[sarcasam] 2000: Mel Carnahan and John Ashcroft are in a tight race for Senate. Mel Carnahan dies in a plane crash. 2002: Paul Welstone is in a tight race for Senate against Norm Coleman. Paul Welstone dies in a plane crash.
Do I have to spell it out for you? [/sarcasam]
If these were Republicans, and there was Democrat in the whitehouse, there would no doubt be an investigation at the highest levels of the government. Not that there would be anything to it. Just to manufacture an air of murder and decit. Afterall, how many republican led investigations went into Vince Foster's suicide and the Ron Brown's plane crash? Hell, nothing was too fanciful for the republicans and their noise machine. Vince Foster was murdered because he was having an affair with that bitch dyke Hillary. (Why the supposed lesbian would be having a heterosexual affair is never explained.) The Clintons decorated the national christmas tree with crack pipes. Bill Clinton runs drugs out of an airport in Arkansas. All these were fanciful stories that were legitmized. There aren't.
99 cents is too much to pay for a downloaded song. GIven that manufacturing costs are so low for a mp3 (once the initial recording/mastering/mixing of the album is complete. That's constant, so we can ignore it for comparison purposes.), and that distribution costs are so much lower since you're only pushing bits around, what's the justification other than "We think we can get some rube to pay this." (We can see this same mentality with the movie downloads. What do you mean these bytes cost twice as much for the first month? It's not like you're going to run out.)
$9.99 isn't too much to pay for for an album. I pay that all the time. Of course I'm buying a physical cd. I get a thing. I get liner notes. I get artwork. WRT to DRM, I don't have it. All this has, to put it in buisness terms, "value." I don't have any of this with a download. So you want me to pay the same price and get less? Why would I do that? (Hell, even the RIAA/MPAA (Let's be honest. They're one in the same.) should be able to figure that out. Afterall, it's just the reverse of the "If value, then right" theory (or as Cory Doctorow recalled an MPAA vice-president putting it, "Watching a show that's being received in one room while you're sitting in another room has value, and if it has value, we should be able to charge money for it.").
There's a word for that kind of thinking. It's "greed."
What's a decent price for a downloaded drm ladened song? I might pay a nickle.
I never followed HDTV, but I too remember that it was old news in the mid-90s. I figured it was just another technology that was never going to get ut the door.
The only thing I would add your post would be the Great Spectrum Giveaway, where the broadcasters wanted to get now valuable hdtv frequencies, but not pay for a license like they had to with analog tv frequencies. Instead they got hdtv frequencies for free with the understanding that once the marketshare of hdtv reached some threshold, they would turn in their now worthless analog tv frequencies. And of course once hdtv did reach that threshold, analog tv broadcast would then become illegal, thus forcing everone in the country to go out and buy a new television whether they wanted to or not.
Assume a movie theater screen is 30 feet tall by 70 wide Since HDTV runs at a slightly different aspect ratio, we'll make our ultra hdtv movie screen 70 feet by 40 feet. At 1280x720 hdtv gives you 3 pixels ever two inches (1.5 px/inch). At 1920x1280 you get 8 pixels every 3 inches (2.67 px/inch) Ultra hdtv gives you 9 pixels per inch.
I have a feeling, that even with the greater distance the audience sits from the movie screen than a television, you might notice some level of pixelization.
I can't wait for the government to order everyone to buy new televisions again in a few years.
No. The eye uses variable resolution. Also dot pitch matters. I can make an image using shipping containers as pixels, and it would look like blocky crap if your're standing next to it, even if it's 4096 containers tall and 5120 containers wide. You see the same thing with mosaics all the time. If you want big, you need more pixels. It's that simple.
There's never been a martial arts fight scene on film that was realistic. Quite simply, because watching a quick grab, a throw to the ground, and a punch to the throat isn't very interesting to watch; especially when it takes 4 seconds. There's no chance for dialog, or stares, or drama. It's over as soon as it begins.
Look at a blank page and then create a full story arc. Try it.
Nice try, but it's a completely facicious statment. Lucas didn't even do this. He wrote one movie. It made money. He then wrote two more, but to say that Darth Vader is Luke's father in 1976, is just wrong. That's not how the stories were written. Lucas himself says that.
Now create something that no one else has done. Make an original story. Begin now.
Star Wars is heavily influenced by Kurosawa's Hidden Fortress. Lucas has said this repeatedly.
