The problem is that now we're replacing these people and there isn't anything they could move towards. There is no new sector opening that would hoover up that free workforce this time.
Who will design and model VR environments and video?
Who will program the VR entertainments? AI can't create things that humans find interesting and entertaining. No, don't give that crap about a 'bot that "wrote a poem" by combining words and phrases that a human came up with and fed to it. No don't show me that lame video of a robot arm that uses a pen and paper to draw an image that is synthesized from images that humans had drawn.
Who will build the robots?
Who will program the robots?
Who will test the robots? How would an AI know what "working" is as compared to "broken"? Even if we had such an AI how would that AI have been built other than by humans?
Who will deploy / install the robots?
Who will repair the robots? We don't have self-repairing robots. We can imagine it, but we can also imagine living forever.
Who will discover or invent new drugs? AI can filter and sort and combine and do lots of work... but only a human can make the critical decisions.
Who will direct the AI's "attention" to different things? Only a human can decide what's important to humans.
Why would you need a factory job if you could 3D print your own widget in your basement? Can we imagine digging up some dirt, feeding it to a machine, and out the other end comes a fork or a wheel or a shower faucet? Since you're all worried that the robots are going to take over absolutely everything then why fear the sky falling?
Anyway, it doesn't matter.
Nobody promised you a widescreen TV and an air conditioner etc.
You're not guaranteed to be rich nor even that you'll live to see tomorrow.
Go work for your food like everyone else. Go work for your clothes and your food and your water like everyone else. Make these things for yourself if you must.You're not guaranteed to be rich nor even that you'll live to see tomorrow.
For now we in the first world have it easy-- we live in luxury. The fact that we assume it's normal is really just pathetic on our part and we may have a rude awakening coming.
But if you think you are somehow owed these things, these luxuries, then screw you: you would be the enemy.
You'd be one of the people who makes the world suck because you demand that others work and suffer so that you don't have to.
You'd be really no different from a sub-Saharan warlord who rapes and steals and murders to get what he wants-- you merely use sanctimonious language to accomplish the same goals of stealing the fruits of others' labor.
You'd be a self-righteous thief but a thief none the less.
2. If so: where you think your paycheck comes from? Is someone using force to prevent you from negotiating adequate pay for your labor? Are you not better off than if you didn't have a job? Do you not have electricity, heat, an air conditioner, a TV, a computer, a cell phone? Are you not already part of the 1% just by being a citizen of a non-third-world country? Why don't you feel guilty for being so rich? Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and send half your paycheck to someone in Africa?
3. If not: you're simply advocating that the government take money from other people and give the money to you. That's immoral and you'd be an asshole to suggest something like that let alone to pretend like it's somehow the right thing to do. Screw you. Go get a job and work for a living instead of trying to institute a mechanism of indirect theft.
1. Mostly that's because my phone doesn't reboot when the apps on my phone are updated.
2. I don't use my phone for important work
3. The crappy version of Lagdroid that Samsung put on my Galaxy S III is no longer being updated anyway.
I also use Windows for the things that I cannot do on the other OS because it lacks the software.
What specific software are you using on Windows? Perhaps we can help find a solution for you that will run on Linux.
At worst you only spend a couple seconds telling us. At best you gain freedom.
I disagree that the rich getting richer necessarily makes the middle and lower classes poorer-- that is, I don't believe there's a fixed economic pie.
Furthermore, I don't believe that voluntary transactions and contracts are bad just because one party is richer than the other; though such transactions may be evil for other reasons (i.e. a contract for murder).
But I do agree that concentrating money into the hands of a few increases their power and that this is something which could potentially cause harm.
But I disagree that we should use unethical means to reduce the wealth of the upper class. I think the proper solution is for the middle and lower classes to work hard and invest wisely.
(disclaimer: I'm currently in the middle class, my parents and their family all came from the lower class and worked hard and became successful)
So they say "we're giving this billionaire $1 million, he'll definitely use it to hire people and not spend it on a third yacht like he used the last $2 million.
