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Uh, I'll give you a reason: I have an old desktop. It doesn't have a NIC, a modem or anything, which stands to reason as it's a standalone workstation. Ever hear of one of those? No network connectivity. Anything I need to transfer from it goes on a floppy. The computer was free and it's honestly not WORTH the $14 to put a NIC in there, as that $14 would go a long ways towards picking up another machine (say, a $299 Walmart PC) later. The machine doesn't NEED network access (it's used for Gimp and Blender work), and hey, I don't have to worry about security patches because it's not ON A NETWORK, which makes network installations a bit of an impossibility. What's wasteful is network installing debian on multiple machines when you could save bandwidth (and some of us are bandwidth limited or metered) and download a few.iso's and be done with it. Quit telling me what I *should* do and mind your own damn business.
Well, when you have a tribe of 50 people following around a herd and a raiding party of 10 or 12 come running around to slaughter your men, steal your food and rape your women, well, it stands to reason there's not much "mass" to bury..
Your "statements of fact" that humans never used coercive violence are merely statements of "opinion" as we currently have no evidence to support your assertions, or the assertions of anything else.
From observation of modern humans, I'd say there were always fucking assholes in society that liked to make life miserable for the rest.
While I don't support the original poster's assertion that violence causes human development, I think it's naive to think that mankind never engaged in coercive acts of violence against one another prior to whenever. It may be the case that a small tribe of people could travel years without encountering other tribes, which of course would tend to limit inter-tribal violence. However, people are people and people have disagreements. Your "hunting accidents" could be another man's means of homicide.
For all we know, the entire "human race as a battery" paradigm is something invented by the machines and fed to the those who escape "the matrix" (into another matrix) to help convince them of their plight (and to keep them from wondering if they are truly out of the matrix).
You know.. I alluded to this in another post about this story but..
When I was 10 years old, I didn't give a fuck solving problems and math. I liked pretty graphics, music, and joysticks. I was a KID. And most kids I knew were the same. We learned BASIC and whatever so we could make pretty pictures, music, and games, not because we wanted to solve problems and learn math (which we learned in the process, but NOT as the end in itself), but because we liked pretty pictures and music and games. People like you keep thinking of "what's in a kid's best interest" and forget that when you were a kid, when people told you what was in "your best interest" it immediately turned you off of whatever it was you were into.
The key is not to present it in a "Here's a way to solve important mathematical problems that you'll need in the future" but in a "hey, isn't this cool? I wonder how they did that!?" framework.
Not to say your suggestions are bad, but when I was 10 or 11, the last thing on my mind was database tuning.
This is yet another "turn off" for the computing industry for me. I envisioned excitement and adventure (don't ask how). I've found DB's, focus group meetings, and data-migration.:: sigh::
I think there was an article on Quark Express 6 for OS X yesterday that showed this mentality well: Even though QE 6 is on the horizon, many print shops still run 3.32 on OS 9. WHy? Because it works and if ain't broke, don't fix it. I know just about everyone here still knows someone plugging along on some old hardware because it does exactly what they want it to do (hell, look at the Amiga guys). Change for the sake of Change is not necessarily a good idea.
Indeed. What if you need POWER to tow? Try hitching a boat up to your Porsche, or your Nitrous-Honda-Rocket. COmpletely different tasks than trying to impress girls at the local Sonic.
The biggest problem with that, though, is that at the very top, guess what? Outsource them and they're left with their measly multi-million dollar severance package to just "Get by on". Unless they were very financially imprudent, life just goes on for them and they'll never feel the crunch most out-of-work IT workers are facing.
I don't know much about the whole situation, but consider: Serious Sam is considered one of the most fun games of late. It cost $20 at the store. The developers are all in the former Yugoslavia. The cost of living in Yugoslavia (and living wages, etc) are *tiny* compared to the US. Not only do they not have to sell a lot of games to make an equivalent amount of money as they would if they were based here in the US, but it proves that there are LOTS of creative and talented programmers elsewhere who can produce QUALITY work and still make a good living for themselves. Personally, I love seeing other countries offer up their best and brightest, it ups the bar for the rest of us. I like the competition!