Coming up with an "original" story is the easy part, especially since there hasn't been an original story since the very first stories told. That's not a knock, but they are reoccuring storylines. The coming of age story. The destiny story. The hero story. The downfall story. The redemption story. They've all been told before. Sure, the execution is different, and some are better than others, but the stories are the same. They're the same, because these stories resonate with human experience. People like these story outlines. They always have, and they always will.
They managed to screw up Darth Vader's origin story! How in the hell does that work.
Hell! He fucked up Leia's! "I only remember my mother in bits and pieces. She was very pretty, and always very sad." So what does this mean now? Bail Organa's wife dies in a few years, and the Organas never tell Leia she's adopted and Leia never figures it out when she doesn't resemble anyone in the family?
Damn. He had to write them himself...
At least Gennedy Tarakowski showed that Star Wars could still be cool.
Does a dictionary provide all the possible conjugation forms of any verb on the fly? No. No, they don't. Dictionaries don't do anything on the fly.
What is reprehensible is you willfully misunderstanding the patented invention. No one is patenting verb conjugation. Microsoft patented a way of getting a machine to take a verb (conjugated or not) and then list all conjugated forms of the verb. Obviously you know nothing about information retrieval, and natural language processing, or you wouldn't be so cavalier with your rightous indignation. (Oh what am I saying, one can't be anything but cavalier with rightous indignation,)
Secondly, conjugating verbs isn't fundamental to language. Chinese for one doesn't conjugate verbs at all, and that's one of the most widely spoken languages on the planet. Arguably conjugation is completely unnecessary for language. If conjugation be necessary, then this sentence are completely not understanding to anyone.
Really. I want to know. I've wondered that for years, and now with Sun's outlook kinda shakey, why do they still do it? Kill the SPARC, and just go with something from Intel or AMD? What advantage does the SPARC have that the offerings from the Intel and AMD don't?
Seriously. They'll get you pass to see the launch closer. The one launch I went to (STS-26), my friend wrote/called our congressman, and got a pass. There were three level of passes back then, in order of closesness they were badges, orange car passes (we had this), and yellow car passes.
I remember two things about the launch. First we saw liftoff and then several seconds later we felt the blast and the heat, and heard the roar of the engines. It was amazing how quickly the environment changed. It was like a wall of heat rushing over you. The second thing I remember is that on the way back to the car, it rained. I've always thought that it had to do to all the water vapor that injected into the air by rocket engines.
I love Linux more today than ever, it's matured into a top notch competitor in the server (and desktop in my opinion) world. But if some of the interactions with commercial devices: wireless; cameras; music players; etc., Linux today is a tougher sell than five years ago, and that just ain't the way it was supposed to be. Sigh.
Given the fact that the desktop is filled with these other devices, wouldn't you say that Linux's lack of compatability means that it's not top-notch after all? I mean given the two major desktop os players relative ease of interacting with these devices, doesn't linux's lack of support, or support-through-hack make the deficencies all the more relevant and pressing?
In a RTS, better intelligence would be good. Most notably, when to withdrawl. If you're not constantly working the battle, your army can become out manuvered and then killed. Soldiers will move right into the middle of opposing force, promptly become surrounded, then be killed. It would be nice for your army to have the concept of lines or perhaps objectives, or at least have the concept of relative threats. Hell the concept of "hold your fire" would be nice in some games. (I know in warcraft 3, I've had problems with elven archers unhiding too early to shoot at the first enemy that walked past instead of waiting.)
Because you can't really leave any army to it's own devices, in RTS, a player tends to build one huge army and then move it en masse around the world. No flanking. No pincer movements. No second fronts. No really strategy. Sure you can do a feint to draw a much larger army into a kill zone, but that's about it.
These guys claim to be doing exactly what a layman should do when he thinks he has discovered technology which challenges a fundamental scientific principle.
Invite as many credible scientific experts as you can find to test it and report the results of such testing in peer reviewed scientific publications and on the Internet.
Well you can make machine that runs on gravity. Unfortunatly it's one time use. Right now my pencil just illustrated that the express to the floor is working great. However the return trip is a bit dodgey.
NASA, not the American military, should be splurging money on building a prototype of a hyperdrive, enabling faster-than-light travel. Even if the prototype does not work, it would significantly facilitate the breakthroughs that will be necessary for a successful hyperdrive,.
