But Cerf, chief Internet evangelist at Google, has long known a good laugh line when he has one. In an Aug. 17 talk at NASA, he said:
This is the amount of IP version 4 address space, about 5% left -- my fault actually. In 1977 I was running the Internet program for the defense department, I had to decide how much address space this Internet thing needs.... After a year of arguing among the engineers, no one knowing, 32 bits, 3.4 billion terminations, has to be enough for an experiment. The problem is the experiment never ended.
So, since the internet is just an experiment that never ended, can we name this "Endless October"?:)
Cool. Now that we've assigned blame, hopefully we can move forward with FIXING the problem.
Since there is already a fix available (IPv6), if/when this DOES become a problem, THAT problem should be assigned squarely on the shoulders of the people who failed to implement the FIX in a timely enough manner.
Oh, why don't you just go ahead and Godwin it already...
Will you watch in silence while Nazis kill 2 million Jews if they might kill your kids if you speak up?
Wasn't trying to dance around Godwin, just felt it wasn't relevant to the discussion.
Some people have something that is their "This has to be stopped" point. Think of it as the Psychological "Here and No Farther" Trigger.
For some, its "The Baby Seals are being Clubbed", "That guy is about to mow through a crowd with his car", for others its "That guy with a gun is about to shoot my family". Once they hit that point they act, often without consciously knowing they've reached a point (heck, the truth is most people don't usually think about these things).
Phrasing the question as "what comes first your children or some/any number of random strangers" is disingenuous, since people will (I think) almost always choose their children first. Likewise the question really isn't "Will you watch in silence while Nazis kill 2 million Jews if they might kill your kids if you speak up?" The question is "At what point does a perceived impact on others/society at large overcome your desire to protect 'you and yours' from any possible hard?"
Personally I think its a much more interesting question.
You CAN connect to them via the Console tab, but then you're using the vSphere client (instead of the RDC or SSH client) so its still not the same as a Desktop, but you're right, I did forget to include that.
I've found the Desktop tab in the version of ESX we use (3.5 I think) to be very slow for anything involving graphics (of course its over a network). Usually we just use it for a remote console to some Linux box.
Same-as, as far as I'm concerned. I'd easily kill one hundred to save my own kid. Color me weird, but there it is.
Its not weird, and most feel the same way.
The question is at what point the line shifts.
Would you kill 1,000 to save your kid? 10,000 people? 1,000,000? 10,000,000 wiping out a species that holds a cure for cancer? Would it matter if those killed included lots of other children? Would it make a difference if you saw any/all of those children before? Would it make a difference if you had to physically kill them yourself?
Not expecting an answer, just asking the question to provoke people to think about the answers.:)
I'll second ESX being a SERVER VIRTUALIZATION ONLY. We use it at work, and it doesn't give you a "Desktop". You need to use RDC, or SSH (or direct connect through their Windows client) to get a desktop on the Virtual Machines.
As far as DESKTOP VMs solutions: I just did a migration of my wife from her XP machine to a new Windows 7 machine (hey, she wants/needs it for her work, I'm happier with Linux/OSX, so to each their own:) ). As part of the migration I turned her old XP laptop into a VM, and installed it on her new Win7 machine w/VMWare Player which is FREE (as in beer), (although I hear VMWare Server is also now).
I've been using VMWare Fusion on my OSX installation and its been great (running both Linux and Windows), but I haven't done anything in terms of Photo work.
Since VMWare DOES have a FREE option to try it (their Converter and Player), you might want to give it a shot and see how well/poorly a VM will do what you want (I'd also suggest Converting the image to a USB drive so the image doesn't need to include a copy of itself:) ).
I guess that's why I'm not a hero and he is, eh? At any rate, the safety of the nameless citizens won out over the safety of his own, which strikes me as odd.
Fixed that for you.
Part of the calculation he said went through his head was that the Pickup was approaching a busy intersection and could easily take out of a row of cars.
Still impressive (which is why he's a hero instead of ordinary news), but more than just "one person in trouble". Might have weighed more on his mind.
I'm sure that the insurance guys will love this explanation!
Actually, according to TFA:
State Farm, Pace's insurance company, covered the roughly $3,500 in damage to Innes' car, and a claim representative sent Innes a letter of appreciation this summer.
