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NRO Warns They Are On Final IPv4 Address Blocks
eldavojohn writes "According to the Number Resources Organization, they will have issued their final twelve IPv4 blocks in a few months. Each block is 16 million addresses and represents 1/256th of the total addresses issued. We are now down to 12 blocks left in the global pool for issuing to Regional Internet Registries, who will then assign the last addresses that will run out sometime later in 2011. The pool of free addresses works out to be less than half of where we were in January. The new numbers from the NRO indicate estimated global pool IP address exhaustion in a few months, a year earlier than they estimated at the beginning of 2010."
I've heard "we'll run out of addresses in one more year" for the last...well, for certain the last 5 years, but possibly longer.
When will this actually happen?
Living With a Nerd
Liberate those poor, huddled masses of IP addresses.
We can do this together.
How about revoking some of the old Class A addresses that were given out in the beginning of time?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assigned_/8_IPv4_address_blocks
Buy them now, they are going fast. Get your own block of 16 million addresses. Hurry though, as there are only 12 blocks left!
Well, once the large blocks are used up, there will finally be an impact on ISPs/Businesses to start migrating to IPv6. .... right?
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I want to make milk this IPV4 bubble before it pops. Someone out there must be stockpiling and securitizing addresses. Is there a fund or trust out there?
There's no claim of unused IPs back to LIR. I bet that there's a lartgw number of IPv4 blocks actually unused or overbooked.
As a network admin I've never seen a real check about IP usage for customers without ASs.
This looks like the garbage problem. One side is the production, one is the disposal.
You cannot solve this kind of problem by just lookin gat one of the two sides.
Maybe Computers will never be as intelligent as Humans.
For sure they won't ever become so stupid. [VR-1988]
They've been crying wolf for a decade about this. If they'd stop issuing 16 MILLION ip addresses to companies with no viable reason for offices to not use private/NAT addresses, this wouldn't be an issue. How about talking to some of those original companies that got issued /8's? HP now has 2(!!!) /8's in their control. (DEC/Compaq's and their own initial allocation) I doubt a company (even HP) can justify 32 million IPs. Or how about the US DoD? 7(!!!!!) /8's in their control. I find it hard to believe that even the government, who is all about conservation of resources you know, wouldn't be able to use a few different 10.0.0.0/8 networks globally and such. :) (c'mon 112 MILLION ip addresses just for the DoD?! LEARN2NAT ALREADY! Individual missiles do NOT need a public IP address!)
I work for a small company that at most has had 14 full-time employees that started back in the mid 90s. My boss had full class-C block back in the day which worked out to about 20 IPs per employee. He surrendered it years ago, though.
I swear to God...I swear to God! That is NOT how you treat your human!
I worked for a company that had a /8 and may have been using at most /20 worth of them....
Bye!
It will pass silently. Just like the Millennium Bug.
Privacy is terrorism.
That's the same mentality as pawning the stuff in your house because your unemployment insurance is about to run out, rather than putting yourself to work and getting a job.
What happens when you run out of IP blocks to reclaim? (Please don't say NAT.)
Does it make you happy you're so strange?
This is the nerd equivalent of 'peak oil'. Shut the fuck up. Just like IE6 and Windows XP is still around, you will be using IPv4 for years to come.
We will just NAT the NATed NATed NeTed NAT and run the entire internet on a single IP address TRA-LA!
Then there's the free market cool-aid crowd who can't see why bidding wars driving the price of a single IP into the thousands a year is a big deal.
Next up, the "It's so HAAAAAAAAaaaaaRRRRRRRRrrrd!" crowd who don't understand why they should burn their geek card for saying that. That and their close relatives who still haven't realized that very simple firewall rules grant 100% of the security NAT does.
Hasn't the US Department of Defense fully moved to IPv6? It shouldn't need any more than a single block (really, not even that much) of IPv4, yet they still have the following eleven /8 blocks: 7, 11, 21, 22, 26, 28, 29, 30, 33, 214, and 215. The US Army also has 6 and 55 and the US Postal Service (USPS) has 56. That's a LOT of unused IPs.
