.. and especially my business. I have 2 years of infrastructure and software built into OSS. RedHat would be sunk and illegal if they where not 'certified'.
Basically I don't believe that such a thing -could- be pulled off. It would be a political disaster for whoever tried.
I am sure that the recording industry and MS/Apple and probably Sun would love nothing more than this. *sigh*
Maybe OSS will be the 'Gun Control' debate of the 21'st century.
I believe that this is a true time to watch our government. If they truly have in their heart the goal to fight terrorism effectively, they will need to work with all the European/Asian/African and especially Arabic countries to really change anything. Only through those means will they have any chance at being a success.
Unfortunately, bad and evil situations ALWAYS, as history has showed us, show peoples true colors. The shock is starting to fade for myself, the grief is still strong but most of all I want justice. For the US to make hasty and bold moves without the support of the world, which is ready to stand behind us, is an offense in my eyes to the peoples whose lives have been taken and HARDLY a justice but more vengeance.
I just pray we dont stoop to the level of terrorism that we have witnessed first hand. I know too that I will pay much closer attention as a citizen of the US to what the government is doing in the foreign countries and try to make more educated votes and support accordingly. For all our sake I hope the US citizens as a whole will start to keep our own government and policies in check beyond Mexico and Canada or the War on Drugs(TM).
I have my hopes set that our government really does have the interests of our people at heart. I support the president, but as the rest of the world, I am watching VERY closely and listening to everything and thinking twice about what I am being told. I think most importantly, I have pried my ass away from CNN.
Perl & PHP are (imho) closer to the systm. I am currently writing an asset managment system that tracks and organizes various files as well as performing various operations on those files.
All of our main application servers are running on Java (Resin, not Tomcat though;-). I have found that in pure database management java can be much easier if you use the right tools. I personally am VERY effective using JBuilder in Linux to build JavaBeans and then dive into VI w/the webdesigners on implimenting them with JSP. I know that there are various other template systems out there, but we are very comfortable with the quarks of JSP and once you spend the time getting used to the ERROR messages of JSP, it's hard to let go. (Maybe like learning REGEX syntax of perl?:)
For the project I have on my radar, I don't know if JAVA will let me take advantage of all the native unix command line tools that are out there. I don't know how other programmers feel about taking advantage of chaining unix tools from within programs using things like system forks, etc., but it has helped me write very robust code and impliment it in a way that puts solutions out the door fast.
Unfortunately the problem I have with Java (it's getting better.. ), is when there is any threading in the picture, things go fast until things get VERY concurrent with lots of users. Maybe I am not a good enough programmer to overcome some of these problems, (I have only been programming professionaly for about 4 1/2 years, 2 of which exclusively with Java and previous in C/C++/Perl). I have had situations where I have gotten myself into trouble with unmaintainable code with PHP, I think most beginner PHP programmers do, but I am not making that mystake now.
The nice thing about technologies such as XMLRPC / SOAP.. it will REALLY let us choose the best tool for the job, and communicate openly with other 'best of breed/for job' tools.
PHP can be a very valuable tool because it illiminates a lot of the details that frankly, most people like myself just get themselves into trouble with. One other point, I have never gotten myself into a performance hole with PHP, Java I have. I have learned from those mistakes of course and probably wouldn't have any problems with performance if our team had the chance to rewrite all the java from scratch, hindsight is 20/20.. but I guess that is what experience brings you.
Maybe when I am 10 years old and have a few more hairs on my chin, I will be able to pickup any language and not dig myself into a pit.;-) But understanding your OWN limitations and abilities as a programmer is JUST as important as picking the right language, some people are just not ready for some languages. Some people don't have the patience to finish the job correctly with a System level language, as some do.
Experiment with all the environments, you will find what suits you best... I personally am still waiting for a viable alternative to Zope as Python is my language of choice.. I am still waiting for PHP to impliment Exceptions so I can write better error trapping, and I am STILL trying to hone my skills so that I don't write bad and inefficient code and proclaim 'JAVA IS SLOW' when in reality I could of done 101 things different to get outstanding performance.