But who builds the yachts? Those yacht builders don't work for free do they? So those yacht builders (and crewmen) therefore receive the money. Right?
The sad thing is that, no matter how many times "socialism" and "communism" and "class warfare" is disproved or is tried and ends in misery, people keep flocking back to it and thinking it'll work perfectly this time.
Look, drinking a soda every once in a while or eating a bag of chips isn't going to hurt me.
Maybe, just maybe, I have this magical thing called self-control.
Yes, it's this weird thing where I don't shove butter and sugar into my face until I puke.
But maybe that's what I want. Who are you to tell me or anyone else how to live and enjoy myself?
Admonish me that my behavior is self-destructive-- good!
Explain to me that what I'm doing is going to hurt me and possibly others (i.e. wasting my life on booze)-- good!
But take away my indulgences, my vices, my pleasure pills?! NO! I'm a free man, damn it!
Why not let people eat what they want and live and die how they want?
Why is it everyone else's fault if a fat person gorges themselves to death? Or a drunkard dies from cirrhosis? Or a druggie dies from an overdose?
Why not let us live like adults and take responsibility for our own lives and our own good and bad decisions?
Oh, right, it's because of socialized medicine and other thinly veiled enslavement schemes, isn't it? It's because we're all shackled together and those who make bad decisions are now going to drag down everyone else. It's because self-righteous tyrants are trying to force some kind of behavior on everyone else.
Oh, but it's not the wannabe tyrants' fault is it? No, it's the fault of all those rich people who have more money than I do isn't it?
Why can't we be free instead?
Why can't we take responsibility for ourselves instead?
Why can't we realize that no matter what we do or how we live or force others to livewe are still going to die.
Why can't we live the life we want without self-righteous busy bodies or fear-mongers trying to ruin everything for us regardless of if we want something that is constructive or self-destructive?
Why is freedom always the very first enemy of so called "social" ideas?
It will be a sad day when you have no option but to buy from the Microsoft store, but that day is coming.
Why would that day ever come? There's Linux.
Also, anyone still using Windows has absolutely not right to complain since they're bringing this stuff on themselves by continuing to buy, use, and support a company and an OS that abuses them.
(disclaimer: I run Ubuntu 16.04 on all three of the computers that I use-- two at home and one at work)
Speak of the devil: I just logged into Steam and it gave me the hardware survey.
Linux is about 0.8% of the machines running Steam.
It's kind of a chicken-and-the-egg problem.
But the game industry, and Valve in particular, are in a difficult spot as Microsoft moves to force everyone to go through their app store.
I, for one, applaud Valve for bringing awesome games (about 80% of my Steam library runs natively on Linux) and great technology to Linux.
Hitman just released for Linux. Deus Ex came out for Linux not too long ago. The Total War series runs very well. XCOM, XCOM 2, The Witcher 2, Torchlight, Talos Principle, Stellaris, Rocket League and so on and so on...
I have more and better games than I have time to play. Thanks, Valve.
Neither I nor anyone else can twist your arm to switch to Linux-- just don't complain when Microsoft puts ads on your desktop, tracks your every move, forces updates down your throat whether you want them or not, and eventually moves to make you pay a subscription just to use your computer.
(disclaimer: I work at a research institute on a VR project)
The specs needed to support VR is insane right now. Top that the +1000$ bucks for the VR and you'll scare more than a few.
1. The specs aren't really insane. You will require a top-of-the-line machine (a modern i7, 8+ GB RAM, and a GTX 970 or better), but it's not insane. We spent about $1400 on our machines that run the VR and our project is built with Unreal Engine 4.12. It depends on the kind of graphics and shaders you're running.
2. We have both the Rift and the Vive. Both of them, with controllers, totaled about $800 each.
3. That is still pretty steep compared to the gaming machines I was building for myself a couple years ago for under $800, but it's not insane and it's actually cheaper than you would buy certain Macs or most "gaming" PCs for.
The cost for AAA game too is problematic as cannot use fixed cam to render only a part of the games.
