The New York times has had to retract far more stories than Fox News. NYT has been shown to be incredibly biased and like many other liberal news sources, has manufactured news. Again, you are living in your bubble, which is sad. You just ignore these truths because those other things support a narrative that you have never questioned nor investigated. You are the very definition of ignorant.
An intelligent person, unlike yourself, would read from many perspectives and always be challenging their assumptions. Each ideology has limits. Someday, you might grow up enough to understand this.
It takes a certain level of stupid to still think the ACA is not the most misleadingly named law in existence. Sadly, not only does the above poster exist in a world so devoid of facts and personal observation that he doesn't understand this, but someone else of equally limited analytical ability modded him up. Since like most posts supporting liberal ideology on these forums, it contained emotion, pejoratives, and NO LINKS BACKING UP THE ARGUMENTS, I will provide some.
1. Then President Obama told the people that his plan would save them on average $2500 and allow them to keep the same level of care. In fact, they new this to be a lie, as was admitted at a fund raiser where the speaker basically is laughing at how stupid people like you are. Personally, that would bother me, but you may like it when your leaders lie and ridicule you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
2. The cost of medical insurance has more than doubled since AFC was enacted. In 2013, families typically paid $2784. Now, they pay $5712. http://www.breitbart.com/big-g...
3.This year is going to be even more devastating. Here is a link from the liberally biased Politico so you don't think it is just "evil" conservatives making things up:
4. At no point does Trump say that he wants to remove ACA taxes from the rich. This is simply a deluded fantasy on your part, or something that you read from a basement blogger with this fantasy. In fact, he wants to try to keep many protections for the poor and infirm. I know honesty is hard for you, but try to read first. http://thehill.com/policy/heal...
BTW, yes, I am being harsh and yes I am annoyed. I am sick of slander being modded up in these forums. Lets keep the debates honest and not make shit up. Lets have more reason and less emotion. Or, are you simply scared that if you are honest and analyze facts, you may have to change your world view?
The hard truth is that in the U.S the major political parties have merged into a super party that you can call demublicans. They go to same parties, think the same things, and make the same policies. This is why you seldom see much real change with shifting governments. For example, Republicans claimed to want to repeal Obamacare when they didn't have the presidency, but when it is a real option, many forgot their zeal. The reason is that most, including the leaders are demublicans. They all secretly agreed on the policy, and were going to do it, despite what people actually thought.
The sad thing is, they deumblicans divide us by giving each side a colored jersey, and encourage blind loyalty. My God, just look at these forums, It is common to decry Fox News or any conservative source of ideas, but if your team suddenly adopts an idea, well it is just peachy. It just matters that your team said it, not the truth of the matter. Don't believe it? Look at this thread! For years conservatives tried to explain that numbers are rigged to make it look better than the disaster that it is. Now that your team is out of office, you suddenly understand the numbers are being fiddled with because you can blame it on the other guy.
Don't you see it doesn't matter which color jersey wins, we lose?
Do you not understand that the real email server story is that the democrat party colluded to crush the campaign of Bernie Sanders and to suppress popular will? You think your color jersey is good and innocent? Please, wake up.
If we are going to get anywhere and save ourselves, we have to take off our jerseys and form a new team. One where we try to honestly asses the world and look for real solutions. Otherwise, the above posters nightmare will soon be true.
The better question should be: How can you be so stupid to only exist in a tiny bubble filled with people who only agree with you and never seriously examine any argument that challenges your world view?
See if you are in West Virginia, you are just a low IQ person with little hope because you are not cool enough to be in the coast. You are generationally poor, bad attitude, and low ambition. You feel that there is no hope, so you may not try as hard. Ha ha ha, look at those idiots, born with low IQ.
Wait, it seems to me we have other populations in the country who suffer from the same issues. Are you asserting they also suffer from intrinsic, low IQ? Interesting. I think someone even wrote a book you may like:
I find it fascinating that people can so readily bash others, so long as the media says its ok to do so to that group. Yet, even hint about this for another group and you will raise a shit-storm. I guess in your world, being consistent doesn't matter, but believing what your told does.
Btw, when the robots, Asians, or whatever come for your job, you will be gleefully posting in these forums that your IQ wasn't high enough, right?
There may be reasons that the US immigration policy is a mess compared to the rest of the world. There may be reasons that a lot of the world's problems are due to a president in office for about half a year. The thing is, we will never know if this is true because there are so many zealots on this forum that substitute name-calling for fact based discussion.
Shame on you slashdot for modding this up. This type of parochial tribalism, not Trump, is exactly what is wrong with the world.
A. You understand that a sizable fraction of the muslim population wants you dead, as evidenced by the numerous attacks against people listening to music, seeing tourist sights, or having a meal out, during the last few weeks. You understand that this culture does not practice tolerance as you understand it, including issues of women's rights, homosexual right to survival, and freedom of religion (or even agnosticism).
B. You are a moron.
Please insert your answer for scoring by the larger/dot community.
I am always surprised that many people on these forums do not understand that their ideology has become a religion. Religions are based on articles of faith and can't be questioned. To do so is commit heresy, which is a high crime. Unfortunately, this is exactly what is going on in this entire thread. People are angry. They are defensive. They can not accept the simple truth that solar panels do cause pollution in there creation and degradation.
As a scientist, a teach that science, when practiced well, is dispassionate. The data is not good. It is not bad. It is not a moral question. If you are feeling strongly about the data, then you are probably warping the analysis. Scientists weigh the facts and come to conclusions based on those facts. A scientist should actually be happy when errors are found, because this means that their hypothesis can be improved and the world can be explained a little better. This is not what is happening here. Because for many topics on these forums, people have forgotten these principals. They so want certain outcomes to be true, that they go to great lengths to discount any questions or questioners, or even any notion that challenges assumptions. This takes things from the realm of science to the realm of faith.