"We wish to thank you for the actions you took to save Bill's life," State Farm's Clayton Ande wrote. "State Farm and the Pace family consider you to be a hero. I wish there were more people like you in the world."
Well, to be fair, when Netbooks first started coming out it was $200-$400 for a netbook versus $800-$1000 for a laptop.
The advantages the Netbooks offered were portability (size/weight), with a tradeoff for power/ease of use (battery/cpu/gpu/smaller screen and keyboard).
Additionally, the low price compared to a "real" laptop, meant there was less worry involved in them getting damaged, so you could (for instance) give one to a younger child and if they broke it, go buy another.
The specs and price of "Netbooks" have since crept up quite a bit, and the price of laptops has dropped to the point that there is currently less disparity between a small low end laptop and a large high end netbook, but things weren't always like this.
Ok, FTFA, it seems that the researchers did a very simplistic model and then found some videos so that they can measure what the animals actually do and noticed that they did not fit their model. So, nothing to see here until someone really sits down and models the wet dog oscillations with accuracy and tell us what the optimal frequency is (so that we can teach our dog if it is not that good with drying of course!).
Nah, there are easier ways to get dry. My dog quickly moved from the "shake myself dry method" to the "the rug and furniture are my towel method".
She's found this to be truly superior although some preliminary research showing a combined "shake myself dry" followed by "the rug and furniture are my towel" method may be her best option.
When I told her to get off the couch she just grinned and said "I'm a bitch, deal with it."
Because the masses don't think of Unix for the Desktop, and when they buy their computers from BestBuy or the major online retailers (HP, Dell, Toshiba), Linux isn't a pre-install option on the hardware they choose.
If their machine came pre-installed with Ubuntu, an Office suite (Libre Office for instance) and Flash preinstalled, lots of people would only be interested in updates to their software, and wouldn't care what they are running.
These are the people iOS caters to (and oddly the Netbook crowd, since they aren't running hugely resource intensive apps).
That makes me wonder if they aren't working on a channel for businesses to self deploy Apps for the Enterprise similar to the new method for self-deploying to Enterprise iOS devices.
Yes, but how many buyers/developers are probably going to boycott Windows7 specifically because of this?
Removing functionality that your Devs and/or Users are actively using, is very different from releasing new additional features.
If Apple removed the ability to install new software, then I believe they would shed those users in droves. These are the people who recommended Apple to non-technical users, and helped drive the overall adoption. Chances are those users would jump to Linux near term (Ubuntu?), but either way, the amount of ill will that Apple would garner would significantly hurt the brand.
You keep saying how people on here will cringe. I'm curious why you keep saying that.
I keep saying that because of the vehement replies that seem to line up, saying how much they can't stand the idea.
Assuming they are not a vocal minority, then the average Slashdot users seems to prefer either downloading software on their own, installing from an external medium, or writing their own software, to the idea of buying/downloading software from some sort of Central Repository.
The average user though could care less, and would probably prefer the later (for just the reasons you mentioned, among others).
We are used to "App stores" in the form of apt-get repositories or similar in other distributions. It is one of the things that makes linux so much easier to use than the competition.
Hate to break it to you, but the "we" who are used to apt-get (or similar) are NOT the majority. At best we are a notable or significant minority. Most end-users find it challenging to update their OS/software at all, let alone keep up to date on Application revisions.
What Steve Jobs is introducing is a bit like that except that you need a separate interface for each different app store you subscribe to (Apple, Steam's Valve, etc) and it has the facility to support payment for the software being downloaded.
Removing the multiple "stores" is a nice idea, but I don't see Valve (for one) being happy about it. On the other hand, the Direct Sale/Payment Support means Impulse purchases are on the table, which, like the current iOS AppStores, means lots of small/independent developers will happily roll the dice for a chance at a well paying App (once Apple has provided the distribution channels).
If you don't have to run the Apple updater, the Microsoft updater for MS Office, the Adobe updater for Creative Suite and so on, that in itself would be a good reason to buy your software from the App Store rather than from somewhere else.
And if you buy all your software from one place, through the AppStore, you won't have to run multiple updaters, especially if Apple allows some way for third parties to also sell DVD software with License Keys that the user can use to link the purchased software to their account, and then provide updates. Heck, software makers will love this, since it will remove the ability for secondary sales, and probably include "registration/licensing" monitoring code.
