I would imagine there was some back and forth about what can be said and when. Doesn't suprise me too much. But then, Slashdot can be just generally slow to pick up some stories, it seems.
1) Why are half of your "support people" installing AOL 5? (don't bother answering that.)
Well, I'll answer anyway. Kids. A lot of people in my company are actually old enough to have children who use the computer and guess what ISP most kids use (anyone... anyone...)
2) If your "support people" are doing "emergency" work, don't you think it would be a good thing for them to have the brain-power to create a DUN entry?
WTF are you talking about? That's kind of an assumption on your part that these are sysadmins or something.
(Exactly what do these people support?)
They support our business system which happens to be a legacy billing application for wireless carriers. They are mainframe application coders who dial into the system to look at production problems with the application. Not all of them have or need that much PC knowledge.
So the gist of your comments seem to be that anyone who has AOL on their system or who can't figure out how to recover from whatever 5.0 does is an idiot and shouldn't be relied on for any kind of technical support, is that it? Just so happpens that one of the people that works for me is one of the most technically competent professionals I've ever worked with, and he didn't find out about the problem with his PC until 3am when he was called at home and he tried to dial-in to look at a billing problem. He didn't know his 14 year old had upgraded to AOL 5 on the family PC that he uses once in a while to dial into work to do support. He did figure it out but not until the next day after he drove into work to fix something that would have taken 10 minutes to fix from home. He was pissed and I don't blame him.
That's not what I heard. All the other DUN profiles are wiped out. Gone. Big difference between being made the default and being the only
This is a major pain in the ass where I work because we use PPP dialin for remote support and half of the on-call support people couldn't get into the network to do emergency support because the DUN settings for our dialup were GONE.
That's even worse than the prospect of Dell pocketing the difference in cost between selling a macine with a Windows license and one with a Linux Distro. What I'm hearing is that MS is getting a click on every machine sold out of a product line where MS Windows is installed on some portion of the units. I think I remember hearing this before but it didn't occur to me that this was still the case.
So when you buy a machine with no OS installed, Dell pays a license click, when a machine is sold with Linux, Dell pays, when a machine goes out with Windows, they pay. Is that it?
If that really is the standing licensing agreement under which Dell is selling these Linux pre-installed laptops, then some small percent of the purchase price of one of these things ends up at Microsoft. I sure hope that's not right.
By this logic, if Dell sold 999,999 machines with Linux and only 1 with Windows (I know), then Microsoft would get the equivalent of 1 million machine's Windows licensing fee from Dell. Crazy.
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Sorry, I'm donating it to the Smithsonian. I tried to donate my body to science but they wouldn't return repeated phone calls.:-)
Yep, that's exacty how I accidentally found it. I was pointed to trolltalk and mistyped the sid and found that I could create my own thread trolltlak. I don't agree that Rob should do anything about this. Why rap the hornet's nest?
The Don Knot's guy might become angered and release a plauge of locusts upon the land, or something.
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(sniff) True! It's all TRUE!!! (sob)
Every single one of your points is dead on, I am a pathetic rutabaga-loving, New Yorker-snubbing, American Anthem-listening, passwordless sham and I haven't the courage to face another day (BLAM!)
Thank you.
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One of the goals of the Über-Troll Round Table is to have a far reaching influence - much like other cult groups such as the Illuminati. Though this would seem most difficult, they have already obtained JonKatz as a member.
Yep, u had me right until there. Very good, nice job. I'm starting to actually enjoy the naked and petrified posts more than the 'serious' discussions. Too bad I ain't got any points today or you would get them, my friend.
All this time I imagined that the N&P fetish was about having a hot chick in front of you so you could pleasure yourself without having to deal with her as a human bing, but as a mere object, now I see it goes much deeper than that. Thank you.
Excellent, thank you. I had heard about junkbuster but never really looked into it much, figuring it would interfere with the proxy server here at work. It chains from my browser to the JB proxy to my company firewall just great. Took me 10 minutes to get it all working and add the cites I want to let cookies in (slashdot) and to block all the sites I don't want ads from (adfu, doubleclick, etc).
You are probably right, although that is obviously not what I meant. The PHB who is the main anti-OSS/Linux/Commie-pinko-liberal agent is the one who I figured would try to stretch even farther than before to maintain the Microsoft/Sun status quo and end up looking more stupid than usual (if that is even possible).
Yeah, I can see how it could backfire if not handled correctly. Hmm... any suggestions from someone who has been down this road?
>this is worth including in any Linux or BSD distribution.
That's not a bad idea, Gartner does not seem to expressly forbid copying their material if it is only a small part that "does not have a negative impact on the market" for thier products. I suppose a commercial version of RedHat might fail the "educational, personal or non-commercial" provision, but then sounds like you just need to get permission, which I can't see why they would object since it is just free advertising for their non-free services.
