Measurements of CO2 in the atmosphere have been continuous for almost 50 years at Mauna Loa Observatory
So 2 years of readings out of almost 50... that means that 1/25th, or 4% of all the measurements are these "high" values. If these numbers had shown up 10% of the time should there be panic? 5%? 4%?
Can you say insufficient data?
Today's message is brought to you by the numbers 2, 4, 50, and 100.
The scientific evidence that humans are affecting the climate with CO2 is as clear as day, and scientists who say otherwise are hired by special interest groups or oil companies. That article is true when it says that the effects we will have on climate aren't fully known, but the connection is there in a strong way.
The effects we will have on climate aren't fully known because the science has a lot of unknowns. Because the science has a lot of unknowns, the "predictions" of effects are very weak. This news item is just another example.
For other examples, look at the bible of Global Warming: the IPCC reports upon which the Kyoto Protocol is based. Kyoto is based on the 2nd IPCC report. Look at the 3rd IPCC report ("Third Assessment Report") and notice the mentions of "significant progress" since the second report. That means that a lot of stuff was unknown and they've learned a lot more -- but Kyoto is still based on the report before that stuff was known. Then move on to the mentions of existing "uncertainty". Advanced Understanding
The Honorable and Omnipotent Ruler Iron, dictator of Irony, has issued a dictate calling for the right hands of the administrators of Rackspace. Thus far the international community has failed to cooperate with this legally issued order.
Perhaps you're only hearing from scientists involved in the activism industry. There is plenty of doubt, it just isn't getting as much press as does "global warming". Try looking up how well understood are the effects of the major greenhouse gas. That's water vapor. That's not getting much press, is it? And there are plenty of things only recently learned about water vapor. Oh, and also clouds are not well understood -- look at your favorite picture of our planet and consider how much uncertainty that adds to the science.
Melting permafrost all over the world puntuates the obvious.
Do the Inuit have any scientific reports of what the permafrost was like a thousand years ago? They didn't move in to Greenland until a little later, when the Arctic ice reached far enough south to reach Greenland. It is not known how Vikings made maps of the north coast of Greenland around that time.
Coral reefs dying because ocean water temperature exceeds the survivable limit demonstrates.
The survivable limit for that type of coral inhabitant. Temperatures change and corals are repopulated by colonies which fare better at current temperatures. How old are those coral formations, and what does the record show about past climate changes?
Record climatic activity, heat waves, and large storm activity reflect the certainty, that the earth's ability to absorb more heat is at it's functional limit and we will soon begin seeing the kinds of disasters that can only happen when global thermal equilibrium completely breaks down.
Those records cover a brief period. What has the climate been like between recent glacial periods?
That or read the letters to the current national leadership from some of the most respected names in science in each months Scientific American.
How many of those people are experts in climate? Experts in statistics of climate records?
Worse, the amount of CO2 in the permafrost, is equal to or greater than the amount currently in the atmosphere. If the permafrost should succeed in completely melting, the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere would double in short order.
Now you're touching the edge of something. How much CO2 is that? How much CO2 moves into and out of the atmosphere due to natural activities? How much carbon is subducted inside the planet each year? Look at the size of those numbers and compare them to the numbers which you currently have.
Water is already increasing in the atmosphere (do to enhanced evaporation from rising temperatures), and water vapor itself is a greenhouse gas.
Oh, good, you noticed. And how well known are the effects of this? Does more water vapor produce more heating? Clouds which warm, or clouds which cool? Science doesn't know.
Detroit recently protested the new California Clean Air Standards saying that they would have to stop selling SUVs in CA, because it would be impossible to meet the standards with large motor, four wheel drive, vehicles.
Someone should point out thermal depolymerization to CA. Producing oil from carbon dioxide in the air (extracted by growing plants) means that when the oil is burned it is merely putting back in the air what came out of the air.
Political statement. Any warming increases the energy available for hurricanes.
Automobile windshield-induced warming of CDs causes increased warping of CD material. CDs are warped the same by toaster-induced warming or fireplace-induced warming.
Perhaps Google is merely detecting that "conservative" articles are more varied than others. There isn't much news about Kerry, and what little there is can only get repeated and lost in duplicate reduction.
Maybe Google also knows how to separate emotional statements from facts. That would also affect these results.
Gee, I guess my interest in XM just got reduced. The shows which I like are on the air when I have to be moving around and can't sit by a radio, so I was going to listen to them through an MP3 player.
Dump the heat to a radiator which has a guideway which beverage cans can pass through. Cooling of the radiator will be assisted by warming up the cold beverages. Use of the computer requires constant disposal of the beverages before they get too warm.
