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Watching a Space Shot?

Gramie2 asks: "I was toying with the idea of throwing my son in the car and driving for two days to watch the latest shuttle launch. I didn't, but it occurred to me that I don't know the logistics of going to watch a launch. Where is the best place to stay near the site? Where do you view from? I imagine that there are restrictions, so do you have to get tickets or make other arrangements ahead of time? How do you find out the launch schedule? What about smaller launches? How do they compare? Is there one time of year that is better than another? Does anyone have other recommendations for the whole experience?"

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  1. Well... by pyrote · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From my childhood the best place was at the beach somewhere locally... you can't really get up-close anyhow. I remember it quite a bit from when i was 5 (now 29).

    Although I beleive once can get closer as I've seen press much closer, but I don't know what the policy is on that.

    Good luck and post some pics (on a STRONG server) if you get any good ones.

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    1. Re:Well... by Dr+Reducto · · Score: 2, Informative

      Viewing distance is much farther away for shuttle launches vs other launches from what I understand

      And I presume they let press closer because they sign some sort of "hold harmless" contract

    2. Re:Well... by Gangis · · Score: 2, Informative

      A good place is Playa Linda Beach in Titusville. I was there a few weeks ago and could see the shuttle quite clearly on the launchpad. It would have been an awesome place to watch the shuttle go up but I'm sure it'd be packed on launch days!

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    3. Re:Well... by slightlyspacey · · Score: 4, Informative

      Unfortunately, the road out to Playa Linda and the beach itself is closed on launch days. Don't even think of sneaking past ... the NASA SWAT team sports MP5s among other toys :)

    4. Re:Well... by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 1

      but I don't know what the policy is on that.

      Nowadays? Likely "don't be brown."

    5. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What launch did you see? I went to Apollo 17, the last apollo moonshot (night shot) as a young lad and it was sooooooooo cool.

      My dad heard through the grapevine that this was going to be the last one, so he piled everyone in the wagon and off we went from Montana to Florida and back. We circumvented the first perimeter and were on the tidal flats during the launch. We were covered in grime and couldn't hear for a bit, but I have images that will be with me forever.

      It started a long, frustrating, and rewarding career in aerospace for me. I'm 42 if you are curious.

    6. Re:Well... by ThankfulJosh · · Score: 1

      Actually, a great place is across the river from KSC. Go to the Miracle Mall on US1 in Titsuville. Tons of parking there. Then just walk across US1 (at the Burger King on the river) and enjoy.

  2. "The white-zone is for delayed shuttle only..." by Sarcastic+Begger · · Score: 1

    If you do go for a scheduled launch time, make sure you book a good hotel.

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  3. Central Florida by sp3d2orbit · · Score: 5, Informative

    Cocoa Beach, south of Daytona Beach in Florida, is a pretty good spot to watch the shuttle launch. The parking is free (in some places), there's plenty of it, and, if the shuttle launch gets scrubbed, at least you get a day at the beach.

    1. Re:Central Florida by bergeron76 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Agreed. If it's a night launch, try to watch it from the beach. The Port extends out into the Ocean, and when it goes up it reflects off the ocean and lights the sky up bright white.

      I grew up down there, and I've seen a few night launches. Night launches are _extremely_ impressive.

      Also, don't get your hopes up too high. You won't see astronauts waving out the windows or anything. At best, you'll see a small object with a huge flame coming out of it.

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    2. Re:Central Florida by Amouth · · Score: 1

      the only one i have ever seend was at night.. it was at the third light near the officers club there at Cocoa - it was great.. kinda funny to see people on tv trying to get close to it.. it is sooooo much better to watch it from the beach..

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    3. Re:Central Florida by solafide · · Score: 1

      Agreed, for any launch that beach rocks. Also, for all those naysayers who claim that it's just a dot with flame shooting out, it's really considerably more impressive than that. I've only seen a smaller rocket launch, but it was from the space shuttle pad.

    4. Re:Central Florida by Mr2cents · · Score: 2, Informative

      They don't do no night launches any more. It's a safety concern, they want to film the shuttle so they can see everything that falls off. (something to do with a shuttle exploding a few years ago).

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    5. Re:Central Florida by jaredmauch · · Score: 1

      I suspect this may not continue much long if all goes well.

  4. Been there done that. by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Informative

    The causeway is about the best place to watch the launch. You will be shocked by the traffic and the people that will be there.
    If you can not make it to the Nasa causeway Merritt Island isn't bad.
    Remember that you go all that way and the shuttle will not launch.
    In the summer people bring grills, and jet skis :) People tend to be nice and friendly.
    One of several parks on the beach side will also give you a good view.
    I don't know about anyone else feels but when I see a launch I feel an emotional attachment that watching it on TV just doesn't provide.

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    1. Re:Been there done that. by rts008 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hear! Hear!
      You said it. Having a decent view of a live rocket ( of any size, but especially the shuttle) is an awesome experience! You can see it well, you can hear it really well, and what you CANNOT get from the TV is: you can FEEL it launch. Your best home media solution with massive subwoofers can't even com close to the rumble you can feel from the soles of your feet thru the top of your hair!
      You can't fully appreciate the power these things unleash in controlled fury until you've actuall went and seen one.

      To the parent LWATCDR replied to above: do all that is in your means/power to get your kid to see the launch.
      Plan on spending a few days, the launch could get delayed 12-24 hours, if it goes on schedule, then there is a lot of NASA related stuff to do and see around the area- if your kid enjoys that type of thing, then it's a fairly fool-proof way to get "way cool Dad" and "hero" points from the kid, in return you get to give him/her an experience they will never forget!

      My Dad worked for NASA both at Wallops Island,Va., and also at Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. when I was groing up.
      At Wallops Island it seemed there was a launch a week (I was in kindergarden and First grade there so I doubt it was even close to one a week! LOL! )But I probably saw over a hundred launches before I was in 5th grade- never got tired of them- all were exciting!
      So, Pop....get on the stick get that kid out there for the launch- you may be influencing the next Veil Armstrong, or W. Braum!

