I despise Intel's ME sleazyness as much as anyone, but ME has nothing to do with Meltdown or Spectre.
If you wanted to argue that ME is tangentially related because it's a backdoor that might allow someone to then use Meltdown to attack a machine then that sounds very plausible to me, but again, that's only tangentially related and also has nothing to do with performance of Intel's chips.
So this now puts Intel chips right in line with AMD's Ryzen per-core performance... except Ryzen costs less and delivers more cores.
I wish I'd bought AMD stock two years ago...
It's this.
The FBI already did crack an iPhone. They bought the crack from some Israeli firm if I remember right.
Also, Apple is a US company... a very rich one. It would be a shame if the Feds discovered some large amount of back taxes were due... Or they might not even have to resort to the rubber hose method: the Feds could trivially insert some NSA guys into the engineering teams at Apple and get all the back doors they could ever want for free.
Oh, a nice little bonus: with all this loud and colorful protestation of how secure Apple is their revenue is also bound to increase... and thus also the taxes gleaned from Apple. It's like Apple is paying to be abused by the Feds-- when was the last time a whore paid you for sex?
Are you hungry sick and homeless? Do you go volunteer to feed those who are or are you just virtue signalling on the internet?
He's pointing out the fact that others much less fortunate than the rich, suffer needlessly. All because the rich refuse to give back to the society that built them up
Here in the West even our poor people are fat. The cause of being poor is a refusal to work.
If you meant globally then, again, I ask what you've done in Africa or India or South America to feed the hungry and cure the sick.
The rich have blood on their hands, because they have the ability to do something (pay a living wage, like a normal person), but refuse to do so, to the point that their own workers can't make ends meet.
How retarded do you have to be to not realize that you're not earning a living from your agreed upon salary and just go find a better job and place to live? No, this is a straw man that you've set up. People aren't starving to death in the streets because they just can't earn enough because da rich whitey keepin' them down.
The rich should have "their" money taken from them.
And there it is. You're straight up calling for theft. You are evil. You are what's wrong with the world.
But to make matters worse you call yourself moral and try to lay claim to righteousness!
I wish you socialists would start something. I can't wait. It'll either end with right wing death squads in a holocaust to make all others pale in comparison or it'll end in mass starvation and the destruction of Western Civilization that will make the collapse of Rome look like a small camp fire. Either way the world may finally have some peace for a time from you self-righteous assholes.
What do you want? You want armed insurrection right this very minute? Against the most powerful military in human history?
That's unrealistic. Things are just too comfy to go burning the entire country down. I got internet and plenty of food and water and shelter. Life isn't so bad that I want to risk it and almost the entire country is thinking this same way.
Any other option amounts to basically impotent whining that the government can ignore.
Did you see that post above about how a 25% increase in payroll would put them out of business?
Yeah, that mandatory thing about Obamacare that everyone on the right screamed bloody murder about?
It turns out that it was a serious issue with real consequences.
And it wasn't earned by you either so demanding that it be stolen and given to you (in whole or in part) or to other people is theft. You're envious of how much money someone else has. You are not in the right here.
You, of course, wrote that post on a computer running Linux?
Because if you're using MacOS or Windows then that would sort of undermine your point, wouldn't it?
Want to make a difference?
Go out of your way to use open source software. At home convert everything you have to open source software. At work just do it without even asking, just choose open source tech to base your stuff on (do I even have to say "as much as possible where it won't break things"??).
Microsoft, Intel, WD, Oracle etc. will start to get the message when their fat contracts stop getting renewed because real people who work in the tech industry are choosing vendors that screw them less badly or choose open source solutions instead.
Did anyone else notice how M$ all-a-sudden got real cozy and friendly with open source stuff in the past couple years? Yeah, they noticed that everyone was using Linux on their servers and that you can barely find even a single page of documentation for $LatestCoolFramework written for Windows rather than for *nix. When was the last time you heard everyone get excited about some ASP.NET thing or IIS or anything besides anger and annoyance at M$ and Windows 10? They tried to push their crappy little store and got a yawn or outright derision and hatred from people "who know how to use computers"; these are the same people that write the code and set up the servers and they remember the asshole moves that Oracle and M$ and Intel et al have made in the past. Microsoft noticed how they were the uncool jerks that all the programmers couldn't wait to get rid of... oh, and tralala see guys we're opening up the C# license stuff and absorbing Mono and implementing a Linux subsystem for Windows and here's this, like, totally cool text editor VisualStudio Code! See, guys and girls, we're like totally rad and cool now...
