I didn't see one when I read the article (and I was just about to post it to/. too.:-) )
I just feel they should be sure and point out who is the original aggressor here. DoS attacks are NOT how you deal with this kind of issue, but it doesn't seem like Big Business is going to leave the little guy with any other choices.
The design was fine, the implementation was FUBAR.
The problem with the Gyros is my personal favorite. The gyros are powered by a bunch of wires which spin in a liquid. When the liquid was injected into the current batch of gyros, they used Air.
As we all know, Air contains O2. O2 corrodes. The wires corrode, break off, Gyro stops.
For the new ones, they used Nitrogen so we shouldn't have these problems in the future.
I'll try to dig up the link with this info, but I should be working!
Interestingly, water purification is one of the most process-controlled things in this country. Did you know that there are more metrics preformed on the average gallon of drinking water than on most parts in a Boeing 747?
Strange but true.
I'm not too worried around my area, but that's just cause I know some people who run large hospitals's Plant enginnering departments and they've gone over the water people round here with a fine toothed sledgehammer.
It's not as simple as it sounds, though. Large volumes of purified drinking water is one of the more amazing accomplishments of civilization.
They're not doing the "cheaper" part of this by choice. People just don't care when NASA's budget gets cut.
Besides, I'm more interested in the outcome of DS2 from a "smaller, cheaper, better" perspective.
Cmon, most people can't write an OS that doesn't crash under certian circumstances. I find it amazing that ANY space missions work. We're going to shoot your computer 100,000,000 miles away and everything has to function perfectly and you have to plan for EVERY eventuallity. Oh, and we cut your budget by 20% and you contractor is using english measurements (due to some apparent stupidity) and...
This is probably the strangest GIS yet. Except perhaps the GIS 3 SP1 episode.
Very amusing, but very... rambling.:-)
"I'm SAILING!" LOL!
Hey, those Voodoo2s are only like $79 with a $30 rebate these days, and you've only got to give in to the evil that is 3dfx. They're still quite decent and they're very well supported. I just wish I didn't have to get one, since I've already got a TNT, but those drivers just don't seem to be going anywhere.:-(
Slashdot relies on inteligent readers. Too bad the IQ curve around here is about the same as anywhere else.
The New York Times doesn't always get it right. You expect/., driven by the community, to get things right all the time?
Personally, I prefer hearing about this kind of thing first and stories like this following it up later. In the end, I'm responsible for my actions and if I act on partial or incorrect facts it's my fault.
/. doesn't have the $$ to be a REAL newspaper with paid reporters and fact checkers, so you've got to take what you get, but keep the salt handy.
In which way SGI plans to diferentiate within Linux community?
I wonder if they need to. Most people coming from some sort of a *NIX background tend to know who SGI is.
They can't compete with Dell without building a serious image as a PC company, but they've already got a great image as a killer graphics company. Stupid financials, but killer graphics.:-)
Even if they just became an Ultra-High-End WS and Linux Software company they could still be very well off (although at a size much smaller than the current company, but I wouldn't trust any job at SGI long right now).
I wonder how much of a competitive advantage this gives ID? REALLY. Think about it. EVERYBODY played Q3Test, almost everyone is playing Q3DemoTest and tons of people will be playing Q3. Doesn't this give them a huge advantage over the Unreal folks when it comes time to do Q4 and they're trying to figure out what hardware to design at?
Really, John. You Foobared. Fix it and move on. If it's connecting to an extra server and it's not in the Docs, it's a Trojan. Don't make me get my ipchains! If it doesn't work if I firewall out that server, well, I guess I won't be playing (or buying) Q3.
Ask me and I'll tell you. Take it from me and I'll fight you tooth and nail.
I don't know about anybody else, but I am ALWAYS misplacing my pens.:-)
And if I write for a long time, I get cramps in my hand which are just as painful to me as RSI. I think I'll stick with my Logitech Trackman Marble Wheel. Since I got that here at work my wrists haven't bothered me one bit (except for when I fell on one, but I don't think I can blame that on the trackball).
Real Purty, though.:-) -- I'm omnipotent, I just don't care.
Are Intel processors marked in such a permanent manner, if at all?
Yes, they're etched, too, but that doesn't deterr a motivated overclocker. A little machine shop can peel the top few.001" off and BAM! Just re-etch it.
Some companies were doing this with AMDs, too, IIRC. That was the bigger problem, since AMDs are pretty aggressively clocked at their rated speed.