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    2. Re:Been there done that. by calidoscope · · Score: 1
      You can see it well, you can hear it really well, and what you CANNOT get from the TV is: you can FEEL it launch. Your best home media solution with massive subwoofers can't even com close to the rumble you can feel from the soles of your feet thru the top of your hair!


      I remember hearing the engine tests at Rocketdyne's Santa Susanna test facility when living in Thousand Oaks about 15 miles away. The whole house was shaking and it was impressive hearing the sliding glass doors rattle away and these were puny compared to the SRM's used on the Shuttle. About 10 years later I head Cerwin Vega's "Earthquake" speaker system and immediately thought it sounded like a rocket - and took me a few minutes to figure out WHY I knew it sounded like a rocket.

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    3. Re:Been there done that. by gatzke · · Score: 1

      I grew up in Huntsville AL and saw a shuttle engine test at Marshall SFC. Very impressive.

      My mom grew up in Huntsville and tells stories of the Apollo days testing the giant engines that rattled the whole area.

      Think of the lawsuits today if you rattled an entire town with a rocket test...

    4. Re:Been there done that. by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I would like to think that it goes past the sound and furry of the event. I grew up in South Florida you can see the shuttle go up from my house, the house I grew up in, the high school I attended, and now my office. When you are near KSC with everyone else watching and waiting it is just different. You are part of it. Rush wrote a song about the first shuttle launch called countdown. It really seems to capture the feeling of the event. It is like the difference between kissing a woman love and watching a kiss on TV. Anyone that doesn't get a lump in their throat at a shuttle launch isn't anyone I would want to know.

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    5. Re:Been there done that. by rts008 · · Score: 1

      You got it!
      I'm not enough of a writer/wordsmith to do the subject justice, but I hope I somewhat was getting my point across- there just is nothing like experiencing a launch first-hand.
      I agree about the lump in the throat sentiment of yours, if something like that can't get through a person's jaded mentality and help create a bit of awe for the scope of accomplishment for mankind, then I don't want to be around that person as you stated.
      We've came a LONG ways from wearing skins and making fire with two sticks, this is a prime example IMHO!

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    6. Re:Been there done that. by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      I wondered if the causeway was still open to the public.

      I left NASA back in the late 90s, and had the supreme fortune of getting a vip pass to a launch while I was on TDY at KSC (sorry for the acronyms). I sat in the bleachers and watched the shuttle go up right across the banana river (I think is was on pad 39A, but I can't be sure). Employees don't normally get passes, but a high up mucky-muck had an extra pair due to a cancellation from some international dignitaries and offered one to me since I was there. Perfect weather, great launch. Of all the things I remember from KSC, the launch is top 5 - the others are a landing, standing about 110' up on launchpad 39B, the 3:45 thunderstorms (every damn day), and - my favorite - being in the VAB for the first time and being shown around in an area with a very low (7'-6"ish) black ceiling. Then the engineer I was with pointed out the landing gear about 20' away, and the fact that the ceiling was the shuttle. Talk about a "wow" moment for a newbie engineer.

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    7. Re:Been there done that. by bergeron76 · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I remember seeing my first night launch and the awe of thinking that humans were on that shuttle going into space.

      It can certainly be a tear-jerker if you appreciate science and have empathy for the human condition.

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    8. Re:Been there done that. by MurphyZero · · Score: 1

      NASA opens up 10,000 for the causeway. Tickets are done thru a contractor. There are also 3500 at the VIP site at Banana Creek. Just a warning about that site, if the winds are blowing west, an acidic cloud will come by about 15-20 minutes later. It's a minor irritant if you don't leave before it arrives; the state senator did not for STS-121 and got the full experience (July 2006) The KSC Visitor Center expects about 10,000 a launch and the Astronaut Hall of Fame typically sees about 4000. There's also the Press Site. After that, the river sites (as well as many others) mentioned in other posts and the beach are excellent sites for the thrifty. The Banana Creek site and the Press Site are about 3 miles away and the Causeway is about 6 miles away. If you want the best experience at least try to make it to the Causeway. Besides the sights and sounds, you get to feel a Shuttle launch, and it is more impressive the closer you get. But as seen by ths launch, hurricane season can be a significant delay. Plus, at any time of the year, weather and/or equipment problems cause delays about 50% of the time (all rockets at the Cape/KSC). So be prepared in case of a delay. A lot of people got upset when they couldn't see the launch the 4th of July weekend. Instead it launched the 4th of July...Not a bad way to celebrate the fourth, at least it didn't explode, but I didn't want to work the launch, just enjoy it.

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  5. Visit the center by bhmit1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    They have a store for purchasing tickets:

    http://kennedyspacecenter.stores.yahoo.net/

    Also saw this when searching for the causeway passes, which seems to indicate that you might have to go some other way:

    http://www.nasa.gov/centers/johnson/about/question s/faq.html

    1. Re:Visit the center by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      "Space Shot" is an amusement park ride at the U.S. Space & Rocket Center in Alabama.

      It's pretty cool: a 4G liftoff, then 2 seconds of weightlessness. If you let go of a penny at the top, you can watch it fall with you as you drop for a second or two.

      http://www.spacecamp.com/museum/attractions/mu_sim s1text.php

      Maybe he meant to say a "shuttle launch"?

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    2. Re:Visit the center by powerlord · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure how things have changed since I saw the shuttle go up (Challenger when it blew), but we went this route.

      Prepare to spend at least a few days waiting around in case the launch is delayed, and even then I remember arriving pretty early in the morning.

      The neat part about this (besides the bus driver who drove us all out to the penninsula from the Visitor's Center), was they they piped the com chatter from Mission Control to the Orbiter (and back), over loud speakers placed along the viewing beach.

      Not sure if they still do this, and because it was so long ago, I'm not sure how much it was edited, but its one of the things that stuck in my mind. ... Well that and seeing the shuttle lift off from the pad (and blow up, but hopefully yours won't do that).