Use my userscript to add story images to Slashdot. There's no going back.
Actually there are plenty of places where a /30 is used where they could go address less and use a loop back IP only so that gear goes from a /30 per point to point interface to a /32 for the whole box. In any event it's just wasted time we can not reclaim things fast enough to matter just move on to IPv6 and be done with it.
No sir I dont like it.
I know of a class B address block that is sitting unused. It's a weird dispute - company A received it (I was sysadm then @Company A) However, company A split into two - Company B and Company A. Company B claimed the address block as part of their assets, so I let it go (company A was later bought by company C which was then aquired by company D which encouraged most of A and C to find other opportunities.) A few years after the split - company B closed.
A few years (say, about 10) I start snooping around the net, and lo and behold - my original class B addy space has gone untouched! As it turns out, I now work for Company G, and company B's corp lawyer also works for company G, so I shot him a note. He said two things: 1) Company B still claims it as an asset 2) If I aid him in selling it, I'll get a percentage. Also, I read this as: if I upset the apple cart, my butt will be lawyer grass.
Sooooo... Kind slashdotters - help me make things right. My reading, is that the right thing to do is to contact the number gods, and let them know this addy space is idle. However, as someone who has a keen interest in preserving my own butt, I'd don't want to upset the apple card (see above.)
Comments?
No. IPv4 specifies that the host portion of the address with all-0's is the network address, and the all-1's address is the broadcast address for that subnet. If you assign these to an actual host, you will break things very badly. Since a /31 would contain only address 0 and 1, it has no addresses that can be assigned to a host. The /30 subnet is the smallest block that can be given out.
Not a typewriter
Seriously, we've had IPv6 stacks and routing on all the major OS and trunk lines since 2000.
So why should we care?
Move to IPv6 already.
It's like people complaining because SUVs are now outlawed due to low mpg, but there are cheap hybrids and cars that get 36 mpg on the market for the past ten years.
-- Tigger warning: This post may contain tiggers! --
I want IPv4 to run out. The sooner the better. When Y2K was about to come around, all the businesses who had old code some of it from the '60s, started hiring programmers like crazy. They needed to convert all the dates from two digit year to 4 digits. A massive effort but still only a very small amount of the total codebase that was out there needed to be modified.
Fast forward to 2010, 4-byte IPv4 address running out. A new protocol exists but much of the old software and networks cannot use them. The only solution is to hire a massive number of programmers and rewrite the software..
Think of this, every piece of software on every computer that accesses the internet, has to be rewritten. How big is that codebase? A lot larger than Y2K. I can see this pulling in programmer after programmer like some huge vortex, in a race to be done before last address is given out..
You see why I welcome the new of IPv4. The end of the recession in the tech industry and plethora of new job.
Probably around the same time we stop pretending that a toothless regulatory agency staffed via a revolving door to the regulated industry provides any regulation or safe guards to the public.
ARIN has made small IPv6 address acquisition expensive and complicated. /64 for a modest ONE-TIME (under $50) fee, the fee would go into a pool used to assist in the reimbursement of the government and commercial resources used. Heck, use the US Postal Service to make the assignment of a /64 to every square meter orf our territories. River, mountain whatever, doesn't matter, grid it all up and make an assignment and you have almost eliminated BGP fragmentation concerns.
Two things really need to happen. Large providers need to be forced to offer IPv6 to the doorstep.
In order to prevent the fiber rip-off perpetuated on the American people, any monetary reimbursement to be made only after the fact, but the claim and the validation (by trusted 3rd party or gubmint) of completion should be streamlined (under 90 days).
The U.S. gubmint needs to claim, finance (or declare eminent domain on) the allocation of a sufficiently large IPv6 block to allow ANY existing or future public facing connection to claim a
If an entity needs something bigger, go beg ARIN for a independent allocation.
The Department of Education is almost entirely IPvf6 internally. /64 for every building in every school district.
But no one in the DoE or any other gubmint department has taken the initiative to acquire a large enough IPv6 allocation to provide a
Start with the easy part and get the internal networks renumbered while the public infrastructure transitions.
