>But the quake3 performance was great if they didn't have a 3d graphics card in there. (i.e. is was running in software mode).
AFAIK, Q3A does not have a software rendering mode, you either need a Matrox 200, Matrox 400 or a Voodoo 2 to be able to play the game at all using Mesa. I know that some people have been able to get a Q3A 'slide show' by fudging a libMesaGL.so into the game directory, but this gives about a frame every three seconds.
If something like this was done and it rendered in software at anything near an acceptible framerate, I am _really_ impressed. Seems more likely that there was a Matrox card running some type of GL implementation?
Well, I would say the line is where one falls into simple personal attacks that have nothing to do with the subject at hand.
If you post back and forth and the guy on the other end says stuff that makes him sound like an idiot, there's little problem in my mind to call him an idiot in the next post.
If you see someone's post and you disagree and simply flame away attacking him personally rather than making some kind of rational argument to back up your position, in addition to calling them an asshole for making such a stupid statement, its the equivalent of flipping someone off. I guess it's not that big a deal, if you're used to it. It's just disappointing when you come here for an interesting conversation and maybe to learn something and you see stuff like 'YOU SUCK, YOU SHOULD JUST GO DIE!'
er, sorry if I confused one well-meaning AC with another AC, just a lot of screaming anout 'morons', ya know? BTW, WTF were we talking about anyway? Oh, yeah - Someone said Q3 sucked, someone said it didn't and a virtual stream of intelect ensued. Sheesh.
I would invite you to grow up but then you would be deprived of being able to shout 'MORON' to anyone who has an opinion that is different than yours without ever having to back it up with logic and facts.
Gosh what an insightful counter-argument! I'll have to remember that next time _I'm_ confronted with a well though-out argument! Just a single, simple name-calling response! Pure genius! Your kindegarden teacher must be so proud!
Quake III Arena for Linux will also be available in retail stores in the US and abroad. We anticipate US retail availability beginning December 27th, 1999, with other locations soon after.
No, I got mine pre-ordered from lokisoft. Go to any electronics boutique, they should have it, or go here.
Aside note, anyone know if you can download the windows binaries anywhere? (ducks)
No, seriously. Since I had to take my Voodoo2 out of my system to make room for a SCSI adapter, I can't play Q3A on my TNT2 under linux, tho the demo under Win32 works ok. I had heard that you would be able to download the binaries for Linux or Win32 or Mac if you had bought the retail CD (kinda like how it worked for Q2 - you could buy Win32 CD then download the Linux Binaries)
I just want to be able to play it until the 3D support for TNT2 gets better under XF86.
(ok, flame if you must, but if you have an actual solution to let me play Q3A under Linux with my nVidia card, that would be more productive):-)
Of course we all know Keanu Reeves was just lucky enough to have the superb support of Fishburne. Neo could have been played by any number of actors without any detraction; Fishburne is Morpheus, and gave the film every ounce of soul it enjoys today.
Good. I'm not the only one who feels this way. =) Reeves was good as Neo, I wouldn't argue that. Calling it his movie is off the mark, IMO. Sure, Neo is the central figure as "the one". I can imagine several different actors who could have played this role, and yes - it would still have been the same movie.
Not the same for Fishburne... I agree completely - wouldn't have been the same movie with anyone else.
P.S. Remember when Fishburne was on Pee Wee Herman's playhouse as one of the characters? What was his name? I want to say "Coyboy Carl" but I'm not sure. God its funny to go back and see other stuff our favorite actors have done when they were small-time.;-)
>the 600-pound gorrilla that takes over the software industry
Assume you meant 'takes over the internet media industry.'
Sure enough, that's the spin they're trying to put on it. That's not the focus of the anti-trust case though, is it? They'd like you to think that but it is more about their past illegal business practice of leveraging their monopoly position in desktop OS to the detriment of conusmers, competitors and others that is at issue.
This has been said over and over, a monopoly in itself is not illegal, it's the things you do *as* a monopoly that break laws. (INAL)
Well, the chairman runs the board of directors. The board is made up of good-ol buddys that typically are executives of other companies, retired executives, directors of other companies and the like. Go to the library and look at the annual reports from any two or three big companies and you'll see what I mean.