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  6. Link-Tastic by Rockinsockindune · · Score: 3, Informative

    Lots of links to schedules, and recommendations of places to go to watch. http://www.sworld.com.au/steven/space/shuttle/guid e.txt

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  7. Causeway across the river? by olcrazypete · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I was a kid, my brother worked at the center (tour bus mechanic) and he got us passes to an area directly across a waterway to the launch pad. It was still a LONG way away from the pad, but you could make out the shuttle on the pad. It was an AMAZING experience. I remember sitting on top of our van, and feeling the ground shake for a minute or so as the blast-off took place. Worth going, even if you don't get in that close. P

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  8. Grab some hot boiled peanuts!!! by gedavis · · Score: 1

    I was at the Discovery shot after the Challenger explosion. Go to Titusville and find a place along US1. The side streets are a good start. If you can, stake your claim near Sandy Point Park. Grab some hot boiled peanuts (gross but addictive) and get there REAL early.

    Better yet... get a boat and hit the Atlantic.

    1. Re:Grab some hot boiled peanuts!!! by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Would a boat in nearby water be in any danger from the shock waves?

    2. Re:Grab some hot boiled peanuts!!! by kometes · · Score: 1

      You expecting another explosion?

      I would skip the boat. They keep the offshore waters pretty well cleared of boat traffic during a launch.

  9. A few different areas? by AlexanderDitto · · Score: 1

    I remember my parents bringing me to watch a launch close up once when I was a child. I seem to remember there being two field-like areas that one could view from, one much closer than the other, though the close one was some sort of "invite only" affair. Perhaps tickets were required. Paid parking passes were definitley required, though we did get pretty close up, close enough to see the shuttle and its different parts and what not.

    I'm not sure if it's changed since then, but you can still see it from pretty much anywhere in Brevard County. We could see it from my back yard, and I lived in Melborne, quite a ways away. A small orangish blob, sending off a large trail of smoke. The few I saw at night were amazing.

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    1. Re:A few different areas? by thedletterman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I remember as a child visiting Cape Canaveral twice, and being there for one shuttle launch. I don't remember the details too well, as it must have been about 15-20 years ago, but I remember standing behind a fence probably about 1.5km from the launch pad. I do remember feeling like I was really close, and being able to clearly see the launch pad without binoculars or anything like that. It was truly magnificent watching the shuttle launch from that close.

      The only other shuttle launch I remember watching so vividly as a child was the Challenger explosion as seen from Tampa Bay. I can still remember the feel of grabbing the wooden picnic table I was sitting on when it exploded. As a child, I watched dozens of shuttle launches. Even 100 miles away, you'll still be able to watch them go up. However, closer is definately better and night launches are also great.

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  10. Shuttle Launch by Sean5033 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The closest you can get is about 3.5-5 miles. A few times my friends and I have driven State Road 50 until it dead ends near KSC for shuttle launches. You litterally see it anywhere in central Florida, but the experience of feeling the sound is best experienced on the beach. There are plenty of hotels in the area, you'll want to make reservations as far in advance as you can. The hardest thing is that you might not see it go off. I saw a launch get scrubbed with 3 seconds left on the countdown clock.

    I've been beachside for a few of the rocket launches, my experience was about the same, just scaled down a bit. Unless you have binoculars it's hard to tell the difference between a shuttle launch and a rocket launch.

  11. Unofficial Space Shuttle Launch Guide by slightlyspacey · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Unofficial Space Shuttle Launch Guide is perhaps one of the finest guides to seeing a shuttle launch and should be consulted first.

    If you do decide to go the route of buying a launch viewing ticket from the Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex, please be aware of the rather mercenary policies in place if you buy a ticket and the launch is scrubbed. Delaware North runs the Visitors Center and the Astronaut Hall of Fame. They'll even charge astronaut families and invited guests for busing them out to the VIP viewing area -- at least they were three years ago. Don't know if that has changed.

  12. Can't really go wrong by KC1P · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't think you can really go wrong. It would be cool to be close enough to see the launch tower etc. but it's a pretty good show from anywhere. I was at Disneyworld with my wife in 1997 and the night of a launch we hopped in the car and headed east, hoping we'd find our way to a good vantage point. Well we got behind schedule and were still an hour away when the time came, so we pulled over (so did a lot of other cars) and turned on the radio so we'd know when to squint and look for a bright dot in the distance. Yeah right, it was like the rising sun!!! It was great. And just when the radio said they were dumping the external tanks we saw a couple of dots drop away, very very cool. So anyway after that I started to suspect that the US space program may not be a hoax after all, they sure as hell launched something and if it wasn't going to space, it wasn't for lack of trying.

    1. Re:Can't really go wrong by kunwon1 · · Score: 1, Redundant

      Great story. I'd mod up.

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    2. Re:Can't really go wrong by rts008 · · Score: 1, Redundant

      If I hadn't used the last of mine on the UK vilent porn ban a few minutes ago, I would give him +1 for that.

      So anyone with mod points, please do as kunwon1 suggests and give parent some karmic joy! That was a good post!

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  13. Wallops Island by Sean+Riordan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you are in the DC area you can always try Wallops Island for launches of some smaller vehicles.

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    1. Re:Wallops Island by jea6 · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the tip. I had no idea about this and have put November's launch on my calendar.

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  14. Call your senator by cronb · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Last time I went to see a shuttle launch I called my state senators office several months ahead of time and after a lot of holding and a little convincing I got a pass to get closer in. I'm not sure exactly how close since it was several years ago but that's what I would do, it was worth it.

    1. Re:Call your senator by Kuvter · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure exactly how close...

      I sure must have been a great experience, you remember it with such detail.

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    2. Re:Call your senator by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 1

      Perhaps he forgot his surveying equipment.

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  15. Don't ask slashdot, just google it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It seems like most "Ask Slashdot" questions are easily answerable in about 3 seconds at Google. Try a little harder next time.

    Here's a Google search for "watch a space shuttle launch", the 6th hit looks promising.

    1. Re:Don't ask slashdot, just google it. by Gramie2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think that if you read through some of the responses people have posted here, you can see the value of asking a community. I for one really appreciate hearing personal accounts.

  16. For fucks sake. by kunwon1 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Google for shuttle launch watching

    First result is a big guide detailing all of those things mentioned in your question and with more than a dozen links to other related materials.