It's not a J2EE complient system, you have to use something like JBoss with it to do that.
Also, what does tomcat do to help my php/python/perl and (yes) windows software? Not much unless I integrate into it XMLRPC or SOAP which is not trivial.
I don't believe that J2EE is very accessable unless your using a java client, again if there are solutions out there, they are hardly well accepted or trivial to impliment (unlike XMLRPC for example) I suppose.
A) People are upset and HURT. I don't know if the country has ever felt so much emotional pain over any given event. I haven't. As a matter of fact I am having a harder time dealing with this issue peronally than when my grandfather passed away about a year and a half ago.
B) Anyone that goes and watches CNN for more than 3 minutes or browses the CNN.com website would probably pull the trigger themselves. I know I sure as hell would.
The country is mourning, and will mourn for a long while. Bush is NOT 'lashing' out at anyone. The world is watching, and will support him (Bush) if the evidence is gathered and clearly points to Laden. There is the chance that it wasn't, but realistically there is enough evidence already to condemn him in a court of law.
The end of the day, any man who will send a jumbo-jet with innocent people, even babies for gods sake, doesn't deserve to live. It's the same calm cool Nazi's probably had sending Jews to the showers.
I empathize with your statement. I lived in Switzerland for a while and it sounds like your descibing something similar.
The point though is this. We are dealing with a human that can in-humanly justify loading a jumbo-jet(s) full of fuel, and humans (children/babies/mothers/etc included) and flying them into sky scrapers and destroying without prejidice. (probably Muslims died in that crash).
What happens when this guy gets his hands on weapons of mass destruction? Nuclear warheads? A spray-can full of Anthrax?
The reality of it is , your peace loving country probably doesn't have anything that this terrorist wants. You don't have to worry.
Often times the apathetic attitude is ok for dealing with a neighbor who is noisy or does things that are abnoxious. They need to be stoped before they create problems for the whole of humanity.
This was sword through the shoulder to all Americans (might I say any human with a soul), but it can/will happen to any country if this mad-man is not stopped. If that means going to war with the whole of Afgan. to get this problem resolved fine. If that means another cold war, fine. Frankly my hope in long term human survival has just fallen through the floor, as long as people like this walk the earth and (god help us all) have access to weapons of mass destruction.
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This madman was warning people about the event before it happened!:-(
This guy seemed to be warning people on the newsgroup about the end of the world, etc etc. And that tomorrow you will understand my warnings, blah blah blah.
Maybe it's crap, but it's still fricken given me chills.
I copied this from an AOL news-board, I hope the original author doesn't mind. I actually started crying when I started to read it and thought it was worth passing on to slashdot. (Yes, good things can come from AOL users!:)
God bless him, and god bless the souls of those in NYC. Your friends abroad (in Uk) have you in our prayers.
Hmm.. it's a message board, a BBS.. not a air-traffic-control system. I am sure that more time and effort can be put into better text search tool (ie. off the shelf alternatives exist), but who cares?
I just want to see the news, read crap from trolls (such as yourself), and hopefully learn a thing or two.
You put a lot of effort into this post, but you haven't offered a single suggestion on improvments, only shot down the efforts of many. I guess some people are born to build, some are born to tear down.
They are going to have a better chance to push through realistic remedies rather than a huge one that doesn't make sense and would take 4-6 years to push through the courts and.. then implimenting. Geez, what a mess.
Just set them so they don't go back to begining and start repeating history. MS is in for some tough time ahead. Sooner or later the economy problems will catch up with them, as they seem to be slowly crawling up the food chain. (first dot bombs, second bandwidth/hardware, traditional software companies.. brick and morter... etc etc. Soon enough it will crawl back up to MS and bite em!):)
5) Convince MS to enforce a method of stoping piracy of Office letting only people that *gasp* pay use it. Also convince MS to include advanced phone home features, complicated authentication / license rules, etc. Surely this would be the best thing for a free-beer alternative.
You know what? RMS and other complainers can suck it. Suck it long, and suck it hard!
