You see that is where you have it wrong. Your saying things and not reading things that I wrote. Yep if they are doing real science and not endangering anyone any more than they have to then yes that is fine. However! Let me repost the part that you missed or didn't understand. "I would say that most of these folk should get the heck off the rode and let the professionals have their crack at getting real data that might actually end up helping people. Otherwise they are just using their right to be dumb jerks to hurt the advancement of science for in exchange for some thrill seeking."
Notice I said most of these folks should get off the road. Not all but most. The unskilled and the masses of people that just want a cool picture are doing more harm than good. They should exercise good judgment and get off the road.
Guess what? In science you are not worth anything unless you have paid your dues. Simple truth. Now those dues don't have to be sitting in a classroom. But those dues MUST include study and following real scientific methods. All scientists worth anything pay those does. Including great amateur scientists. If you don't pay those dues are nothing but a rank armature.
But let's be honest. The real storm chasers are probably not the problem. It the people that watched Stormchasers on TV and think it looks like fun. Also so what if the scientists have jumped onto the bandwagon? Are they doing real science that helps people? Then it is a good thing.
And they are not claiming the roads or the storms. They are asking people to not get in their way or endanger them while they are collecting data. Seems all too reasonable to me.
Um actually the German Army didn't commit many war crimes at all. The crimes where most often committed by the SS and Gestapo and no the evidence is that Hitler did not practice the Catholic faith at all but that he practiced paganism. As did the SS and Gestapo. The SS really where supposed to be Nordic knights pledged not to the Cross of Christ but to the Iron Cross of the Swastika which was taken form Hindus. Heck even the very idea of the Aryan super race is total counter christian ideals! I love the way you dismiss the atheist murders as well. If you are going to do try and post about this at least have a history channel level knowledge about WWII. The SS was not part of the German Army the where a separate group that fought along side the German Army. They had their own chain of command as well. It was German army officers that actually tried to kill Hitler and it was the SS that ran the death camps. In fact many in the German Army joined the plot to kill Hitler because of the death camps. When it comes down to it for the most part the German Army and Navy where just solders defending their nation. The SS where murderous scum that ran the death camps And the SS where not Christian at all. They where pagan.
He may have been born Catholic but he sure didn't practice is it. Guess what Nazism was at it's heart a Pagan religion. All the symbols and rituals where based on paganism. BTW I would never claim that all pagans where evil Nazis but all true Nazi's where pagans. And while I am not Catholic I would like to point out that many of the Germans that opposed Hitler where German Catholics. Also that many of the people that snuggled and hid Jews where also Catholic.
Over all if you count up the deaths caused by pagan governments "Nazi's and Roman's" and the ones caused by Atheist governments, "Stalins USSR, China, Cambodia, and North Korea" and do the math you will find the Juda Christian death toll is actually very low in comparison. Also Pakistan isn't in the middle east.
Actually this guy might be a moderate. No wait hear me out on this. Does anyone think they will actually kill Mark Zuckenberg? There is no way. So there are only two reasons to do this. 1. To show that the courts will not convict an evil westerner or 2. To show just how outlandish these laws are.
Frankly I would rule out number one. This is just too silly and ham handed of a stunt to be effective in number one. At best it would play well only with the most extreme and they are already on your side and will push the center and left away from you. Totally counter productive IMHO On the other hand this could push the center, the left and even the moderate extremists more towards some moderation.
I just wouldn't bet that anybody in any kind of power is so stupid as to try and pull off the first tactic.
I doubt that many of these folk will become scientists. Why they have the right to be stupid let's be honest. 1. This is a dangerous activity. 2. They have caused issues with scientists trying to do proper data collection. 3. They could cause problems for first responders trying to help people. So yes the have the right but is it ethical or even morally right to get in the way of real scientists? I would say that most of these folk should get the heck off the rode and let the professionals have their crack at getting real data that might actually end up helping people. Otherwise they are just using their right to be dumb jerks to hurt the advancement of science for in exchange for some thrill seeking.
What? Really? What? Don't Nintendo, HP and Microsoft produce just as many ads? Really this level of mindless hate boy is every bit as annoying as mindless fan boy!
