to use PostgreSQL, that can only be a good thing.
> According to SCO CEO Darl McBride, the Bible contains over 1 million verses copied illegally from SCO intellectual property.
Wow, that's pretty amazing, especially since the Bible only has something like 30-40 thousand verses!
It's possibly OK to choose one desktop environment (WM, panel, etc) to support, but they need to include both KDE and Gnome libraries.
KDE apps are better in some areas, and Gnome apps are better in some.
AbiWord and Gnumeric beat the tar out of KOffice. Not to mention Gimp, XChat, and Pan; also the best in their fields.
Similarly, you have things like Scribus which requires Qt/KDE and has no Gnome/GTK equivalent. I also think KMail is the best mail program on Linux (every time I tried Evolution, it failed miserably).
So they need to include libraries and some applications from both environments. As Bill O'Reilly would say, "To not do so would be ridiculous."
Shipping hydrogen? As in through a continent-wide pipe network? Wouldn't it take a lot of energy to push it that far?
Don't forget PostgreSQL 7.4 (kick butt!), OpenOffice.org 1.1, and Gimp 1.4 (almost but usable)! These are all pretty major.
And 2004 looks nearly as good!
Right, except IIRC 2.4.10 is when they replaced the whole freeking VM whole-hog. I think it was .13 or .14 until it was really stabilizing. Some say up to .18 had SMP bugs.
.6 though I think.
:)
I had been using Red Hat 7.1 with XFS (2.4.3 or something) and got some nasty FS corruption. That was fixed by
As for me now,
nova etc # uname -a
Linux nova 2.6.0-test10 #1 SMP Mon Nov 24 22:57:08 PST 2003 i686 Pentium III (Coppermine) GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
nova etc # uptime
23:24:09 up 20 days, 1:21, 2 users, load average: 0.13, 0.18, 0.14
Don't really want to upgrade/reboot right now.
Why can't you test 2.6 on the same system as OpenBSD?
> Honestly, how can you moderate a discussion if you don't care about the topic?
/. editor's moderation abilities, they say they are MM'd unfair 10% of the time, as if that is good...)
It really just doesn't matter. Nothing at all will get hurt if a few mod points go unused. I think there are too many of them in the system anyway. I think the reason FOR expiring them far outweighs concern over loss of a few of them.
> Now some moderator accountability would be nice.
Yes. Metamoderation is a step in the right direction, but I'm not sure it's ideal. Oh well, probably can't do a lot better.
> Do you get feed-back from Meta Moderations?
Yeah, I get system messages saying whether my mods were fair or unfair. (And for the record, after many, many moderations, I believe I've only been MM'd unfair maybe 4 times. And somewhere in the FAQ about the
There is a reason for the "use em or lose em" policy. If you've read the moderator guidelines (or FAQ?), you'll notice it is because they don't want someone to sit on mod points until something comes up that they specifically want to mode up; i.e. for political reasons or whatever. I think it makes sense.
:) It was no more off-topic than its parent, and this discussion is worth having once in a while.
Now, if I could just send a flame note to the moderator that modded my last post in this thread offtopic.
No way.
If up-modding had no limit, here's what I predict would happen:
Relatively stupid posts near the top of the page would get like +10. Moderators would use more points on them, and would have less points for comments that came later. Therefore, the later comments may get even fewer up-mods, when they should be getting more.
See also the AC who replied to parent before me. I think his idea is actually reasonably good.
No, my users are all over the Net, using their local ISP mail servers.
Guess I could install a POP-before-SMTP type system.