Notice that I didn't dismiss that this was a good thing in anyway. As I said this is great news. I just found that permanent solution part to be at best useless fluff. 25 years can be a long time in medical tech. One can hope that this really isn't his permanent solution.
That all closed source software is "immoral" I see it as a way to finance development. It costs money to develop software. Not all software development by the "customize and support" methode that a lot of open source projects can use. I feel their is room for both Open Source and Closed. RMS doesn't.
I remember when I was taking ninth grade biology back when dirt was a new idea. I read in my textbook about Bacteriophages. I thought those sound so cool. I wanted to study them as treatments. My teacher told me that would be a waste of time and they they would never work. I tried to look them up but couldn't find any information on them. This was back in 1978. Funny but now they are an area of research. What we have learned from this is just how much things have changed. If I had had access to the Internet back the and if we would have had the World Wide Web I might have found out just enough to have gone into that field and not CS. Thanks for all your info. It makes sense but it still sucks. Seems like the only solution really would be to create brand new anti biotic with function in ways that have not been seen in nature before. The problem then will be making sure they don't kill the host. What fun since we are not 100% sure we know how human work yet.
" It is a permanent solution offering as much as 25 years of life and is powered by a battery worn as a belt." Let's see 15 years old plus 25 years means 40. That is not really a normal life span. Yes this is great news but not what I would call a permanent solution. But even if it only worked for a year it is sort of permanent.
Well you may be differences but the rabid RMS followers feel that selling software is immoral. The really bad ones will the use it to justify piracy or if you must violation of the authors distribution license. Then try to pretend that they are being noble when they simply want Left4Dead but don't want to pay for it. My opinion is that GPL is great but that people still have the right to not release their code under it.
Only a tiny percentage of people use Emacs. Programers have the option of Vi, Eclipse.org, Netbeans, XCode, Notepad++, and any number of other free as in speech or beer IDEs. Think of all the software that is available under the GPL including Linux. Then think of all the software written using GCC.
While I do not agree with RMS's extremist dogmatic view that all software should be free, I tend to believe there is room for both models. I also really dislike his devoted followers. But I will say this about him. GPL was important in influenced a lot of people including myself to write and contribute free software. Emacs while I do not use it is a very powerful editor/ide/os/religion. GCC is wonderful and I use it often. And about the man himself. I wrote him an email once and he actually took the time to respond to me. I didn't agree with him but he was polite and passonate in his view point. I will say that my opinion of RMS is he is a gentalman that I respect but have an honest difference in opinion with.
Bacteria do travel from people to animals don't they? They are not like viruses and their must be some that are common to both. If so then I would think that just the people coming and going at all would produce some cross contamination. You would almost have to seal them in a bubble to have zero.
You are probably correct. I hate biology as a whole it is messy. Dang that sucks because I was thinking that combination treatments would also reduce the likelihood of resistant strains. If you gave two or three different drugs then you would have to be immune to all of them to survive.
Yea that will work... Here is an example of why everything will not be a torrent. I work for a small software development firm that develops vertical market software. Our customers don't know to copy a file in windows or attach files to email without out calling our tech support.
So no. We are not going to tell people that they can download a program to download a torrent! Good heavens if we did that then we would have to support that program as well! Yes before everybody does this we will need it built in. Even then I doubt that for our customer base that it will be of any help. Not enough people with properly configured routers to do this.
It is unlikely that a college student did this. 1. They would have to know what type of PLCs Iran is using. 2. They would have to have access to the the control system and PLCs to test on. It is very unlikely any one person has those resources. You know when you are are trying to find out who did something you look for. 1. Means. 2. Motive. 3. Opportunity.
One should first rule out the most likely before trying the least likely.
Well let's make a list of the countries that have the resources to do this and the motivation. 1 The US. 2. Israel. We know both of their motivations but I can think of a lot more. 3. India. A nuclear Pakistan is bad enough without a Nuclear Iran. 4. Russia. Blow up some stuff sell them new stuff. Repeat until rich. Plus Russia has no real desire to have a nuclear Iran on it's door step. 5. Saudi Arabia. They have the money and no Love for Iran. 6. France. They where allies with Iraq durring the Iraq Iran war. They don't want Iran to be a member of the Nuclear Club. 7, Germany. The PLC where made by a German company. They have no desire to see Iran have nukes. In fact you can put all of Europe down as have both the motivation and the ability "Okay maybe not Luxembourg" to pull off this attack. And most of the Middle East as well has motivation and a team of CS majors with a hacking talent can not be that hard to find. 8. China. They are now a world power. They do not need Iran trying to stir up trouble. 9. The UK. I mean really that should be a given. So about the only nations with a large industrial base and high levels of education that I would rule out are. Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Africa and Brazil. And frankly any one of them could have done it just to defuse the issue and try to stop a nuclear war in the middle east. Frankly I don't think that Israel or the US would have put a date in pointing to Israel. Now Russia on the other had I could see doing it. But it is all guess work with no proof at this point.