Right on man! I am so sick of the politics with FSF. After reading a few threads with the 'free developers' early days w/Tony Stanco and RMS I realized that these guys are in it for 95% ego trip, 5% because they might actually believe in something. Sometimes I feel a bit misled, but on the other hand.. it's not about them. It's about free software.
KDE - GNOME - whatever wars are quite boring, but when I see people slagging off the people who put in hard work w/nothing but slaps in the face from slashbots it makes me want to vomit. I for one am VERY appreciate of the work of the KDE team as I have an alternative to Windows that 'Works For Me(TM)'. (I use kde for 8-10 hours a day at work).
But sometimes I feel FSF is more about politics than anything else.
Hmm... It might suprise you.. I look back to when I 'really' wanted to get into Linux (3-4 years ago...) trying to get mod_perl and apache to compile.. it was a fricken challenge. Now it's a definately a new world with easy distro's with Linux, but if a small company had a person on hand that knew how to use / setup a OSX box and the companies needs where 1-2 servers, it's not so unreasonable. I believe it is the 'easy way out' that go so many IIS servers into datacenters, and other than the big colored boxes, could be quite practical and easy to manage. Most of the big mac news sites are running on OSX and seem to be doing ok. (macosrumors.com, macosx.com, macslash.org, etc)
Ok, sorry for calling you a jerk.. point taken.;-) Was pretty trollish of me to say such a thing.
Anyway, yeah... Installing a new sound card on a PC or upgrading a video card on your mac would be something an above-average person would try.. but I would be surprised if someone w/out 6-month to 1 year experience using linux and getting used to the in's and out's of the system could do such a thing.
Lets take moms and stupid co-workers out of the view for a few minutes. I have a younger brother who is a programmer. He has years and year of Windows experience. He knows how to use Linux, and even does all his text editing in VI. (I know, VI doesn't make the man..
He tried to install RedHat on his machine as he is learning C++ and wanted to use kdevelop. By the time I helped him get XWindows working correctly as his monitor he installed was different than the one he was really using, changing his network settings (Tried RedHat 7.1 lately?) get his strange network card working, (again this was after install he put it in..) and then readjust the frequency on the monitor from 75 hz which it seemed to be stuck at until I pointed him on how to edit the xconfig file... anyway, it was like this.. blah blah blah for about 2 days when he finaly talked me into going over and helping him work through some of these issues as he was pretty frustrated.
Now me as a linux hobiest thrive on such challenges, but his mentality is not so tinkerish. This is not good, it's not bad.. it's just him. I would say that there are quite a few people out there like him too.
Anyway, the point is.. until these almost-trivial to technofile linux guru's are trivial to people that just don't have time to muck with it (ie. my brother)... Linux is going to be a voodoo magick-stick only used by witch-doctor techno-skum like us.:) Might I add, this same person bought a G4 about 4 1/2 weeks ago and has sinced turned off that linux machine as he can do everything he needs (development/colaboration with coworkers) on a single machine. OSX seems to be doing what linux hasn't been able to. Take Unix to Mom.
Not that I am the MS XP lover, but a few points I must disagree on.
XP is the product of the two biggest sins a corporation can commit: arrogance and contempt. It's arrogant in that it's overpriced, offers NOTHING new over WIndows 2000, and in fact, takes away from it.
Hmm... Bold statement. Do you have anything other than blind rage to back that up?
The Home version upgrade is 100% more expensive than ME! (ME could be had for $50 to upgrade from 98). For what benefit? None that I can tell. Sure, you are likely to gain some of 2000's stability, but you will surely lose game compatibility (which is why the deplorable Win `9X is still the gamers OS). Is that worth $100? Not to me. And I'd bet not to many joe blows.
Hmm.... Isn't stability a pretty big thing for the home user?;-) Lets face it, thats what drove a lot of people from windows to linux in the early days.. Quite frankly, the world will be a much better place with Windows running w/out crashes. 9x->ME was a joke, thats why it was a complete flop. MS admited that the sales where disapointing.. who won in the end? The consumer.. they made a choice not to buy it. I made a choice to buy Windows 2000 at home for my gaming/family computer because it's compatible with all the games I enjoy and it's VERY stable.