Connection s should have a default standard ACL for inbound and outbound ports in the upstream router. If you need "special" port access, you have to request it. Since you are already doing a transition, limit port 20 connections to the providers server and "teergrube" (rate limit) the number of connections to 1 per minute.
Problem solved! ;)
There is no right to feel safe thru security vaudeville at the expense of everyone's freedom, privacy and tax money.
We'll run out of IPv4 addresses as predicted on Dec 23, 2012. The world will end - or the IT nerd portion of it anyhow... Repent now and convert to IPv6.
This is so great example of fear mongering journalism. Have a couple drinks and you will see what I am talking about. This is one of those problems that has a solution that already exists, but will require some inconvenience to implement. The way the present the article you would think they were talking about oxygen.
RFC3021
"This has been debunked so many times, in this thread and others, that I'm fully in favor of banning anyone who mentions it ever again." - by hardburn (141468) on Monday October 18, @04:38PM (#33938262)
Says you: Where and who absolutely disproved what the person you replied to said, and without any technical questions or doubts?
(Yes, for "some reason" (not)? I tend to think you're just another bullshitter troll, one with multiple registered accounts that have some "karma points" built-up so you can upmod/downmod others as you see fit ('others' meaning your other registered accounts that you access via diff. IP addresses))
I say this because you offer NO proof, and just a lot of "hot air" b.s., and yet you were modded up? Ahem: "BULLSHIT"... a mod up would occur IF you said something decent, and especially something that had some backing behind it, and you clearly do NOT have that.
Paid shills that represent some interest that has something to lose or gain are KNOWN for this, and I won't just pull a line of b.s. like you have in your stating something with NO PROOF behind it!
Instead, I will back what I said, & with someone's words, and a someone that carries quite a bit of street-cred weight around here no less whom I will quote:
"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @04:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192
So, I am sure that after reading that man's words quoted, most folk around here will realize EXACTLY what YOU are: Another "paid for trolling" shill.
(Does "your kind", the lowest of the low online, think you're fooling anyone? You're not fooling myself, or folks like Mr. Perens quoted up there either... on a guess here?? I'd wager you probably are part of some company that stands to make a LOT by selling off the HUGE excesses of IP address blocks given them foolishly once the "artificial scarcity" really starts showing - everyone who has 1/2 a brain realize how these "artificial scarcities" work you know!)
That's for point-to-point links. It doesn't work for 2 hosts plus a gateway.
Not a typewriter
The trick to get arround that is proxy arp. So the end systens think they are on (say) a /24 but all addresses that client doesn't own are picked up by the router and sent to their real owner.
In this way you can allocate any number of IPs to each client and you can share one subnet,broadcast and gateway address between many clients.
note: i'm known as plugwash most places but i screwd up registering that here somehow in the past and now can't register
Oh wow, oh wow. I've had this account for over 10 years. I have no other Slashdot login. I hit the karama cap years ago and just don't care anymore. My only self-interest in this is that I've had to deal with NAT problems for a long time (like trying to get two people to play C&C: Generals behind the same gateway at the same time) and want it dead.
If you want proof, go here or here or here or here or here. Or go look at my posting history, where for some reason, I'm using this shrill account to troll a teabagger. (And yes, I very much am trolling there, and pretty much admit to it in the thread. Like I said, I don't care about karama.)
Not a typewriter
We hear plenty of people acting as if we can duct tape IPv4 for ever and plug their ears at the shear mention of IPv6. The truth is instead of spending energy trying to hold afloat a sinking ship, it may be time to start putting the gang-plank out to that shiny new boat that can take us the rest of the way. It doesn't make sense to wait for the boat to be sunk before jumping ship, since you will find yourself having deal with bigger issues. Then again overpopulation and lack of natural resources may have started world war three in a few years, so none of this is worth worrying about ;)
For those of you that have already decided that its time to make the move, what steps have you put in place to ensure you get to IPv6 in one piece.