1. In the US you have very little choice in carrier. Lots of phones are exclusive to the carrier. You can not get a Droid on Sprint, and Evo on TMobile or a G1 on Verizon. 2. Some people feel that having Apple as a gate keeper is a benifit. Many people feel that Atari failed and the Video game market crashed back in the 80s because of the influx of really bad games. 3. All cell phone makers dictate what you can load on their phones. You can not put WinMo on a Samsung Moment.
Apple doesn't dictate you choices for you. There isn't an Apple police that will make you by an iPhone. What are get modded down for is ranting. While your complaints are pretty valid they are also universal as far as Cell Phones. By singling out the iPhone are are being a hate boy instead of a fan boy. Even Android has some restrictions on what they will put in the store. If you don't like Apple don't buy or develop for the iPhone there fixed that for you. BTW I do not own an iPhone or a modern mac. I have a Mac+ that I keep around just for fun.
Take ICQ for example. It was the IM for a while until AOL came out with AIM and everybody and their dog got on AIM. But why did they complete with themselves? ICQ actually had some games built in that allowed for multi player and api to write more games for it. AOL never went anywhere with that. Engadget is kind of funny. It is as about anti AOL as anything I have ever seen. I had hopes that when AOL merged with Time Warner and bought launch they where going to produce what eventually became Hulu but even cooler. They had content and distribution but they even blew that one sky high.
Pompous yes insufferably not really. In many ways he had the first tech blog. It was just on paper. His opinions where interesting at the time. He was all about usability and reliability when most people where all rapped up in the latest shinny new toys. I often was in total disagreement with him but at the same time I never missed his column. If nothing else he introduced me to both Unix and TurboPascal way back in 1982-83 he kept saying that someday Unix will be the OS. He claimed that somebody just had to put a friendly UI on it. Thanks to him I spend a lot of money on OS text books all about Unix and VMS. Also back when you had the first generation flamewars with folks saying Commodore rulz and Atari rulz I could shut down the war with simply saying Unix is the best! Where the conversation stopped and people would ask "what's Unix?"
I read a couple of them and found it actually pretty uninteresting. Very little real hacking just a lot of history and politics. But if you like it great.
Yep that was number one on my list. You might want to add Nuts and Volts as well. Oh and the entire internet for software. I really miss Byte:( Oh and this as well http://www.chaosmanorreviews.com/
"Unless you have many servers, it is cheaper to throw money at the problem in the form of physical RAM before you start thinking about problems like this." You are thinking just about a single instance. You may be right for a single instance but that is not the right way to think about writing code. If his performance claims are true then this is well worth it. He used this in a web proxy. The first place that used this web proxy saved no less then 75% of the resources needed for the task. Multiply that by however many people can use that proxy and you get a lot of savings in power used and machines needed to get the same task done. This is one of the great but often under achieved potentials in FOSS. Hopefully this can be applied to other tasks. Maybe even in the STL. Once that happens you have a classic case of "a rising tide lifts all boats." This kind of optimistically is exactly what should be done. The enter idea behind first structured and now OOP is code reuse. That ideal really is or should be at the heart of FOSS and frankly of CS in general.
Actually if you look at my post I said that FSpot also failed for my wife. You are right but not being written in Mono isn't a feature if the program is broken or lacks vital features. Not supporting png for example is a vital feature. My point is that what it is written or not written in doesn't matter. What matters for all software should be. 1. Feature completeness. Does it have the features that the tasks requires. 2. Usability. Does it make more work than it solves? 3. Reliability and last is 4. Value. Is it worth the price and effort. Only when those minimums are meet do you have a good solution. Everything else is just a problem.
Well then again it the ops are very small they may all fit in cache on the Xeon. Yes having more cpus may actually have a higher performance but then how would say 2048 Cortex A9s do then? Of course you will have to use Linux on the Arm CPUS but then for a server that isn't usually an issue.
According to the wired article they use a custom chip set. From the article “If you just replace the chips in a traditional server with Atom processors, the power consumption actually goes up,” says Feldman.
Integrating features such as storage, networking and server management into a single ASIC (application specific integrated circuit) helps manage power better, says the company. It has also virtualized the CPU input-output so those modules that would have otherwise occupied space on a board and consumed power don’t anymore.
For performance I would wonder how this would have worked with say Cortex A9 cores instead of Atom D520s. Also you really might have done even better with Opterons.
So I must ask why this over Operons, Xeons, or Arm?