A simple test. If someone challenges an idea, and you find yourself angry, then that is a matter of faith for you.
If you think that this challenge is interesting, and then you examine to see how it can improve your understanding, then you are still in the realm of science.
It is painful when articles of faith are challenged. For many people, they can't handle the thought their beliefs may be flawed. Because if the faith is flawed, then their entire world view may be based on a house of lies. Few have the courage to examine their faith. The above postings show this.
For example, this is a forum filled with people from various tech fields. Most are aware of how semi-conductors are made. The processes involved in CVD and other such processes are not what anyone would call environmentally benign, no matter how much Timmy Cook tries to sugar coat this. We tend to ignore this, because lets face it, tech is cool. Similarly, I know that some icky stuff happens at the butcher, but I choose to ignore it because I like steak. But no matter how much I like steak, it never, ever means that the terrible things at the butcher didn't happen. Same with micro-electronics.
If you can take a step back and be intellectually honest, you understand that all these electronic doodads made with heavy metals and other interesting materials are not terribly good land fill material either. So, its really not a stretch to think that all those un-upgradable imacs, your smart phone that you replace every year, and yes, even those solar panels are not degrading in a green way.
We can all agree that this study may have some holes in it. It may be wrong on some of the specifics. Maybe comparing it to nuclear waste was for shock value. The amounts reported to create environmental damage may contain some hyperbole. Sure. But, the bald truth is these things ARE toxic. As you mass produce them, this problem will only grow. It is an interesting question to ask questions about the environmental impact of solar, instead of merely assuming it is non-polluting. If this is done right, then we can compare it to other energy sources, such as wind, nuclear and even fossil fuels and see what is less damaging in the true sense..
Now, if you can overcome your faith and except this, you are finally at a point where an honest discussion can be had. One where we look at each solution attempt to weigh the pro's and cons. In doing so, solutions can be found. This is was the Enlightenment was about at its core, and by extension modern civilization. We seem to be getting away from this. That is not good.
Please note, we can have this discussion without demonizing each other. See I am conservative, and lets face it, these forums allow and often encourage
Very few modern riots are spontaneous. Usually, they are orchestrated political affairs by those who wish to intimidate others. Follow the money. Twitter can show the planning. Be aware of the world.
Say you are in the mood to buy a new chair. You go and google 'chair price' or something like that. Several options show up. As it turns out, google favors companies that sell chairs and pay for google advertising. They may not be the most famous company, the best reviewed company, etc. but they will get top billing.
When confronted with a long list, human nature is such that you choose something near the top. We are all lazy and who wants to read that much unnecessary stuff. This makes primacy pretty powerful in a search list. That said, technically google will display non-advertising vendors too, just further down the page or on the dreaded page two.
Keep in mind google also does this for most things, including news services or political discussions that it favors, to shape public opinion. How you are mass manipulated without your awareness is a deep and profound discussion, but that should be saved for another day. Walk before you run grasshopper.
Getting back to the point, google also shapes your searches by 'reading' your gmail and creating profiles about stuff that you have searched. Sadly, by this point, google knows more about you than many of your friends. It will place advertisements on web pages related to what it knows about you. It will also order your search hits based upon what it knows about you.
Keep in mind, nothing is for free. Many people enjoy their "free" browser, "free" email, and "free" search engine without giving a moments thought about how google gives away everything but yet still pays all those California engineers six figure salaries. A wise man once said to me:
"If there is no price on something, then you are the product."
Slashdot poster: It is perfectly reasonably for any Euro or Asian country to have economic protectionism to protect their companies and the jobs of their citizens. Slashdot Community: Preach to me sister! Mod that dude up to the sky!!!!!!!!!!!
Trump: It is stupid for America to continually enter one sided trade deals where the other country uses protectionism, and our companies get savaged. We need to start thinking of America first and use protections when they do. Slashdot Community: Trump and ALL his ideas are evil, even if it matches conventional wisdom on these forums. Mod anyone down who agrees with him, and kill their pets too!!!!!!
In typical modern slashdot fashion, a person is marked up because he made a "cool" sounding claim. This claim of course is unsupported, and is likely made up. But hey, don't let truth get in the way of a good story, right?
This particular lie bothered me because I remembered reading something a long time ago that implied the opposite. I will admit it took me the better part of an hour to find this article. It is about how the U.S. Army had switched to Mac OS in 1999 for their web page, since they were sick of having it defaced. (this is pre OS X).
We interrupt our daily, reflexive dose of Trump bashing to attempt to have a legitimate conversation. Like too many things on modern slashdot, this post starts off with the bashing of all things Trump and non-liberal ideology, instead of actually just talking about the issues in an honest way, and evaluating the proposed solutions to get to the truth.
A little investigation yields that there are elements of hyperbole and FUD in the article and the issue general. At the simplest level, it seems easy to feed into the wrong-headed narrative that Trump and conservatives are anti-liberty, even thought the opposite is generally true. A deeper look into the issue has more nuance. Almost as if people are not cartoon villains and have different perspectives in looking out for the greater well being. Almost.
The counter argument is that the Obama era bill only provided protections against what ISP companies can do with your data. In limiting the scope, it actually opened the door for other companies like say M.S., Apple, or Alphabet to be a little more nefarious in their data collection rules. The current rules in house GLB Act and the existing FCC standards on the book already provided larger scale protections than the new rules, so replacing them is actually harmful to consumer.
Now, I am not a lawyer, and I will admit to not being the 'net expert of many of the readers of these forums. If the existing rules do not go far enough I am happy to hear an honest non-partisan name calling discussion about why. I am also curious to see if the new California bill actually improves things, or if it is well meaning but damaging?
Worse, is it a bill that sounds nice, but when you look at it, it was written by tech sector lobbyists to gather more data? I guess I am really struck by the line Nick Fury says in the Avengers, "you say you want peace, but I think you mean that other thing."