Yes. Let's invest in a hyperdrive designed by a theory that no one understands, that's outlined in a paper that was never peer reviewed. Would you like it to be powered with Seorn's perpetual motion machine as well?
If people do not have the spine to use stuff that respects their rights (DRM contravenes fair use and makes difficult to assert your fith to full ownership of music you buy) do not blame in people that have got a clue.
Next thing you will suggest is that democratic countries should become a bit more repressive so people used to be repressed feel at home.
There's a key difference here you conviently overlooked. No one forces anyone to use any piece of software. If the user wants to use software that works that's their choice. If someone else wants to use software that doesn't, then they can too. Apparently you feel software choice is some how bad, and want to impose your view on everyone. Freedom is slavery afterall.
If you want to hook your hypothetical iTunes like app into allofmp3.com or some p2p system, hey that's great too. The difference is you're saying, "It's offensive to me for you to do that, so I'm going to impose my will on you, and prevent you from doing it," versus "Hey, this does what you want. Use it if you want. Don't if you don't."
If you want to be free you have to pay a price, in the case of sofware the price may be conveneince (and here, this is becoming a non issue, I have used Linux as my desktop for 10 years and have found ways to make for the relatively inconvenience of using something not so popular).
So it's still an issue, you've just gotten used to it, and trying to pretend that it doesn't exist.
I bet I could find some piece on your machine that isn't working correctly right now. I know I can. Everyone's linux system is broken in someway. It's been like that from the very beginning. Something isn't fully supported, or the distro scripts are completely screwed. In 12 years, I've never seen a linux machine that worked 100%. People say, "Oh it will get better," it doesn't. The halfway supported hardware is never fully supported, because something else comes out, and so that becomes the new hardware to halfway support. The driver development is too slow.
What you describe as an attitude problem is simply to stand for your principles.
Calling people fools and idiots, isn't a stand for anything, except standing up making yourself look like an ass.
The mainstream users should in this case wisen up or be screwed, Linux, FLOSS[sic] and principles can't be bnet in order to accomadate an ignorant, masochist, majority.
Linux is a software platform. It is not a movement. And since linux is FOSS, it's not yours. It's simultaneoulsy no one's and everyone's. So yeah, I could take it and fill it up with with all the proprietary applications I wanted, and there isn't a damn thing you, nor anyone else, can do about it. And if I made it into a distribution, and it became popular because it worked, then what would it make it? Evil? Please.
iPod problems on linux aren't screwing the user. They're screwing linux adoption. The user always has the power. They switch to linux. They try their iPod. They user becomes frustrated. The user switches back to their previous os, and never try linux again because "it's teh suck." They are never screwed. They come to "truly appreciate the value of open source and linux" alright. They decide that it's crap, since their stuff isn't supported. It doesn't serve their needs. It's filled with a community of snobbish arrogant people that would rather insult someone rather than get to work fixing an obvious problem. That's the leason they learn.
Let me make that last bit clearer. Your attitude is a problem. Everytime you insult a user. Everytime you serve as an apologist and deny that a problem exists, you are hurting linux. People always have another option. You need to learn that.
And so concludes the leason you need to learn. So stop posing as a l33t h4x0r because you get your rocks off unfucking your wlan card's wpa support, and accepting an ndiswrapper that causes a kernel panic ever three days, and start solving real problems, and become truly l33t.
But linux constitutes a negligible part of the desktop market. So small infact, that it wouldn't be profitable to port the iTunes to linux.
So you're suggesting that that the community should just throw up its hands? Wouldn't it be much more effective to take a page from Real's playbook, and actually get to work fixing the the problem? No. Of course not. Self-rightous whining always carries the day.
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I know he says he's twenty-four, but I think he's lying. That or he really is a pathetic.
The whole thing reminded me of this quote at bash.org:
[Ed. Note. There were MANY more question marks. I had to remove several to counter the lamness filter.]
And Was Paul Wellstone's Plane Shot Down?
[sarcasam]
2000: Mel Carnahan and John Ashcroft are in a tight race for Senate. Mel Carnahan dies in a plane crash.
2002: Paul Welstone is in a tight race for Senate against Norm Coleman. Paul Welstone dies in a plane crash.
Do I have to spell it out for you?