They'll worry. Oh, they'll worry. Just put the pressure on... but do we even care if they reform? We can't trust that they won't go back to their abusive ways if their bottom line starts to recover.
Strike abusive software companies at the neck: use open source software.
They must go further and quantify and release data about actual productivity.
It should go without saying that age, experience, and skill set stats must also be included.
And while we're at it, we should also make a note to release all info about who knows who and for how long as well as stats on who has been on which project for how long.
Y'know, now that I think about, it's probably also crucial to get some figures on who lives in which neighborhood because the cost of living and thus also salaries varies by region.
What if we just cut to the chase and straight up mandate how much companies must pay their workers? Surely that won't drive jobs away... because we'll all be so multi-cultural and anti-sexists that our utopia will be the only place that anyone will ever want to work!
This is exactly reversed: without something to use there is nothing to secure.
In other words, before making a car safe one must first have a car. So, while important (and different people place different importance on it) security is not the paramount.
1. Nobody can be an expert in everything.
2. Software now reaches domains that were previously unimagined, so there's now more domains than ever to be an expert in.
3. Specialization is the inevitable, essential, and indispensable result of an expanding software industry.
How many people that work in an Adidas factory could make a shoe from scratch? And yet our shoes are so much better than they were two hundred years ago and so plentiful and so cheap that we buy new ones every couple years instead of repairing the ones we have.
The same could be said of cars: an assembly line probably doesn't even know what kind of metal the engine block is made of much less how to actually produce the engine block or how it works.
I understand your point. And yes, it would be better if everyone knew and understood everything about everything.
But here in the real world we're trying to pay bills, keep food on the table, and send the kids off to college. It's not my job, nor yours, nor should it be, to wax egotistical about how much I know about this library or that language or such-and-such complex system-- it's impossible anyway.
JIT generally is just as fast as native code. It's things like automatic garbage collection, on-the-fly object generation, dynamic typing, bounds-checking, and other language inefficiencies which slow down the languages which are commonly JITed (i.e. C#, Dart, JS, Java, etc.).
Code written in C is so fast because the people who write with it don't screw around and the language allows them to fully utilize their expertise.
This is probably fairly obvious to anyone who is a programmer though.
The reason C is making a sort of comeback is that more people are catching on and there was a serious lack of alternatives for a long time.
Now there are alternatives which are actually very good and can actually deliver exactly the same things that C delivers but with improvements to productivity and safety. Namely: the new C++ and Rust.
Older versions of C++ have left a bad taste in people's mouths. There's some good reasons for that, but I think it's unfair to paint the new C++ with the same old brush and assume it hasn't changed and improved. On top of that, there's decades of experience with it (for those who have braved the rough edges these many years) and a consequent glut of extremely nice tools for C++ that have all been blooded and well used. I like modern C++ and I want it to improve, but there's some real issues that need to be addressed. Lack of standard cross-platform batteries-included libraries is an embarrassment. npm, pip, and even cargo have been around for years; it should have been C++ that came out with this stuff first. On a related note, module support needs to be implemented and landed now.
The new kid, Rust, shows some very impressive promise. But it's still new and is still earning its stripes and there's a serious lack of good tools for it. Until Rust gets its own IDE with full auto-complete and visual debugging support you can expect Rust to remain the domain of hipsters and iconoclasts while C and C++ continue on. It's still early, though. I have great hopes for Rust.
Do you have proof that Intel deliberately implemented Meltdown, then lied and covered it up for decades until it was exposed?
Because otherwise you're being asinine. There's no such thing as perfect products or products that won't break down or bug-free software or bug-free hardware.
Let me get this straight: some super rich people are looking around and decide that they don't like "how all those young'uns are spending a lot of time on them there phones (that I'm making a lot of money on...). T'ain't right. We gotta get them kids to go out an' play!"
How is it any of their business how other people run their own lives? Why isn't there a counter news article saying "butt out and mind your own business"?
It is probably the result of previous research done into cache timing attacks that was released a year or two ago. Then all these guys who are on the bleeding edge started getting curious how they could combine those earlier techniques with speculative execution and thus, since they all were spurred at the same time, came to the same conclusion at roughly the same time. Read the papers on Meltdown and Spectre: the papers used cache timing as a fundamental technique for carrying out the full attacks during the experiments.
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I'll just leave this here...
I'll just leave this here...
Voight Kampf...
I despise Intel's ME sleazyness as much as anyone, but ME has nothing to do with Meltdown or Spectre.
If you wanted to argue that ME is tangentially related because it's a backdoor that might allow someone to then use Meltdown to attack a machine then that sounds very plausible to me, but again, that's only tangentially related and also has nothing to do with performance of Intel's chips.