But it is mono free... So who cares if it doesn't do what you need to do. It is mono free! Folk's what we have here is a problem. Functionality is more important to users than is philosophy. My wife does digital scrapbooking. She is very good about it and is works with several designers and stores. They actually give her their stuff to use in layouts for others to see. Yes everyone knows she is working with stuff given to her and it is all very proper. She is well known for using GIMP. She however can not move to Linux because of a few programs. FSpot didn't cut it for her. This program will also not work for her. http://www.acdsee.com/ is the program she uses and loves. She can not live without it for digital scrapbooking so she is stuck on Windows. If it doesn't do the job then free doesn't matter. What really doesn't matter is being free of mono!
Flash as an idea isn't bad. Flash as a only sorta open system is terrible. The fact that it is IMPOSSIBLE to write a FOSS flash player that will play 100 of the flash content on the market means it is a not an open standard no matter what Adobe or anyone says. I don't own apple products outside of an iPod touch that I use to listen to podcasts with. My cell phone is an Android Samsung Moment and my PCs run Windows and Linux.
But Flash isn't an open standard it is as simple as that. And I still do not have Flash for my mobile phone. And my wife still doesn't have Flash for her Palm Pre.
Yea we can put men on the moon but... No wait we can't anymore. And for many posters on slashdot we never could in their lifetime. Of course we could fall back to the other old saying. We should stop spending money on space and use it to feed the hungry... "put your cause in here" We did and did that make anything better? I fear that we have lost our way. We no longer care about the stars in the sky. We only care about the stars on TV. Oh brave new world has such people in it. As long as get your bread and circuses we will be happy. Or our daily Soma if you like. Good night all the future has left the building.
The fact that parts of FLASH are not published shows that it isn't a completely open standard. Say what want but if you can not write a FOSS player that will play everything it isn't open.
Even you will not post without being an AC because you know your full of it.
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You see that is where you have it wrong.
Your saying things and not reading things that I wrote.
Yep if they are doing real science and not endangering anyone any more than they have to then yes that is fine.
However!
Let me repost the part that you missed or didn't understand.
"I would say that most of these folk should get the heck off the rode and let the professionals have their crack at getting real data that might actually end up helping people.
Otherwise they are just using their right to be dumb jerks to hurt the advancement of science for in exchange for some thrill seeking."
Notice I said most of these folks should get off the road.
Not all but most. The unskilled and the masses of people that just want a cool picture are doing more harm than good.
They should exercise good judgment and get off the road.
Guess what?
In science you are not worth anything unless you have paid your dues.
Simple truth.
Now those dues don't have to be sitting in a classroom.
But those dues MUST include study and following real scientific methods.
All scientists worth anything pay those does. Including great amateur scientists.
If you don't pay those dues are nothing but a rank armature.
But let's be honest.
The real storm chasers are probably not the problem. It the people that watched Stormchasers on TV and think it looks like fun.
Also so what if the scientists have jumped onto the bandwagon? Are they doing real science that helps people? Then it is a good thing.
And they are not claiming the roads or the storms. They are asking people to not get in their way or endanger them while they are collecting data.
Seems all too reasonable to me.
Um actually the German Army didn't commit many war crimes at all.
The crimes where most often committed by the SS and Gestapo and no the evidence is that Hitler did not practice the Catholic faith at all but that he practiced paganism. As did the SS and Gestapo. The SS really where supposed to be Nordic knights pledged not to the Cross of Christ but to the Iron Cross of the Swastika which was taken form Hindus. Heck even the very idea of the Aryan super race is total counter christian ideals!
I love the way you dismiss the atheist murders as well.
If you are going to do try and post about this at least have a history channel level knowledge about WWII.
The SS was not part of the German Army the where a separate group that fought along side the German Army. They had their own chain of command as well. It was German army officers that actually tried to kill Hitler and it was the SS that ran the death camps.
In fact many in the German Army joined the plot to kill Hitler because of the death camps.
When it comes down to it for the most part the German Army and Navy where just solders defending their nation. The SS where murderous scum that ran the death camps
And the SS where not Christian at all. They where pagan.
He may have been born Catholic but he sure didn't practice is it.
Guess what Nazism was at it's heart a Pagan religion. All the symbols and rituals where based on paganism. BTW I would never claim that all pagans where evil Nazis but all true Nazi's where pagans.
And while I am not Catholic I would like to point out that many of the Germans that opposed Hitler where German Catholics. Also that many of the people that snuggled and hid Jews where also Catholic.