As to what I have heard on the street, XP is has had almost flawless backward compatibility and various 'compatibility' switches to help you if you have compatibility problems.
If XP sucks so bad, people won't buy it.. (ie. ME).. As for me, I am quite happy with Windows 2000. (I also have a dual processor PIII system) and won't be upgrading to XP.. but at least I have a choice.. even on the windows platform. I will probably be able to use my copy of Windows 2000 for the next 2-3 years without 'having' to upgrade either. For $200 thats not so unreasonable is it? I pay more than that in distributions (Mandrake) over 2 years. I wouldn't think of it as unfair. Your predictions are a bit agressive and in the end the consumer will win. There are alternatives and MS is facing huge competitors (IBM, Sony, Sun, Apple, HP, AOL/TW, etc). Someone would rise and offer a -real- alternative(s), if the situation became so hideous.
Don't you just love those generic "It's too hard complaints"? Long on complains, low on details. This guy claims to know about Linux "because he reads SlashDot". Trust me, that's not enough. Do you have any idea how many people don't learn anything about Windows by reading ZDNet? Besides, I've read lots of books on playing chess, and I still suck, so trust me, reading isn't always enough.
Man, don't be such a jerk. The guy has a very valid point. If you want some examples, let me give you some.
1. Recompiling the kernel to get a sound card or network card working that didn't come w/the distro.
2. Getting 3D-accell video working so you can play quake 3.
3. Setting up internet sharing on anything but Linux Mandrake.
.. etc. etc. etc.
The windows world is one of 0 documentation, but the difference in Windows is you don't need it.
At work, home and office I have a Linux/Windows dual box combo for various tasks. For one box I have a STACK of books, the other.. not a single one.;-) You can guess which one is for which? You got it.. Linux/UNIX. Obviously one was designed to do complicated things, the other wasn't. I wouldn't expect the Windows machine to do what my Linux box can do if I had a stack of Windows manuals. But for the average user, this mentality isn't going to take them far. They want to use the box for accomplishing simple tasks, etc. Unfortunately linux can prohibit at times this from happening. (ie. playing quake 3, etc). Windows makes this DEAD simple. (as does Apple OSX mind you).
I can't imagine setting up a production webserver on windows any more than I can imagine playing quake 3 on my Linux box. One is for work and one is for play;-)
Anyone know of a MP3/Video distribution under way? It would be very cool to have a Debian distro sitting in an old computer on my corner that was controled via remote control, etc. Just buy the big-ol hard drive and your up and going. I wouldn't mind spending 80-90 dollars on any special equipment to give me remote control or even a video output to my TV..
Domino is hardly a great solution because they don't offer a 'great' linux based solution for calandering, contacts etc. You can use Wine for the Notes client, but just doesn't work with my configuration.
Basically I use Mozilla Mail and scribe my apointments into my Palm by hand.
The nice thing about it, for the Windows users they are quite happy once they got over the Outlook hangover. (Notes has to also be one of the WORST user interfaces I have ever seen on an email client...) IBM builds great technology, but they have a -LOT- to learn about the human side of computing.
We have a few irix based machines, having talking to one of the SGI guys, they said that it's a bit of a myth that the 32bit abi is significantly slower than the 64 bit abi on IRIX.
Aparantly the 64bit architecture helps out when doing things like accessing large disks, large amounts of memory, etc. But the instructions are basically the same, so in theory.... ImageMagick will convert images at the same performance at 32bit on Irix as compiled at 64bit on Irix. (assuming that they are both running on a 64bit platform.. ie Origin 200).
Anyway, this was from an SGI employee... who knows, maybe he is wrong... but I haven't seen any performance gains or losses to disprove what he has said.
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.. and especially my business. I have 2 years of infrastructure and software built into OSS. RedHat would be sunk and illegal if they where not 'certified'.
