Wonderful, how I come along and provide a straightforward answer to a simple question about AvantGo, and you jump in to flame an opinion no one here has actually expressed, leading into some baseless speculation, closing with a little kiss-ass OSS rah-rah. You get moderated up, and I sit there at 1. Huzzah. Anyone with a blog is now an "Author."
The new BSD userland is actually greatly improved.
Mac OS 10.2 comes with Perl 5.6, Python 2.2, and Ruby 1.6 pre-installed, also screen and ncurses, even before you've put on the developer tools. You have to install the dev tools if you want things like m4. Dev tools take about 1 gigabyte and are well worth installing if you want to code or generally tinker. I am in love with Project Builder and Interface Builder.
Interesting you should find it so, since IE 5 is one of the slowest browsers you can run on X, where we have more browser choices available to us than on any other OS/platform...
In order of speed:
Chimera Mozilla commercial derivatives of Mozilla OmniWeb or iCab (about tied) IE 5 Opera (not the world's fastest here!:-))
This is a neat summary of popular gamer sentiment towards the XBox. Basically, unless you just have to have Halo or JSRF, there are really no exclusive titles that would make you by an XBox.
DOA2 is nearly as good as DOA3. Not as beautiful, but otherwise practically the same game.
Max Payne can be had on almost any platform.
There are any number of pro sports, extreme sports, and racing games on the PS2 or even the GC that are as good or better than their XBox counterparts. Like most people, I just don't see the draw of the XBox. It still doesn't have the titles. GC and PS2 have the games people want, and so far, looking at both the past and the future (i.e. release calendars), there is no reason to expect the XBox to compete in titles. The one with the best and most diverse library wins. You'd have to be seriously in denial to not realize that the PS2 is presently the clear winner, and likely to hold that position.
Actually, Halo was never going to be Mac-exclusive. Bungie intended a cross-platform (Mac/Windows) release before they sold out to Micro$oft. As a Mac fan, the M$ acquisition of Bungie was one of the saddest days in my gaming life.
There are a lot of ergo factors to consider... but I have found I can use the Sony controller for hours without problems (and I have a history of RSI). The Xbox controller has me in tears after 15 minutes, no joke.
Microsoft has done more to enable "industrial terrorism" than any other entity, bar none. The jaw-droppingly enormous security problems in their default OS installations are the number one reason that Windows virii, numbering in the tens of thousands, are so numerous and so destructive compared to any other OS platform. Why do they think making this kind of activity illegal would be better than nipping it in the bud, i.e. by making a decent operating system with improved security? Corporate psychosis is the only plausible explanation.
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>This is not an encouragement to boycott XBox, but i don't think that this sort of thing should be endorsed.
The 200 degrees Fahrenheit figure comes from AMD's own spec sheets on the Athlon, which is apparently rated to run at that temperature. Your mileage may vary.
I've been quite comfortable resting my palm directly on the ventilation surface of a G4 cube. Never tried same with an Athlon. 138 still sounds pretty high to me.
That's very nice, if you happen to live in a DSL lab. I suspect, in another five years, DSL will probably be recognized as dead horse, anyway.
I'd give the big wheel, and myself, more credit for understanding the infrastructure and corporate politics issues than you seem to be willing to give.
Living in Qwest's "service" area for several years and having become closely acquainted with about a dozen highly placed Qwest employees by now, I would judge their corporate culture as sufficiently customer-hostile as to preclude the possibility of broadband access in my neighborhood indefinitely. I have no reason to think that my contacts there are trying to mollify me. You must understand, that this is a company that can't even get POTS right for the majority of its customers, let alone deploy high-speed internet access.
It also doesn't hurt that x86-class microprocessors draw 5-10 times the current of PowerPC microprocessors (causing them to generate a lot more heat).
I have a G3 machine that reads a CPU temperature of 90 degrees Fahrenheit under load. Athlons, I think, are expected to run at or near the boiling point. Big, big difference.
There may be something to what he's saying. I think Dvorak is normally a blowhard, but let me tell you a story.
For the better part of a year, I tried to Qwest (then US West) to either stop sending me ads for DSL or install it in my home. I spoke with many of their representatives, tested my lines online and through their service office, and finally encountered someone very high up in the food chain in their broadband department, who was smart and helpful (if you know Qwest, you know how amazing that is) and went to the trouble of gathering data about my phone lines and making the necessary calculations to determine whether DSL would work in my home, and if so, how well.
This was, in summary, the conversation we had:
"So, thank you very much for going to all this trouble."
"Oh, no problem, you're welcome."
"What did you discover? Can I get DSL at my house?"
"I'm sorry, it's not going to work."