The board typically meets quarterly or so and does things like hire/fire CEOs, elect new board members, bitch and moan about stock performance, set dividends, set major corporate strategy directives (buy/sell divisions, mergers, what businesses to get into/out of) and pretty much vote themselves big stock bonuses. These are the folks at the top of the capital pyramid and the Chairman is the Alpha Capitalist. The Chairman is the one most accountable to the stockholders.
Chief Executive Officer in my company is the one that runs the operations. He is the one that all of the business unit presidents and vice-presidents report to. He tells them what to do. He sets financial and operating targets for them and they cower in fear if they don't meet their targets. CEO typically is brought in by the board on a contract basis, with all kinds of bonuses and penalties based on performance written in, and usually a nice early termination insurance clause.
Our CEO is also our president so I may have the distinction a little confused, but the President has the CEO, CFO, CIO and resource units (R&D, HR, etc) all reporting to him. He sets the overall direction for the business. He is the one who carries the business results to the board and comes back with his head in his hands and his marching orders from the board. His bottom line responsibility is to maximize shareholder value (read: run the company profitably so the stock goes up and the board doesn't get fired at the next stockholder meeting).
At least this is the way it seems to work in my company. I know there is quite a bit of difference depending on the industry (I'm in a Phone Company spin-off IS/Service Bureau) and such.
Seesh, it's sad but true. Outside of the tech-geek-type friends I have, almost everyone else just doesn't get why we shun Microsoft and despise Gates and all he stands for.
Funny how people mesh together things like Microsoft, AOL and the internet - kind of viewing them as a contiguous whole, and Bill is the most recognizable figure in all that. "Steve Case, didn't he play for the Red's in the '70's?"
On another note, like how MS mouthpiece jumps on the TW/AOL merger as further proof that Microsoft is not a monopoly? What?!
>Even if they were forced to open it up, who would be the keeper of the standard?
I guess I hadn't thought of it in terms of an open standard that is maintained by some 3rd party for the benfit of mankind. Some of the discussion I remember around this was that the gov would make it one of the remedies in all this that MSWin would have to make the API available to any and all for a set $$, no other strings attached.
Of course this would be problematic for open source projects as who comes up with the $$ for the API License and no one in their right mind would probably go for it. Big companies like Sun and Apple could get it, though, on a fixed dollar amount with no strings attached, and MS would be bound to release upgraded API specs whenever there was going to be a change in a new version of the OS.
This was supposed to combat the "stop bundling Netscape or we'll tripple the license fee" tactic, or the "oops, we forgot to tell you we changed that? Pity, then again you shouldn't have signed that exclusive deal with xyz, hmm?" kind of crap.
Not perfect, but this is the line of reasoning I was going on.
MSApps can still say to Apple, if you don't make IE the default, we won't support Office.
I assume 'won't support office' in this context meaning that the MS-Applications spinoff would stop making new versions of Office that run on Mac, right? That's the beauty, what incentive would a separate company that supports Office application software have to hold a gun to it's customer's head like that, unless the OS and APP companies are in collusion (not that they wouldn't _want_ to but gotta think that kind of thing sends Jobs running and screaming to the Attourney General)? Assuming that IE lands in the MS-OperatingSystem spinoff, what would the app software company care which browser is default?
Another question: If MS is forced to open its API's such that other applications can hook into the OS, does it follow that other OS's can reverse engineer the API such that Microsoft Apps will work seamlessly (eg, WINE using a fully documented API)? That seemed to be implied in another post. The API is open, Apple can build support into the OS so that the windows version of office runs on a Mac? Someone seemed to say this would be possible (not very desirable) to do this with Linux. Just a thought.
Yep, I remember this from last year. Discovery channel news ran a blurb about last year's compettition. 10 minute segment and they spent maybe 20 seconds on the self-controlled AI bots, mostly to note they were there, and pretty much jsut bumped intoeach other with long pauses.
It seems like it's going to take a while before AI bots will have the same actionand excetement as the radio-controlled ones. (aside: if I use two RC racers in a demolition derby, can I call the 'robots' ?)
>a full lunar eclipse on January 20, which also happens to be the first full moon of the new year.