In case you are curious, here is a link discussing the other side of the issue. I am sure that there are others. http://thehill.com/blogs/pundi...
The question becomes, are people on these forums remotely interested in finding answer to issues, or is it going to be non-stop tribalism all the time?
Yes, you refine the oil, then export it. Everything I said still stands.
Purposely obscuring the argument does not make you correct, or even appear to be smart.
I included a link backing all that I said. Since it was about Sweden, even the most casual reader could infer that I did not mean Norway.
Nothing in what I said created fear or claimed to inspire it. So, no, I am not fear mongering. Perhaps you do not understand what that phrase means. I will give you a hint. It does not mean "someone who disagrees with me and my uneducated assertions." So, your usage was off.
BTW, let me educate you further. After refining petrochemicals, the next large part of your economy is derived from the manufacture of pharmaceuticals, followed by car production. By any stretch of the imagination, none of these rely on green processes, especially when you include all the parts and chemicals that are required. I bring this up because adults understand that the world is complicated. They address all facts, especially the hard ones. They make the best choices they can based on this.
Children hide behind convent lies, because it makes them feel better. So, you can go enjoy some nice milk and cookies, and pretend that your country is "green" by 2045, while ignoring the fact that all the money made for these green processes relies on incredible pollution.
Actually, a great deal of that coal was sold to other nations, who actually have an industrial base. These nations are where all the products that you so enjoy are manufactured, with minimal environmental standards and abhorrent labor laws. But, this is all done out of sight, so that makes it ok in your book.
Why? because unlike the people who lost their jobs, you are truly stupid because you clearly don't understand this.
The law should be titled:
Except for all the pollution that results from all the oil that we export, which is our number one source of revenue for our economy, Sweden plans to be carbon neutral by the year 2045.
It is easy to bull shit and be sanctimonious, harder to actually be an adult and make real, hard choices about life, or at least appreciate those that do.
http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/...
Its interesting how you go out of your way to say that you are Finnish, and not as just a person from the EU. This means that you hold some allegiance to Finland and are proud of your country, and rightly so. This also probably means that you understand that the issues and needs of the people of Finland might be different than those of say, Greece.
Now, lets say that we do what you just said and merge all political power into the greater EU state. This means that 4 countries, Germany, Italy, France and England (if you still include them) control over 50% of the EU population. This means that they can group together and say, we are the most advanced, civilized part of the EU, unlike those backwards people from Frostover Country, and we should allocate most of the resources to central core. In fact, any ideals and values of those Frostover people, like Finland, are really silly and we should simply remove them. This is ok, because the people of France, England, Germany and Italy say so. They have more people after all.
If you are being honest, you will admit that as a proud member of Finland, you are not quite ready to abrogate all sense of history and identity. You like total population rule because 1. You are a member of the urban populace in Finland, not the sparse rural area, so it works for you. 2. You are not asked to yet asked to subsume your identity to a larger culture just because they out-breed you.
As a citizen of the U.S., I have lived in most of the regions of the country in my life. You may not understand this from afar, but the people of each state in our union have a different culture, ideals, and history than the other states. We are equally proud of our heritage and do not want to be forced by the whims of greater mass that out-breeds us. Especially one that has policies that lead to such human misery.
Also, for comparison, Finland has about the same population as the U.S. state of Minnesota. As the 22nd most populated sate, you would be apart of what New Work and Californians affectionately call flyover country. They say this because they believe all the people in the middle do not matter. Does this all make sense now?
Saying the right things is different than doing them. I think you are getting them confused. If he went balls to wall trying to work with this administration, especially in areas where there was common ground, you would be absolute correct. But the reality is far from it. ,br>
Even in areas where Tim Cook preachers, it is just hype. If you wan't social programs, then you have to pay taxes. You don't HAVE to use the loop holes. You could be an example of a socially responsible company. Keep in mind Apple's capitalization. They can afford to do the right thing. But is easier to talk about other's doing it.
Time Cook pretends to be green. Yet, he ignores the environmental disaster that is the company that he runs. Making semiconductors is toxic. I am sorry if you never thought about. The chemicals used in masking etc are not anywhere near ecco-friendly. Putting up some solar panels but doing your manufacturing in China so you can ignore environmental regulations and pollute the shit of things for cheap, does not make you green. (read Jobs' book, its in there).
While we are on the topic, Tim Cook made decisions that caused the Mac to be non-upgradable. He changed things like the iMac so memory was soldered to the board and sealed the computer so the hard disk could not be replaced. This ensures obsolescence. So, even if you can accept the green cost of making a computer, then a responsible person would want to get all the life out of it that they could. This would be environmentally responsible, right? Apple does the opposite.
So, yeah, people don't Apple and Tim bash because they just need a villain. They do it because there are some good reasons. No one likes people who say one thing,and do another. Especially when they carry a holier than though attitude.
Ps. My bet is ol' Timmy is that he donated to many of the organization that lead the Nazi Hodgkinson assassination attempt yesterday. Blood on the hands can make one contrite.
You make this argument because it is Apple, and not a "dirty" oil company, because you likely believe Apple is a "good" socially responsible company, even if they are not.
The problem is that these large companies hire expensive lawyers and lobbyists to make the rules. Apple is also guilty of this. So, this is not a simple case of "oooops, lookey here, i found me a deduction." It is more along the lines of, "I will donate X to your campaign, and you make me a 8x deduction. It is wrong and despicable. Don't forgive companies for doing this.....Especially Apple and Google, who claim to be socially responsible, then hides from paying taxes so less services can be provided. Hypocrites suck. No matter how much they put a good face eon it.
Last week in London, a person much like yourself, decided he can't tolerate any difference of opinion. He drove a car into a crowd of people killing several. Like you, he could not tolerate someone having a difference of opinion, and advocated violence against those who disagree.