I'm not sure what you mean by this. But we use Unreal 4 which supports both the Vive and the Rift with only a small effort on our part.
Top that the small number of people that can afford the VR and it's already unprofitable unless you're making a game that can play with or without VR.
It's a little pricey, but not out of the ballpark for anyone that contemplates spending money on, say, anything by Alienware; even cheaper if you build your own computer.
The only real difficulty of setting things up to run both with and without VR is figuring out a good control scheme that works for a mouse+keyboard and also for VR controllers.
I say, give it some time and, sooner or later, the VR will boom.
Considering the reactions of people I've demo'd our stuff to I agree with you on this.
He got the minimum size wrong, but apart from that, that's pretty prophetic.
He didn't get the size all that wrong. The important parts of a nuke such as one of the ones used on Japan were about the size of a grapefruit-- that is, the size of the plutonium as about as large as a grapefruit... which is only a little larger than an orange.
I think you misunderstand what I'm trying to say and focused on a facile reading of the words.
I'm saying that it's unrealistic to expect all my employees to be at the same level of excellence of skill and competence.
Therefore it makes sense to set up my environment so that I don't rely upon that unrealistic expectation and can still get good performance out of my team even if they're not all perfect.
I am pretty sure somebody's already kicked out the door what I need to get whatever flavor of Linux desktop to have that flat look, without things like tiles unless I decide in a fit of insanity I need those.
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The problem is that now we're replacing these people and there isn't anything they could move towards. There is no new sector opening that would hoover up that free workforce this time.
Who will design and model VR environments and video?
Who will program the VR entertainments? AI can't create things that humans find interesting and entertaining. No, don't give that crap about a 'bot that "wrote a poem" by combining words and phrases that a human came up with and fed to it. No don't show me that lame video of a robot arm that uses a pen and paper to draw an image that is synthesized from images that humans had drawn.
Who will build the robots?
Who will program the robots?
Who will test the robots? How would an AI know what "working" is as compared to "broken"? Even if we had such an AI how would that AI have been built other than by humans?
Who will deploy / install the robots?
Who will repair the robots? We don't have self-repairing robots. We can imagine it, but we can also imagine living forever.
Who will discover or invent new drugs? AI can filter and sort and combine and do lots of work... but only a human can make the critical decisions.
Who will direct the AI's "attention" to different things? Only a human can decide what's important to humans.
Why would you need a factory job if you could 3D print your own widget in your basement? Can we imagine digging up some dirt, feeding it to a machine, and out the other end comes a fork or a wheel or a shower faucet? Since you're all worried that the robots are going to take over absolutely everything then why fear the sky falling?
Anyway, it doesn't matter.
Nobody promised you a widescreen TV and an air conditioner etc.
You're not guaranteed to be rich nor even that you'll live to see tomorrow.
Go work for your food like everyone else. Go work for your clothes and your food and your water like everyone else. Make these things for yourself if you must.You're not guaranteed to be rich nor even that you'll live to see tomorrow.
For now we in the first world have it easy-- we live in luxury. The fact that we assume it's normal is really just pathetic on our part and we may have a rude awakening coming.
But if you think you are somehow owed these things, these luxuries, then screw you: you would be the enemy.
You'd be one of the people who makes the world suck because you demand that others work and suffer so that you don't have to.
You'd be really no different from a sub-Saharan warlord who rapes and steals and murders to get what he wants-- you merely use sanctimonious language to accomplish the same goals of stealing the fruits of others' labor.
You'd be a self-righteous thief but a thief none the less.
Capitalism is trickle-up by design,
1. Do you have a job?
2. If so: where you think your paycheck comes from? Is someone using force to prevent you from negotiating adequate pay for your labor? Are you not better off than if you didn't have a job? Do you not have electricity, heat, an air conditioner, a TV, a computer, a cell phone? Are you not already part of the 1% just by being a citizen of a non-third-world country? Why don't you feel guilty for being so rich? Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and send half your paycheck to someone in Africa?