I thought this was no coincidence, that a full lunar eclipse was only possible when the moon is on the far side of the earth from the sun, which is when it appears full. no? astonomers care to comment?
I respectfully disagree. Just because they do it to others and they left themselves open should not be a good enough excuse, IMO.
Yeah, they are jerks. Yeah, they abuse contracts to their advantage when it suits 'em. Yeah, its funny as hell that they got caught with their pants down and thousands tried to take advantage.
I'm not saying those that did go for this were wrong, or unethical, I'm just saying that I wouldn't have, only because I want to continue to think that somehow I belong to a community that is above the dirty tricks that we acuse Microsoft of. (Boy, that was badly worded, but I don't hae the energy to fix it this morning!)
Put it another way:
Microsoft is stupid and not well-liked, they left themselves open to being taken advantage of by consumers who obviously have little or no respect for them. Microsoft pulls this while they continue the facade that this was intended to 'help people get affordably connected to the internet' and 'only a few people were trying to abuse the offer' while their apparent intent was to buy MSN subscribers and it blew up in their face.
Good enough for me. That's worth more than $400 dollars to me to have the smug satisfaction that they are slime and I wouldn't give them the satisfaction of even giving them my name and address and CC number in excahange for $400 regardless if I would get it back by exploiting a loophole in their own dumb agreement.
------------------------------------------ My, we like ourselves quite a lot, don't we. Just have to say a little prayer against you... And then a little superior dance... Who could have written that little agreement, Billy... hmmmm?? Could it have been...
Yeah, Western Digital is another one where you hear horror stories and glowing praise from different people.
I had great luck. I had a 5 gig go out. I went to their automated RMA page and downloaded their diagnostic software and ran it on the drive. It came back with a defect code that I then entered on the RMA page and they e-mailed an RMA the same day.
I shipped off the drive the next day, within 3 days I checked on the board to see if they had received it, they showed no records of the RMA number. Looking through the support posts, I saw complaints that drives had been sent in weeks ago with no word. Uh oh. I posted a message with my RMA asking what was going on. In an hour a tech posted that their RMA database was offline but he had tracked it by hand and a replacement was due to ship out the next day.
Two days after a brand-new 6 gig was dropped off by Airborne. Sheesh was I happy. Makes you wonder what goes on when you get really good service and then you see others that are in customer service hell with the same company.
Do you have _any_ idea of the kind of mess it makes when you destroy a ship at sea? Ask the marine life in the area of one of the WWII sea battles how many decades it takes to recover from the fuel and oil that are released into the ocean when a vessel is sunk.
(yes, I know you were probably just kidding, I'd like to dispose of those bastards as well. Finding the culprits and dipping them in oil a couple times would probably be more effective and less polluting than sinking an entire ship to punish them, killing the entire crew, only a handful of them even having anything to do with the pollution in the first place.)
I've been buying computers from South Dakota since I got a 386/33 back in '90.
Until I started building my own systems a couple years ago, I bought almost all my machines from Gateway and never had any trouble with the boxes themselves (GW2K's customer service, that's another story).
When my Dad went to buy a new machine to replace his old one late last year, I first tried to talk him into letting me build one for him. When he brought me an ad with the P-III/500 on sale at the Gateway Country Store and asked how much it would cost to build a similar machine, I took a step back and went with hime to the store to check it out.
They put together a very nice package for mid to entry-level machines. I could have made something pretty close, but that would have taken much more of my time than I had to space at the time and wouldn't have saved him that much time.
This way he got something delivered to him in a few days ready to go with a warranty and customer support. He has had 0 problems with the thing for the last 3 months.
I can recommend Gateway to anyone looking for a decent beginner to intermediate PC.
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>But the quake3 performance was great if they didn't have a 3d graphics card in there. (i.e. is was running in software mode).
AFAIK, Q3A does not have a software rendering mode, you either need a Matrox 200, Matrox 400 or a Voodoo 2 to be able to play the game at all using Mesa. I know that some people have been able to get a Q3A 'slide show' by fudging a libMesaGL.so into the game directory, but this gives about a frame every three seconds.
If something like this was done and it rendered in software at anything near an acceptible framerate, I am _really_ impressed. Seems more likely that there was a Matrox card running some type of GL implementation?