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    1. Re:For fucks sake. by kunwon1 · · Score: 1

      Might I add, Hooray for Flamebait!

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  17. Get as close as you can by NeverSignsIn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've been on the causeway for a shuttle launch. Thats about as close as anyone can get. It was amazing. Make that Freakin Amazing (TM). You see the flames and smoke in the distance and of course it takes some time for the sound waves to catch up. What really surprised me was that I watched the water vibrate as the shockwave sped towords me. Then it hit. The ground shook, my ears were filled with the roar and my internal organs rattled. My pregnant girlfriend was there and I have always wondered if we altered our son's development.

    As a kid they used to let us out of our elementary school classes to watch the Saturn V's take off. Eighty miles away in Orlando we could still see the flames. In fact we used to sit in the living room at home and watch the shuttles through the window, while the TV showed us the close up. Thats how we watched the Challenger explode.

    So anywhere you get within twenty miles is going to knock your socks off. Just be prepared for delays that may sending you home with dissappointment.

  18. First result has changed - to this by Animats · · Score: 1

    The first Google result is now this Slashdot story.

    1. Re:First result has changed - to this by kunwon1 · · Score: 1

      Those are excerpts from Google News, though granted they appear first on the page. Not search results, however.

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  19. Delays by aweinert · · Score: 1

    Of course, one thing to consider is delays. Out of the three shuttle launches I remeber, only one went off when it was scheduled (the other two were off by days). Especially after Columbia, and during the summer w/ hurricanes and afternoon thunderstorms. I did see a spectacular pre-dawn launch from here, I believe. When we went it was somewhat of a last minute thing, so we got stuck in a crappy hotel, but with enough planning, you should be able to get even closer and get a good hotel. And if it doesn't go up when you're there, then your stuck going to the beach or something like that (Oh no!).

  20. there's nothing like being there by wingbat · · Score: 1

    My wife had a science experiment go up on Challenger in '99. She managed to get a ticket for me as well, so we got to sit in the VIP section (some bleachers) opposite the public area. This was for one of the rarer night launches.

    It was surprising to me how far away the shuttle was, that is until it launched. There is *nothing* like being there to witness the raw power expended to push a shuttle into orbit. It's worth the risk of missing the launch (we had 2 failed nights followed by the real thing). I watched the video I took with my son a couple of months ago, and it still sent shivers up my spine.

    1. Re:there's nothing like being there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Challenger in '99

      Anyone else find something horribly wrong with this?

    2. Re:there's nothing like being there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Time paradox!!!!!

    3. Re:there's nothing like being there by dolphino · · Score: 1

      Probably why it was so easy to get VIP tickets...

    4. Re:there's nothing like being there by rammer · · Score: 1

      Maybe he meant that Challenger's Orbit Vehicle desgination was 099.
      Maybe he is just confused.

    5. Re:there's nothing like being there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the fuck are you on? Your wife was linked to the launch and you can't remember that Challenger blew up in the 80s? Columbia perhaps?
      I would have thought that if you had such a close connection to the launch, you'd know WTF was going on.
      For your sake don't let your wife know that you said this.

  21. Astronaut Hall of Fame roof is a good spot by m0ng0l · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Although it's about 5 miles from the pad. Went several years ago with my wife, and parents (X-Mas present sending them to FL from us kids) Worked out well, my Mom was able to get a good view, and they had elevator access to the roof deck. Watching from the KSC Visitors Center would have been OK, but you can't see the pad, so you only see the shuttle once it's in the air. AHF roof, you can see the pad.

    I think to get closer (media area or Satrun V building), you need to either be related to someone on the shuttle, or maybe brown-nose your senator/congress people. Even those areas are around 3 miles away from the pad.

    Only downside to AHF is the tower is just a little spike on the skyline, nothing like what you'd see from the media area. Price when we went down was basicly, buy an admission to the AHF, you could get up on the roof. They even had a projector showing NASA TV coverage on the wall of the Space Camp building....

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  22. Influence by Unknown_monkey · · Score: 2, Informative

    Contact your congressman. Seriously. That's the best way to do it. It was when I worked there.

  23. Call Your Congressman/Senator by coaxial · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Seriously. They'll get you pass to see the launch closer. The one launch I went to (STS-26), my friend wrote/called our congressman, and got a pass. There were three level of passes back then, in order of closesness they were badges, orange car passes (we had this), and yellow car passes.

    I remember two things about the launch. First we saw liftoff and then several seconds later we felt the blast and the heat, and heard the roar of the engines. It was amazing how quickly the environment changed. It was like a wall of heat rushing over you. The second thing I remember is that on the way back to the car, it rained. I've always thought that it had to do to all the water vapor that injected into the air by rocket engines.

  24. Anywhere (at night) by StikyPad · · Score: 1

    Pretty much anywhere on the east coast within 100 miles, especially for a night launch. I happened to be in Daytona for spring break one year when they had a night launch with, IIRC, a new moon, and it was spectacular even from 60 miles away. The whole beach was pretty well lit up for about half a minute or so. I'm not sure if the next launch is planned for day or night (probably day since night launches are fairly infrequent), but I'm sure it wouldn't be a bad view from Daytona even during the day.

    But if you want to get closer, there's plenty of hotels right across the bay: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=l&hl=en&q=hotels&nea r=kennedy+space+center&ie=UTF8&z=11&ll=28.583316,- 80.709686&spn=0.304493,0.468292&om=1

    Directions to the KSC are here: http://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/KSC/directions.a sp

    And if you want to get really close, you can buy tickets here.

  25. Cocoa, along the river. by MadMorf · · Score: 1

    Some friends and I drove up from Miami to watch a Shuttle Launch way back in the 80's (the launch with Senator Garn)...

    We watched it from Cocoa, not to be confused with Cocoa Beach, along the river...