An interesting corollary: Most of the top notch sysadmins I know of don't even have computers at home, or if they do, they're mostly used only occasionally, mainly for "entertainment". In fact, these guys are the stereotypical NONgeek. They go to work, analyze data, make adjustments if needed, and go home and do other stuff. They're not into "tweaking" or "hacking". They're into "Getting the job done, quickly and efficiently". I wonder if there's a reason?
Same goes for other professions: A lot of top-notch mechanics I know don't work on their own cars. They work on them all day, why do they want to work on another? They could make GREAT hot-rods and what not, but at the end of the day, they just want dependable transportation to get them around.
I'm not saying it's a great thing or a bad thing, but it's interesting to see that once you do something you think you love for money, sometimes you realize that you don't like it as much as you think you do.:P
The same here. I've been keeping/breeding fish since I was 10, got my first computer when I was 12. I've always been able to put my computer away for stretches of time, but I've never been able to get rid of the fish.
When I started college in 1991, they started quoting salary figures: EE's were on the top of the list, and being a so-called smart kid, EE is where I went. My dad told me then that he thought I was making a huge mistake, that I needed to be in Biology (marine biologist, fisheries, whatever). I found myself bored in EE, bored in CompSci, and basically floundered until a couple years ago when I studied hard and got a little AAS in Computer Programming.
Now I'm in the Computer Field and while it's interesting and on occasion, fun, it's really what I don't want to do. I'm turning 30 and am starting school, this time I'm finishing my bach in Ecological Anthropology (long story) but am going to head to grad school in Biology. The upside is with my tech aptitude, I'll be able to integrate my computer skills with modern research and data collection techniques rapidly, and if I'm really motivated, maybe even innovate some in those fields (some old Engineering may come back, too, in the form of creating remote monitoring solutions and what not).
Basically, I've learned that I love working with and observing animals and even though it pays shit, fuck it. I'd rather spend the rest of my life poor and happy than well-off and miserable.
Just because you like messing with computers doesn't mean you'll like doing it for a living.
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Actually, unless they use a smart-card/key system or have "parking-at-the-rides", I don't see this being viable for amusement parks. I've been to Six Flags and the place is *packed*, could you imagine trying to find "parking spots" for the rented Segway whilst you go toss your cookies on some behemoth Roller Coaster?
Now, the zoo, on the other hand, it might make more sense. You don't really have to park and leave the thing unattended for extreme stretches of time, you can roll through the exhibits.. Hey! Segway the Guggenheim!:)
Also, golf courses might be a decent place to try them out. Rig up a "trailer" for the clubs (Or just sling them on your back) and away you go..
I can't speak for the past few years (I quit awhile back), but FedEx culture in Memphis encourages managers, Managing Directors, VP's, and whomever wants to get a glimpse of the "hub life" to volunteer and work in the Memphis Hub, sorting, handling, stacking boxes like the rest of us. I suppose it keeps your head somewhat at ground level and makes you appreciate that someone, somewhere, is doing the shit work that your decisions directly affect.
What are you *talking* about? I grew up poor, so did quite a few of my friends. We went to shitty public schools, where the teachers didn't care. I still took the AP courses when they were offered but never took the tests (because we couldn't afford them!). I didn't take the damn test until one month before I graduated, and guess what? I still got a scholarship. My friends still scored high, and we were all *poor*. We did well not because we enjoyed learning and pushed each other to learn new shit.
Then I got into college and slacked off and lost the scholarship.:( I'm now almost 30 and returning to finish one degree and hoping to get into grad school.
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Uh, I'll give you a reason: .iso's and be done with it. Quit telling me what I *should* do and mind your own damn business.
I have an old desktop. It doesn't have a NIC, a modem or anything, which stands to reason as it's a standalone workstation. Ever hear of one of those? No network connectivity. Anything I need to transfer from it goes on a floppy. The computer was free and it's honestly not WORTH the $14 to put a NIC in there, as that $14 would go a long ways towards picking up another machine (say, a $299 Walmart PC) later. The machine doesn't NEED network access (it's used for Gimp and Blender work), and hey, I don't have to worry about security patches because it's not ON A NETWORK, which makes network installations a bit of an impossibility.