B. Fair Use
Fair use is a privilege that allows users to make copies of copyrighted information without the specific consent of GartnerGroup in specific limited situations. Such use may be permitted if the copying is for educational, personal, or non-commercial use, where only a small portion of the materials is copied and where the copying does not have a negative impact upon the market for the copyrighted work.
This will be very interesting. The stubby trolls that inhabit the PHB-nirvana that exists on the 16th floor of my office pay big bucks for Gartner research services and love to wave their little reports in front of the techs in meetings where the subjects are beyond their comprehension.
Now I have something to put us closer to equal footing.
I especially love this part:
Bottom Line: Contrary to common perceptions, open-source development is neither a recent phenomenon nor a transient one, and more significantly, it is one that will increasingly be associated with commercial vendors and end-user organizations. We recommend that IT organizations which currently exclude all OSS from their acquisition plans should re-examine this policy.
I just can't wait for the next meeting to bring this up again and show these fat, balding, middle-aged, clueless management drones that they have been laughing off OSS at their own expense all this time. Maybe it'll do some good, maybe not. Just the recommendation alone that we "re-examine" the no-OSS policy will set off a flurry of activity as someone will get this action-item to report on this and most of the points that were cited in our poicy are directly debunked in the Gartner article.
Somebody is going to look even stupider than usual.
>There's (at least) one more group you neglected to mention: The "(insert name of new technology here) will lead inevitably to (select one or more) global tyranny/evil insidious new weapons/unbearable breaches of privacy/environmental catastophe/the end of the world as we know it" faction.
>There are also plans for branded golf clubs/bags and ties/cufflinks which announce to the world at large just how "Linux-savvy" you are, in no uncertain terms
Yes, but where are you going to find well-known (in the US) European Golf Pro's to endorse your distro and do commercials for you showing off the golf clubs, huh?n You'd be better off sticking to the euro performance car metaphor. Get Jackie Stewart or some other well-recognized gran-prix legend to re-inforce your branding image!
A great name would be Linux One-2-One. Capitalize on the LinuxOne brand confusion and also ride the name recognition coattails of a popular UK wireless service provider, Mercury One-2-One.
I think this Linux branding and marketing is exactly the way to go! Why aren't there more marketing visionaries like you out in the community making these kinds of contributions?
The rest of these dreadlock, greasy hippie types don't have a clue about how to push their OS product out into the international spotlight!
Integrate Mozilla with the kernel, stroke of genius!
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I would imagine there was some back and forth about what can be said and when. Doesn't suprise me too much. But then, Slashdot can be just generally slow to pick up some stories, it seems.
>"Moderators": do your duty!
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They did.
True enough. We don't.
Well, I'll answer anyway. Kids. A lot of people in my company are actually old enough to have children who use the computer and guess what ISP most kids use (anyone... anyone...)
2) If your "support people" are doing "emergency" work, don't you think it would be a good thing for them to have the brain-power to create a DUN entry?
WTF are you talking about? That's kind of an assumption on your part that these are sysadmins or something.
(Exactly what do these people support?)
They support our business system which happens to be a legacy billing application for wireless carriers. They are mainframe application coders who dial into the system to look at production problems with the application. Not all of them have or need that much PC knowledge.
So the gist of your comments seem to be that anyone who has AOL on their system or who can't figure out how to recover from whatever 5.0 does is an idiot and shouldn't be relied on for any kind of technical support, is that it? Just so happpens that one of the people that works for me is one of the most technically competent professionals I've ever worked with, and he didn't find out about the problem with his PC until 3am when he was called at home and he tried to dial-in to look at a billing problem. He didn't know his 14 year old had upgraded to AOL 5 on the family PC that he uses once in a while to dial into work to do support. He did figure it out but not until the next day after he drove into work to fix something that would have taken 10 minutes to fix from home. He was pissed and I don't blame him.
That's not what I heard. All the other DUN profiles are wiped out. Gone. Big difference between being made the default and being the only
This is a major pain in the ass where I work because we use PPP dialin for remote support and half of the on-call support people couldn't get into the network to do emergency support because the DUN settings for our dialup were GONE.
>Sometimes I wonder how smart the /. community is (not all.. just a few)
True enough. The point of the odd day is that it would be the last for a long time, not the first. Dontcha hate it when your ass shows like that?
Oh, yeah... we're all idiots. Think before you post, mmm'k?
That's even worse than the prospect of Dell pocketing the difference in cost between selling a macine with a Windows license and one with a Linux Distro. What I'm hearing is that MS is getting a click on every machine sold out of a product line where MS Windows is installed on some portion of the units. I think I remember hearing this before but it didn't occur to me that this was still the case.
