1) you don't have anti-aliased drawables (e.g., arcs) under X; 2) anti-aliasing of fonts does not exist under X; 3) you can't do font rotation under X;
Direct alpha-channel support would be another nice thing to have. Someone else mentioned notification upon color map changes, and that, too, would be good.
And with whom, exactly, is Amiga competing? Who would bother reacting to a product which has been in development for almost a decade? Get real; Amiga is a threat to no one. Plus, Mandrake is a good guy, and he would not have publicized the meeting if it were a private one. Amiga is probably loving the attention.
This is a prime example of what Linux brings to the table and why the decision on Amiga's part to go with Linux, an advanced and mature desktop platform, was better than the decision to go with QNX, a rarely-used desktop platform with not much general-purpose software and a shallow bench of programmers to draw off of.
Anyone think that message passing would be effecient on platform with dynamic code recompilation in hardware? Heck, maybe you could even run mach on the transmeta chip and have it not be dog-slow. Then again, why use such hardware towards a system without the graphics system to push the awesome floating point, right?
Who cares what the CORBA vendors do when there are such great free ORBs? ORBit supports C, and even among C++ ORBs, TAO is probably the best ORB out there, and it's free, too.
CORBA vendors are about as important as compiler vendors these days.
> Writing CORBA in anything but an object-oriented > programming language is an extremely difficult > thing to do because the CORBA bindings for > things like C try to emulate OOP.
I disagree. Once you understand the C bindings, they are just as easy as the C++ bindings.
> C++ itself is a fine language. It's been proven > that above about 50k lines of code, C++ is far > more efficient to work in than C and simply > easier to understand.
It's been proven that 9 out of 10 statistics are drawn out of thin air and are worth the paper they are printed on. NT is written in C++, Linux is written in C. I'll leave it to the reader to decide how valid this "proof" is.
N.b., I never contested that RTOSs were good for embedded work, I just asserted that their constraints made them sub-optimal for desktop and multimedia purposes, just as Linux is an inappriopriate OS for embedded work.
The notion that QNX would be a good substrate for a consumer environment like Amiga is laughable.
And quite a few of them, even most of them, don't. The ones that don't are primitive platforms unsuited for real applications. Those that do are still horribly unfriendly programming environments. Remind me again which RTOS has a decent windowing system? I've seen QNX's, and that ain't it.
Yeah, DOS is smaller and faster, too, but that doesn't mean that I'd use it. It's amazing how small and fast you can make an OS when you don't care about "memory protection" and other recent fads in OS design.
QNX leaks info on a deal to try to force Amiga to partner with them, and you say that Amiga are the backstabbers? As the Canadians say, fuck off, eh?
No one forced QNX to do anything, and if any contracts were violated, then I'm sure that they can sue for relief. Otherwise, that's life in the big city for a commercial software vendor. If you don't like it, then hack on free software and lead a worry-free existence.
Why would anyone want to work on QNX anyway? RTOSs are crappy environments in general; they're barely worth the trouble in embedded work and not worth it at all in other cases.
Linux people should really pay attention to Outlook and all of the cool stuff that Microsoft does in it. With the possible exception of GNUS, Outlook is the best email client on the planet. Sure, it has its faults, but if you subscribe to the "my inbox contains everything in my whole life" school of life management, then Outlook is about the best there is. Now, it's far from worth justifying Windows, which is why I sue the mighty pine, but everyone should at least give it a shot and see what neat stuff they have.
Intel is trying to run AMD out of cash before AMD makes it into the giant cash horde of server-class chips. If they succede, then AMD will be dead, dead, dead. If they don't, then they will never be able to destroy AMD, and they will never again be able to command the kinds of premiums that they do today on, e.g., Xeons.
I'm rooting for AMD and will be buying an Althon on principle. Competition rules, monopolies suck, and competitors trying to bust up monopolies deserve consumers' support.
Linux International's financial and organizational support were instrumental in getting the Atlanta Linux Showcase off the ground. ALS was, as of this past fall, the largest Linux show ever. To my mind, that is a hell of a good use of their resources. It took a lot of guts for MadDog et al. to extend the resources which they did to the ALE users' group, but they did it. We thank them for it.