Well, I would say the line is where one falls into simple personal attacks that have nothing to do with the subject at hand.
If you post back and forth and the guy on the other end says stuff that makes him sound like an idiot, there's little problem in my mind to call him an idiot in the next post.
If you see someone's post and you disagree and simply flame away attacking him personally rather than making some kind of rational argument to back up your position, in addition to calling them an asshole for making such a stupid statement, its the equivalent of flipping someone off. I guess it's not that big a deal, if you're used to it. It's just disappointing when you come here for an interesting conversation and maybe to learn something and you see stuff like 'YOU SUCK, YOU SHOULD JUST GO DIE!'
er, sorry if I confused one well-meaning AC with another AC, just a lot of screaming anout 'morons', ya know? BTW, WTF were we talking about anyway? Oh, yeah - Someone said Q3 sucked, someone said it didn't and a virtual stream of intelect ensued. Sheesh.
I would invite you to grow up but then you would be deprived of being able to shout 'MORON' to anyone who has an opinion that is different than yours without ever having to back it up with logic and facts.
ooooh! Wow, you sure proved your superior intelect, Mr Webster! :-p
Gosh what an insightful counter-argument! I'll have to remember that next time _I'm_ confronted with a well though-out argument! Just a single, simple name-calling response! Pure genius! Your kindegarden teacher must be so proud!
(I got the karma to spare, what the hell)
No, I think he's talking about just buying the game, not running the mods.
OH, and this from their site:
Quake III Arena for Linux will also be available in retail stores in the US and abroad. We anticipate US retail availability beginning December 27th, 1999, with other locations soon after.
No, I got mine pre-ordered from lokisoft. Go to any electronics boutique, they should have it, or go here.
:-)
Aside note, anyone know if you can download the windows binaries anywhere? (ducks)
No, seriously. Since I had to take my Voodoo2 out of my system to make room for a SCSI adapter, I can't play Q3A on my TNT2 under linux, tho the demo under Win32 works ok. I had heard that you would be able to download the binaries for Linux or Win32 or Mac if you had bought the retail CD (kinda like how it worked for Q2 - you could buy Win32 CD then download the Linux Binaries)
I just want to be able to play it until the 3D support for TNT2 gets better under XF86.
(ok, flame if you must, but if you have an actual solution to let me play Q3A under Linux with my nVidia card, that would be more productive)
Of course we all know Keanu Reeves was just lucky enough to have the superb support of Fishburne. Neo could have been played by any number of actors without any detraction; Fishburne is Morpheus, and gave the film every ounce of soul it enjoys today.
;-)
Good. I'm not the only one who feels this way. =) Reeves was good as Neo, I wouldn't argue that. Calling it his movie is off the mark, IMO. Sure, Neo is the central figure as "the one". I can imagine several different actors who could have played this role, and yes - it would still have been the same movie.
Not the same for Fishburne... I agree completely - wouldn't have been the same movie with anyone else.
P.S. Remember when Fishburne was on Pee Wee Herman's playhouse as one of the characters? What was his name? I want to say "Coyboy Carl" but I'm not sure. God its funny to go back and see other stuff our favorite actors have done when they were small-time.
>the 600-pound gorrilla that takes over the software industry
Assume you meant 'takes over the internet media industry.'
Sure enough, that's the spin they're trying to put on it. That's not the focus of the anti-trust case though, is it? They'd like you to think that but it is more about their past illegal business practice of leveraging their monopoly position in desktop OS to the detriment of conusmers, competitors and others that is at issue.
This has been said over and over, a monopoly in itself is not illegal, it's the things you do *as* a monopoly that break laws. (INAL)
Well, the chairman runs the board of directors. The board is made up of good-ol buddys that typically are executives of other companies, retired executives, directors of other companies and the like. Go to the library and look at the annual reports from any two or three big companies and you'll see what I mean.
The board typically meets quarterly or so and does things like hire/fire CEOs, elect new board members, bitch and moan about stock performance, set dividends, set major corporate strategy directives (buy/sell divisions, mergers, what businesses to get into/out of) and pretty much vote themselves big stock bonuses. These are the folks at the top of the capital pyramid and the Chairman is the Alpha Capitalist. The Chairman is the one most accountable to the stockholders.