  26. Launch Sept. 6th, 7th or 8th by ChrisCampbell47 · · Score: 2, Informative

    This might be actually be one of the best chances to see a launch, because they REALLY want to get this thing up into orbit by Sept. 8th. They've been chomping at the bit for 3 years to get going on ISS assembly and they've got the 2010 deadline. And as Tuesday's crawler reversal shows, they are pushing hard for this launch. Sept. 8th is a hard deadline, and after that they either have to relax rules (which they'd take a lot of grief for, both internally and externally) or wait until late October.

    Road trip!

  27. Get tickets and go the visitor's centre by taylortbb · · Score: 3, Informative

    Kennedy Space Centre has a visitor's centre where you can go on tours of the launch pads, landing facilities, etc. (they take you out in busses) and as someone who has gone it's a really cool experience. I talked to the guide (who had worked for NASA for many years) about where the best place to see a launch is and his reccomendation was to get tickets and they'll bus you out to the closest you can get to the launch pad as a civilian. There are stands for VIPs about 3 km closer but getting a ticket requires some connection to NASA though people have gotten them by writing their representative in congress. His advice however was that becuase of the angles you'll get a better view from the public viewing spot.

  28. My approach... by swillden · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... is to get lucky. While on vacation in Florida, I took my family to Kennedy Space Center and there just happened to be a lauch scheduled for later that day. We bought tickets, watched the shuttle go up and toured the space center.

    So, there you go. Just show up and maybe they'll launch a shuttle for you like they did for us.

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  29. The summer is too hot by chriswaco · · Score: 1

    About 23 years ago, we watched a Columbia launch from the causeway. Our Senator's office was nice enough to send us tickets - the only thing I've ever received from our elected officials.

    Still, we were 3 miles away, not as close as I wanted to be. We had to arrive 8-10 hours before the launch because of the traffic. And June in Florida is, well, too hot to be sitting out in a swamp for 8-10 hours. It was 100 degrees F with 98 percent humidity. If you go in the summer, bring lots of ice and a full tank of gas so you can run the air conditioner when you need it. There was an aligator about 200 feet from us, not bothering anyone although some kids decided to pelt it with rocks (Darwin candidates in the pre-Darwin Awards days).

    The launch itself was indescribable. You felt it as much as watched it. It was astoundingly cool, but unfortunately lasted only a few minutes and then there was the 2.5 hour trek back through traffic to the hotel.

    If I were to do it again, I would rent a motor home and wait in comfort.

  30. I grew up near Cape Canveral.. by FireStorm69 · · Score: 1

    AND I still have not seen a launch up close.. I live only about 45 minutes south in Melbourne, Fl and have tried MANY times to go and watch one, but with launch delays, it makes it very hard to do. It's a crap shoot. Throw the dice, take the drive and hope it goes up. Probably not worth it, especially with all the security they have now and with all the cams they have covering each launch, you can't get a better view in person.

    But I hear it is a cool experience none-the-less, but I have given up. Only if a launch is scheduled on a day off for me will I attempt it again..

    FireStorm

  31. Bah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But then we wouldn't get all the nice personal experience stories... If the question annoys you, ignore the question!

    And don't swear!

    1. Re:Bah! by kunwon1 · · Score: 1

      You must be new here.

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  32. Causeway, if you can get there by 0123456 · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure of the situation today, but there used to be about four sites available for non-NASA employees: the Causeway is about 5 miles from the pad, the press site and the VIP site are around 3 miles, and the other one ('static test road', I think) is in between. The VIP site definitely gives a better view of the launch, but because of the location you can't see the shuttle on the launch pad: the tower is between you and the shuttle.

    The only one you're likely to get to at short notice is the causeway, and the view from there is still pretty good. In the 90s that involved getting a special pass from NASA and queueing up outside KSC in your car for a couple of hours before they let you in, today I think you can buy bus tickets at KSC.

  33. Same distacne as Nasa Causeway!! by MisterBates · · Score: 2, Informative

    Search for "Oak Hill, FL 32759" on Google Maps.

    As Routes 1 & 5 cut SW towards I95, you will see Route 3 (Kennedy Pkwy) extend SSE and head right past the VAB. (Of course you can't get that close). Heading down Route 3, you will come to a bridge that crosses over Haulover Canal (where is says Allenhurst on the map). The road was/is closed beyond the bridge, but there is a little sandy parking lot next to the bridge. It is the same distance as watching from the causeway itself. The road was closed beyond the bridge.

    This is where I watched a shuttle launch a few years ago. Unfortunately the only shuttle launch I have ever seen in person. (NJ resident, and yes, it is the greatest state in the Union, regardless of what Trey, or any of you say.)

    My wife and I spent the day in St. Augustine, and then headed down to watch the early evening launch. We got down there a few hours early scouting for spots to watch, and came across this place. While waiting for the launch, we walked down to the canal and saw some manatees. Of course, if you're a FL resident you've probably already seen millions of them. I expect it is still accessible.

    I can't help you with hotels, but as long as you know what time the shuttle will go off, you probably don't have stay too close.

    Good luck!!

  34. Kids these days by DudeTheMath · · Score: 1

    There's nothing like seeing a Saturn V go up, though. Geez, it must have been Apollo 13 (my youngest brother wasn't there, and I can't possibly be remembering Apollo 12). I think we were on the causeway, just standing by our parked car.

    Still, I hope the kid is at least five, so the memory is of more than just the actual moment of launch.

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  35. Space Shot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't believe nobody has made a joke about pr0n yet.

  36. I saw the 4 of July Lauch by everphilski · · Score: 4, Informative

    ... here is how my wife and 1-year-old son and I did it.

    If you enjoy camping, there is a KOA just north of Titusville on the interstate. Otherwise check out the state parks. (they were all full, fourth of july week and all).
    Anywhere along the shore close to the shuttle is good (pull out a map...) but where we saw it - along with mostly locals - was a bridge just **north** of Space View Park (A Max Brewer Memorial Parkway). Take the bridge until you are almost to the entrance of the park, and camp it. You will need to get there hours early (we got there 8 hours early and there were quite a few people... but it was the first return to flight mission). Bring a grill and some fine grillables.
    The other options is viewing **at** kennedy space center which is a mile or two closer, but the tickets are sold out by now.
    Launch schedules are on NASA's website http://www.nasa.gov/
    For the whole experiance? Take a few days, go camping, the day before go tour Kennedy Space Center, because if the stars align and there aren't any problems with the shuttle they will actually drive you within a mile or two of it and you get some pretty good camera shots (from inside the van). I'd suggest getting there 2 days before the launch, go to KSC, go to the launch, don't be suprised if the launch gets scrubbed, and plan on having vacation last a few extra days in order to attend scrubs, if they happen. If not there are plenty of other attractions...