[/sarcasam]
If these were Republicans, and there was Democrat in the whitehouse, there would no doubt be an investigation at the highest levels of the government. Not that there would be anything to it. Just to manufacture an air of murder and decit. Afterall, how many republican led investigations went into Vince Foster's suicide and the Ron Brown's plane crash? Hell, nothing was too fanciful for the republicans and their noise machine. Vince Foster was murdered because he was having an affair with that bitch dyke Hillary. (Why the supposed lesbian would be having a heterosexual affair is never explained.) The Clintons decorated the national christmas tree with crack pipes. Bill Clinton runs drugs out of an airport in Arkansas. All these were fanciful stories that were legitmized. There aren't.
99 cents is too much to pay for a downloaded song. GIven that manufacturing costs are so low for a mp3 (once the initial recording/mastering/mixing of the album is complete. That's constant, so we can ignore it for comparison purposes.), and that distribution costs are so much lower since you're only pushing bits around, what's the justification other than "We think we can get some rube to pay this." (We can see this same mentality with the movie downloads. What do you mean these bytes cost twice as much for the first month? It's not like you're going to run out.)
$9.99 isn't too much to pay for for an album. I pay that all the time. Of course I'm buying a physical cd. I get a thing. I get liner notes. I get artwork. WRT to DRM, I don't have it. All this has, to put it in buisness terms, "value." I don't have any of this with a download. So you want me to pay the same price and get less? Why would I do that? (Hell, even the RIAA/MPAA (Let's be honest. They're one in the same.) should be able to figure that out. Afterall, it's just the reverse of the "If value, then right" theory (or as Cory Doctorow recalled an MPAA vice-president putting it, "Watching a show that's being received in one room while you're sitting in another room has value, and if it has value, we should be able to charge money for it.").
There's a word for that kind of thinking. It's "greed."
What's a decent price for a downloaded drm ladened song? I might pay a nickle.
I never followed HDTV, but I too remember that it was old news in the mid-90s. I figured it was just another technology that was never going to get ut the door.
The only thing I would add your post would be the Great Spectrum Giveaway, where the broadcasters wanted to get now valuable hdtv frequencies, but not pay for a license like they had to with analog tv frequencies. Instead they got hdtv frequencies for free with the understanding that once the marketshare of hdtv reached some threshold, they would turn in their now worthless analog tv frequencies. And of course once hdtv did reach that threshold, analog tv broadcast would then become illegal, thus forcing everone in the country to go out and buy a new television whether they wanted to or not.
Consumerism enforced by law. Brilliant!
I like movies. I like widescreen, because it better perserves the content of movies. But other than aspect ratio, I've never seen any reason to upgrade to hdtv. It's just not that impressive. And given the fact that most people have bought hdtvs watch standard tv on them, and thing they're watching hdtv, I think it's all hype.
To reply again to this.
Assume a movie theater screen is 30 feet tall by 70 wide Since HDTV runs at a slightly different aspect ratio, we'll make our ultra hdtv movie screen 70 feet by 40 feet. At 1280x720 hdtv gives you 3 pixels ever two inches (1.5 px/inch). At 1920x1280 you get 8 pixels every 3 inches (2.67 px/inch) Ultra hdtv gives you 9 pixels per inch.
I have a feeling, that even with the greater distance the audience sits from the movie screen than a television, you might notice some level of pixelization.
I can't wait for the government to order everyone to buy new televisions again in a few years.
No. The eye uses variable resolution. Also dot pitch matters. I can make an image using shipping containers as pixels, and it would look like blocky crap if your're standing next to it, even if it's 4096 containers tall and 5120 containers wide. You see the same thing with mosaics all the time. If you want big, you need more pixels. It's that simple.
There's never been a martial arts fight scene on film that was realistic. Quite simply, because watching a quick grab, a throw to the ground, and a punch to the throat isn't very interesting to watch; especially when it takes 4 seconds. There's no chance for dialog, or stares, or drama. It's over as soon as it begins.
Look at a blank page and then create a full story arc. Try it.
Nice try, but it's a completely facicious statment. Lucas didn't even do this. He wrote one movie. It made money. He then wrote two more, but to say that Darth Vader is Luke's father in 1976, is just wrong. That's not how the stories were written. Lucas himself says that.
Now create something that no one else has done. Make an original story. Begin now.