3. If not: you're simply advocating that the government take money from other people and give the money to you. That's immoral and you'd be an asshole to suggest something like that let alone to pretend like it's somehow the right thing to do. Screw you. Go get a job and work for a living instead of trying to institute a mechanism of indirect theft.
Or better yet, copy how most Linux distros do this: never reboot and never nag me to update in the first place (unless I opt-in to the nagging).
Think about the absurdity of needing to trick your own OS into behaving the way you want or need it to.
Why not just use a different or better OS?
1. Mostly that's because my phone doesn't reboot when the apps on my phone are updated.
2. I don't use my phone for important work
3. The crappy version of Lagdroid that Samsung put on my Galaxy S III is no longer being updated anyway.
I also use Windows for the things that I cannot do on the other OS because it lacks the software.
What specific software are you using on Windows? Perhaps we can help find a solution for you that will run on Linux.
At worst you only spend a couple seconds telling us. At best you gain freedom.
I disagree that the rich getting richer necessarily makes the middle and lower classes poorer-- that is, I don't believe there's a fixed economic pie.
Furthermore, I don't believe that voluntary transactions and contracts are bad just because one party is richer than the other; though such transactions may be evil for other reasons (i.e. a contract for murder).
But I do agree that concentrating money into the hands of a few increases their power and that this is something which could potentially cause harm.
But I disagree that we should use unethical means to reduce the wealth of the upper class. I think the proper solution is for the middle and lower classes to work hard and invest wisely.
(disclaimer: I'm currently in the middle class, my parents and their family all came from the lower class and worked hard and became successful)
So they say "we're giving this billionaire $1 million, he'll definitely use it to hire people and not spend it on a third yacht like he used the last $2 million.
But who builds the yachts? Those yacht builders don't work for free do they? So those yacht builders (and crewmen) therefore receive the money. Right?
The sad thing is that, no matter how many times "socialism" and "communism" and "class warfare" is disproved or is tried and ends in misery, people keep flocking back to it and thinking it'll work perfectly this time.
Look, drinking a soda every once in a while or eating a bag of chips isn't going to hurt me.
Maybe, just maybe, I have this magical thing called self-control.
Yes, it's this weird thing where I don't shove butter and sugar into my face until I puke.
But maybe that's what I want. Who are you to tell me or anyone else how to live and enjoy myself?
Admonish me that my behavior is self-destructive-- good!
Explain to me that what I'm doing is going to hurt me and possibly others (i.e. wasting my life on booze)-- good!
But take away my indulgences, my vices, my pleasure pills?! NO! I'm a free man, damn it!
Why not let people eat what they want and live and die how they want?
Why is it everyone else's fault if a fat person gorges themselves to death? Or a drunkard dies from cirrhosis? Or a druggie dies from an overdose?
Why not let us live like adults and take responsibility for our own lives and our own good and bad decisions?
Oh, right, it's because of socialized medicine and other thinly veiled enslavement schemes, isn't it? It's because we're all shackled together and those who make bad decisions are now going to drag down everyone else. It's because self-righteous tyrants are trying to force some kind of behavior on everyone else.
Oh, but it's not the wannabe tyrants' fault is it? No, it's the fault of all those rich people who have more money than I do isn't it?
Why can't we be free instead?
Why can't we take responsibility for ourselves instead?
Why can't we realize that no matter what we do or how we live or force others to live we are still going to die.
Why can't we live the life we want without self-righteous busy bodies or fear-mongers trying to ruin everything for us regardless of if we want something that is constructive or self-destructive?
Why is freedom always the very first enemy of so called "social" ideas?
Look, dude, I agree with you 100%.
But please learn the difference between "you're" and "your".
It will be a sad day when you have no option but to buy from the Microsoft store, but that day is coming.
Why would that day ever come? There's Linux.
Also, anyone still using Windows has absolutely not right to complain since they're bringing this stuff on themselves by continuing to buy, use, and support a company and an OS that abuses them.
(disclaimer: I run Ubuntu 16.04 on all three of the computers that I use-- two at home and one at work)
Speak of the devil: I just logged into Steam and it gave me the hardware survey.