So this now puts Intel chips right in line with AMD's Ryzen per-core performance... except Ryzen costs less and delivers more cores.
I wish I'd bought AMD stock two years ago...
It's this.
The FBI already did crack an iPhone. They bought the crack from some Israeli firm if I remember right.
Also, Apple is a US company... a very rich one. It would be a shame if the Feds discovered some large amount of back taxes were due... Or they might not even have to resort to the rubber hose method: the Feds could trivially insert some NSA guys into the engineering teams at Apple and get all the back doors they could ever want for free.
Oh, a nice little bonus: with all this loud and colorful protestation of how secure Apple is their revenue is also bound to increase... and thus also the taxes gleaned from Apple. It's like Apple is paying to be abused by the Feds-- when was the last time a whore paid you for sex?
He's pointing out the fact that others much less fortunate than the rich, suffer needlessly. All because the rich refuse to give back to the society that built them up
Here in the West even our poor people are fat. The cause of being poor is a refusal to work.
If you meant globally then, again, I ask what you've done in Africa or India or South America to feed the hungry and cure the sick.
The rich have blood on their hands, because they have the ability to do something (pay a living wage, like a normal person), but refuse to do so, to the point that their own workers can't make ends meet.
How retarded do you have to be to not realize that you're not earning a living from your agreed upon salary and just go find a better job and place to live? No, this is a straw man that you've set up. People aren't starving to death in the streets because they just can't earn enough because da rich whitey keepin' them down.
The rich should have "their" money taken from them.
And there it is. You're straight up calling for theft. You are evil. You are what's wrong with the world.
But to make matters worse you call yourself moral and try to lay claim to righteousness!
I wish you socialists would start something. I can't wait. It'll either end with right wing death squads in a holocaust to make all others pale in comparison or it'll end in mass starvation and the destruction of Western Civilization that will make the collapse of Rome look like a small camp fire. Either way the world may finally have some peace for a time from you self-righteous assholes.
What do you want? You want armed insurrection right this very minute? Against the most powerful military in human history?
That's unrealistic. Things are just too comfy to go burning the entire country down. I got internet and plenty of food and water and shelter. Life isn't so bad that I want to risk it and almost the entire country is thinking this same way.
Any other option amounts to basically impotent whining that the government can ignore.
The reason it's happening now is cheap, reliable microcontrollers and big, high res touch screens are finally widely available.
Yes, but why did anyone work hard in order to produce those cheap reliable microcontrollers and big high-res touch screens?
Did you see that post above about how a 25% increase in payroll would put them out of business?
Yeah, that mandatory thing about Obamacare that everyone on the right screamed bloody murder about?
It turns out that it was a serious issue with real consequences.
And it wasn't earned by you either so demanding that it be stolen and given to you (in whole or in part) or to other people is theft. You're envious of how much money someone else has. You are not in the right here.
I actually do run Linux. But you would be right if I wasn't.
You, of course, wrote that post on a computer running Linux?
Because if you're using MacOS or Windows then that would sort of undermine your point, wouldn't it?
Parent post is kind of right.
Want to make a difference?
Go out of your way to use open source software. At home convert everything you have to open source software. At work just do it without even asking, just choose open source tech to base your stuff on (do I even have to say "as much as possible where it won't break things"??).
Microsoft, Intel, WD, Oracle etc. will start to get the message when their fat contracts stop getting renewed because real people who work in the tech industry are choosing vendors that screw them less badly or choose open source solutions instead.
Did anyone else notice how M$ all-a-sudden got real cozy and friendly with open source stuff in the past couple years? Yeah, they noticed that everyone was using Linux on their servers and that you can barely find even a single page of documentation for $LatestCoolFramework written for Windows rather than for *nix. When was the last time you heard everyone get excited about some ASP.NET thing or IIS or anything besides anger and annoyance at M$ and Windows 10? They tried to push their crappy little store and got a yawn or outright derision and hatred from people "who know how to use computers"; these are the same people that write the code and set up the servers and they remember the asshole moves that Oracle and M$ and Intel et al have made in the past. Microsoft noticed how they were the uncool jerks that all the programmers couldn't wait to get rid of... oh, and tralala see guys we're opening up the C# license stuff and absorbing Mono and implementing a Linux subsystem for Windows and here's this, like, totally cool text editor VisualStudio Code! See, guys and girls, we're like totally rad and cool now...
They'll worry. Oh, they'll worry. Just put the pressure on... but do we even care if they reform? We can't trust that they won't go back to their abusive ways if their bottom line starts to recover.