That would assume that the microbes are limited to that farm and never come from outside sources and that the humans at the farm do not take any antibiotics. Maybe you do have a free lunch with those genes which will really suck.
Any Democrats running in. Florida Alabama Mississippi Louisiana Texas and California
Will thank him from the bottom of their unelected hearts. Hey and the Economy is so good what is 20,000 plus jobs I am sure they will find work again. I bet if you want to buy a house in Melbourne FL you can get a great deal now as well.
The sad thing is that is one campaign promise he is keeping.
I said in the world. I will make it simple for you. Take all the computer users in the world and count how many of them use each browser... IE is used by the majority of people. Okay say you live in a country where IE isn't the most used browser. Say only 30% of your users use it. Are you going to not support them? Well by that logic then you sure shouldn't bother testing with Opera as well. As to being a shitty sysadmin? What? This has do with being a webmaster, web designer, or web admin. And you low grade idiot a good web designer tests with IE, Firefox, Opera, Chrome, and Safari. Not to mention Android mobile browser and the Safari mobile. Good thing is all the usable mobile browsers are webkit now so usually if it works with Safari it works for all the mobile browsers. Os over all you have no freaking idea what the heck you are talking about. I give you no quarter just as I gave the idiot web designers at my company no quarter when they showed me pages that failed under Firefox but worked under IE. You support everything you can when you do web work including IE.
No. A lot of people use IE. It comes standard on Windows. For any web technology to be mainstream it must be available in IE, Safari, FireFox, and Chrome. Firefox, Chrome, and Opera will adopt it quickly because Google will make it free. Apple probably will adopt it quickly. Microsoft..... You may not like it but the simple fact is that IE is still the number one browser in the world. It sucks but you must support it. It really is that simple.
actually We should "rest" antibiotic then the superbugs should loose their resistance. Since their will be no evolutionary pressure to maintain resistance it should reduce over time. Part of the problem is that we then start giving them to farm animals because they are cheap.
And think about it and electric English car! Did Lucas do the electrics? If so wow! Or as Peter Egan once said. "One day in when I was serving in Viet Nam the jeep I and just parked got hit by a mortar round. It was the only car I ever had that spontaneously exploded what wasn't English."
Well at 205 MPH nothing that isn't an airplane is really all that safe. Imagine on any car at 205 MPH having a bearing go or a tire? Having one electric motor fail? Actually probably not that bad of problem. Once you detect a motor failure then have the computer shut down on of the motors on the other side. You would also probably want to increase the drag as well so you would raise the spoiler. Of all the failures at speed that seems like a pretty tame and easy to deal issue. Of course at 205 MPH you better be on a track or closed circuit of some kind or else you will end up jail for a while or at the very least having to pay massive fines or bribes.
Except for all the photo sites. Just like YouTube the can transcode the images "most already do to make thumbnails". For them saving the bandwidth and storage costs may make it very worthwhile. The problem will be waiting for Microsoft to support it.
I think that everyone is missing the point here. You got it backward. He said we MAY never find it. Not that we will never. If anything he is being more humble with age and less arrogant and not more.
While you will get a load of crap for your comment it has some value. The good news and where you are off is that UNIX of today "Linux" isn't the same as the Unix of 70s, 80s, 90s. Unix is kind of like a B-52. Bits and pieces have been updated over time.
The real issue has to do with stagnation. Most OS's today are based on Unix. Linux, BSD, and OS/X are all based on Unix. Windows is probably at least in sprit based on VMS but I don't see a lot of it in Windows. Real interest in new OS's seems to be limited to what we can stick into our current OS's. The reason is that none of use want to give up our software base. As far as c goes. It is fine in the hands of a skilled programer. There is no real demanding technical reason to move away from c. c like Unix has also adapted and now has such nice features as STL and has been extened into Objective C and C++.
Or if density keeps doubling every 18 months. AMD has a 12 core chip now. In three years we will hit 48. Of course they may not rev that fast or increase cache instead of cores.
Ford was at one time a huge military contractor. They even had a division called Ford Aerospace. Also people forget that in the 60s and 70s the big three where using a pretty large percentage of the computers and tech in business. Also back then NAT wasn't around yet.
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Notice that I didn't dismiss that this was a good thing in anyway. As I said this is great news. I just found that permanent solution part to be at best useless fluff. 25 years can be a long time in medical tech. One can hope that this really isn't his permanent solution.