I don't know if it's still done, but it used to be you could tell a remarked processor with a micrometer (they were about.007" thinner than spec, IIRC).
Started in BASIC, went through an interpereter to C and still had bits of assembler for certian bits. Wow, this code SUCKED.
I didn't have much to do with it, but I did have to emulate some things it was doing in a new Windows system (ewww).
The best part was when I found out that 'S' was a global void *. Depending on the part of the program it was used for a half a dozen different types. The structured programmer in me had spazmotic fits, but I couldn't have the programmer killed cause he was the owner of the company.
Oh, there was also a global 's' which was declared as an int but used as a void *.
Oh well, back to my stupid Access project. How can anyone work in a language without pointers?:-) -- I'm omnipotent, I just don't care.
VB lets managers be programmers, or at least think they are.
I have seen WAY too much VB code written by somebody who wouldn't know a formal design if it was used to build the machine that ripped them limb from limb as they scream appoligies for all the horrible code they've written.
At least with C/C++ there's a cost of admission built into the language. This doesn't mean that there aren't bad C programmers, but, IMHO, seeing code my ex-manager wrote in VB because he THOUGHT he knew what he was doing (It's so easy, even I can do it) makes me want to give into the red rage.
Don't get me wrong, a good VB programmer is a wonderful thing, but difficult to find in the forest of horrible ones. -- I'm omnipotent, I just don't care.
Is that they're going to patent intelligent alien life when they find it! This way they'll hold an exclusive patent on all intelligence in the galaxy and anyone who tries to think will be charged a license fee.
You know, I think it may be time to turn off the RC5 clients and let power savings mode kick in for the first time in months. It all seems so... silly somehow.:-)
Science that isn't open source? What's next? -- I'm omnipotent, I just don't care.
Agreed, if people are passing off notes as their "Original Thought", that is at least very impolite if not downright illegal.
The notes should be branded as such, if nothing else to exhonerate(sp) professors from stupid interpretation errors by the students, but the thoughts and notes of the students are theirs.
I am pleased to see that we have differences. May we together become greater than the sum of both of us. -- Surak of Vulcan, "The Savage Curtain", stardate 5906.4
If it's in a DIRECT QUOTE! If you use my exact words, Yes, they MIGHT have a case.
And my sig is merely asking for a certian kindness that some online authors have chosen NOT to extend to/. posters. I would never actually enforce it and I can assure you that I would grant permission to anyone who asked.
But this is knowledge! If you paraphrased me or even stole my sig you would be WELL within your rights.
Prehaps I'm seeing a distinction that isn't there, but it seems plain enough to me.
But I doubt that there was any of this kind of information contained.
If my professor teaches me Calculus, does he own my knowledge of calculus? If I teach Calc to somebody else, do I need to pay a license fee?
Obviously not, but that seems to be where this is going. Unless somebody has an eidetic memory (which I am not blessed with) notes are required to refresh our memories of what we know. The information is in our heads.
IF the notes were a verbatim copy of everything the professor said, I would believe that they MIGHT have a case, but since it's almost assuredly not I have trouble seeing how this could be found true (in a court kind of situation) and leave us with a country (US assumed) that was even REMOTELY functional.
BTW: Don't print out any copies of this post! Oh... Wait...:-) -- I'm omnipotent, I just don't care.
If they educate me, I own that knowledge, notes and all.
If I speak in a public forum I give away my words to those who hear, I can't claim that I own the words in their heads (unless they're gollems, of course).
Besides, there was a transfer of money (tuition).
Seems rather far-fetched to me. Is there some legal aspect I'm missing? -- I'm omnipotent, I just don't care.
There was another case of this where MSWord didn't count words in footnotes like it should. Some laywers using it wound up turning in a brief that wasn't and they were punished by the court for going over the N word limit.
Overall, is sounds like MS doesn't care about the laywer market. Ironic, eh? -- I'm omnipotent, I just don't care.
No No No! This would've happened regardless of linux users. Hell, the first dvd decoder was dod's speed ripper that came out a week before decss. the platform?
Win32. There has been a big influx of dvd ripped vcd movies which are actually comparable in quality to vhs, so I see why people are making them.
First, a question: Did it actually crack the encryption, the way DeCSS does, or did it grab the output from a normal DVD decoder? Important differences.
B: If true, why is the media making the big hype about the Linux guys who did it? Is this just a case of "Put the word 'Linux' in another article".