Star Wars is heavily influenced by Kurosawa's Hidden Fortress. Lucas has said this repeatedly.
Coming up with an "original" story is the easy part, especially since there hasn't been an original story since the very first stories told. That's not a knock, but they are reoccuring storylines. The coming of age story. The destiny story. The hero story. The downfall story. The redemption story. They've all been told before. Sure, the execution is different, and some are better than others, but the stories are the same. They're the same, because these stories resonate with human experience. People like these story outlines. They always have, and they always will.
They managed to screw up Darth Vader's origin story! How in the hell does that work.
Hell! He fucked up Leia's! "I only remember my mother in bits and pieces. She was very pretty, and always very sad." So what does this mean now? Bail Organa's wife dies in a few years, and the Organas never tell Leia she's adopted and Leia never figures it out when she doesn't resemble anyone in the family?
Damn. He had to write them himself...
At least Gennedy Tarakowski showed that Star Wars could still be cool.
Conjugation may be required for a specific language, but it's not fundamental to language. No more than gender is.
That's why none of the major search engines are based in the US right?
Oh wait...
Oh please indeed!
Does a dictionary provide all the possible conjugation forms of any verb on the fly? No. No, they don't. Dictionaries don't do anything on the fly.
What is reprehensible is you willfully misunderstanding the patented invention. No one is patenting verb conjugation. Microsoft patented a way of getting a machine to take a verb (conjugated or not) and then list all conjugated forms of the verb. Obviously you know nothing about information retrieval, and natural language processing, or you wouldn't be so cavalier with your rightous indignation. (Oh what am I saying, one can't be anything but cavalier with rightous indignation,)
Secondly, conjugating verbs isn't fundamental to language. Chinese for one doesn't conjugate verbs at all, and that's one of the most widely spoken languages on the planet. Arguably conjugation is completely unnecessary for language. If conjugation be necessary, then this sentence are completely not understanding to anyone.
Really. I want to know. I've wondered that for years, and now with Sun's outlook kinda shakey, why do they still do it? Kill the SPARC, and just go with something from Intel or AMD? What advantage does the SPARC have that the offerings from the Intel and AMD don't?
Seriously. They'll get you pass to see the launch closer. The one launch I went to (STS-26), my friend wrote/called our congressman, and got a pass. There were three level of passes back then, in order of closesness they were badges, orange car passes (we had this), and yellow car passes.
I remember two things about the launch. First we saw liftoff and then several seconds later we felt the blast and the heat, and heard the roar of the engines. It was amazing how quickly the environment changed. It was like a wall of heat rushing over you. The second thing I remember is that on the way back to the car, it rained. I've always thought that it had to do to all the water vapor that injected into the air by rocket engines.
Four legs good! Two legs bad!
Four legs good! Two legs better!
I love Linux more today than ever, it's matured into a top notch competitor in the server (and desktop in my opinion) world. But if some of the interactions with commercial devices: wireless; cameras; music players; etc., Linux today is a tougher sell than five years ago, and that just ain't the way it was supposed to be. Sigh.
Given the fact that the desktop is filled with these other devices, wouldn't you say that Linux's lack of compatability means that it's not top-notch after all? I mean given the two major desktop os players relative ease of interacting with these devices, doesn't linux's lack of support, or support-through-hack make the deficencies all the more relevant and pressing?
In a RTS, better intelligence would be good. Most notably, when to withdrawl. If you're not constantly working the battle, your army can become out manuvered and then killed. Soldiers will move right into the middle of opposing force, promptly become surrounded, then be killed. It would be nice for your army to have the concept of lines or perhaps objectives, or at least have the concept of relative threats. Hell the concept of "hold your fire" would be nice in some games. (I know in warcraft 3, I've had problems with elven archers unhiding too early to shoot at the first enemy that walked past instead of waiting.)
Because you can't really leave any army to it's own devices, in RTS, a player tends to build one huge army and then move it en masse around the world. No flanking. No pincer movements. No second fronts. No really strategy. Sure you can do a feint to draw a much larger army into a kill zone, but that's about it.
I don't see why the hostility.
These guys claim to be doing exactly what a layman should do when he thinks he has discovered technology which challenges a fundamental scientific principle.
Invite as many credible scientific experts as you can find to test it and report the results of such testing in peer reviewed scientific publications and on the Internet.