"Does that mean, it won't work now but it will work at some point in the near future?" (Qwest kept our hopes up with slogans about new equipment and plant upgrades. Everyone would have DSL Real Soon Now.)
"Uh, no. I'm sorry. You will never have DSL at your location."
"Never? Never as in 'we have no immediate plans to provide DSL in your area?'"
"No, never as in you will never have DSL, ever, unless you move somewhere else."
"I see. Well, thanks again for your trouble."
The punchline: I live approximately 500 feet too far from the nearest DSL-equipped central office, and the plant in my neighborhood is so old and crappy that Qwest has no plans to do anything but patch it up forever. It's funny, because I get acceptable analog modem connections (48 Kbps most of the time). One would imagine DSL would be no problem here at some point. Yet, a pretty big wheel at Qwest said, "never." DSL may become widespread, but it will never be ubiquitous, even if I am the only exception (which I seriously doubt).
An important difference you neglected to mention is the x86-emulation front-end built into all current x86-class microprocessors.
Yes, they are still superior (at higher clock speeds) to PPC chips for integer performance... but they also dissipate 10 or more times as much current... which generates an incredible amount of heat, and, arguably, wastes a lot of energy.
How fast do you need to do most of the things you do? For desktop use, the machine will usually spend 90 percent of its time idle. It's waiting for you, not the other way around.
"Bang for your buck" is not a simple function of hardware throughput. What the OS does for you, what your apps do for you, whether or not you need two or three fans to keep your CPU from turning into plasma, these are all very relevant factors which influence the choice of a platform. Specific combinations of hardware and software are inevitably going to be more productive for certain tasks. For the arts and humanities, Macs offer some well-integrated technologies and some unique advantages in desktop applications that remain unsurpassed. If you're Jay and you want to hang out and build your OS over and over again, you need an Athlon running Linux or BSD.
No one is forcing you to buy memory from Apple. It's the same stuff that you use in a PC. Buy it somewhere else.
Yes, it really works. I was skeptical at first, too, but there is a lot of solid evidence for it and the results are, well, undeniable.
Of course, you could actually try taking care of your back, too. Frequent breaks and good ergonomics are important.
The self-help route, by the way, is rarely effective, regardless of the details. "Stretching," etc. will often only make matters worse. It is far better to prevent than to treat this problem.
Advanced? Are you kidding? Berlin is stuck on the MVC way of doing things, originally advanced by Smalltalk 30 years ago and subsequently abandoned by Smalltalk's originators in favor of Morphic.
Quartz wasn't even done a year ago. It's pretty impressive, considering it has to support legacy Mac apps, and also undergoes continual improvement.
A lot of free-software geeks have lost their old time religion because of Mac OS X. It's pretty amazing, and deserves more investigation than a year-old Ars Technica article. Would you want people to judge Linux / Berlin / insert-your-favorite-open-source-project-here based on where it was a year ago? I doubt it.
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Wonderful, how I come along and provide a straightforward answer to a simple question about AvantGo, and you jump in to flame an opinion no one here has actually expressed, leading into some baseless speculation, closing with a little kiss-ass OSS rah-rah. You get moderated up, and I sit there at 1. Huzzah. Anyone with a blog is now an "Author."
By the way, bash 2 finally comes pre-installed as well. :-)
Not exactly a heuristic. You can read in-depth about the methods used here:
http://lsa.colorado.edu/
The new BSD userland is actually greatly improved.
Mac OS 10.2 comes with Perl 5.6, Python 2.2, and Ruby 1.6 pre-installed, also screen and ncurses, even before you've put on the developer tools. You have to install the dev tools if you want things like m4. Dev tools take about 1 gigabyte and are well worth installing if you want to code or generally tinker. I am in love with Project Builder and Interface Builder.
AvantGo works fine if you hotsync from Classic. Classic starts up so rapidly now that there is no reason to avoid using it.
Interesting you should find it so, since IE 5 is one of the slowest browsers you can run on X, where we have more browser choices available to us than on any other OS/platform...
:-))
In order of speed:
Chimera
Mozilla
commercial derivatives of Mozilla
OmniWeb or iCab (about tied)
IE 5
Opera (not the world's fastest here!
For one, I've spent hundreds of hours playing PS1 games on my PS2. Embarrassing, but true.
This is a neat summary of popular gamer sentiment towards the XBox. Basically, unless you just have to have Halo or JSRF, there are really no exclusive titles that would make you by an XBox.
DOA2 is nearly as good as DOA3. Not as beautiful, but otherwise practically the same game.
Max Payne can be had on almost any platform.