That all closed source software is "immoral"
I see it as a way to finance development.
It costs money to develop software. Not all software development by the "customize and support" methode that a lot of open source projects can use.
I feel their is room for both Open Source and Closed. RMS doesn't.
Then it isn't a permanent solution is it?
And that is the reason why I hate biology.
I remember when I was taking ninth grade biology back when dirt was a new idea. I read in my textbook about Bacteriophages. I thought those sound so cool. I wanted to study them as treatments. My teacher told me that would be a waste of time and they they would never work. I tried to look them up but couldn't find any information on them. This was back in 1978.
Funny but now they are an area of research.
What we have learned from this is just how much things have changed. If I had had access to the Internet back the and if we would have had the World Wide Web I might have found out just enough to have gone into that field and not CS.
Thanks for all your info. It makes sense but it still sucks. Seems like the only solution really would be to create brand new anti biotic with function in ways that have not been seen in nature before. The problem then will be making sure they don't kill the host.
What fun since we are not 100% sure we know how human work yet.
" It is a permanent solution offering as much as 25 years of life and is powered by a battery worn as a belt."
Let's see 15 years old plus 25 years means 40.
That is not really a normal life span. Yes this is great news but not what I would call a permanent solution. But even if it only worked for a year it is sort of permanent.
Well you may be differences but the rabid RMS followers feel that selling software is immoral. The really bad ones will the use it to justify piracy or if you must violation of the authors distribution license. Then try to pretend that they are being noble when they simply want Left4Dead but don't want to pay for it.
My opinion is that GPL is great but that people still have the right to not release their code under it.
Only a tiny percentage of people use Emacs.
Programers have the option of Vi, Eclipse.org, Netbeans, XCode, Notepad++, and any number of other free as in speech or beer IDEs.
Think of all the software that is available under the GPL including Linux.
Then think of all the software written using GCC.
While I do not agree with RMS's extremist dogmatic view that all software should be free, I tend to believe there is room for both models. I also really dislike his devoted followers.
But I will say this about him.
GPL was important in influenced a lot of people including myself to write and contribute free software. Emacs while I do not use it is a very powerful editor/ide/os/religion. GCC is wonderful and I use it often. And about the man himself. I wrote him an email once and he actually took the time to respond to me. I didn't agree with him but he was polite and passonate in his view point. I will say that my opinion of RMS is he is a gentalman that I respect but have an honest difference in opinion with.
Bacteria do travel from people to animals don't they? They are not like viruses and their must be some that are common to both.
If so then I would think that just the people coming and going at all would produce some cross contamination. You would almost have to seal them in a bubble to have zero.
You are probably correct. I hate biology as a whole it is messy.
Dang that sucks because I was thinking that combination treatments would also reduce the likelihood of resistant strains.
If you gave two or three different drugs then you would have to be immune to all of them to survive.
Maybe bacteriophage are the way to go.
Yea that will work...
Here is an example of why everything will not be a torrent.
I work for a small software development firm that develops vertical market software.
Our customers don't know to copy a file in windows or attach files to email without out calling our tech support.
So no. We are not going to tell people that they can download a program to download a torrent!
Good heavens if we did that then we would have to support that program as well!
Yes before everybody does this we will need it built in. Even then I doubt that for our customer base that it will be of any help.
Not enough people with properly configured routers to do this.
You mean like when the local video store put Apollo 13 in the SciFi section.
Hey it was about space and rockets.
It is unlikely that a college student did this.
1. They would have to know what type of PLCs Iran is using.
2. They would have to have access to the the control system and PLCs to test on.
It is very unlikely any one person has those resources.
You know when you are are trying to find out who did something you look for.
1. Means.
2. Motive.
3. Opportunity.
One should first rule out the most likely before trying the least likely.
Well let's make a list of the countries that have the resources to do this and the motivation.
1 The US.
2. Israel.
We know both of their motivations but I can think of a lot more.
3. India. A nuclear Pakistan is bad enough without a Nuclear Iran.
4. Russia. Blow up some stuff sell them new stuff. Repeat until rich. Plus Russia has no real desire to have a nuclear Iran on it's door step.
5. Saudi Arabia. They have the money and no Love for Iran.
6. France. They where allies with Iraq durring the Iraq Iran war. They don't want Iran to be a member of the Nuclear Club.
7, Germany. The PLC where made by a German company. They have no desire to see Iran have nukes.
In fact you can put all of Europe down as have both the motivation and the ability "Okay maybe not Luxembourg" to pull off this attack.
And most of the Middle East as well has motivation and a team of CS majors with a hacking talent can not be that hard to find.