Except that when Miguel asked if he could do just that, he was told that KOM was someone's masters thesis, and therefore they were not accepting any changes to the architecture, since half of the thesis was already written based on the already- extant arch.
I don't blame the KDE or the GNOME folks for the fact that their are two different architectures. I do blame some of the people here for being morons about the whole matter.
"Comparing DCOM and CORBA okay, but hearing that "Gnome mimics Microsoft's OLE by using CORBA" drive me nuts !
Except that it's (almost) true. GNOME has Baboon, an interface which is built on top of CORBA but modeled after OLE, which allows one to embed other apps within their own, in much the same way you can have a live Excel chart in a Word doc under windows.
I wish that people would investigate this stuff before just flaming away on it.
I am moderately displeased with this article. I think that the author was in a little over his head for the subject matter. I know that I did not say that GNOME "is multilingual and language-independent". As for the OLE stuff, I really did try to explain it to him, but when he asked me what OLE stood for I realized that we had a problem. He didn't include any of the other 9 reasons to run GNOME which I explained to him; I think he was short of time. When he called me "a technical manager at ISP MindSpring", I felt like replying back, "I don't call you reporter at magazine Infoworld!" Alas.
Like, dude, chill out. We've talked to the XF86 folks, and we know that TT is on the way in the much-anticipated 4.0 release. However, GNOME is supposed to work on all unices, not just Linux, and that means working on X servers other than XF86. That, not NIH, is why the canvas rocks as much as it does.
Something else that people have failed to mention is that the canvas is flicker-free, something rarely found in its competitors in the X world.
Oh yeah, and the stock has been up past 93 today.
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1) you don't have anti-aliased drawables (e.g.,
arcs) under X;
2) anti-aliasing of fonts does not exist under X;
3) you can't do font rotation under X;
Direct alpha-channel support would be another
nice thing to have. Someone else mentioned
notification upon color map changes, and that,
too, would be good.
And with whom, exactly, is Amiga competing? Who would bother reacting to a product which has been in development for almost a decade? Get real; Amiga is a threat to no one. Plus, Mandrake is a good guy, and he would not have publicized the meeting if it were a private one. Amiga is probably loving the attention.
This is a prime example of what Linux brings to the table and why the decision on Amiga's part to go with Linux, an advanced and mature desktop platform, was better than the decision to go with QNX, a rarely-used desktop platform with not much general-purpose software and a shallow bench of programmers to draw off of.
Anyone think that message passing would be effecient on platform with dynamic code recompilation in hardware? Heck, maybe you could even run mach on the transmeta chip and have it not be dog-slow. Then again, why use such hardware towards a system without the graphics system to push the awesome floating point, right?
Who cares what the CORBA vendors do when there are
such great free ORBs? ORBit supports C, and even
among C++ ORBs, TAO is probably the best ORB
out there, and it's free, too.
CORBA vendors are about as important as compiler
vendors these days.
Lightweight and stable?
How about underpowered and useless! RTOSs don't
even have compilers; you have to write everything
in assembler. How sucky is that?
QNX is a horrible operating system. I wouldn't
use it to run a toaster, much less a desktop
environment. Message passing is for wussies.
> Writing CORBA in anything but an object-oriented
> programming language is an extremely difficult
> thing to do because the CORBA bindings for
> things like C try to emulate OOP.
I disagree. Once you understand the C bindings,
they are just as easy as the C++ bindings.
> C++ itself is a fine language. It's been proven
> that above about 50k lines of code, C++ is far
> more efficient to work in than C and simply
> easier to understand.
It's been proven that 9 out of 10 statistics are
drawn out of thin air and are worth the paper they
are printed on. NT is written in C++, Linux is
written in C. I'll leave it to the reader to
decide how valid this "proof" is.
> Are are you just another 20 something college dropout
> with no social skills and a big mouth?
Yes!
And QNX's windowing system is a joke. Not 1/10
good enough to host something as sophisticated as
KDE.
N.b., I never contested that RTOSs were good for
embedded work, I just asserted that their
constraints made them sub-optimal for desktop
and multimedia purposes, just as Linux is an
inappriopriate OS for embedded work.
The notion that QNX would be a good substrate
for a consumer environment like Amiga is
laughable.
And quite a few of them, even most of them, don't.