  37. First good Ask Slashdot by rblancarte · · Score: 1

    I know that this is somewhat off topic, but this is one of the first good "Ask Slashdot"s in a while. Most of the other topics have been of the "I can't think for myself or do a web search, let me ask someone who might have."

    As far as this topic, this is pretty interesting. Very solid information, and if I ever want to do a similar thing, I know where to look for information.

    RonB

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    1. Re:First good Ask Slashdot by slcdb · · Score: 1
      Most of the other topics have been of the "I can't think for myself or do a web search, let me ask someone who might have."
      So you don't think that a Google search for "nasa shuttle launch tickets" would turn up this link?
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  38. What about other (non-STS) launches? by camt · · Score: 1

    I would love to take my son to some sort of rocket launch, but we are not in a poisition to make it to Florida for a shuttle launch. I am pretty sure there are some unmanned rocket launches from elsewhere in the country. How for do I have to drive from Dallas to get to see one of these, whether NASA or private industry? Where are they?

    -- Cameron

    1. Re:What about other (non-STS) launches? by cr0sh · · Score: 3, Interesting
      The problem with just about all launches, manned or unmanned (aside from weather sounding) is that most of them take place as close to the equator as possible to get a "boost" from the earth's rotational speed. Thus, if you live in Montana, expect to drive a little.


      Now, something you might consider, while nowhere near as large as a real launch, but still a fun day out that you and your kids will enjoy, is to attend a high-power model rocket gathering in your area. Despite the name of "model rocket", these things are anything but models - don't expect Estes launches here (although some clubs run small launches for kids in between the main launches). These things are as big as and act the same way as a regular missle (and if you want a "thundering" launch, the hybrid liquid NOS/solid fuel rockets are very fun to watch). Flights of +10,000-20,000 feet are not unheard of. These are great events to go to, many of them have vendors selling smaller kits, but if you buy, be prepared for a very expensive hobby (a rocket costing $5-10,000.00 to build, then exploding on the pad, is also not unheard of). Also, you need to be mindful of all warnings and such of the launches, and watch/listen to everything - I have seen large rockets lawn-dart not too far from crowds, and if you aren't looking, you could have a painful lesson.


      But don't let that put you off - it can be a fun occasion for the entire family - bring some lawn chairs and binoculars, maybe a barbeque or a picnic basket. Lasts for a few hours, and you will have a great time, and meet some interesting people (at one I attended, I met a guy who successfully launched a homemade rocket he made out of PVC pipe and some two-by-fours - no kidding!)...

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    2. Re:What about other (non-STS) launches? by camt · · Score: 1

      Oof. I need another expensive hobby like I need a hole in the head.

      But thanks for the suggestion. I'll look into the model rocketry clubs and see what I can find. In a metropolitan area of 5 million people there is bound to be something.

      Thanks.

    3. Re:What about other (non-STS) launches? by cr0sh · · Score: 1
      Yeah - there was show a long while back (about 5 years ago) on Discovery Channel about HPR. One of the guys built this beautiful rocket. Basically, he knew nothing about rocketry (I don't even think he even built any Estes models), but he had credit cards with large limits.


      You probably have seen the type: macho dudes with too much credit and not enough sense living in a cracker-jack box of the suburb home on a second mortgage (taken out to finance the big boat, truck, and jet skis he just had to have). Anyhow, he and his friends spent a ton of his "money" on this rocket - custom carbon fiber tube made on a custom jig, painted perfectly - the thing was huge (12 feet or so long). They build the launch apparatus, got the engines and such (you can buy a lot of this stuff in kits and such). They put it all together, and they were being featured on the show.


      What was funny was that every time he was bragging about something or another, you could see his wife in the background just rolling her eyes. She had that "look" on her face, which if you are married (I am), you are familiar with: The look that said "We are in so much debt OVER THIS?! - Geesh! Grow UP!" - but she didn't say anything. She didn't need to, her attitude said it all. IIRC, he had dumped around $20,000 into this project, and this was his first launch.


      So, they tote this thing out to the launch site (some desert in Nevada, I think). They show several other launches, most go off without a hitch. A couple explode on the pad (one minute a pretty rocket, the next minute confetti!). Then, his rocket is next in line.


      It launches beautifully - it goes up and up, waaaay up. The flight is perfect. Then comes the ejection charge...


      I can't remember exactly - it either didn't go off, or the nose cone didn't separate properly and the side of the rocket blew out. Basically the thing comes tumbling down from some insane height and impacts the desert floor (tumbling, it didn't lawn dart). The rocket is a complete and total write-off.


      You could just see how crushed he was, and how pissed off his wife was. I would have loved to been a "fly-on-the-wall" for the ride back home. Yeah - he was in the dog house (personally, if I was her, I would divorce his ass for being such a dumbshit with the family finances)...

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      Reason is the Path to God - Anon
  39. MP5s? Pfft... by Luxifer · · Score: 1

    It's the Gators and snakes I'm worried about.

    Why do you think the SWAT team carries said MP5s? Gator defense.

    I'd rather die of kenetic lead poisoning than a Gator death roll any day.

  40. my experience by Luxifer · · Score: 1

    I did the total tourist thing for a launch a few years back, and I loved it. So not me, but the crowd was great, all 'round wonderful experience.

    But the best part was after the launch, when all the glory has gone, realizing that by the time we got back to the car, they were in orbit...