Linux is about 0.8% of the machines running Steam.
It's kind of a chicken-and-the-egg problem.
But the game industry, and Valve in particular, are in a difficult spot as Microsoft moves to force everyone to go through their app store.
I, for one, applaud Valve for bringing awesome games (about 80% of my Steam library runs natively on Linux) and great technology to Linux.
Hitman just released for Linux. Deus Ex came out for Linux not too long ago. The Total War series runs very well. XCOM, XCOM 2, The Witcher 2, Torchlight, Talos Principle, Stellaris, Rocket League and so on and so on...
I have more and better games than I have time to play. Thanks, Valve.
Neither I nor anyone else can twist your arm to switch to Linux-- just don't complain when Microsoft puts ads on your desktop, tracks your every move, forces updates down your throat whether you want them or not, and eventually moves to make you pay a subscription just to use your computer.
The specs needed to support VR is insane right now. Top that the +1000$ bucks for the VR and you'll scare more than a few.
1. The specs aren't really insane. You will require a top-of-the-line machine (a modern i7, 8+ GB RAM, and a GTX 970 or better), but it's not insane. We spent about $1400 on our machines that run the VR and our project is built with Unreal Engine 4.12. It depends on the kind of graphics and shaders you're running.
2. We have both the Rift and the Vive. Both of them, with controllers, totaled about $800 each.
3. That is still pretty steep compared to the gaming machines I was building for myself a couple years ago for under $800, but it's not insane and it's actually cheaper than you would buy certain Macs or most "gaming" PCs for.
The cost for AAA game too is problematic as cannot use fixed cam to render only a part of the games.
I'm not sure what you mean by this. But we use Unreal 4 which supports both the Vive and the Rift with only a small effort on our part.
Top that the small number of people that can afford the VR and it's already unprofitable unless you're making a game that can play with or without VR.
It's a little pricey, but not out of the ballpark for anyone that contemplates spending money on, say, anything by Alienware; even cheaper if you build your own computer.
The only real difficulty of setting things up to run both with and without VR is figuring out a good control scheme that works for a mouse+keyboard and also for VR controllers.
I say, give it some time and, sooner or later, the VR will boom.
Considering the reactions of people I've demo'd our stuff to I agree with you on this.
You should not have posted this as AC. Many will not read your comment who otherwise would have.
He got the minimum size wrong, but apart from that, that's pretty prophetic.
He didn't get the size all that wrong. The important parts of a nuke such as one of the ones used on Japan were about the size of a grapefruit-- that is, the size of the plutonium as about as large as a grapefruit... which is only a little larger than an orange.
Of course intellectuals are disdained. Thought is dead.
And it is post-modern nihilism and relativity (not the quantum kind) that killed it.
You shouldn't have posted this as AC. Many will not read what you wrote because of it.
If you made a computer advanced enough that it would be functionally equivalent to a human, it would automatically be sentient as well.
Begging the question.
Use JS cache timing attacks. Story from /.
What's the matter, can't take a joke?
Coal NEEDS to choke under regulations before it chokes us all and destroys our climate.
For someone whose handle is "DickBreath" it seems to me that you have... bigger... issues to worry about choking on.
It's too early to actually say "I called it", but I'll just leave this here anyway.
I see. So we're basically in agreement then?
I think you misunderstand what I'm trying to say and focused on a facile reading of the words.
I'm saying that it's unrealistic to expect all my employees to be at the same level of excellence of skill and competence.
Therefore it makes sense to set up my environment so that I don't rely upon that unrealistic expectation and can still get good performance out of my team even if they're not all perfect.
Please think a little deeper about what people have to say.
I am pretty sure somebody's already kicked out the door what I need to get whatever flavor of Linux desktop to have that flat look, without things like tiles unless I decide in a fit of insanity I need those.
Ricing my desktop was one of the things that got me into Linux and a source of amazement that Microsoft still doesn't provide a clean, out-of-the-box, just-werks way to buy and install themes on Windows.