Basically I don't believe that such a thing -could- be pulled off. It would be a political disaster for whoever tried.
I am sure that the recording industry and MS/Apple and probably Sun would love nothing more than this. *sigh*
Maybe OSS will be the 'Gun Control' debate of the 21'st century.
downloading your game now, looks fun ;-)
Thanks for the link
I totally agree.
I believe that this is a true time to watch our government. If they truly have in their heart the goal to fight terrorism effectively, they will need to work with all the European/Asian/African and especially Arabic countries to really change anything. Only through those means will they have any chance at being a success.
Unfortunately, bad and evil situations ALWAYS, as history has showed us, show peoples true colors. The shock is starting to fade for myself, the grief is still strong but most of all I want justice. For the US to make hasty and bold moves without the support of the world, which is ready to stand behind us, is an offense in my eyes to the peoples whose lives have been taken and HARDLY a justice but more vengeance.
I just pray we dont stoop to the level of terrorism that we have witnessed first hand. I know too that I will pay much closer attention as a citizen of the US to what the government is doing in the foreign countries and try to make more educated votes and support accordingly. For all our sake I hope the US citizens as a whole will start to keep our own government and policies in check beyond Mexico and Canada or the War on Drugs(TM).
I have my hopes set that our government really does have the interests of our people at heart. I support the president, but as the rest of the world, I am watching VERY closely and listening to everything and thinking twice about what I am being told. I think most importantly, I have pried my ass away from CNN.
Personally,
;-). I have found that in pure database management java can be much easier if you use the right tools. I personally am VERY effective using JBuilder in Linux to build JavaBeans and then dive into VI w/the webdesigners on implimenting them with JSP. I know that there are various other template systems out there, but we are very comfortable with the quarks of JSP and once you spend the time getting used to the ERROR messages of JSP, it's hard to let go. (Maybe like learning REGEX syntax of perl?:)
.. it will REALLY let us choose the best tool for the job, and communicate openly with other 'best of breed/for job' tools.
;-) But understanding your OWN limitations and abilities as a programmer is JUST as important as picking the right language, some people are just not ready for some languages. Some people don't have the patience to finish the job correctly with a System level language, as some do.
Perl & PHP are (imho) closer to the systm. I am currently writing an asset managment system that tracks and organizes various files as well as performing various operations on those files.
All of our main application servers are running on Java (Resin, not Tomcat though
For the project I have on my radar, I don't know if JAVA will let me take advantage of all the native unix command line tools that are out there. I don't know how other programmers feel about taking advantage of chaining unix tools from within programs using things like system forks, etc., but it has helped me write very robust code and impliment it in a way that puts solutions out the door fast.
Unfortunately the problem I have with Java (it's getting better.. ), is when there is any threading in the picture, things go fast until things get VERY concurrent with lots of users. Maybe I am not a good enough programmer to overcome some of these problems, (I have only been programming professionaly for about 4 1/2 years, 2 of which exclusively with Java and previous in C/C++/Perl). I have had situations where I have gotten myself into trouble with unmaintainable code with PHP, I think most beginner PHP programmers do, but I am not making that mystake now.
The nice thing about technologies such as XMLRPC / SOAP
PHP can be a very valuable tool because it illiminates a lot of the details that frankly, most people like myself just get themselves into trouble with. One other point, I have never gotten myself into a performance hole with PHP, Java I have. I have learned from those mistakes of course and probably wouldn't have any problems with performance if our team had the chance to rewrite all the java from scratch, hindsight is 20/20.. but I guess that is what experience brings you.
Maybe when I am 10 years old and have a few more hairs on my chin, I will be able to pickup any language and not dig myself into a pit.
Experiment with all the environments, you will find what suits you best... I personally am still waiting for a viable alternative to Zope as Python is my language of choice.. I am still waiting for PHP to impliment Exceptions so I can write better error trapping, and I am STILL trying to hone my skills so that I don't write bad and inefficient code and proclaim 'JAVA IS SLOW' when in reality I could of done 101 things different to get outstanding performance.
Hope this helps
Tomcat is great if web pages are your goal.