So when you buy a machine with no OS installed, Dell pays a license click, when a machine is sold with Linux, Dell pays, when a machine goes out with Windows, they pay. Is that it?
If that really is the standing licensing agreement under which Dell is selling these Linux pre-installed laptops, then some small percent of the purchase price of one of these things ends up at Microsoft. I sure hope that's not right.
By this logic, if Dell sold 999,999 machines with Linux and only 1 with Windows (I know), then Microsoft would get the equivalent of 1 million machine's Windows licensing fee from Dell. Crazy.
Sorry, I'm donating it to the Smithsonian. I tried to donate my body to science but they wouldn't return repeated phone calls. :-)
Don Knots! That guy rulez!
Yep, that's exacty how I accidentally found it. I was pointed to trolltalk and mistyped the sid and found that I could create my own thread trolltlak. I don't agree that Rob should do anything about this. Why rap the hornet's nest?
The Don Knot's guy might become angered and release a plauge of locusts upon the land, or something.
(sniff) True! It's all TRUE!!! (sob)
Every single one of your points is dead on, I am a pathetic rutabaga-loving, New Yorker-snubbing, American Anthem-listening, passwordless sham and I haven't the courage to face another day (BLAM!)
Thank you.
One of the goals of the Über-Troll Round Table is to have a far reaching influence - much like other cult groups
such as the Illuminati. Though this would seem most difficult, they have already obtained JonKatz as a member.
Thank you mr moderator. Please continue to subtract points from my Karma.
>(And then I touch her butt.)
Yep, u had me right until there. Very good, nice job. I'm starting to actually enjoy the naked and petrified posts more than the 'serious' discussions. Too bad I ain't got any points today or you would get them, my friend.
All this time I imagined that the N&P fetish was about having a hot chick in front of you so you could pleasure yourself without having to deal with her as a human bing, but as a mere object, now I see it goes much deeper than that. Thank you.
Excellent, thank you. I had heard about junkbuster but never really looked into it much, figuring it would interfere with the proxy server here at work. It chains from my browser to the JB proxy to my company firewall just great. Took me 10 minutes to get it all working and add the cites I want to let cookies in (slashdot) and to block all the sites I don't want ads from (adfu, doubleclick, etc).
Thank you.
You are probably right, although that is obviously not what I meant. The PHB who is the main anti-OSS/Linux/Commie-pinko-liberal agent is the one who I figured would try to stretch even farther than before to maintain the Microsoft/Sun status quo and end up looking more stupid than usual (if that is even possible).
Yeah, I can see how it could backfire if not handled correctly. Hmm... any suggestions from someone who has been down this road?
That's not a bad idea, Gartner does not seem to expressly forbid copying their material if it is only a small part that "does not have a negative impact on the market" for thier products. I suppose a commercial version of RedHat might fail the "educational, personal or non-commercial" provision, but then sounds like you just need to get permission, which I can't see why they would object since it is just free advertising for their non-free services.
They always do this. The one-page summary is free but you have to buy the supporting research papers.
Now I have something to put us closer to equal footing.
I especially love this part:
I just can't wait for the next meeting to bring this up again and show these fat, balding, middle-aged, clueless management drones that they have been laughing off OSS at their own expense all this time. Maybe it'll do some good, maybe not. Just the recommendation alone that we "re-examine" the no-OSS policy will set off a flurry of activity as someone will get this action-item to report on this and most of the points that were cited in our poicy are directly debunked in the Gartner article.
Somebody is going to look even stupider than usual.
Funny and toll are not mutually exclusive, IMO.
Pleasure was all mine!
>There's (at least) one more group you neglected to mention: The "(insert name of new technology here) will lead inevitably to (select one or more) global tyranny/evil insidious new weapons/unbearable breaches of privacy/environmental catastophe/the end of the world as we know it" faction.
You mean Katz.
>There are also plans for branded golf clubs/bags and ties/cufflinks which announce to the world at large just how "Linux-savvy" you are, in no uncertain terms
Yes, but where are you going to find well-known (in the US) European Golf Pro's to endorse your distro and do commercials for you showing off the golf clubs, huh?n You'd be better off sticking to the euro performance car metaphor. Get Jackie Stewart or some other well-recognized gran-prix legend to re-inforce your branding image!
A great name would be Linux One-2-One. Capitalize on the LinuxOne brand confusion and also ride the name recognition coattails of a popular UK wireless service provider, Mercury One-2-One.
I think this Linux branding and marketing is exactly the way to go! Why aren't there more marketing visionaries like you out in the community making these kinds of contributions?
The rest of these dreadlock, greasy hippie types don't have a clue about how to push their OS product out into the international spotlight!
Integrate Mozilla with the kernel, stroke of genius!
A hairpiece? Really? I couldn't tell (:-) )