Chief Executive Officer in my company is the one that runs the operations. He is the one that all of the business unit presidents and vice-presidents report to. He tells them what to do. He sets financial and operating targets for them and they cower in fear if they don't meet their targets. CEO typically is brought in by the board on a contract basis, with all kinds of bonuses and penalties based on performance written in, and usually a nice early termination insurance clause.
Our CEO is also our president so I may have the distinction a little confused, but the President has the CEO, CFO, CIO and resource units (R&D, HR, etc) all reporting to him. He sets the overall direction for the business. He is the one who carries the business results to the board and comes back with his head in his hands and his marching orders from the board. His bottom line responsibility is to maximize shareholder value (read: run the company profitably so the stock goes up and the board doesn't get fired at the next stockholder meeting).
At least this is the way it seems to work in my company. I know there is quite a bit of difference depending on the industry (I'm in a Phone Company spin-off IS/Service Bureau) and such.
Seesh, it's sad but true. Outside of the tech-geek-type friends I have, almost everyone else just doesn't get why we shun Microsoft and despise Gates and all he stands for.
Funny how people mesh together things like Microsoft, AOL and the internet - kind of viewing them as a contiguous whole, and Bill is the most recognizable figure in all that. "Steve Case, didn't he play for the Red's in the '70's?"
On another note, like how MS mouthpiece jumps on the TW/AOL merger as further proof that Microsoft is not a monopoly? What?!
Bah
>The Dilbert Zone is using the wrong symbol for Red Hat on the Ratbert Index.
Offtopic, but I checked it out and had to comment:
If you follow the link you will see this -
1-Year Daily Chart of Redheads Inc.
True, the others appear to be the actual companies -
AMD = 1-Year Daily Chart of Advanced Micro Devices, Inc..
but I think the redhat/redhead thing is an intentional joke?
>Even if they were forced to open it up, who would be the keeper of the standard?
I guess I hadn't thought of it in terms of an open standard that is maintained by some 3rd party for the benfit of mankind. Some of the discussion I remember around this was that the gov would make it one of the remedies in all this that MSWin would have to make the API available to any and all for a set $$, no other strings attached.
Of course this would be problematic for open source projects as who comes up with the $$ for the API License and no one in their right mind would probably go for it. Big companies like Sun and Apple could get it, though, on a fixed dollar amount with no strings attached, and MS would be bound to release upgraded API specs whenever there was going to be a change in a new version of the OS.
This was supposed to combat the "stop bundling Netscape or we'll tripple the license fee" tactic, or the "oops, we forgot to tell you we changed that? Pity, then again you shouldn't have signed that exclusive deal with xyz, hmm?" kind of crap.
Not perfect, but this is the line of reasoning I was going on.
uh, no...
I have Mediaone Express and in Chicago we're 24.131.*.*
MSApps can still say to Apple, if you don't make IE the default, we won't support Office.
I assume 'won't support office' in this context meaning that the MS-Applications spinoff would stop making new versions of Office that run on Mac, right? That's the beauty, what incentive would a separate company that supports Office application software have to hold a gun to it's customer's head like that, unless the OS and APP companies are in collusion (not that they wouldn't _want_ to but gotta think that kind of thing sends Jobs running and screaming to the Attourney General)? Assuming that IE lands in the MS-OperatingSystem spinoff, what would the app software company care which browser is default?
Another question: If MS is forced to open its API's such that other applications can hook into the OS, does it follow that other OS's can reverse engineer the API such that Microsoft Apps will work seamlessly (eg, WINE using a fully documented API)? That seemed to be implied in another post. The API is open, Apple can build support into the OS so that the windows version of office runs on a Mac? Someone seemed to say this would be possible (not very desirable) to do this with Linux. Just a thought.
Yep, I remember this from last year. Discovery channel news ran a blurb about last year's compettition. 10 minute segment and they spent maybe 20 seconds on the self-controlled AI bots, mostly to note they were there, and pretty much jsut bumped intoeach other with long pauses.
It seems like it's going to take a while before AI bots will have the same actionand excetement as the radio-controlled ones. (aside: if I use two RC racers in a demolition derby, can I call the 'robots' ?)