  41. Watching a Space Shuttle launch by Cheshire2600 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Space view Park in Titusville is the best place to view a Space Shuttle launch, if you haven't got a NASA Pass. There is a cable connection (part of the Franchise Agreement) in the park. The City of Titusville gets NASA-TV off the cable, and puts the audio on loudspeakers with the NASA Feed. You can also get this from the local Ham Radio repeater on 146.940 MHz.
    http://spacelaunchinfo.com/spaceview.html

    A "Space Launch Viewing FAQ Page" can be found at http://spacelaunchinfo.com/faq.html

    Information on launch holds and scrubs can be sent to your cell phone: http://spacelaunchinfo.com/holds.html

    Keep Smiling,

              Cheshire
              Richard Cheshire, The Cheshire Catalyst

  42. my advice by pontifier · · Score: 2, Informative

    I went last year when the launch was delayed for a couple of weeks. I found 2 good spots by driving around and looking at google earth.

    One was behind Holiday Inn (wi-fi), and the other was one block north of McDonalds (grassy and shady). I slept in my car under a palm tree there overnight and wasn't bothered. That was last year, but I can't imagine it shouldn't have changed too much.

    Advice: Get there early to get a good spot. Getting there the day before the launch will let you look around and pick any spot you want. 12 hours before will let you get a good spot, and 3 hours before launch will make it hard to find a place to park. It wasn't boring for me to get there early as the other people waiting for the launch were fairly interesting to talk to.

    Also... I recomend waiting a while for traffic to clear before trying to leave. It's realy bad for an hour or so afterwards, but then it clears right up.

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  43. Worked for me... by fmaxwell · · Score: 0

    The way that I watched my last launch at Cape Canaveral was to jump up from my station and run out the control room door after I saw the rocket ignition on the video monitor. I got outside just as the Delta II cleared the tower.

    The way that I found out about the launch date was by attending the meetings that were held while we performed integration and test on the satellite that was to be launched. For the five months I was at Cape Canaveral, I stayed in condos at Canaveral Towers and the Cape Winds Resort. As far as tickets, the only ones we needed were occasional plane tickets to go between there and home. Hope that helped.

    1. Re:Worked for me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just as fucktarded as you were two years ago. http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=95012&cid=8 144535

      BTW, if you are so sick of being around people that have 'genetic defectss' here is what you can do about it

      Go find a cliff or a bridge somewhere, then take your entire fucktarded family.
      Have all of them jump off to their death, and after that jump to yours. Then you won't have to put up with the blind or any one else that has genetic defects ever again.

  44. Dead easy by Curmudgeonlyoldbloke · · Score: 1

    I happened to be in Orlando at a conference when there was a launch on a few years ago. It was dead easy, even to do at the last minute - just drive in the general direction of Canaveral and park by the side of the road. You may not think you're close enough, but you probably are! Allow extra time because lots of other people will have the same idea. If you want a laugh, tune in to local radio, too.

  45. Some tips by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Get a good portable FM radio, with headphones. Tune to a local station, NPR is a good choice. You need the headphones because you need your hands free for cameras, binoculars, etc.
    2. Use lots of sunscreen.
    3. Arrive at least 1 hour before launch. There will be lots of traffic and the good spots to park goes fast.
    4. Have plenty of water with you.
    5. Be patient when exiting, you are going to take one hour to I-95, 20 miles away.
    6. Be prepared to wait on a good spot for at least 30 minutes, a portable chair is an option.

  46. Anywhere in Florida or South Georgia by The+Other+White+Meat · · Score: 1

    I live in Homestead, Florida, which is several hundred miles from Titusville.
    On night launches, you can watch from my house as a bright ball of fire rises into the sky.
    On a clear day, you can see it as well, depending on where the Sun is in relationship to the launch.

    If you are anywhere even remotely close you are going to have a great view. If you want to hear the launch, I suspect that anywhere within 50-75 miles you'd be able to hear it.

    Of course, HDNet is now broadcasting the launches in HD, so I will be watching all the launches from my living room from now on...

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  47. Tampa! by Cragen · · Score: 1

    (Sorry for the lateness. Been off-line for surgery.) In 1989, my wife and I honeymooned in Clearwater, FLA, just south of Tampa. As I was unloading the car, I notice, in my peripheral vision, a big streetlight off behind me. (I was facing west.) A little later, I noticed the streetlight had moved!! Then, I straightened up and saw the shuttle's rockets. I hollered at my wife and we watched it go up into the sky. We saw very clearly the seperation of the two side rockets. So, you can see the thing quite clearly from just about anywhere south of Daytona and west of the Gulf! Have fun!!! Cragen

  48. Re:Get as close as you can...but no closer by cyberfringe · · Score: 1

    Awesome description of a launch. Three miles is as close as anyone can get except a few NASA/contractors who can watch from the Vehicle Assembly Building (1 mile away). If the vehicle were to explode on the pad and you were outside at the VAB, you'd toast. Literally. At three miles you have a good chance of survival. At five miles you'll be OK. Launch range safety is always a top consideration. Nevertheless, it is not perfect. Statistics, models, and ultimately judgement. The Canaveral Air Force base is in charge of range safety. FYI, the area between the Base and the town of Canaveral is not a totally safe area according to information I've seen (I work for NASA). Depending on the winds, toxic fumes from an accident could drift in that direction (south). My recommendation is that if you don't have a pass, get as close to the KSC visitor center (west of the launch pads) as you can.

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  49. The Jetties at the end of Port Canaveral by pagen · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Where I Grew Up.

    I grew up ('68-'74) in Cape Canaveral. I lived longest just South of Cape View Elementary, which I attended, in the 500 block of Adams Ave. http://maps.google.com/maps?oi=map&q=559+Adams+Ave ,+Cape+Canaveral,+FL

    Back in the day, the whole school would go out to watch "public" launches. Amazingly enough, everyone new when less public launches went up too! ;-)

    Titusville is just West of the launch pads for the shuttles. You should be able to see the launch well from the coast looking east anywhere. Today, the launch sites are harder to see from where I grew up. It's like everything swelled!

    From the Jetties you will see the rocket go up, but I am not sure you will see the shuttle on the pad from that place. But as mentioned above, a night launch is best close to the water.