It's not a J2EE complient system, you have to use something like JBoss with it to do that.
Also, what does tomcat do to help my php/python/perl and (yes) windows software? Not much unless I integrate into it XMLRPC or SOAP which is not trivial.
I don't believe that J2EE is very accessable unless your using a java client, again if there are solutions out there, they are hardly well accepted or trivial to impliment (unlike XMLRPC for example) I suppose.
Dont trust that poll.
A) People are upset and HURT. I don't know if the country has ever felt so much emotional pain over any given event. I haven't. As a matter of fact I am having a harder time dealing with this issue peronally than when my grandfather passed away about a year and a half ago.
B) Anyone that goes and watches CNN for more than 3 minutes or browses the CNN.com website would probably pull the trigger themselves. I know I sure as hell would.
The country is mourning, and will mourn for a long while. Bush is NOT 'lashing' out at anyone. The world is watching, and will support him (Bush) if the evidence is gathered and clearly points to Laden. There is the chance that it wasn't, but realistically there is enough evidence already to condemn him in a court of law.
The end of the day, any man who will send a jumbo-jet with innocent people, even babies for gods sake, doesn't deserve to live. It's the same calm cool Nazi's probably had sending Jews to the showers.
God damn the people who did do it.
I empathize with your statement. I lived in Switzerland for a while and it sounds like your descibing something similar.
The point though is this. We are dealing with a human that can in-humanly justify loading a jumbo-jet(s) full of fuel, and humans (children/babies/mothers/etc included) and flying them into sky scrapers and destroying without prejidice. (probably Muslims died in that crash).
What happens when this guy gets his hands on weapons of mass destruction? Nuclear warheads? A spray-can full of Anthrax?
The reality of it is , your peace loving country probably doesn't have anything that this terrorist wants. You don't have to worry.
Often times the apathetic attitude is ok for dealing with a neighbor who is noisy or does things that are abnoxious. They need to be stoped before they create problems for the whole of humanity.
This was sword through the shoulder to all Americans (might I say any human with a soul), but it can/will happen to any country if this mad-man is not stopped. If that means going to war with the whole of Afgan. to get this problem resolved fine. If that means another cold war, fine. Frankly my hope in long term human survival has just fallen through the floor, as long as people like this walk the earth and (god help us all) have access to weapons of mass destruction.
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This madman was warning people about the event before it happened!
This guy seemed to be warning people on the newsgroup about the end of the world, etc etc. And that tomorrow you will understand my warnings, blah blah blah.
Maybe it's crap, but it's still fricken given me chills.
Sometimes I think that being a \. editor must be as gratifying as a dentist. ;-) Good luck to your friends.
I copied this from an AOL news-board, I hope the original author doesn't mind. I actually started crying when I started to read it and thought it was worth passing on to slashdot. (Yes, good things can come from AOL users! :)
God bless him, and god bless the souls of those in NYC. Your friends abroad (in Uk) have you in our prayers.
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Hmm.. it's a message board, a BBS.. not a air-traffic-control system. I am sure that more time and effort can be put into better text search tool (ie. off the shelf alternatives exist), but who cares?
I just want to see the news, read crap from trolls (such as yourself), and hopefully learn a thing or two.
You put a lot of effort into this post, but you haven't offered a single suggestion on improvments, only shot down the efforts of many. I guess some people are born to build, some are born to tear down.
Good luck on your conquest.
They are going to have a better chance to push through realistic remedies rather than a huge one that doesn't make sense and would take 4-6 years to push through the courts and
Just set them so they don't go back to begining and start repeating history. MS is in for some tough time ahead. Sooner or later the economy problems will catch up with them, as they seem to be slowly crawling up the food chain. (first dot bombs, second bandwidth/hardware, traditional software companies.. brick and morter... etc etc. Soon enough it will crawl back up to MS and bite em!)
You forgot
5) Convince MS to enforce a method of stoping piracy of Office letting only people that *gasp* pay use it. Also convince MS to include advanced phone home features, complicated authentication / license rules, etc. Surely this would be the best thing for a free-beer alternative.