Over all if you count up the deaths caused by pagan governments "Nazi's and Roman's" and the ones caused by Atheist governments, "Stalins USSR, China, Cambodia, and North Korea" and do the math you will find the Juda Christian death toll is actually very low in comparison.
Also Pakistan isn't in the middle east.
Actually this guy might be a moderate.
No wait hear me out on this.
Does anyone think they will actually kill Mark Zuckenberg?
There is no way.
So there are only two reasons to do this.
1. To show that the courts will not convict an evil westerner
or
2. To show just how outlandish these laws are.
Frankly I would rule out number one. This is just too silly and ham handed of a stunt to be effective in number one. At best it would play well only with the most extreme and they are already on your side and will push the center and left away from you. Totally counter productive IMHO
On the other hand this could push the center, the left and even the moderate extremists more towards some moderation.
I just wouldn't bet that anybody in any kind of power is so stupid as to try and pull off the first tactic.
I doubt that many of these folk will become scientists.
Why they have the right to be stupid let's be honest.
1. This is a dangerous activity.
2. They have caused issues with scientists trying to do proper data collection.
3. They could cause problems for first responders trying to help people.
So yes the have the right but is it ethical or even morally right to get in the way of real scientists?
I would say that most of these folk should get the heck off the rode and let the professionals have their crack at getting real data that might actually end up helping people.
Otherwise they are just using their right to be dumb jerks to hurt the advancement of science for in exchange for some thrill seeking.
What?
Really? What?
Don't Nintendo, HP and Microsoft produce just as many ads?
Really this level of mindless hate boy is every bit as annoying as mindless fan boy!
You got modded down for the Foxconn bit sparky.
Foxconn build stuff for HP, Cisco, Nintendo, and I think Microsoft.
That comment was clearly a troll and unbalanced. So yea it was both a flamebait and a troll.
Get over the persecution complex.
1. In the US you have very little choice in carrier. Lots of phones are exclusive to the carrier. You can not get a Droid on Sprint, and Evo on TMobile or a G1 on Verizon.
2. Some people feel that having Apple as a gate keeper is a benifit. Many people feel that Atari failed and the Video game market crashed back in the 80s because of the influx of really bad games.
3. All cell phone makers dictate what you can load on their phones. You can not put WinMo on a Samsung Moment.
Apple doesn't dictate you choices for you. There isn't an Apple police that will make you by an iPhone.
What are get modded down for is ranting.
While your complaints are pretty valid they are also universal as far as Cell Phones. By singling out the iPhone are are being a hate boy instead of a fan boy. Even Android has some restrictions on what they will put in the store.
If you don't like Apple don't buy or develop for the iPhone there fixed that for you.
BTW I do not own an iPhone or a modern mac. I have a Mac+ that I keep around just for fun.
By the late 90s it was really dieing on the vine.
But the 80s and early 90s where great.
Take ICQ for example. It was the IM for a while until AOL came out with AIM and everybody and their dog got on AIM. But why did they complete with themselves?
ICQ actually had some games built in that allowed for multi player and api to write more games for it. AOL never went anywhere with that.
Engadget is kind of funny. It is as about anti AOL as anything I have ever seen.
I had hopes that when AOL merged with Time Warner and bought launch they where going to produce what eventually became Hulu but even cooler. They had content and distribution but they even blew that one sky high.
You should have gotten Transactor. They published them in assembly!
Yes you could have actually learned something from them.
Pompous yes insufferably not really.
In many ways he had the first tech blog. It was just on paper. His opinions where interesting at the time. He was all about usability and reliability when most people where all rapped up in the latest shinny new toys.
I often was in total disagreement with him but at the same time I never missed his column. If nothing else he introduced me to both Unix and TurboPascal way back in 1982-83 he kept saying that someday Unix will be the OS. He claimed that somebody just had to put a friendly UI on it.
Thanks to him I spend a lot of money on OS text books all about Unix and VMS.
Also back when you had the first generation flamewars with folks saying Commodore rulz and Atari rulz I could shut down the war with simply saying Unix is the best!
Where the conversation stopped and people would ask "what's Unix?"
I read a couple of them and found it actually pretty uninteresting.
Very little real hacking just a lot of history and politics.
But if you like it great.