I don't see Apple removing the ability to run non-AppStore Apps, but for the "average end user", I don't see this as the huge loss of freedom most of the voices on here are yelling about.
Well, we know that Jobs loves electronic distribution (not supporting Blu-Ray playback for instance, in favor of Digital Downloads from the iTunes store).
There is probably a market for this though. As more and more people get used to using iOS, they get used to the AppStore. Most average would probably jump at the idea of running a "real computer" with the same "ease of use" features (even though you or I will cringe).
How often do most people usually install software?
The OS comes pre-installed. They MIGHT install an Office Suite or a Web Browser right after they get a new computer. After that, the only time they install software is if they need more functionality (yearly Tax Return Software/New Printer/New Game/Video Editing Software). With the exception of Gaming, most people don't really install new software very often once they have a web-browser and an Office Suite. For them, the idea of Easily Installing/Deinstalling software with just one or two mouse clicks is a compelling idea.
Indeed they are SO SO not new that anyone around when they were used in the late 80's and early 90's would not have been alive when they were invented in 1905.:-)
Good sound-bite (sound-byte?), but Grandmother managed to make it just fine into the early 90's and was born just a bit before 1905.
People are living longer and longer, and we're only talking about 85-90 years (heck, my grandmother used to tell us about being a girl and watching this new-fangled thing flying overhead, the airplane).
To provide a solution for this compatibility issue, Western Digital bundles an HBA with the Caviar Green 3TB drive that allows the operating system to use a known driver to correctly support extra large capacity drives. This solution is reportedly just temporary until the rest of the industry catches up
Reminds me of when ATA66/100/133 came out and in order to take advantage of the new larger HDs you needed a new controller. Maxtor kindly bundled one with their drives. Made it very easy to upgrade existing/old machines until enough new motherboard chipsets included support for the updated protocol.
Even worse. I don't even want to begin to explain to you why you are wrong about this. The broad adoption of UPNP makes the idea that NAT provides you with a useful firewall complete idiocy....
In all fairness, almost all routers I've seen can disable UPnP with one checkbox.
If you know anything about Networks, you're either you're using NAT because you are forced to, in which case UPnP setting up automatic routes helps KEEP a NAT space from being "broadcast only", or you're using NAT because you have to and are also using it to control access, in which case you've already disabled UPnP and define your own explicit port forwarding to static internal addresses.
Then there is the third choice of "Don't know what NAT or UPnP are" (which covers most people on the Internet). They probably ARE less secure behind NAT routers with the belief that they are "safe", but they are certainly more secure then if they had just plugged directly into the broadband connection with their unpatched Win98/WinXP/Win-DuJour/OSX/Linux machine.
The system is designed around continual growth and there IS A LIMIT technology or not.
Yes and No.
Yes the system is designed around a limit. Yes there is a limit to what technology can do in a given system.
No technology could still provide a longer term crutch. In this case the technology to look at isn't just Terrestrial. Take the author at his/her word. We need more resources than the Earth can provide. There are lots of asteroids out there (and at least one planet we can probably land on/mine if we needed to). If we had access to the resources of the Asteroid belt and Mars, combined with Terrestrial recycling and energy generation technologies, we'd probably be fine "longer term" (longer term = the next few hundred years at least, but thats just pulling numbers out of thin air).
And thats a great solution, especially if you're in a Major Metro area with lots of Over-The-Air signals.
I reached the same conclusion when TimeWarnerCable could not keep me from losing a signal every few days for three-four months (with a few service calls checking the equipment).
I'd suggest using the money you're saving to spring for a high-end DVR.
If going the prebuilt route, I've found TiVos to be decent, include a dual tuner (to record to shows simultaneously), and also include clients for Netflix/Blockbuster streaming and AmazonVideo downloads. I'd also suggest springing for the Lifetime service on the box. The cost of lifetime service hits a break even point after ~2-3 years compared with the cost of a monthly subscription, turning the whole box into a sunk expense, instead of a recurring monthly cost.
I'd say if when the rumored Hulu+ module comes out it'd be great, but between lots of Hulu shows not yet available on Hulu+, and the stupidity of the current article Re: Hulu, I"m not sure if that is a + or a -.