99 cans of beer in the desk,
99 cans of beer.
Take one out and pass it around,
98 cans of beer in the desk.
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Did anyone see Kenny? He was here a minute ago.
One doesn't see a gold ring like that every day.
So 2 years of readings out of almost 50... that means that 1/25th, or 4% of all the measurements are these "high" values. If these numbers had shown up 10% of the time should there be panic? 5%? 4%?
Can you say insufficient data?
Today's message is brought to you by the numbers 2, 4, 50, and 100.
The effects we will have on climate aren't fully known because the science has a lot of unknowns. Because the science has a lot of unknowns, the "predictions" of effects are very weak. This news item is just another example.
For other examples, look at the bible of Global Warming: the IPCC reports upon which the Kyoto Protocol is based. Kyoto is based on the 2nd IPCC report. Look at the 3rd IPCC report ("Third Assessment Report") and notice the mentions of "significant progress" since the second report. That means that a lot of stuff was unknown and they've learned a lot more -- but Kyoto is still based on the report before that stuff was known. Then move on to the mentions of existing "uncertainty". Advanced Understanding
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Spend $100 on eBay for an old slow laptop. Put Linux on it. Be carefree during your vacation with your throwaway laptop.
The Honorable and Omnipotent Ruler Iron, dictator of Irony, has issued a dictate calling for the right hands of the administrators of Rackspace. Thus far the international community has failed to cooperate with this legally issued order.
He's speaking Australian, not English.
walkabout
Space is big. Really, really BIG.
Melting permafrost all over the world puntuates the obvious.
Do the Inuit have any scientific reports of what the permafrost was like a thousand years ago? They didn't move in to Greenland until a little later, when the Arctic ice reached far enough south to reach Greenland. It is not known how Vikings made maps of the north coast of Greenland around that time.
Coral reefs dying because ocean water temperature exceeds the survivable limit demonstrates.
The survivable limit for that type of coral inhabitant. Temperatures change and corals are repopulated by colonies which fare better at current temperatures. How old are those coral formations, and what does the record show about past climate changes?
Record climatic activity, heat waves, and large storm activity reflect the certainty, that the earth's ability to absorb more heat is at it's functional limit and we will soon begin seeing the kinds of disasters that can only happen when global thermal equilibrium completely breaks down.
Those records cover a brief period. What has the climate been like between recent glacial periods?
That or read the letters to the current national leadership from some of the most respected names in science in each months Scientific American.
How many of those people are experts in climate? Experts in statistics of climate records?
Worse, the amount of CO2 in the permafrost, is equal to or greater than the amount currently in the atmosphere. If the permafrost should succeed in completely melting, the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere would double in short order.
Now you're touching the edge of something. How much CO2 is that? How much CO2 moves into and out of the atmosphere due to natural activities? How much carbon is subducted inside the planet each year? Look at the size of those numbers and compare them to the numbers which you currently have.
Water is already increasing in the atmosphere (do to enhanced evaporation from rising temperatures), and water vapor itself is a greenhouse gas.
Oh, good, you noticed. And how well known are the effects of this? Does more water vapor produce more heating? Clouds which warm, or clouds which cool? Science doesn't know.
Detroit recently protested the new California Clean Air Standards saying that they would have to stop selling SUVs in CA, because it would be impossible to meet the standards with large motor, four wheel drive, vehicles.
Someone should point out thermal depolymerization to CA. Producing oil from carbon dioxide in the air (extracted by growing plants) means that when the oil is burned it is merely putting back in the air what came out of the air.
Political statement.
Any warming increases the energy available for hurricanes.
Automobile windshield-induced warming of CDs causes increased warping of CD material. CDs are warped the same by toaster-induced warming or fireplace-induced warming.
I was wondering about impacts at speeds which vaporize steel, and how large a soft object would have to be in order to have any effect.
What are you implying?
That only reflects upon the current batch of moderators, not the entire readership.
Okay, okay.
I'll go pick it up.
Maybe Google also knows how to separate emotional statements from facts. That would also affect these results.
(Oddly, /. itself at first thought that I should not see this article either...)
"Not again."
"Not recommended for fruit-bearing plants."
It's just the investigators of the train explosion doing a reenactment.
"I left all my encryption keys at the Security screen."
Point camera at radio.
Do OCR of what is playing.
Gee, I guess my interest in XM just got reduced. The shows which I like are on the air when I have to be moving around and can't sit by a radio, so I was going to listen to them through an MP3 player.
99 cans of beer in the desk,
99 cans of beer.
Take one out and pass it around,
98 cans of beer in the desk.