Yep that was number one on my list. You might want to add Nuts and Volts as well. :(
Oh and the entire internet for software.
I really miss Byte
Oh and this as well http://www.chaosmanorreviews.com/
"Unless you have many servers, it is cheaper to throw money at the problem in the form of physical RAM before you start thinking about problems like this."
You are thinking just about a single instance. You may be right for a single instance but that is not the right way to think about writing code.
If his performance claims are true then this is well worth it. He used this in a web proxy. The first place that used this web proxy saved no less then 75% of the resources needed for the task.
Multiply that by however many people can use that proxy and you get a lot of savings in power used and machines needed to get the same task done.
This is one of the great but often under achieved potentials in FOSS. Hopefully this can be applied to other tasks. Maybe even in the STL.
Once that happens you have a classic case of "a rising tide lifts all boats."
This kind of optimistically is exactly what should be done. The enter idea behind first structured and now OOP is code reuse. That ideal really is or should be at the heart of FOSS and frankly of CS in general.
Actually if you look at my post I said that FSpot also failed for my wife.
You are right but not being written in Mono isn't a feature if the program is broken or lacks vital features.
Not supporting png for example is a vital feature.
My point is that what it is written or not written in doesn't matter.
What matters for all software should be.
1. Feature completeness. Does it have the features that the tasks requires.
2. Usability. Does it make more work than it solves?
3. Reliability
and last is
4. Value. Is it worth the price and effort.
Only when those minimums are meet do you have a good solution. Everything else is just a problem.
Well then again it the ops are very small they may all fit in cache on the Xeon.
Yes having more cpus may actually have a higher performance but then how would say 2048 Cortex A9s do then? Of course you will have to use Linux on the Arm CPUS but then for a server that isn't usually an issue.
According to the wired article they use a custom chip set.
From the article
“If you just replace the chips in a traditional server with Atom processors, the power consumption actually goes up,” says Feldman.
Integrating features such as storage, networking and server management into a single ASIC (application specific integrated circuit) helps manage power better, says the company. It has also virtualized the CPU input-output so those modules that would have otherwise occupied space on a board and consumed power don’t anymore.
Read More http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/06/seamicro-server-intel-atom/#ixzz0qqLKrZZH
"
So this may be a bit more interesting than it first looked.
For performance I would wonder how this would have worked with say Cortex A9 cores instead of Atom D520s.
Also you really might have done even better with Opterons.
So I must ask why this over Operons, Xeons, or Arm?
But it is mono free...
So who cares if it doesn't do what you need to do. It is mono free!
Folk's what we have here is a problem. Functionality is more important to users than is philosophy.
My wife does digital scrapbooking. She is very good about it and is works with several designers and stores. They actually give her their stuff to use in layouts for others to see. Yes everyone knows she is working with stuff given to her and it is all very proper.
She is well known for using GIMP. She however can not move to Linux because of a few programs.
FSpot didn't cut it for her.
This program will also not work for her.
http://www.acdsee.com/ is the program she uses and loves. She can not live without it for digital scrapbooking so she is stuck on Windows.
If it doesn't do the job then free doesn't matter.
What really doesn't matter is being free of mono!
Flash as an idea isn't bad.
Flash as a only sorta open system is terrible.
The fact that it is IMPOSSIBLE to write a FOSS flash player that will play 100 of the flash content on the market means it is a not an open standard no matter what Adobe or anyone says.
I don't own apple products outside of an iPod touch that I use to listen to podcasts with.
My cell phone is an Android Samsung Moment and my PCs run Windows and Linux.
But Flash isn't an open standard it is as simple as that.
And I still do not have Flash for my mobile phone. And my wife still doesn't have Flash for her Palm Pre.
Yea we can put men on the moon but... No wait we can't anymore.
And for many posters on slashdot we never could in their lifetime.
Of course we could fall back to the other old saying. We should stop spending money on space and use it to feed the hungry... "put your cause in here" We did and did that make anything better?
I fear that we have lost our way. We no longer care about the stars in the sky. We only care about the stars on TV. Oh brave new world has such people in it. As long as get your bread and circuses we will be happy. Or our daily Soma if you like.
Good night all the future has left the building.
The fact that parts of FLASH are not published shows that it isn't a completely open standard.
Say what want but if you can not write a FOSS player that will play everything it isn't open.
Even you will not post without being an AC because you know your full of it.