I'm sure there are bits that are not completely "up to date" (Hulu+ site now lists both TiVo and Roku box as "Coming soon" interfaces), but its still a pretty good read for anyone thinking about "cutting the cable". I've copied the article (in dead tree form before I found the on-line version), and have been handing out copies to friends thinking about taking the plunge.
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Since I actually bothered to read the article:
But Cerf, chief Internet evangelist at Google, has long known a good laugh line when he has one. In an Aug. 17 talk at NASA, he said:
This is the amount of IP version 4 address space, about 5% left -- my fault actually. In 1977 I was running the Internet program for the defense department, I had to decide how much address space this Internet thing needs. ... After a year of arguing among the engineers, no one knowing, 32 bits, 3.4 billion terminations, has to be enough for an experiment. The problem is the experiment never ended.
So, since the internet is just an experiment that never ended, can we name this "Endless October"? :)
Cool. Now that we've assigned blame, hopefully we can move forward with FIXING the problem.
Since there is already a fix available (IPv6), if/when this DOES become a problem, THAT problem should be assigned squarely on the shoulders of the people who failed to implement the FIX in a timely enough manner.
Oh, why don't you just go ahead and Godwin it already...
Will you watch in silence while Nazis kill 2 million Jews if they might kill your kids if you speak up?
Wasn't trying to dance around Godwin, just felt it wasn't relevant to the discussion.
Some people have something that is their "This has to be stopped" point. Think of it as the Psychological "Here and No Farther" Trigger.
For some, its "The Baby Seals are being Clubbed", "That guy is about to mow through a crowd with his car", for others its "That guy with a gun is about to shoot my family". Once they hit that point they act, often without consciously knowing they've reached a point (heck, the truth is most people don't usually think about these things).
Phrasing the question as "what comes first your children or some/any number of random strangers" is disingenuous, since people will (I think) almost always choose their children first.
Likewise the question really isn't "Will you watch in silence while Nazis kill 2 million Jews if they might kill your kids if you speak up?"
The question is "At what point does a perceived impact on others/society at large overcome your desire to protect 'you and yours' from any possible hard?"
Personally I think its a much more interesting question.
You CAN connect to them via the Console tab, but then you're using the vSphere client (instead of the RDC or SSH client) so its still not the same as a Desktop, but you're right, I did forget to include that.
I've found the Desktop tab in the version of ESX we use (3.5 I think) to be very slow for anything involving graphics (of course its over a network). Usually we just use it for a remote console to some Linux box.
Same-as, as far as I'm concerned. I'd easily kill one hundred to save my own kid. Color me weird, but there it is.
Its not weird, and most feel the same way.
The question is at what point the line shifts.
Would you kill 1,000 to save your kid? 10,000 people? 1,000,000? 10,000,000 wiping out a species that holds a cure for cancer?
Would it matter if those killed included lots of other children?
Would it make a difference if you saw any/all of those children before?
Would it make a difference if you had to physically kill them yourself?
Not expecting an answer, just asking the question to provoke people to think about the answers. :)
I'll second ESX being a SERVER VIRTUALIZATION ONLY. We use it at work, and it doesn't give you a "Desktop". You need to use RDC, or SSH (or direct connect through their Windows client) to get a desktop on the Virtual Machines.
As far as DESKTOP VMs solutions: :) ). As part of the migration I turned her old XP laptop into a VM, and installed it on her new Win7 machine w/VMWare Player which is FREE (as in beer), (although I hear VMWare Server is also now).
I just did a migration of my wife from her XP machine to a new Windows 7 machine (hey, she wants/needs it for her work, I'm happier with Linux/OSX, so to each their own
I've been using VMWare Fusion on my OSX installation and its been great (running both Linux and Windows), but I haven't done anything in terms of Photo work.
Since VMWare DOES have a FREE option to try it (their Converter and Player), you might want to give it a shot and see how well/poorly a VM will do what you want (I'd also suggest Converting the image to a USB drive so the image doesn't need to include a copy of itself :) ).
I guess that's why I'm not a hero and he is, eh? At any rate, the safety of the nameless citizens won out over the safety of his own, which strikes me as odd.
Fixed that for you.
Part of the calculation he said went through his head was that the Pickup was approaching a busy intersection and could easily take out of a row of cars.