3rd: I realize that there is a big market for pirated movies (esp corporate pirates), but in THIS case, it was a bunch of disaffected Linux users. -- I'm omnipotent, I just don't care.
Just a thought, but there are plenty of countries with weak encryption/IP laws where a central server could be located. Tracking down individual clients wouldn't be worth the effort (although I don't think I'd take the risk of running this at work) and as long as the central server stays in a nice legally unencumbered zone...
Of course, a little corporate espionage would probably be easier, but still. -- I'm omnipotent, I just don't care.
So, I'm curious. Do you think they'll learn from this.
If you don't support Linux, there are people who will help to get it for themselves. Then you get things like this. I bet if SOMEBODY had just released a Software DVD player for linux (even a commercial one, binary only) this wouldn't have happened! Hell, I'd STILL pay my $50 to watch a fully enabled DVD under Linux (using Menus and subpictures and everything). Open source would be NICE, but in the end I just want it to work.
Too bad we're going to go to some 2048-bit key now for DVD^2. And I doubt Xing will make the same mistake twice, so somebody will have to brute-force it. I'd help. Run dvddes instead of rc5des? Sure. -- I'm omnipotent, I just don't care.
Just what we need, evidence that (like we all knew) the format would be broken. But you can be sure that the movie producers aren't going to treat this with logic ("Oh, so it can be copied. Big deal, they can do the same thing with video tapes").
No, instead we're going to see a flight from DVDs. Like Star Wars was ever REALLY going to come out. Gotta love the paranoia among the studios that'll be setting in about now.
At least this came out AFTER Divx died, otherwise it would just prolong it's life.
On the upside, if they kill the DVD format for fear of copying, maybe they'll release the specs so I can play the DVDs I do own under Linux with full interactivity! -- I'm omnipotent, I just don't care.
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I didn't see one when I read the article (and I was just about to post it to /. too. :-) )
I just feel they should be sure and point out who is the original aggressor here. DoS attacks are NOT how you deal with this kind of issue, but it doesn't seem like Big Business is going to leave the little guy with any other choices.
Stupid People Strike Again.
The design was fine, the implementation was FUBAR.
The problem with the Gyros is my personal favorite. The gyros are powered by a bunch of wires which spin in a liquid. When the liquid was injected into the current batch of gyros, they used Air.
As we all know, Air contains O2. O2 corrodes. The wires corrode, break off, Gyro stops.
For the new ones, they used Nitrogen so we shouldn't have these problems in the future.
I'll try to dig up the link with this info, but I should be working!
Interestingly, water purification is one of the most process-controlled things in this country. Did you know that there are more metrics preformed on the average gallon of drinking water than on most parts in a Boeing 747?
Strange but true.
I'm not too worried around my area, but that's just cause I know some people who run large hospitals's Plant enginnering departments and they've gone over the water people round here with a fine toothed sledgehammer.
It's not as simple as it sounds, though. Large volumes of purified drinking water is one of the more amazing accomplishments of civilization.
Great... Except...
Who's going to fund them?
They're not doing the "cheaper" part of this by choice. People just don't care when NASA's budget gets cut.
Besides, I'm more interested in the outcome of DS2 from a "smaller, cheaper, better" perspective.
Cmon, most people can't write an OS that doesn't crash under certian circumstances. I find it amazing that ANY space missions work. We're going to shoot your computer 100,000,000 miles away and everything has to function perfectly and you have to plan for EVERY eventuallity. Oh, and we cut your budget by 20% and you contractor is using english measurements (due to some apparent stupidity) and...
I'm impressed that anything works.
Always glad to hear about it when Xf86 and TOG are getting along. Let's hope that nothing else goes wrong in this relationship in the near future...
Anybody got any progress reports on XF86 4.0?
Lay off, guys. No more cough syrup for you all.
:-)
:-(
This is probably the strangest GIS yet. Except perhaps the GIS 3 SP1 episode.
Very amusing, but very... rambling.
"I'm SAILING!" LOL!
Hey, those Voodoo2s are only like $79 with a $30 rebate these days, and you've only got to give in to the evil that is 3dfx. They're still quite decent and they're very well supported. I just wish I didn't have to get one, since I've already got a TNT, but those drivers just don't seem to be going anywhere.
Oh, and congrats on the 200M hit.
Talk about too much free time! Still... Fairly cool, just very, very strange.
Hey, if he'd used one of those huge flatscreens it would have been even cooler!
Still, seems like a waste of a perfectly good 21" monitor. I mean... it's not running X!