You know what? RMS and other complainers can suck it. Suck it long, and suck it hard!
Right on man! I am so sick of the politics with FSF. After reading a few threads with the 'free developers' early days w/Tony Stanco and RMS I realized that these guys are in it for 95% ego trip, 5% because they might actually believe in something. Sometimes I feel a bit misled, but on the other hand.. it's not about them. It's about free software.
KDE - GNOME - whatever wars are quite boring, but when I see people slagging off the people who put in hard work w/nothing but slaps in the face from slashbots it makes me want to vomit. I for one am VERY appreciate of the work of the KDE team as I have an alternative to Windows that 'Works For Me(TM)'. (I use kde for 8-10 hours a day at work).
But sometimes I feel FSF is more about politics than anything else.
Hmm... It might suprise you .. I look back to when I 'really' wanted to get into Linux (3-4 years ago...) trying to get mod_perl and apache to compile.. it was a fricken challenge. Now it's a definately a new world with easy distro's with Linux, but if a small company had a person on hand that knew how to use / setup a OSX box and the companies needs where 1-2 servers, it's not so unreasonable. I believe it is the 'easy way out' that go so many IIS servers into datacenters, and other than the big colored boxes, could be quite practical and easy to manage. Most of the big mac news sites are running on OSX and seem to be doing ok. (macosrumors.com, macosx.com, macslash.org, etc)
Cheers
Ok, sorry for calling you a jerk.. point taken. ;-) Was pretty trollish of me to say such a thing.
.. anyway, it was like this .. blah blah blah for about 2 days when he finaly talked me into going over and helping him work through some of these issues as he was pretty frustrated.
... Linux is going to be a voodoo magick-stick only used by witch-doctor techno-skum like us. :) Might I add, this same person bought a G4 about 4 1/2 weeks ago and has sinced turned off that linux machine as he can do everything he needs (development/colaboration with coworkers) on a single machine. OSX seems to be doing what linux hasn't been able to. Take Unix to Mom.
Anyway, yeah... Installing a new sound card on a PC or upgrading a video card on your mac would be something an above-average person would try.. but I would be surprised if someone w/out 6-month to 1 year experience using linux and getting used to the in's and out's of the system could do such a thing.
Lets take moms and stupid co-workers out of the view for a few minutes. I have a younger brother who is a programmer. He has years and year of Windows experience. He knows how to use Linux, and even does all his text editing in VI. (I know, VI doesn't make the man..
He tried to install RedHat on his machine as he is learning C++ and wanted to use kdevelop. By the time I helped him get XWindows working correctly as his monitor he installed was different than the one he was really using, changing his network settings (Tried RedHat 7.1 lately?) get his strange network card working, (again this was after install he put it in..) and then readjust the frequency on the monitor from 75 hz which it seemed to be stuck at until I pointed him on how to edit the xconfig file.
Now me as a linux hobiest thrive on such challenges, but his mentality is not so tinkerish. This is not good, it's not bad.. it's just him. I would say that there are quite a few people out there like him too.
Anyway, the point is.. until these almost-trivial to technofile linux guru's are trivial to people that just don't have time to muck with it (ie. my brother)
Not that I am the MS XP lover, but a few points I must disagree on.
;-) Lets face it, thats what drove a lot of people from windows to linux in the early days.. Quite frankly, the world will be a much better place with Windows running w/out crashes. 9x->ME was a joke, thats why it was a complete flop. MS admited that the sales where disapointing.. who won in the end? The consumer.. they made a choice not to buy it. I made a choice to buy Windows 2000 at home for my gaming/family computer because it's compatible with all the games I enjoy and it's VERY stable.
.. but at least I have a choice.. even on the windows platform. I will probably be able to use my copy of Windows 2000 for the next 2-3 years without 'having' to upgrade either. For $200 thats not so unreasonable is it? I pay more than that in distributions (Mandrake) over 2 years. I wouldn't think of it as unfair. Your predictions are a bit agressive and in the end the consumer will win. There are alternatives and MS is facing huge competitors (IBM, Sony, Sun, Apple, HP, AOL/TW, etc). Someone would rise and offer a -real- alternative(s), if the situation became so hideous.