The ones that don't are primitive platforms
unsuited for real applications. Those that do
are still horribly unfriendly programming
environments. Remind me again which RTOS has
a decent windowing system? I've seen QNX's,
and that ain't it.
Yes, I want to be stuck with only one OS.
As for reasons, I gave a good one in my previous
post: memory protection.
Yeah, DOS is smaller and faster, too, but that
doesn't mean that I'd use it. It's amazing how
small and fast you can make an OS when you don't
care about "memory protection" and other recent
fads in OS design.
RTOSs suck; GPOSs rule. Get over it, eh?
QNX leaks info on a deal to try to force Amiga to
partner with them, and you say that Amiga are the
backstabbers? As the Canadians say, fuck off, eh?
No one forced QNX to do anything, and if any
contracts were violated, then I'm sure that they
can sue for relief. Otherwise, that's life in
the big city for a commercial software vendor.
If you don't like it, then hack on free software
and lead a worry-free existence.
Why would anyone want to work on QNX anyway?
RTOSs are crappy environments in general; they're
barely worth the trouble in embedded work and
not worth it at all in other cases.
Linux people should really pay attention to Outlook
and all of the cool stuff that Microsoft does in
it. With the possible exception of GNUS, Outlook
is the best email client on the planet. Sure, it
has its faults, but if you subscribe to the "my inbox
contains everything in my whole life" school of life
management, then Outlook is about the best there is.
Now, it's far from worth justifying Windows, which
is why I sue the mighty pine, but everyone should at least
give it a shot and see what neat stuff they have.
Intel is trying to run AMD out of cash before AMD
makes it into the giant cash horde of server-class
chips. If they succede, then AMD will be dead,
dead, dead. If they don't, then they will never
be able to destroy AMD, and they will never again
be able to command the kinds of premiums that
they do today on, e.g., Xeons.
I'm rooting for AMD and will be buying an Althon
on principle. Competition rules, monopolies suck,
and competitors trying to bust up monopolies
deserve consumers' support.
Linux International's financial and organizational
support were instrumental in getting the Atlanta
Linux Showcase off the ground. ALS was, as of this
past fall, the largest Linux show ever. To my mind,
that is a hell of a good use of their resources.
It took a lot of guts for MadDog et al. to extend
the resources which they did to the ALE users' group,
but they did it. We thank them for it.
Except that when Miguel asked if he could do just
that, he was told that KOM was someone's masters
thesis, and therefore they were not accepting any
changes to the architecture, since half of the
thesis was already written based on the already-
extant arch.
I don't blame the KDE or the GNOME folks for the
fact that their are two different architectures.
I do blame some of the people here for being morons about the whole matter.
"Comparing DCOM and CORBA okay, but hearing
that "Gnome mimics Microsoft's OLE by using CORBA" drive me nuts !
Except that it's (almost) true. GNOME has Baboon, an interface which is built on top of CORBA but modeled after OLE, which allows one to embed other apps within their own, in much the same way you can have a live Excel chart in a Word doc under windows.
I wish that people would investigate this stuff before just flaming away on it.
I am moderately displeased with this article.
I think that the author was in a little over
his head for the subject matter. I know that
I did not say that GNOME "is multilingual and
language-independent". As for the OLE stuff, I
really did try to explain it to him, but when he
asked me what OLE stood for I realized that we
had a problem. He didn't include any of the other
9 reasons to run GNOME which I explained to him;
I think he was short of time. When he called me "a technical manager at ISP MindSpring", I felt like replying back, "I don't call you reporter at magazine Infoworld!" Alas.
"is hoped to be submitted to the X Consortium for
inclusion as a standard extension."
I can't find mention of this anywhere on the
XF86 web page. Can you point me to the
announcement/plan document?
Like, dude, chill out. We've talked to the
XF86 folks, and we know that TT is on the way
in the much-anticipated 4.0 release. However,
GNOME is supposed to work on all unices, not
just Linux, and that means working on X servers
other than XF86. That, not NIH, is why the
canvas rocks as much as it does.
Something else that people have failed to mention
is that the canvas is flicker-free, something
rarely found in its competitors in the X world.
Scott, I know for a fact that you do have work
to do. Don't make me come down there.
Plus, it's bad form to brag.
Yes, but we all work for MindSpring!