8. China. They are now a world power. They do not need Iran trying to stir up trouble.
9. The UK. I mean really that should be a given.
So about the only nations with a large industrial base and high levels of education that I would rule out are.
Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Africa and Brazil. And frankly any one of them could have done it just to defuse the issue and try to stop a nuclear war in the middle east.
Frankly I don't think that Israel or the US would have put a date in pointing to Israel.
Now Russia on the other had I could see doing it. But it is all guess work with no proof at this point.
I am talking detroit type deals here. As in close to free.
That would assume that the microbes are limited to that farm and never come from outside sources and that the humans at the farm do not take any antibiotics.
Maybe you do have a free lunch with those genes which will really suck.
Any Democrats running in.
Florida
Alabama
Mississippi
Louisiana
Texas
and
California
Will thank him from the bottom of their unelected hearts.
Hey and the Economy is so good what is 20,000 plus jobs I am sure they will find work again.
I bet if you want to buy a house in Melbourne FL you can get a great deal now as well.
The sad thing is that is one campaign promise he is keeping.
I said in the world. I will make it simple for you. Take all the computer users in the world and count how many of them use each browser...
IE is used by the majority of people.
Okay say you live in a country where IE isn't the most used browser. Say only 30% of your users use it.
Are you going to not support them? Well by that logic then you sure shouldn't bother testing with Opera as well.
As to being a shitty sysadmin? What?
This has do with being a webmaster, web designer, or web admin. And you low grade idiot a good web designer tests with IE, Firefox, Opera, Chrome, and Safari.
Not to mention Android mobile browser and the Safari mobile. Good thing is all the usable mobile browsers are webkit now so usually if it works with Safari it works for all the mobile browsers.
Os over all you have no freaking idea what the heck you are talking about. I give you no quarter just as I gave the idiot web designers at my company no quarter when they showed me pages that failed under Firefox but worked under IE.
You support everything you can when you do web work including IE.
No.
A lot of people use IE. It comes standard on Windows. For any web technology to be mainstream it must be available in IE, Safari, FireFox, and Chrome.
Firefox, Chrome, and Opera will adopt it quickly because Google will make it free.
Apple probably will adopt it quickly.
Microsoft.....
You may not like it but the simple fact is that IE is still the number one browser in the world. It sucks but you must support it.
It really is that simple.
actually We should "rest" antibiotic then the superbugs should loose their resistance. Since their will be no evolutionary pressure to maintain resistance it should reduce over time.
Part of the problem is that we then start giving them to farm animals because they are cheap.
And think about it and electric English car! Did Lucas do the electrics? If so wow!
Or as Peter Egan once said.
"One day in when I was serving in Viet Nam the jeep I and just parked got hit by a mortar round. It was the only car I ever had that spontaneously exploded what wasn't English."
Well at 205 MPH nothing that isn't an airplane is really all that safe.
Imagine on any car at 205 MPH having a bearing go or a tire?
Having one electric motor fail? Actually probably not that bad of problem. Once you detect a motor failure then have the computer shut down on of the motors on the other side. You would also probably want to increase the drag as well so you would raise the spoiler. Of all the failures at speed that seems like a pretty tame and easy to deal issue.
Of course at 205 MPH you better be on a track or closed circuit of some kind or else you will end up jail for a while or at the very least having to pay massive fines or bribes.
Except for all the photo sites. Just like YouTube the can transcode the images "most already do to make thumbnails". For them saving the bandwidth and storage costs may make it very worthwhile.
The problem will be waiting for Microsoft to support it.
I think that everyone is missing the point here. You got it backward.
He said we MAY never find it. Not that we will never. If anything he is being more humble with age and less arrogant and not more.
While you will get a load of crap for your comment it has some value.
The good news and where you are off is that UNIX of today "Linux" isn't the same as the Unix of 70s, 80s, 90s.
Unix is kind of like a B-52. Bits and pieces have been updated over time.
The real issue has to do with stagnation. Most OS's today are based on Unix. Linux, BSD, and OS/X are all based on Unix. Windows is probably at least in sprit based on VMS but I don't see a lot of it in Windows.
Real interest in new OS's seems to be limited to what we can stick into our current OS's. The reason is that none of use want to give up our software base.
As far as c goes. It is fine in the hands of a skilled programer. There is no real demanding technical reason to move away from c. c like Unix has also adapted and now has such nice features as STL and has been extened into Objective C and C++.
Or if density keeps doubling every 18 months. AMD has a 12 core chip now. In three years we will hit 48. Of course they may not rev that fast or increase cache instead of cores.
Ford was at one time a huge military contractor. They even had a division called Ford Aerospace. Also people forget that in the 60s and 70s the big three where using a pretty large percentage of the computers and tech in business. Also back then NAT wasn't around yet.