The thing is, my stupid friend, is that he did not need a gun to silence others. The problem is not guns, but terrible people like yourself who think it is cool, or funny, or righteous to murder those with different opinions.
When I read and post on these forums, I am disparaged for being conservative. I am called ignorant, racist, and violent...because I disagree with the Bay Area take on tax policy and the way to achieve human dignity. But yet again, here we are with yet another news story where someone from the left is using violence to silence others.
At some point, don't you guys have to look in the mirror and notice there is something wrong with you? ALL these shootings, all violent political protest are coming from your ideology. How quickly you forget shootings like Senator Gabby Giffords came from a leftist. You claim tolerance, but in actuality practice none. Do you not think that those "cute" photos showing the beheading of Trump have an effect on society? Do you not see how all this talk of people who disagree with you as evil, inhuman, and beneath contempt doesn't translate to this?
In these forums, the stench of this ignorance runs rampant. If you post any hate few spew about the president, a republican, or a conservative, it will be modded up. The more dehumanizing, the higher the mod. None of these posts are ever backed with links, or logical arguments. It is enough to hate.
And when the hate is expressed in the inevitable outcome of murder, you will pretend you had nothing to do with it. Instead of preaching calm or making reasoned arguments, you will conveniently forget how you fed the hate machine. The blood of these killings in partly on your hands, and my guess is that most of you are too chicken shit to look in the mirror and ask why is my so called ideology of peace and tolerance producing so much violence?
Sadly, the above post is typical of modern slashdot, where group think and unsubstantiated attacks are modded up as "smart.".
Statement 1: Weak and Ineffective US: This statement is founded on the premise that the United States is somehow weak and ineffective. There is no reasons given to back this claim, and non that could be possibly substantiated. What exactly do you suppose as made the U.S. weaker? Is it the call to increase U.S. industry by undoing horribly lopsided trade deals that drain our wealth? Is the U.S. made weaker by asking NATO members to actually contribute to their defense at a proportion to the GDP as ours? Is it made weaker by asking the press to cover both political parties with the same zeal, instead of cheerleading for one? I am confused by how weaker?
Statement 2: Illiterate President. As is well known, he has ran a successful multibillion dollar corporation. Although he did start with wealth, he increased it several times. A good analog would be Elon Musk, turning a small company Zip2 into larger ones through sales and mergers. Success at these levels is rarely the work of an illiterate. Disagreeing with someone does not make the illiterate, but it if you think it does that means you are intellectually close to one.
Furthermore, we know he graduated from Fordham and Penn with and economics degree. We do not know his GPA. In contrast, the previous president had failing grades at a private high school (read his autobiography) yet somehow got admitted to an Ivy league school, and his grades are also not known, but was not reported to be a great student. Did you hold him to the same criticism?
Alienate the press: CNN actually gave his opponent the questions for the debate. The coverage on the other networks were laughably biased, with numerous other errors and gaffs made. The press in the U.S. is no longer the press, but an arm of the democrat party. This is dangerous and tragic and should not be applauded. The press should be about uncovering truth, not suppressing it. Speaking of which...
The whole Russia is blame part of this thread. Lets be clear about what happened. Hillary Clinton and the DNC conspired to fix the democrat primary. They controlled the media, the timing of events, and funding to make Berny Sanders seem like a buffoon and have no chance. In all honesty, he had drawn many of the same concussions about the system being corrupt as Mr. Trump, but offered different solutions. The press knowingly helped burry the story of the unfair primary election.
The Russian hackers helped bring to light these issues. Through them, we learned that the Sanders supporters were denied a legitimate shot. The Russians did not report anything that was untrue. Do you understand that? The Russians were the force of truth and light in this election. For that, we in the U.S. should be ashamed.
In this thread and others like it today, people are acting like the Russians made up horribly untruths and it cost Hillary the election. For some reason of nothing less than extreme stupidity, there are posters who conveniently seem to forget what the so called fake news was, and why it worked. Hillary attempted to fix the fucking election, and thankfully, despite a biased media, she got caught. The people who got cheated were angry, and did not vote. Its that simple.
So, instead of feeling this false righteousness because you hate the current president for no particularly good reason, look in the mirror. Please stop the bullshit character assassinations. Try to grow up, and hold all politicians to a high standard, instead of just one.
"Intellectual Property" should be abolished; patents in particular are evil. Patents are one of the biggest reasons we in 2017 we have 'robbed of our Jetsons future'.
While this entire thread is full of thoughtful discussions that defend their arguments with logic and referenced facts, the above post has none of these traits, and should not be modded up and encouraged. Although a reader or moderator may have a knee jerk reaction to agree because we all know sticking to the man is fun, that particular post does nothing to explain "why" patents should be abolished and "how" patents robbed us of the Jetsons future. This is a poor argument, and not a terribly original one. There is nothing in it that enlightens or honestly, surprises. It celebrates group think and dogma. This is the ugly side of slashdot, and it really should stop.
To play devil's advocate, the OP writes that intellectual property should be abolished. The funny thing is, the people who claim this never seem to think that THEIR intellectual property should be abolished, just someone else's. For example, a high percentage of the people on this forum write code or design web pages. They get paid very well for doing so. Yet, they don't seem so excited to publish their source code here. I mean, if you truly do not believe in intellectual property then you have no compunctions against giving me all your work, so I can sell it to a company for less than you did. No one reading this will do so, because they believe that THEIR work has value and THEIR intellectual property should be protected. What people like the OP mean is that they want other people to write movies and games for them for free.
Maybe you agree with the last paragraph, perhaps not, and you can find holes in the argument and with facts refute it. Please do. That would be an honest, interesting discussion.....unlike what the OP got modded up for, somehow.
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The New York times has had to retract far more stories than Fox News. NYT has been shown to be incredibly biased and like many other liberal news sources, has manufactured news. Again, you are living in your bubble, which is sad. You just ignore these truths because those other things support a narrative that you have never questioned nor investigated. You are the very definition of ignorant.