BTW Akamai is already working on upgrading its network to support IPv6 and have a target date of 2011. The admit that its going to be a tough challenge, but at least they have recognised it makes sense to start moving now, rather than later.
Jumpstart the tartan drive.
That is exactly what I thought made it funny. Apparently only one person got the joke. Oh well.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
When you google ip sharing NAT is not the first result.
I wonder how many have a bunch of ip's when one with NAT would have been sufficient
Where is Bruce Willis?
Off with their heads!
Build your own energy sources from scratch. http://otherpower.com/
Bruce is behind a NAT device, which is why news of the disaster is never routed to him.
-- Sometimes you have to turn the lights off in order to see.
Hear me out, I'll keep it tl;dr.
Start at 0.0.0.*, these are the bare-root DNS servers, 256 in total.
From those, you have the next level. Repeat until you get to 1.0.0.* and that becomes a NEW bare-root DNS zone.
And from there, you repeat this structure, like a downwards-branching model, very similar to a genetic tree.
This should (assuming a robust enough NAT with a large enough address space,) to allow the IPv4 internet space to last another few millennia, assuming optimal organization and assigning of address space at each level.
Of course, IPv6 was probably designed to do what I propose with fewer digits involved in the address, but hey, eventually it will hit its own limit and either my solution will end up being the optimal one or we design yet another new networking address space.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
We need the vendors like Linksys, Belkin, Apple, Netgear, Motorola and others who make the home routers, cable/ADSL modems and modem/router combos to start supporting IPv6.
And we need ISPs to start supporting IPv6 too.
/31 are commonly used for point to point links between routers
Phase 1 for IPv6 changeover.
First, Just tell the boos that the internet is full unless you buy more. Explain that in order to buy more internet you need the ipv6 extension equipment.
Only tell this in confidence to the highest ranking person wherever you work. This Especially includes those people working at ISP's or other large carriers as they have been feeding their customers with bullshit for years.
Phase 2 or deux
Begin a spam rumor on as many social networking sites as possible. Perhaps even hang out at places that sell $200 monsters HDMI cables...cough...BestBuy.
Simply Tell people that when shopping for a service provider or device, No matter what kind as it really doesn't matter. Tell them that they should ask for, neh demand IPv6 service or built into their watcha-ma-call-it. Anything less and their internet/cell/icpad/pod won't work to it's best. If it isn't ipv6 then internet will have fewer colours, calls will be slow, or sound won't be as clear and pages won't scroll properly and besides ipv4 is old school obsolete crap.
Phase 1-2 is the master plan to get ipv6 adopted. Then everyone can have one number. Doesn't matter what number it is, but everyone can have one.
Nice troll. How about you read all the other comments before claiming the GP is offering no proof and launching into a some shit fit.
and as usual it's from an anonymous coward..
Who uses the most IP addresses ? Is it the users or the servers ? 6 billion people on this planet, and roughly 4 billion available IPs.
Maybe we could kill off a third of the world's population and call it a day. Seems easier than migrating to IPV6
Okay but seriously, how many of us have way more IPs than we need ? If I were to set up proxies at just the few ASPs I contract to, I could probably cull a couple thousand IPs right there, and these are small shops. How many government orgs have a /16 they don't even need nor use ? I know there is a ton of waste out there, so what is being done to recover those idle blocks ?
I don't even want to have that many IPs to worry about. Proxies and VPNs make my life easier by providing an extra layer of security and monitoring in front of my nodes, along with almost-free load balancing. If it weren't for SSL, I'd probably cram all my sites behind a single IP, regardless of platform or physical host. Need more capacity ? Add a node to the round-robin, all in private IP space. Most of us have firewall boxes at the first hop anyway, why not use them for NAT and proxying ?
-Billco, Fnarg.com
The pool of free addresses ...
If they're so rare and valuable, maybe they should start charging for them.
When we run out the world will not break. The internet will stop growing for a while.
There will be those that have ipv4 addresses and those that do not.
Those on the outside and having only ipv6 connectivity will be limited by the rate of adoption on the client side. There will be glitches as ipv6 traffic traverses ipv4 links and gateways.
Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't. Mark Twain.