What's wasteful is network installing debian on multiple machines when you could save bandwidth (and some of us are bandwidth limited or metered) and download a few
Well, when you have a tribe of 50 people following around a herd and a raiding party of 10 or 12 come running around to slaughter your men, steal your food and rape your women, well, it stands to reason there's not much "mass" to bury..
Your "statements of fact" that humans never used coercive violence are merely statements of "opinion" as we currently have no evidence to support your assertions, or the assertions of anything else.
From observation of modern humans, I'd say there were always fucking assholes in society that liked to make life miserable for the rest.
While I don't support the original poster's assertion that violence causes human development, I think it's naive to think that mankind never engaged in coercive acts of violence against one another prior to whenever. It may be the case that a small tribe of people could travel years without encountering other tribes, which of course would tend to limit inter-tribal violence. However, people are people and people have disagreements. Your "hunting accidents" could be another man's means of homicide.
Weapons inspectors are quoted as saying "we are > close to finding WMD in Iraq.."
Believe em when I see em.
Who said any of that is even happening?
For all we know, the entire "human race as a battery" paradigm is something invented by the machines and fed to the those who escape "the matrix" (into another matrix) to help convince them of their plight (and to keep them from wondering if they are truly out of the matrix).
You know.. I alluded to this in another post about this story but..
When I was 10 years old, I didn't give a fuck solving problems and math. I liked pretty graphics, music, and joysticks. I was a KID. And most kids I knew were the same. We learned BASIC and whatever so we could make pretty pictures, music, and games, not because we wanted to solve problems and learn math (which we learned in the process, but NOT as the end in itself), but because we liked pretty pictures and music and games. People like you keep thinking of "what's in a kid's best interest" and forget that when you were a kid, when people told you what was in "your best interest" it immediately turned you off of whatever it was you were into.
The key is not to present it in a "Here's a way to solve important mathematical problems that you'll need in the future" but in a "hey, isn't this cool? I wonder how they did that!?" framework.
And who said everyone wants to be a programmer?
Yay! Let's churn out "yet another codemonkey". :(
:: sigh ::
Not to say your suggestions are bad, but when I was 10 or 11, the last thing on my mind was database tuning.
This is yet another "turn off" for the computing industry for me. I envisioned excitement and adventure (don't ask how). I've found DB's, focus group meetings, and data-migration.
I think there was an article on Quark Express 6 for OS X yesterday that showed this mentality well: Even though QE 6 is on the horizon, many print shops still run 3.32 on OS 9. WHy? Because it works and if ain't broke, don't fix it. I know just about everyone here still knows someone plugging along on some old hardware because it does exactly what they want it to do (hell, look at the Amiga guys). Change for the sake of Change is not necessarily a good idea.
Indeed. What if you need POWER to tow? Try hitching a boat up to your Porsche, or your Nitrous-Honda-Rocket. COmpletely different tasks than trying to impress girls at the local Sonic.
The biggest problem with that, though, is that at the very top, guess what? Outsource them and they're left with their measly multi-million dollar severance package to just "Get by on". Unless they were very financially imprudent, life just goes on for them and they'll never feel the crunch most out-of-work IT workers are facing.
I don't know much about the whole situation, but consider:
Serious Sam is considered one of the most fun games of late. It cost $20 at the store. The developers are all in the former Yugoslavia. The cost of living in Yugoslavia (and living wages, etc) are *tiny* compared to the US. Not only do they not have to sell a lot of games to make an equivalent amount of money as they would if they were based here in the US, but it proves that there are LOTS of creative and talented programmers elsewhere who can produce QUALITY work and still make a good living for themselves. Personally, I love seeing other countries offer up their best and brightest, it ups the bar for the rest of us. I like the competition!
So.. um.. you guys have chicks there? I might have to change distros if Gentoo gets chicks.
Yah, my apologies.. I ruined that one.. :P :: can't watch flash at work :: :(
Trogdor was a man.. er..
Trogdor was a dragon..man... um..
Trogdor was a dragon..