    But if you are going for another rocket launch or just want the beauty of being on the ocean and not the Banana River, go to the Jetties, get there a day ahead so you can drive around and see what you can see. If that is still a good spot and there is a crowd, you could walk down to the Jetties from Cape View - looks like there is more parking now. Make a day of it and just picnic. The Pier in Cocoa Beach (off Meade Avenue) is another good place to go. It juts far enough out into the Ocean for you to see down the coast.

    Enjoy! I was 6-12 when I was there and it never occurred to me then how important and world altering the Apollo project was. As ignorant as I was then, I remember perfectly, standing in awe as Apollo 11 went up.

    We camped out at the Jetties. The mosquito plane flew over and dumped orange stuff in my cereal that morning. When 11 finally went up, people cried. They were joyous and amazed. And then it was gone. Prior to launch it was like a party, after, it was quite and everyone was listening. All we had was the radio and TV to tell us if those three made it into space.

    Days(?) later, when the Eagle touched down, I had just walked into the Laundromat with my mom and sisters. It was (is?) located at the confluence of Atlantic and Astronaut and Monroe. The black and white TV had interrupted the soap opera. The Lunar Lander was out of fuel. No one was in the place but us. The news guy was scared. Mom and I just starred at the box with our arms full of laundry. She cried again when it landed. Safely.

    That night, she woke me up. She did not want me to miss the rocket's passengers, walking out onto the lunar soil, into history. The first man walked on the moon. I was a foot from the screen. I had no idea how far they had gone.

    As the TV screen cut from scene to scene all over the world, people were starring at TVs. Men had landed on the Moon, and everyone paused. I was moved by this event like nothing before. Everyone, not just the folks in Cape Canaveral where it all started, were holding their breath too, stopping their lives to watch three very brave men (and for those who know of Apollo 1, the host who toiled and sacrificed to lead the way before them) do something as simple as exit a vehicle.

    One guy had to stay behind. Alone, orbiting the Moon, going completely dark from humanity for a time, over and over, until his buddies finally got back into their ride home.

    I guess until now, I never thought of these days. But I remember the parade, sometime later, down Astronaut Blvd. with the three in a convertible and all the people that had worked behind the scenes to put them there, waving in joy at their safe return. It never seemed that anyone took the time to thank all the folks that never got there name in the spot light; who did their jobs to put men on the moon. But that day, I think the three were thanking the many.

    Wow - where the hell did all that come from??? Hope I answered your question in there somewhere.

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  50. Relax and watch from anywhere by AJ+Mexico · · Score: 1

    I have lived on Florida's space coast all my life -- long enough to see the space program from project Mercury on. Watching rocket launches is a hit or miss thing, with delays and cancellations very common. Everywhere within 5 or 10 miles of the launch pad is restricted. The closest viewing location is the VIP stands and news booths near the VAB. That's about 3 miles from the pad. You might luck into tickets if you know someone. Next is the NASA causeway (still restricted), about 6 miles away. This is a great spot, with over-water views. Tickets for this area are through the KSC visitor's center, and disappear withing minutes of going on sale. The KSC visitor's center also sells tickets to be at the KSC visitor's center for the launch. This is nothing special as a viewing spot -- you can't see the shuttle on the pad or anything.

    Fortunately, launches can be seen and heard for miles. If you dislike crowds, have kids, or just want a less stressful experience, just pick a spot somewhere and look up. You'll miss a lot of traffic, and won't have too much time invested if the launch is cancelled. Spots along the river (Indian River Lagoon) give you a clear view.

    I encourage everyone to visit the KSC visitor's center, especially the Saturn V moon rocket they have on display there. I think you have to ride the bus to get to the building with the Saturn V. That's really a nice exhibit. Very impressive!

    Inside tip: All shuttle launches now are destined for the ISS. Because of the orbit, these missions will all launch in a more northerly direction (north-east). Therefore, viewing sites to the north may be slightly more favorable than those to the south of the pad. Non-ISS missions, of which I don't expect any more, launched in a more south-easterly direction.

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  51. Gators by Mark_MF-WN · · Score: 1

    They don't wrestle the gators? Phht. Bunch of pussies. The fightin' spirit has gone out of you yankees, I swear. Back in my day, if some gator came for us, we'd beat it to death with the packs full of rocks that we had to lug from place to place, rock-transport being the principal economic activity at the time. Damn gators didn't get uppity after that, I tell you what. Good old fashion gumption is better than an MP5 any day. Unless that day happens to involve triffids or a really scary spider or something.

  52. But the is something better than a launch by John+Harrison · · Score: 1

    Well, there are probably at least two things that are more impressive than a launch. The obvious one is actually being launched. But the less obvious one is a test firing. I spent 18 months working at Thiokol Propulsion got to see several of them, including shuttle boosters, peacekeeper missles, and experimental engines. You stand on the side of the road a half a mile from the rocket and they have it strapped down to a huge slab of concrete and they light it up and it burns for 123 seconds in the case of a shuttle booster. So not only are you closer but the motor isn't a few miles away after several seconds.

    So what happens? You stand on the side of the road and they have a countdown. After they hit zero there is a bright flash of light and you see the flames but don't hear anything. If the weeds are tall during the summer or fall you see them bending over in a wave coming towards you. You also see birds taking flight as the sound wave hits them, probably giving them the fright of their lives. Old timers claim that they can see the spherical distortion of the air expanding outward from the motor, though I was never observant enough to catch that myself.

    Soon enough the sound hits you. And I do mean hits you. You don't hear it nearly as much as you feel it. It is like a deep tissue massage that doesn't let up. It is a continuous roar that is punctuated by sharp cracks. The missiles crack more often than the shuttle boosters. The goes on for the length of the burn. Some people cheer, others giggle at the absurdity of so much power at such close range.

    The missile tests don't last as long (about 60 seconds) but are more impressive. If you're ever in northern Utah I suggest calling Thiokol and asking if they have a test scheduled. While I was out there they were doing them every two months or so. I would guess that with the new launch vehicle program they'll be testing out the five segment boosters with greater frequency for a while, given that the shuttles use four segments.

  53. shuttle launch by Lennba · · Score: 1

    Does anybody have information on wacthing the launch by boat? Would love some helpon this. Thanks, len