Well, yes and no.
/., driven by the community, to get things right all the time?
Slashdot relies on inteligent readers. Too bad the IQ curve around here is about the same as anywhere else.
The New York Times doesn't always get it right. You expect
Personally, I prefer hearing about this kind of thing first and stories like this following it up later. In the end, I'm responsible for my actions and if I act on partial or incorrect facts it's my fault.
/. doesn't have the $$ to be a REAL newspaper with paid reporters and fact checkers, so you've got to take what you get, but keep the salt handy.
Pax.
-Ben
In which way SGI plans to diferentiate within Linux community?
:-)
:-)
I wonder if they need to. Most people coming from some sort of a *NIX background tend to know who SGI is.
They can't compete with Dell without building a serious image as a PC company, but they've already got a great image as a killer graphics company. Stupid financials, but killer graphics.
Even if they just became an Ultra-High-End WS and Linux Software company they could still be very well off (although at a size much smaller than the current company, but I wouldn't trust any job at SGI long right now).
Just some mindless ramblings.
I ask merely for firewall purpouses.
I wonder how much of a competitive advantage this gives ID? REALLY. Think about it. EVERYBODY played Q3Test, almost everyone is playing Q3DemoTest and tons of people will be playing Q3. Doesn't this give them a huge advantage over the Unreal folks when it comes time to do Q4 and they're trying to figure out what hardware to design at?
Really, John. You Foobared. Fix it and move on. If it's connecting to an extra server and it's not in the Docs, it's a Trojan. Don't make me get my ipchains! If it doesn't work if I firewall out that server, well, I guess I won't be playing (or buying) Q3.
Ask me and I'll tell you. Take it from me and I'll fight you tooth and nail.
I don't know about anybody else, but I am ALWAYS misplacing my pens. :-)
:-)
And if I write for a long time, I get cramps in my hand which are just as painful to me as RSI. I think I'll stick with my Logitech Trackman Marble Wheel. Since I got that here at work my wrists haven't bothered me one bit (except for when I fell on one, but I don't think I can blame that on the trackball).
Real Purty, though.
-- I'm omnipotent, I just don't care.
Are Intel processors marked in such a permanent manner, if at all?
.001" off and BAM! Just re-etch it.
.007" thinner than spec, IIRC).
Yes, they're etched, too, but that doesn't deterr a motivated overclocker. A little machine shop can peel the top few
Some companies were doing this with AMDs, too, IIRC. That was the bigger problem, since AMDs are pretty aggressively clocked at their rated speed.
I don't know if it's still done, but it used to be you could tell a remarked processor with a micrometer (they were about
-- I'm omnipotent, I just don't care.
My previous employer had a HUGE Dos system.
:-)
Started in BASIC, went through an interpereter to C and still had bits of assembler for certian bits. Wow, this code SUCKED.
I didn't have much to do with it, but I did have to emulate some things it was doing in a new Windows system (ewww).
The best part was when I found out that 'S' was a global void *. Depending on the part of the program it was used for a half a dozen different types. The structured programmer in me had spazmotic fits, but I couldn't have the programmer killed cause he was the owner of the company.
Oh, there was also a global 's' which was declared as an int but used as a void *.
Oh well, back to my stupid Access project. How can anyone work in a language without pointers?
-- I'm omnipotent, I just don't care.
I respectfully disagree, but only for one reason:
VB lets managers be programmers, or at least think they are.
I have seen WAY too much VB code written by somebody who wouldn't know a formal design if it was used to build the machine that ripped them limb from limb as they scream appoligies for all the horrible code they've written.
At least with C/C++ there's a cost of admission built into the language. This doesn't mean that there aren't bad C programmers, but, IMHO, seeing code my ex-manager wrote in VB because he THOUGHT he knew what he was doing (It's so easy, even I can do it) makes me want to give into the red rage.
Don't get me wrong, a good VB programmer is a wonderful thing, but difficult to find in the forest of horrible ones.
-- I'm omnipotent, I just don't care.
Is that they're going to patent intelligent alien life when they find it! This way they'll hold an exclusive patent on all intelligence in the galaxy and anyone who tries to think will be charged a license fee.
:-)
You know, I think it may be time to turn off the RC5 clients and let power savings mode kick in for the first time in months. It all seems so... silly somehow.
Science that isn't open source? What's next?
-- I'm omnipotent, I just don't care.
Agreed, if people are passing off notes as their "Original Thought", that is at least very impolite if not downright illegal.