An intelligent person, unlike yourself, would read from many perspectives and always be challenging their assumptions. Each ideology has limits. Someday, you might grow up enough to understand this.
It takes a certain level of stupid to still think the ACA is not the most misleadingly named law in existence. Sadly, not only does the above poster exist in a world so devoid of facts and personal observation that he doesn't understand this, but someone else of equally limited analytical ability modded him up. Since like most posts supporting liberal ideology on these forums, it contained emotion, pejoratives, and NO LINKS BACKING UP THE ARGUMENTS, I will provide some.
1. Then President Obama told the people that his plan would save them on average $2500 and allow them to keep the same level of care. In fact, they new this to be a lie, as was admitted at a fund raiser where the speaker basically is laughing at how stupid people like you are. Personally, that would bother me, but you may like it when your leaders lie and ridicule you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
2. The cost of medical insurance has more than doubled since AFC was enacted. In 2013, families typically paid $2784. Now, they pay $5712. http://www.breitbart.com/big-g...
3.This year is going to be even more devastating. Here is a link from the liberally biased Politico so you don't think it is just "evil" conservatives making things up:
http://www.politico.com/story/...
4. At no point does Trump say that he wants to remove ACA taxes from the rich. This is simply a deluded fantasy on your part, or something that you read from a basement blogger with this fantasy. In fact, he wants to try to keep many protections for the poor and infirm. I know honesty is hard for you, but try to read first. http://thehill.com/policy/heal...
BTW, yes, I am being harsh and yes I am annoyed. I am sick of slander being modded up in these forums. Lets keep the debates honest and not make shit up. Lets have more reason and less emotion. Or, are you simply scared that if you are honest and analyze facts, you may have to change your world view?
The hard truth is that in the U.S the major political parties have merged into a super party that you can call demublicans. They go to same parties, think the same things, and make the same policies. This is why you seldom see much real change with shifting governments. For example, Republicans claimed to want to repeal Obamacare when they didn't have the presidency, but when it is a real option, many forgot their zeal. The reason is that most, including the leaders are demublicans. They all secretly agreed on the policy, and were going to do it, despite what people actually thought.
The sad thing is, they deumblicans divide us by giving each side a colored jersey, and encourage blind loyalty. My God, just look at these forums, It is common to decry Fox News or any conservative source of ideas, but if your team suddenly adopts an idea, well it is just peachy. It just matters that your team said it, not the truth of the matter. Don't believe it? Look at this thread! For years conservatives tried to explain that numbers are rigged to make it look better than the disaster that it is. Now that your team is out of office, you suddenly understand the numbers are being fiddled with because you can blame it on the other guy.
Don't you see it doesn't matter which color jersey wins, we lose?
Do you not understand that the real email server story is that the democrat party colluded to crush the campaign of Bernie Sanders and to suppress popular will? You think your color jersey is good and innocent? Please, wake up.
If we are going to get anywhere and save ourselves, we have to take off our jerseys and form a new team. One where we try to honestly asses the world and look for real solutions. Otherwise, the above posters nightmare will soon be true.
The better question should be: How can you be so stupid to only exist in a tiny bubble filled with people who only agree with you and never seriously examine any argument that challenges your world view?
See if you are in West Virginia, you are just a low IQ person with little hope because you are not cool enough to be in the coast. You are generationally poor, bad attitude, and low ambition. You feel that there is no hope, so you may not try as hard. Ha ha ha, look at those idiots, born with low IQ.
Wait, it seems to me we have other populations in the country who suffer from the same issues. Are you asserting they also suffer from intrinsic, low IQ? Interesting. I think someone even wrote a book you may like:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
I find it fascinating that people can so readily bash others, so long as the media says its ok to do so to that group. Yet, even hint about this for another group and you will raise a shit-storm. I guess in your world, being consistent doesn't matter, but believing what your told does.
Btw, when the robots, Asians, or whatever come for your job, you will be gleefully posting in these forums that your IQ wasn't high enough, right?
There may be reasons that the US immigration policy is a mess compared to the rest of the world. There may be reasons that a lot of the world's problems are due to a president in office for about half a year. The thing is, we will never know if this is true because there are so many zealots on this forum that substitute name-calling for fact based discussion.
Shame on you slashdot for modding this up. This type of parochial tribalism, not Trump, is exactly what is wrong with the world.
A. You understand that a sizable fraction of the muslim population wants you dead, as evidenced by the numerous attacks against people listening to music, seeing tourist sights, or having a meal out, during the last few weeks. You understand that this culture does not practice tolerance as you understand it, including issues of women's rights, homosexual right to survival, and freedom of religion (or even agnosticism).
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B. You are a moron.
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I am always surprised that many people on these forums do not understand that their ideology has become a religion. Religions are based on articles of faith and can't be questioned. To do so is commit heresy, which is a high crime. Unfortunately, this is exactly what is going on in this entire thread. People are angry. They are defensive. They can not accept the simple truth that solar panels do cause pollution in there creation and degradation.
As a scientist, a teach that science, when practiced well, is dispassionate. The data is not good. It is not bad. It is not a moral question. If you are feeling strongly about the data, then you are probably warping the analysis. Scientists weigh the facts and come to conclusions based on those facts. A scientist should actually be happy when errors are found, because this means that their hypothesis can be improved and the world can be explained a little better. This is not what is happening here. Because for many topics on these forums, people have forgotten these principals. They so want certain outcomes to be true, that they go to great lengths to discount any questions or questioners, or even any notion that challenges assumptions. This takes things from the realm of science to the realm of faith.
A simple test. If someone challenges an idea, and you find yourself angry, then that is a matter of faith for you.
If you think that this challenge is interesting, and then you examine to see how it can improve your understanding, then you are still in the realm of science.