Still impressive (which is why he's a hero instead of ordinary news), but more than just "one person in trouble". Might have weighed more on his mind.
I'm sure that the insurance guys will love this explanation!
Actually, according to TFA:
State Farm, Pace's insurance company, covered the roughly $3,500 in damage to Innes' car, and a claim representative sent Innes a letter of appreciation this summer.
"We wish to thank you for the actions you took to save Bill's life," State Farm's Clayton Ande wrote. "State Farm and the Pace family consider you to be a hero. I wish there were more people like you in the world."
He wasn't allowed to use a computer that had 'encryption,
Want to log in to your baking site with ssl. Sorry kid.
Fortunately he can still post to Slashdot.
Well, to be fair, when Netbooks first started coming out it was $200-$400 for a netbook versus $800-$1000 for a laptop.
The advantages the Netbooks offered were portability (size/weight), with a tradeoff for power/ease of use (battery/cpu/gpu/smaller screen and keyboard).
Additionally, the low price compared to a "real" laptop, meant there was less worry involved in them getting damaged, so you could (for instance) give one to a younger child and if they broke it, go buy another.
The specs and price of "Netbooks" have since crept up quite a bit, and the price of laptops has dropped to the point that there is currently less disparity between a small low end laptop and a large high end netbook, but things weren't always like this.
Ok, FTFA, it seems that the researchers did a very simplistic model and then found some videos so that they can measure what the animals actually do and noticed that they did not fit their model. So, nothing to see here until someone really sits down and models the wet dog oscillations with accuracy and tell us what the optimal frequency is (so that we can teach our dog if it is not that good with drying of course!).
Nah, there are easier ways to get dry. My dog quickly moved from the "shake myself dry method" to the "the rug and furniture are my towel method".
She's found this to be truly superior although some preliminary research showing a combined "shake myself dry" followed by "the rug and furniture are my towel" method may be her best option.
When I told her to get off the couch she just grinned and said "I'm a bitch, deal with it."
Not to mention Growl.
Because the masses don't think of Unix for the Desktop, and when they buy their computers from BestBuy or the major online retailers (HP, Dell, Toshiba), Linux isn't a pre-install option on the hardware they choose.
If their machine came pre-installed with Ubuntu, an Office suite (Libre Office for instance) and Flash preinstalled, lots of people would only be interested in updates to their software, and wouldn't care what they are running.
These are the people iOS caters to (and oddly the Netbook crowd, since they aren't running hugely resource intensive apps).
That makes me wonder if they aren't working on a channel for businesses to self deploy Apps for the Enterprise similar to the new method for self-deploying to Enterprise iOS devices.
Yes, but how many buyers/developers are probably going to boycott Windows7 specifically because of this?
Removing functionality that your Devs and/or Users are actively using, is very different from releasing new additional features.
If Apple removed the ability to install new software, then I believe they would shed those users in droves. These are the people who recommended Apple to non-technical users, and helped drive the overall adoption. Chances are those users would jump to Linux near term (Ubuntu?), but either way, the amount of ill will that Apple would garner would significantly hurt the brand.
I keep saying that because of the vehement replies that seem to line up, saying how much they can't stand the idea.
Assuming they are not a vocal minority, then the average Slashdot users seems to prefer either downloading software on their own, installing from an external medium, or writing their own software, to the idea of buying/downloading software from some sort of Central Repository.
The average user though could care less, and would probably prefer the later (for just the reasons you mentioned, among others).
Hate to break it to you, but the "we" who are used to apt-get (or similar) are NOT the majority. At best we are a notable or significant minority. Most end-users find it challenging to update their OS/software at all, let alone keep up to date on Application revisions.
Removing the multiple "stores" is a nice idea, but I don't see Valve (for one) being happy about it. On the other hand, the Direct Sale/Payment Support means Impulse purchases are on the table, which, like the current iOS AppStores, means lots of small/independent developers will happily roll the dice for a chance at a well paying App (once Apple has provided the distribution channels).
And if you buy all your software from one place, through the AppStore, you won't have to run multiple updaters, especially if Apple allows some way for third parties to also sell DVD software with License Keys that the user can use to link the purchased software to their account, and then provide updates. Heck, software makers will love this, since it will remove the ability for secondary sales, and probably include "registration/licensing" monitoring code.