No. A big showey ad, talk that's long on conspiracies, and wide-eyed dreamy talk, but short on info is the classic play of grifters. The want money to develop a secret perpetual motion machine. No more. No less.
Secondly, the layman hasn't been able to rock the world of physics in at least 80 years.
Well you can make machine that runs on gravity. Unfortunatly it's one time use. Right now my pencil just illustrated that the express to the floor is working great. However the return trip is a bit dodgey.
NASA, not the American military, should be splurging money on building a prototype of a hyperdrive, enabling faster-than-light travel. Even if the prototype does not work, it would significantly facilitate the breakthroughs that will be necessary for a successful hyperdrive,.
Yes. Let's invest in a hyperdrive designed by a theory that no one understands, that's outlined in a paper that was never peer reviewed. Would you like it to be powered with Seorn's perpetual motion machine as well?
I wonder why you saw that then.
If people do not have the spine to use stuff that respects their rights (DRM contravenes fair use and makes difficult to assert your fith to full ownership of music you buy) do not blame in people that have got a clue.
Next thing you will suggest is that democratic countries should become a bit more repressive so people used to be repressed feel at home.
There's a key difference here you conviently overlooked. No one forces anyone to use any piece of software. If the user wants to use software that works that's their choice. If someone else wants to use software that doesn't, then they can too. Apparently you feel software choice is some how bad, and want to impose your view on everyone. Freedom is slavery afterall.
If you want to hook your hypothetical iTunes like app into allofmp3.com or some p2p system, hey that's great too. The difference is you're saying, "It's offensive to me for you to do that, so I'm going to impose my will on you, and prevent you from doing it," versus "Hey, this does what you want. Use it if you want. Don't if you don't."
If you want to be free you have to pay a price, in the case of sofware the price may be conveneince (and here, this is becoming a non issue, I have used Linux as my desktop for 10 years and have found ways to make for the relatively inconvenience of using something not so popular).
So it's still an issue, you've just gotten used to it, and trying to pretend that it doesn't exist.
I bet I could find some piece on your machine that isn't working correctly right now. I know I can. Everyone's linux system is broken in someway. It's been like that from the very beginning. Something isn't fully supported, or the distro scripts are completely screwed. In 12 years, I've never seen a linux machine that worked 100%. People say, "Oh it will get better," it doesn't. The halfway supported hardware is never fully supported, because something else comes out, and so that becomes the new hardware to halfway support. The driver development is too slow.
What you describe as an attitude problem is simply to stand for your principles.
Calling people fools and idiots, isn't a stand for anything, except standing up making yourself look like an ass.
The mainstream users should in this case wisen up or be screwed, Linux, FLOSS[sic] and principles can't be bnet in order to accomadate an ignorant, masochist, majority.
Linux is a software platform. It is not a movement. And since linux is FOSS, it's not yours. It's simultaneoulsy no one's and everyone's. So yeah, I could take it and fill it up with with all the proprietary applications I wanted, and there isn't a damn thing you, nor anyone else, can do about it. And if I made it into a distribution, and it became popular because it worked, then what would it make it? Evil? Please.
Sit down child. It's time for some learnin'.
iPod problems on linux aren't screwing the user. They're screwing linux adoption. The user always has the power. They switch to linux. They try their iPod. They user becomes frustrated. The user switches back to their previous os, and never try linux again because "it's teh suck." They are never screwed. They come to "truly appreciate the value of open source and linux" alright. They decide that it's crap, since their stuff isn't supported. It doesn't serve their needs. It's filled with a community of snobbish arrogant people that would rather insult someone rather than get to work fixing an obvious problem. That's the leason they learn.
Let me make that last bit clearer. Your attitude is a problem. Everytime you insult a user. Everytime you serve as an apologist and deny that a problem exists, you are hurting linux. People always have another option. You need to learn that.
And so concludes the leason you need to learn. So stop posing as a l33t h4x0r because you get your rocks off unfucking your wlan card's wpa support, and accepting an ndiswrapper that causes a kernel panic ever three days, and start solving real problems, and become truly l33t.
But linux constitutes a negligible part of the desktop market. So small infact, that it wouldn't be profitable to port the iTunes to linux.
So you're suggesting that that the community should just throw up its hands? Wouldn't it be much more effective to take a page from Real's playbook, and actually get to work fixing the the problem? No. Of course not. Self-rightous whining always carries the day.