It is painful when articles of faith are challenged. For many people, they can't handle the thought their beliefs may be flawed. Because if the faith is flawed, then their entire world view may be based on a house of lies. Few have the courage to examine their faith. The above postings show this.
For example, this is a forum filled with people from various tech fields. Most are aware of how semi-conductors are made. The processes involved in CVD and other such processes are not what anyone would call environmentally benign, no matter how much Timmy Cook tries to sugar coat this. We tend to ignore this, because lets face it, tech is cool. Similarly, I know that some icky stuff happens at the butcher, but I choose to ignore it because I like steak. But no matter how much I like steak, it never, ever means that the terrible things at the butcher didn't happen. Same with micro-electronics.
If you can take a step back and be intellectually honest, you understand that all these electronic doodads made with heavy metals and other interesting materials are not terribly good land fill material either. So, its really not a stretch to think that all those un-upgradable imacs, your smart phone that you replace every year, and yes, even those solar panels are not degrading in a green way.
We can all agree that this study may have some holes in it. It may be wrong on some of the specifics. Maybe comparing it to nuclear waste was for shock value. The amounts reported to create environmental damage may contain some hyperbole. Sure. But, the bald truth is these things ARE toxic. As you mass produce them, this problem will only grow. It is an interesting question to ask questions about the environmental impact of solar, instead of merely assuming it is non-polluting. If this is done right, then we can compare it to other energy sources, such as wind, nuclear and even fossil fuels and see what is less damaging in the true sense..
Now, if you can overcome your faith and except this, you are finally at a point where an honest discussion can be had. One where we look at each solution attempt to weigh the pro's and cons. In doing so, solutions can be found. This is was the Enlightenment was about at its core, and by extension modern civilization. We seem to be getting away from this. That is not good.
Please note, we can have this discussion without demonizing each other. See I am conservative, and lets face it, these forums allow and often encourage
Very few modern riots are spontaneous. Usually, they are orchestrated political affairs by those who wish to intimidate others. Follow the money. Twitter can show the planning. Be aware of the world.
Here is how the google shopping idea works.
Say you are in the mood to buy a new chair. You go and google 'chair price' or something like that. Several options show up. As it turns out, google favors companies that sell chairs and pay for google advertising. They may not be the most famous company, the best reviewed company, etc. but they will get top billing.
When confronted with a long list, human nature is such that you choose something near the top. We are all lazy and who wants to read that much unnecessary stuff. This makes primacy pretty powerful in a search list. That said, technically google will display non-advertising vendors too, just further down the page or on the dreaded page two.
Keep in mind google also does this for most things, including news services or political discussions that it favors, to shape public opinion. How you are mass manipulated without your awareness is a deep and profound discussion, but that should be saved for another day. Walk before you run grasshopper.
Getting back to the point, google also shapes your searches by 'reading' your gmail and creating profiles about stuff that you have searched. Sadly, by this point, google knows more about you than many of your friends. It will place advertisements on web pages related to what it knows about you. It will also order your search hits based upon what it knows about you.
Keep in mind, nothing is for free. Many people enjoy their "free" browser, "free" email, and "free" search engine without giving a moments thought about how google gives away everything but yet still pays all those California engineers six figure salaries. A wise man once said to me:
"If there is no price on something, then you are the product."
Hope this helps some.
Slashdot poster: It is perfectly reasonably for any Euro or Asian country to have economic protectionism to protect their companies and the jobs of their citizens.
Slashdot Community: Preach to me sister! Mod that dude up to the sky!!!!!!!!!!!
Trump: It is stupid for America to continually enter one sided trade deals where the other country uses protectionism, and our companies get savaged. We need to start thinking of America first and use protections when they do.
Slashdot Community: Trump and ALL his ideas are evil, even if it matches conventional wisdom on these forums. Mod anyone down who agrees with him, and kill their pets too!!!!!!
In typical modern slashdot fashion, a person is marked up because he made a "cool" sounding claim. This claim of course is unsupported, and is likely made up. But hey, don't let truth get in the way of a good story, right?
This particular lie bothered me because I remembered reading something a long time ago that implied the opposite. I will admit it took me the better part of an hour to find this article. It is about how the U.S. Army had switched to Mac OS in 1999 for their web page, since they were sick of having it defaced. (this is pre OS X).
https://tidbits.com/article/55...
I am beginning to wonder if the difference between a lawyer and the typical shashdot poster is that a lawyer makes a fast based argument, sometimes.
We interrupt our daily, reflexive dose of Trump bashing to attempt to have a legitimate conversation. Like too many things on modern slashdot, this post starts off with the bashing of all things Trump and non-liberal ideology, instead of actually just talking about the issues in an honest way, and evaluating the proposed solutions to get to the truth.
A little investigation yields that there are elements of hyperbole and FUD in the article and the issue general. At the simplest level, it seems easy to feed into the wrong-headed narrative that Trump and conservatives are anti-liberty, even thought the opposite is generally true. A deeper look into the issue has more nuance. Almost as if people are not cartoon villains and have different perspectives in looking out for the greater well being. Almost.
The counter argument is that the Obama era bill only provided protections against what ISP companies can do with your data. In limiting the scope, it actually opened the door for other companies like say M.S., Apple, or Alphabet to be a little more nefarious in their data collection rules. The current rules in house GLB Act and the existing FCC standards on the book already provided larger scale protections than the new rules, so replacing them is actually harmful to consumer.
Now, I am not a lawyer, and I will admit to not being the 'net expert of many of the readers of these forums. If the existing rules do not go far enough I am happy to hear an honest non-partisan name calling discussion about why. I am also curious to see if the new California bill actually improves things, or if it is well meaning but damaging?
Worse, is it a bill that sounds nice, but when you look at it, it was written by tech sector lobbyists to gather more data? I guess I am really struck by the line Nick Fury says in the Avengers, "you say you want peace, but I think you mean that other thing."
In case you are curious, here is a link discussing the other side of the issue. I am sure that there are others.