>I would guess that "heppens to be the first full moon of the year" refers to the coincidence of the first full moon of the year being an eclipse.
Ah, thank you - when put that way, it makes complete sense.
>a full lunar eclipse on January 20, which also happens to be the first full moon of the new year.
I thought this was no coincidence, that a full lunar eclipse was only possible when the moon is on the far side of the earth from the sun, which is when it appears full. no? astonomers care to comment?
I respectfully disagree. Just because they do it to others and they left themselves open should not be a good enough excuse, IMO.
Yeah, they are jerks. Yeah, they abuse contracts to their advantage when it suits 'em. Yeah, its funny as hell that they got caught with their pants down and thousands tried to take advantage.
I'm not saying those that did go for this were wrong, or unethical, I'm just saying that I wouldn't have, only because I want to continue to think that somehow I belong to a community that is above the dirty tricks that we acuse Microsoft of. (Boy, that was badly worded, but I don't hae the energy to fix it this morning!)
Put it another way:
Microsoft is stupid and not well-liked, they left themselves open to being taken advantage of by consumers who obviously have little or no respect for them. Microsoft pulls this while they continue the facade that this was intended to 'help people get affordably connected to the internet' and 'only a few people were trying to abuse the offer' while their apparent intent was to buy MSN subscribers and it blew up in their face.
Good enough for me. That's worth more than $400 dollars to me to have the smug satisfaction that they are slime and I wouldn't give them the satisfaction of even giving them my name and address and CC number in excahange for $400 regardless if I would get it back by exploiting a loophole in their own dumb agreement.
------------------------------------------
My, we like ourselves quite a lot, don't we. Just have to say a little prayer against you...
And then a little superior dance...
Who could have written that little agreement, Billy... hmmmm?? Could it have been...
SATAN??!!
Mwahahahah!
Like I said, amazing to me how one customer interacts with a company and has a really bad experience, then the next has an easy time. Flawed systems.
I stick with IBM deskstar drives now, pretty much.
Yeah, Western Digital is another one where you hear horror stories and glowing praise from different people.
I had great luck. I had a 5 gig go out. I went to their automated RMA page and downloaded their diagnostic software and ran it on the drive. It came back with a defect code that I then entered on the RMA page and they e-mailed an RMA the same day.
I shipped off the drive the next day, within 3 days I checked on the board to see if they had received it, they showed no records of the RMA number. Looking through the support posts, I saw complaints that drives had been sent in weeks ago with no word. Uh oh. I posted a message with my RMA asking what was going on. In an hour a tech posted that their RMA database was offline but he had tracked it by hand and a replacement was due to ship out the next day.
Two days after a brand-new 6 gig was dropped off by Airborne. Sheesh was I happy. Makes you wonder what goes on when you get really good service and then you see others that are in customer service hell with the same company.
Do you have _any_ idea of the kind of mess it makes when you destroy a ship at sea? Ask the marine life in the area of one of the WWII sea battles how many decades it takes to recover from the fuel and oil that are released into the ocean when a vessel is sunk.
(yes, I know you were probably just kidding, I'd like to dispose of those bastards as well. Finding the culprits and dipping them in oil a couple times would probably be more effective and less polluting than sinking an entire ship to punish them, killing the entire crew, only a handful of them even having anything to do with the pollution in the first place.)
I hear both sides of this all the time...
I've been buying computers from South Dakota since I got a 386/33 back in '90.
Until I started building my own systems a couple years ago, I bought almost all my machines from Gateway and never had any trouble with the boxes themselves (GW2K's customer service, that's another story).
When my Dad went to buy a new machine to replace his old one late last year, I first tried to talk him into letting me build one for him. When he brought me an ad with the P-III/500 on sale at the Gateway Country Store and asked how much it would cost to build a similar machine, I took a step back and went with hime to the store to check it out.
They put together a very nice package for mid to entry-level machines. I could have made something pretty close, but that would have taken much more of my time than I had to space at the time and wouldn't have saved him that much time.
This way he got something delivered to him in a few days ready to go with a warranty and customer support. He has had 0 problems with the thing for the last 3 months.
I can recommend Gateway to anyone looking for a decent beginner to intermediate PC.