Actually, that's why you have one tank with an Oscar or other "big cichlid" in it. Free food for the big fish and overpopulation goes away... ;)
I'll be sure to post where I work(ed) when I do so you guys can get a heads up. ;)
I've got a great DDoS technique for the spammers:
It's called me, a baseball bat, and his fingers.
I'm sure after a good introduction that the spammer in question would be unable to provide service for awhile.
An interesting corollary: Most of the top notch sysadmins I know of don't even have computers at home, or if they do, they're mostly used only occasionally, mainly for "entertainment". In fact, these guys are the stereotypical NONgeek. They go to work, analyze data, make adjustments if needed, and go home and do other stuff. They're not into "tweaking" or "hacking". They're into "Getting the job done, quickly and efficiently". I wonder if there's a reason?
:P
Same goes for other professions: A lot of top-notch mechanics I know don't work on their own cars. They work on them all day, why do they want to work on another? They could make GREAT hot-rods and what not, but at the end of the day, they just want dependable transportation to get them around.
I'm not saying it's a great thing or a bad thing, but it's interesting to see that once you do something you think you love for money, sometimes you realize that you don't like it as much as you think you do.
The same here. I've been keeping/breeding fish since I was 10, got my first computer when I was 12. I've always been able to put my computer away for stretches of time, but I've never been able to get rid of the fish.
When I started college in 1991, they started quoting salary figures: EE's were on the top of the list, and being a so-called smart kid, EE is where I went. My dad told me then that he thought I was making a huge mistake, that I needed to be in Biology (marine biologist, fisheries, whatever). I found myself bored in EE, bored in CompSci, and basically floundered until a couple years ago when I studied hard and got a little AAS in Computer Programming.
Now I'm in the Computer Field and while it's interesting and on occasion, fun, it's really what I don't want to do. I'm turning 30 and am starting school, this time I'm finishing my bach in Ecological Anthropology (long story) but am going to head to grad school in Biology. The upside is with my tech aptitude, I'll be able to integrate my computer skills with modern research and data collection techniques rapidly, and if I'm really motivated, maybe even innovate some in those fields (some old Engineering may come back, too, in the form of creating remote monitoring solutions and what not).
Basically, I've learned that I love working with and observing animals and even though it pays shit, fuck it. I'd rather spend the rest of my life poor and happy than well-off and miserable.
Just because you like messing with computers doesn't mean you'll like doing it for a living.
Actually, unless they use a smart-card/key system or have "parking-at-the-rides", I don't see this being viable for amusement parks. I've been to Six Flags and the place is *packed*, could you imagine trying to find "parking spots" for the rented Segway whilst you go toss your cookies on some behemoth Roller Coaster?
:)
Now, the zoo, on the other hand, it might make more sense. You don't really have to park and leave the thing unattended for extreme stretches of time, you can roll through the exhibits.. Hey! Segway the Guggenheim!
Also, golf courses might be a decent place to try them out. Rig up a "trailer" for the clubs (Or just sling them on your back) and away you go..
Why do I get the feeling I just read that "BSD is dying" post in reverse?
Actually, the local strip clubs around here have a massive counterfeiting problem... And this was before the "fake check" in "Catch me if you can". :P
I can't speak for the past few years (I quit awhile back), but FedEx culture in Memphis encourages managers, Managing Directors, VP's, and whomever wants to get a glimpse of the "hub life" to volunteer and work in the Memphis Hub, sorting, handling, stacking boxes like the rest of us. I suppose it keeps your head somewhat at ground level and makes you appreciate that someone, somewhere, is doing the shit work that your decisions directly affect.
What are you *talking* about? I grew up poor, so did quite a few of my friends. We went to shitty public schools, where the teachers didn't care. I still took the AP courses when they were offered but never took the tests (because we couldn't afford them!). I didn't take the damn test until one month before I graduated, and guess what? I still got a scholarship. My friends still scored high, and we were all *poor*. We did well not because we enjoyed learning and pushed each other to learn new shit.
:( I'm now almost 30 and returning to finish one degree and hoping to get into grad school.
Then I got into college and slacked off and lost the scholarship.
What the hell. I've got karma to burn.
*ahem*
There are no Soviet hot grits stuffing hot pants down you! They are committing suicide at the Gap!
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