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundi...
The question becomes, are people on these forums remotely interested in finding answer to issues, or is it going to be non-stop tribalism all the time?
Yes, you refine the oil, then export it. Everything I said still stands.
Purposely obscuring the argument does not make you correct, or even appear to be smart.
I included a link backing all that I said. Since it was about Sweden, even the most casual reader could infer that I did not mean Norway.
Nothing in what I said created fear or claimed to inspire it. So, no, I am not fear mongering. Perhaps you do not understand what that phrase means. I will give you a hint. It does not mean "someone who disagrees with me and my uneducated assertions." So, your usage was off.
BTW, let me educate you further. After refining petrochemicals, the next large part of your economy is derived from the manufacture of pharmaceuticals, followed by car production. By any stretch of the imagination, none of these rely on green processes, especially when you include all the parts and chemicals that are required. I bring this up because adults understand that the world is complicated. They address all facts, especially the hard ones. They make the best choices they can based on this.
Children hide behind convent lies, because it makes them feel better. So, you can go enjoy some nice milk and cookies, and pretend that your country is "green" by 2045, while ignoring the fact that all the money made for these green processes relies on incredible pollution.
Actually, a great deal of that coal was sold to other nations, who actually have an industrial base. These nations are where all the products that you so enjoy are manufactured, with minimal environmental standards and abhorrent labor laws. But, this is all done out of sight, so that makes it ok in your book.
Why? because unlike the people who lost their jobs, you are truly stupid because you clearly don't understand this.
The law should be titled: Except for all the pollution that results from all the oil that we export, which is our number one source of revenue for our economy, Sweden plans to be carbon neutral by the year 2045. It is easy to bull shit and be sanctimonious, harder to actually be an adult and make real, hard choices about life, or at least appreciate those that do. http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/...
Its interesting how you go out of your way to say that you are Finnish, and not as just a person from the EU. This means that you hold some allegiance to Finland and are proud of your country, and rightly so. This also probably means that you understand that the issues and needs of the people of Finland might be different than those of say, Greece.
Now, lets say that we do what you just said and merge all political power into the greater EU state. This means that 4 countries, Germany, Italy, France and England (if you still include them) control over 50% of the EU population. This means that they can group together and say, we are the most advanced, civilized part of the EU, unlike those backwards people from Frostover Country, and we should allocate most of the resources to central core. In fact, any ideals and values of those Frostover people, like Finland, are really silly and we should simply remove them. This is ok, because the people of France, England, Germany and Italy say so. They have more people after all.
If you are being honest, you will admit that as a proud member of Finland, you are not quite ready to abrogate all sense of history and identity. You like total population rule because 1. You are a member of the urban populace in Finland, not the sparse rural area, so it works for you. 2. You are not asked to yet asked to subsume your identity to a larger culture just because they out-breed you.
As a citizen of the U.S., I have lived in most of the regions of the country in my life. You may not understand this from afar, but the people of each state in our union have a different culture, ideals, and history than the other states. We are equally proud of our heritage and do not want to be forced by the whims of greater mass that out-breeds us. Especially one that has policies that lead to such human misery.
Also, for comparison, Finland has about the same population as the U.S. state of Minnesota. As the 22nd most populated sate, you would be apart of what New Work and Californians affectionately call flyover country. They say this because they believe all the people in the middle do not matter. Does this all make sense now?
Saying the right things is different than doing them. I think you are getting them confused. If he went balls to wall trying to work with this administration, especially in areas where there was common ground, you would be absolute correct. But the reality is far from it.
,br> Even in areas where Tim Cook preachers, it is just hype. If you wan't social programs, then you have to pay taxes. You don't HAVE to use the loop holes. You could be an example of a socially responsible company. Keep in mind Apple's capitalization. They can afford to do the right thing. But is easier to talk about other's doing it.
Time Cook pretends to be green. Yet, he ignores the environmental disaster that is the company that he runs. Making semiconductors is toxic. I am sorry if you never thought about. The chemicals used in masking etc are not anywhere near ecco-friendly. Putting up some solar panels but doing your manufacturing in China so you can ignore environmental regulations and pollute the shit of things for cheap, does not make you green. (read Jobs' book, its in there).
While we are on the topic, Tim Cook made decisions that caused the Mac to be non-upgradable. He changed things like the iMac so memory was soldered to the board and sealed the computer so the hard disk could not be replaced. This ensures obsolescence. So, even if you can accept the green cost of making a computer, then a responsible person would want to get all the life out of it that they could. This would be environmentally responsible, right? Apple does the opposite.
So, yeah, people don't Apple and Tim bash because they just need a villain. They do it because there are some good reasons. No one likes people who say one thing,and do another. Especially when they carry a holier than though attitude.
Ps. My bet is ol' Timmy is that he donated to many of the organization that lead the Nazi Hodgkinson assassination attempt yesterday. Blood on the hands can make one contrite.
You make this argument because it is Apple, and not a "dirty" oil company, because you likely believe Apple is a "good" socially responsible company, even if they are not.
The problem is that these large companies hire expensive lawyers and lobbyists to make the rules. Apple is also guilty of this. So, this is not a simple case of "oooops, lookey here, i found me a deduction." It is more along the lines of, "I will donate X to your campaign, and you make me a 8x deduction. It is wrong and despicable. Don't forgive companies for doing this.....Especially Apple and Google, who claim to be socially responsible, then hides from paying taxes so less services can be provided. Hypocrites suck. No matter how much they put a good face eon it.
Last week in London, a person much like yourself, decided he can't tolerate any difference of opinion. He drove a car into a crowd of people killing several. Like you, he could not tolerate someone having a difference of opinion, and advocated violence against those who disagree.
The thing is, my stupid friend, is that he did not need a gun to silence others. The problem is not guns, but terrible people like yourself who think it is cool, or funny, or righteous to murder those with different opinions.