Strike abusive software companies at the neck: use open source software.
So you basically argued that the KKK switched which party they voted for... not that the D's and R's switched their platforms.
So... you're stupid.
They must go further and quantify and release data about actual productivity.
It should go without saying that age, experience, and skill set stats must also be included.
And while we're at it, we should also make a note to release all info about who knows who and for how long as well as stats on who has been on which project for how long.
Y'know, now that I think about, it's probably also crucial to get some figures on who lives in which neighborhood because the cost of living and thus also salaries varies by region.
What if we just cut to the chase and straight up mandate how much companies must pay their workers?
Surely that won't drive jobs away... because we'll all be so multi-cultural and anti-sexists that our utopia will be the only place that anyone will ever want to work!
And now they give us something that alludes Intel, a reliable CPU.
Read.
...security is paramount, usability is not.
This is exactly reversed: without something to use there is nothing to secure.
In other words, before making a car safe one must first have a car. So, while important (and different people place different importance on it) security is not the paramount.
I don't think that straight up elitism is a good argument for anything.
1. Nobody can be an expert in everything.
2. Software now reaches domains that were previously unimagined, so there's now more domains than ever to be an expert in.
3. Specialization is the inevitable, essential, and indispensable result of an expanding software industry.
How many people that work in an Adidas factory could make a shoe from scratch? And yet our shoes are so much better than they were two hundred years ago and so plentiful and so cheap that we buy new ones every couple years instead of repairing the ones we have.
The same could be said of cars: an assembly line probably doesn't even know what kind of metal the engine block is made of much less how to actually produce the engine block or how it works.
I understand your point. And yes, it would be better if everyone knew and understood everything about everything.
But here in the real world we're trying to pay bills, keep food on the table, and send the kids off to college. It's not my job, nor yours, nor should it be, to wax egotistical about how much I know about this library or that language or such-and-such complex system-- it's impossible anyway.
JIT generally is just as fast as native code. It's things like automatic garbage collection, on-the-fly object generation, dynamic typing, bounds-checking, and other language inefficiencies which slow down the languages which are commonly JITed (i.e. C#, Dart, JS, Java, etc.).
Code written in C is so fast because the people who write with it don't screw around and the language allows them to fully utilize their expertise.
This is probably fairly obvious to anyone who is a programmer though.
The reason C is making a sort of comeback is that more people are catching on and there was a serious lack of alternatives for a long time.
Now there are alternatives which are actually very good and can actually deliver exactly the same things that C delivers but with improvements to productivity and safety. Namely: the new C++ and Rust.
Older versions of C++ have left a bad taste in people's mouths. There's some good reasons for that, but I think it's unfair to paint the new C++ with the same old brush and assume it hasn't changed and improved. On top of that, there's decades of experience with it (for those who have braved the rough edges these many years) and a consequent glut of extremely nice tools for C++ that have all been blooded and well used. I like modern C++ and I want it to improve, but there's some real issues that need to be addressed. Lack of standard cross-platform batteries-included libraries is an embarrassment. npm, pip, and even cargo have been around for years; it should have been C++ that came out with this stuff first. On a related note, module support needs to be implemented and landed now.
The new kid, Rust, shows some very impressive promise. But it's still new and is still earning its stripes and there's a serious lack of good tools for it. Until Rust gets its own IDE with full auto-complete and visual debugging support you can expect Rust to remain the domain of hipsters and iconoclasts while C and C++ continue on. It's still early, though. I have great hopes for Rust.
Do you have proof that Intel deliberately implemented Meltdown, then lied and covered it up for decades until it was exposed?
Because otherwise you're being asinine. There's no such thing as perfect products or products that won't break down or bug-free software or bug-free hardware.
Let me get this straight: some super rich people are looking around and decide that they don't like "how all those young'uns are spending a lot of time on them there phones (that I'm making a lot of money on...). T'ain't right. We gotta get them kids to go out an' play!"
How is it any of their business how other people run their own lives? Why isn't there a counter news article saying "butt out and mind your own business"?
It is probably the result of previous research done into cache timing attacks that was released a year or two ago. Then all these guys who are on the bleeding edge started getting curious how they could combine those earlier techniques with speculative execution and thus, since they all were spurred at the same time, came to the same conclusion at roughly the same time. Read the papers on Meltdown and Spectre: the papers used cache timing as a fundamental technique for carrying out the full attacks during the experiments.
Until some similar bug crops up on AMD too.
The proper approach to unreasonable people is to ignore them.