XP is the product of the two biggest sins a corporation can commit: arrogance and contempt. It's arrogant in that it's overpriced, offers NOTHING new over WIndows 2000, and in fact, takes away from it.
Hmm... Bold statement. Do you have anything other than blind rage to back that up?
The Home version upgrade is 100% more expensive than ME! (ME could be had for $50 to upgrade from 98). For what benefit? None that I can tell. Sure, you are likely to gain some of 2000's stability, but you will surely lose game compatibility (which is why the deplorable Win `9X is still the gamers OS). Is that worth $100? Not to me. And I'd bet not to many joe blows.
Hmm.... Isn't stability a pretty big thing for the home user?
As to what I have heard on the street, XP is has had almost flawless backward compatibility and various 'compatibility' switches to help you if you have compatibility problems.
If XP sucks so bad, people won't buy it.. (ie. ME).. As for me, I am quite happy with Windows 2000. (I also have a dual processor PIII system) and won't be upgrading to XP
Don't you just love those generic "It's too hard complaints"? Long on complains, low on details. This guy claims to know about Linux "because he reads SlashDot". Trust me, that's not enough. Do you have any idea how many people don't learn anything about Windows by reading ZDNet? Besides, I've read lots of books on playing chess, and I still suck, so trust me, reading isn't always enough.
Man, don't be such a jerk. The guy has a very valid point. If you want some examples, let me give you some.
1. Recompiling the kernel to get a sound card or network card working that didn't come w/the distro.
2. Getting 3D-accell video working so you can play quake 3.
3. Setting up internet sharing on anything but Linux Mandrake.
.. etc. etc. etc.
The windows world is one of 0 documentation, but the difference in Windows is you don't need it.
At work, home and office I have a Linux/Windows dual box combo for various tasks. For one box I have a STACK of books, the other.. not a single one.
I can't imagine setting up a production webserver on windows any more than I can imagine playing quake 3 on my Linux box. One is for work and one is for play
Anyone know of a MP3/Video distribution under way? It would be very cool to have a Debian distro sitting in an old computer on my corner that was controled via remote control, etc. Just buy the big-ol hard drive and your up and going. I wouldn't mind spending 80-90 dollars on any special equipment to give me remote control or even a video output to my TV..
Anyway, just an idea...
BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
If thats all that MS can do , we are in great shape!
3D EXCEL would be cool though. I have never liked 2d spreadsheets
This was the exact thing I thought when I read the article. I was thinking trident/cirrus logic in the early 90's when I was making a 286 purchase.
Today I use nVidia.
On my future laptop, I would probably only consider a ATI/nVidia chipset.
I don't see why this parent post was moded as a troll. Someone needs to notify the moderators village, tell them that their idiot is missing.
Domino is hardly a great solution because they don't offer a 'great' linux based solution for calandering, contacts etc. You can use Wine for the Notes client, but just doesn't work with my configuration.
Basically I use Mozilla Mail and scribe my apointments into my Palm by hand.
The nice thing about it, for the Windows users they are quite happy once they got over the Outlook hangover. (Notes has to also be one of the WORST user interfaces I have ever seen on an email client...) IBM builds great technology, but they have a -LOT- to learn about the human side of computing.
We have a few irix based machines, having talking to one of the SGI guys, they said that it's a bit of a myth that the 32bit abi is significantly slower than the 64 bit abi on IRIX.
Aparantly the 64bit architecture helps out when doing things like accessing large disks, large amounts of memory, etc. But the instructions are basically the same, so in theory.... ImageMagick will convert images at the same performance at 32bit on Irix as compiled at 64bit on Irix. (assuming that they are both running on a 64bit platform.. ie Origin 200).
Anyway, this was from an SGI employee... who knows, maybe he is wrong... but I haven't seen any performance gains or losses to disprove what he has said.