When I read and post on these forums, I am disparaged for being conservative. I am called ignorant, racist, and violent...because I disagree with the Bay Area take on tax policy and the way to achieve human dignity. But yet again, here we are with yet another news story where someone from the left is using violence to silence others.
At some point, don't you guys have to look in the mirror and notice there is something wrong with you? ALL these shootings, all violent political protest are coming from your ideology. How quickly you forget shootings like Senator Gabby Giffords came from a leftist. You claim tolerance, but in actuality practice none. Do you not think that those "cute" photos showing the beheading of Trump have an effect on society? Do you not see how all this talk of people who disagree with you as evil, inhuman, and beneath contempt doesn't translate to this?
In these forums, the stench of this ignorance runs rampant. If you post any hate few spew about the president, a republican, or a conservative, it will be modded up. The more dehumanizing, the higher the mod. None of these posts are ever backed with links, or logical arguments. It is enough to hate.
And when the hate is expressed in the inevitable outcome of murder, you will pretend you had nothing to do with it. Instead of preaching calm or making reasoned arguments, you will conveniently forget how you fed the hate machine. The blood of these killings in partly on your hands, and my guess is that most of you are too chicken shit to look in the mirror and ask why is my so called ideology of peace and tolerance producing so much violence?
Sadly, the above post is typical of modern slashdot, where group think and unsubstantiated attacks are modded up as "smart.".
Statement 1: Weak and Ineffective US: This statement is founded on the premise that the United States is somehow weak and ineffective. There is no reasons given to back this claim, and non that could be possibly substantiated. What exactly do you suppose as made the U.S. weaker? Is it the call to increase U.S. industry by undoing horribly lopsided trade deals that drain our wealth? Is the U.S. made weaker by asking NATO members to actually contribute to their defense at a proportion to the GDP as ours? Is it made weaker by asking the press to cover both political parties with the same zeal, instead of cheerleading for one? I am confused by how weaker?
Statement 2: Illiterate President. As is well known, he has ran a successful multibillion dollar corporation. Although he did start with wealth, he increased it several times. A good analog would be Elon Musk, turning a small company Zip2 into larger ones through sales and mergers. Success at these levels is rarely the work of an illiterate. Disagreeing with someone does not make the illiterate, but it if you think it does that means you are intellectually close to one.
Furthermore, we know he graduated from Fordham and Penn with and economics degree. We do not know his GPA. In contrast, the previous president had failing grades at a private high school (read his autobiography) yet somehow got admitted to an Ivy league school, and his grades are also not known, but was not reported to be a great student. Did you hold him to the same criticism?
Alienate the press: CNN actually gave his opponent the questions for the debate. The coverage on the other networks were laughably biased, with numerous other errors and gaffs made. The press in the U.S. is no longer the press, but an arm of the democrat party. This is dangerous and tragic and should not be applauded. The press should be about uncovering truth, not suppressing it. Speaking of which... The whole Russia is blame part of this thread. Lets be clear about what happened. Hillary Clinton and the DNC conspired to fix the democrat primary. They controlled the media, the timing of events, and funding to make Berny Sanders seem like a buffoon and have no chance. In all honesty, he had drawn many of the same concussions about the system being corrupt as Mr. Trump, but offered different solutions. The press knowingly helped burry the story of the unfair primary election.
The Russian hackers helped bring to light these issues. Through them, we learned that the Sanders supporters were denied a legitimate shot. The Russians did not report anything that was untrue. Do you understand that? The Russians were the force of truth and light in this election. For that, we in the U.S. should be ashamed.
In this thread and others like it today, people are acting like the Russians made up horribly untruths and it cost Hillary the election. For some reason of nothing less than extreme stupidity, there are posters who conveniently seem to forget what the so called fake news was, and why it worked. Hillary attempted to fix the fucking election, and thankfully, despite a biased media, she got caught. The people who got cheated were angry, and did not vote. Its that simple.
So, instead of feeling this false righteousness because you hate the current president for no particularly good reason, look in the mirror. Please stop the bullshit character assassinations. Try to grow up, and hold all politicians to a high standard, instead of just one.
Homo Sapiens have been around between 100,000-200,000 years. We still have that new species smell about us.
http://humanorigins.si.edu/evi...
Just sayin'
I am pretty sure that they read the data wrong. Many sources have proven that this study should say....
New research shows that no longer catering to the worst whims of millennials and forcing them to grow the fuck up would improve college education.
"Intellectual Property" should be abolished; patents in particular are evil. Patents are one of the biggest reasons we in 2017 we have 'robbed of our Jetsons future'.
While this entire thread is full of thoughtful discussions that defend their arguments with logic and referenced facts, the above post has none of these traits, and should not be modded up and encouraged. Although a reader or moderator may have a knee jerk reaction to agree because we all know sticking to the man is fun, that particular post does nothing to explain "why" patents should be abolished and "how" patents robbed us of the Jetsons future. This is a poor argument, and not a terribly original one. There is nothing in it that enlightens or honestly, surprises. It celebrates group think and dogma. This is the ugly side of slashdot, and it really should stop.
To play devil's advocate, the OP writes that intellectual property should be abolished. The funny thing is, the people who claim this never seem to think that THEIR intellectual property should be abolished, just someone else's. For example, a high percentage of the people on this forum write code or design web pages. They get paid very well for doing so. Yet, they don't seem so excited to publish their source code here. I mean, if you truly do not believe in intellectual property then you have no compunctions against giving me all your work, so I can sell it to a company for less than you did. No one reading this will do so, because they believe that THEIR work has value and THEIR intellectual property should be protected. What people like the OP mean is that they want other people to write movies and games for them for free.
Maybe you agree with the last paragraph, perhaps not, and you can find holes in the argument and with facts refute it. Please do. That would be an honest, interesting discussion.....unlike what the OP got modded up for, somehow.