The notes should be branded as such, if nothing else to exhonerate(sp) professors from stupid interpretation errors by the students, but the thoughts and notes of the students are theirs.
I am pleased to see that we have differences. May we together become greater than the sum of both of us.
-- Surak of Vulcan, "The Savage Curtain", stardate 5906.4
:-)
-- I'm omnipotent, I just don't care.
If it's in a DIRECT QUOTE! If you use my exact words, Yes, they MIGHT have a case.
/. posters. I would never actually enforce it and I can assure you that I would grant permission to anyone who asked.
:-)
And my sig is merely asking for a certian kindness that some online authors have chosen NOT to extend to
But this is knowledge! If you paraphrased me or even stole my sig you would be WELL within your rights.
Prehaps I'm seeing a distinction that isn't there, but it seems plain enough to me.
Pax
-- I'm omnipotent, I just don't care.
But I doubt that there was any of this kind of information contained.
:-)
If my professor teaches me Calculus, does he own my knowledge of calculus? If I teach Calc to somebody else, do I need to pay a license fee?
Obviously not, but that seems to be where this is going. Unless somebody has an eidetic memory (which I am not blessed with) notes are required to refresh our memories of what we know. The information is in our heads.
IF the notes were a verbatim copy of everything the professor said, I would believe that they MIGHT have a case, but since it's almost assuredly not I have trouble seeing how this could be found true (in a court kind of situation) and leave us with a country (US assumed) that was even REMOTELY functional.
BTW: Don't print out any copies of this post! Oh... Wait...
-- I'm omnipotent, I just don't care.
If they educate me, I own that knowledge, notes and all.
If I speak in a public forum I give away my words to those who hear, I can't claim that I own the words in their heads (unless they're gollems, of course).
Besides, there was a transfer of money (tuition).
Seems rather far-fetched to me. Is there some legal aspect I'm missing?
-- I'm omnipotent, I just don't care.
Can we put together a legal defense fund of some sort? Otherwise any Open Source or Other player for Linux is going to be illegal!
Where do I send my money?!?
-- I'm omnipotent, I just don't care.
There was another case of this where MSWord didn't count words in footnotes like it should. Some laywers using it wound up turning in a brief that wasn't and they were punished by the court for going over the N word limit.
Overall, is sounds like MS doesn't care about the laywer market. Ironic, eh?
-- I'm omnipotent, I just don't care.
First, a question: Did it actually crack the encryption, the way DeCSS does, or did it grab the output from a normal DVD decoder? Important differences.
B: If true, why is the media making the big hype about the Linux guys who did it? Is this just a case of "Put the word 'Linux' in another article".
3rd: I realize that there is a big market for pirated movies (esp corporate pirates), but in THIS case, it was a bunch of disaffected Linux users.
-- I'm omnipotent, I just don't care.
Just a thought, but there are plenty of countries with weak encryption/IP laws where a central server could be located. Tracking down individual clients wouldn't be worth the effort (although I don't think I'd take the risk of running this at work) and as long as the central server stays in a nice legally unencumbered zone...
Of course, a little corporate espionage would probably be easier, but still.
-- I'm omnipotent, I just don't care.
So, I'm curious. Do you think they'll learn from this.
If you don't support Linux, there are people who will help to get it for themselves. Then you get things like this. I bet if SOMEBODY had just released a Software DVD player for linux (even a commercial one, binary only) this wouldn't have happened! Hell, I'd STILL pay my $50 to watch a fully enabled DVD under Linux (using Menus and subpictures and everything). Open source would be NICE, but in the end I just want it to work.
Too bad we're going to go to some 2048-bit key now for DVD^2. And I doubt Xing will make the same mistake twice, so somebody will have to brute-force it. I'd help. Run dvddes instead of rc5des? Sure.
-- I'm omnipotent, I just don't care.
Just what we need, evidence that (like we all knew) the format would be broken. But you can be sure that the movie producers aren't going to treat this with logic ("Oh, so it can be copied. Big deal, they can do the same thing with video tapes").
No, instead we're going to see a flight from DVDs. Like Star Wars was ever REALLY going to come out. Gotta love the paranoia among the studios that'll be setting in about now.
At least this came out AFTER Divx died, otherwise it would just prolong it's life.
On the upside, if they kill the DVD format for fear of copying, maybe they'll release the specs so I can play the DVDs I do own under Linux with full interactivity!
-- I'm omnipotent, I just don't care.