I don't see Apple removing the ability to run non-AppStore Apps, but for the "average end user", I don't see this as the huge loss of freedom most of the voices on here are yelling about.
Well, we know that Jobs loves electronic distribution (not supporting Blu-Ray playback for instance, in favor of Digital Downloads from the iTunes store).
There is probably a market for this though. As more and more people get used to using iOS, they get used to the AppStore. Most average would probably jump at the idea of running a "real computer" with the same "ease of use" features (even though you or I will cringe).
How often do most people usually install software?
The OS comes pre-installed. They MIGHT install an Office Suite or a Web Browser right after they get a new computer. After that, the only time they install software is if they need more functionality (yearly Tax Return Software/New Printer/New Game/Video Editing Software). With the exception of Gaming, most people don't really install new software very often once they have a web-browser and an Office Suite. For them, the idea of Easily Installing/Deinstalling software with just one or two mouse clicks is a compelling idea.
Good sound-bite (sound-byte?), but Grandmother managed to make it just fine into the early 90's and was born just a bit before 1905.
People are living longer and longer, and we're only talking about 85-90 years (heck, my grandmother used to tell us about being a girl and watching this new-fangled thing flying overhead, the airplane).
Reminds me of when ATA66/100/133 came out and in order to take advantage of the new larger HDs you needed a new controller. Maxtor kindly bundled one with their drives. Made it very easy to upgrade existing/old machines until enough new motherboard chipsets included support for the updated protocol.
In all fairness, almost all routers I've seen can disable UPnP with one checkbox.
If you know anything about Networks, you're either you're using NAT because you are forced to, in which case UPnP setting up automatic routes helps KEEP a NAT space from being "broadcast only", or you're using NAT because you have to and are also using it to control access, in which case you've already disabled UPnP and define your own explicit port forwarding to static internal addresses.
Then there is the third choice of "Don't know what NAT or UPnP are" (which covers most people on the Internet). They probably ARE less secure behind NAT routers with the belief that they are "safe", but they are certainly more secure then if they had just plugged directly into the broadband connection with their unpatched Win98/WinXP/Win-DuJour/OSX/Linux machine.
Well, once the large blocks are used up, there will finally be an impact on ISPs/Businesses to start migrating to IPv6. .... right?
Yes and No.
Yes the system is designed around a limit.
Yes there is a limit to what technology can do in a given system.
No technology could still provide a longer term crutch. In this case the technology to look at isn't just Terrestrial.
Take the author at his/her word. We need more resources than the Earth can provide. There are lots of asteroids out there (and at least one planet we can probably land on/mine if we needed to). If we had access to the resources of the Asteroid belt and Mars, combined with Terrestrial recycling and energy generation technologies, we'd probably be fine "longer term" (longer term = the next few hundred years at least, but thats just pulling numbers out of thin air).
Nah, sounds too much like a typical case of American Blind Justice. ;)
(cue music)
"You can get anything you want ..."
And thats a great solution, especially if you're in a Major Metro area with lots of Over-The-Air signals.
I reached the same conclusion when TimeWarnerCable could not keep me from losing a signal every few days for three-four months (with a few service calls checking the equipment).
I'd suggest using the money you're saving to spring for a high-end DVR.
If going the prebuilt route, I've found TiVos to be decent, include a dual tuner (to record to shows simultaneously), and also include clients for Netflix/Blockbuster streaming and AmazonVideo downloads. I'd also suggest springing for the Lifetime service on the box. The cost of lifetime service hits a break even point after ~2-3 years compared with the cost of a monthly subscription, turning the whole box into a sunk expense, instead of a recurring monthly cost.
I'd say if when the rumored Hulu+ module comes out it'd be great, but between lots of Hulu shows not yet available on Hulu+, and the stupidity of the current article Re: Hulu, I"m not sure if that is a + or a -.
A really good summary article about all the alternatives to Cable is here:
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/08/ff_howto_watchtv/, a Wired article from about a month ago.
I'm sure there are bits that are not completely "up to date" (Hulu+ site now lists both TiVo and Roku box as "Coming soon" interfaces), but its still a pretty good read for anyone thinking about "cutting the cable". I've copied the article (in dead tree form before I found the on-line version), and have been handing out copies to friends thinking about taking the plunge.