There are any number of pro sports, extreme sports, and racing games on the PS2 or even the GC that are as good or better than their XBox counterparts. Like most people, I just don't see the draw of the XBox. It still doesn't have the titles. GC and PS2 have the games people want, and so far, looking at both the past and the future (i.e. release calendars), there is no reason to expect the XBox to compete in titles. The one with the best and most diverse library wins. You'd have to be seriously in denial to not realize that the PS2 is presently the clear winner, and likely to hold that position.
Actually, Halo was never going to be Mac-exclusive. Bungie intended a cross-platform (Mac/Windows) release before they sold out to Micro$oft. As a Mac fan, the M$ acquisition of Bungie was one of the saddest days in my gaming life.
There are a lot of ergo factors to consider... but I have found I can use the Sony controller for hours without problems (and I have a history of RSI). The Xbox controller has me in tears after 15 minutes, no joke.
Note that this game was developed on Mac OS, with parallel WIndows development, as were all of Bungie's games before they sold out.
The XBox version is the "port"; MS is just playing keepaway here.
Microsoft has done more to enable "industrial terrorism" than any other entity, bar none. The jaw-droppingly enormous security problems in their default OS installations are the number one reason that Windows virii, numbering in the tens of thousands, are so numerous and so destructive compared to any other OS platform. Why do they think making this kind of activity illegal would be better than nipping it in the bud, i.e. by making a decent operating system with improved security? Corporate psychosis is the only plausible explanation.
>This is not an encouragement to boycott XBox, but i don't think that this sort of thing should be endorsed.
Okay, then. I'll do it. BOYCOTT XBOX. Thank you.
Don't they have humor in Denmark? :-)
Thanks for the straight-faced definition. I'm not totally convinced it's a word, but I have heard this usage before.
I'm sorry, but C is probably the worst language to use to study programming this side of, well, assembler.
Scheme, Python, Smalltalk, Ruby, and the like would all be better choices for that purpose.
The 200 degrees Fahrenheit figure comes from AMD's own spec sheets on the Athlon, which is apparently rated to run at that temperature. Your mileage may vary.
I've been quite comfortable resting my palm directly on the ventilation surface of a G4 cube. Never tried same with an Athlon. 138 still sounds pretty high to me.
That's very nice, if you happen to live in a DSL lab. I suspect, in another five years, DSL will probably be recognized as dead horse, anyway.
I'd give the big wheel, and myself, more credit for understanding the infrastructure and corporate politics issues than you seem to be willing to give.
Living in Qwest's "service" area for several years and having become closely acquainted with about a dozen highly placed Qwest employees by now, I would judge their corporate culture as sufficiently customer-hostile as to preclude the possibility of broadband access in my neighborhood indefinitely. I have no reason to think that my contacts there are trying to mollify me. You must understand, that this is a company that can't even get POTS right for the majority of its customers, let alone deploy high-speed internet access.
It's much easier to troll when one is not completely ignorant of one's subject.
34 dB is quiet?
If the noise floor of your stereo system was 34 dB you'd be howling at the moon. Why put up with this from your computer?
It also doesn't hurt that x86-class microprocessors draw 5-10 times the current of PowerPC microprocessors (causing them to generate a lot more heat).
I have a G3 machine that reads a CPU temperature of 90 degrees Fahrenheit under load. Athlons, I think, are expected to run at or near the boiling point. Big, big difference.
There may be something to what he's saying. I think Dvorak is normally a blowhard, but let me tell you a story.
For the better part of a year, I tried to Qwest (then US West) to either stop sending me ads for DSL or install it in my home. I spoke with many of their representatives, tested my lines online and through their service office, and finally encountered someone very high up in the food chain in their broadband department, who was smart and helpful (if you know Qwest, you know how amazing that is) and went to the trouble of gathering data about my phone lines and making the necessary calculations to determine whether DSL would work in my home, and if so, how well.
This was, in summary, the conversation we had:
"So, thank you very much for going to all this trouble."
"Oh, no problem, you're welcome."
"What did you discover? Can I get DSL at my house?"
"I'm sorry, it's not going to work."
"Does that mean, it won't work now but it will work at some point in the near future?" (Qwest kept our hopes up with slogans about new equipment and plant upgrades. Everyone would have DSL Real Soon Now.)
"Uh, no. I'm sorry. You will never have DSL at your location."
"Never? Never as in 'we have no immediate plans to provide DSL in your area?'"
"No, never as in you will never have DSL, ever, unless you move somewhere else."
"I see. Well, thanks again for your trouble."
The punchline: I live approximately 500 feet too far from the nearest DSL-equipped central office, and the plant in my neighborhood is so old and crappy that Qwest has no plans to do anything but patch it up forever. It's funny, because I get acceptable analog modem connections (48 Kbps most of the time). One would imagine DSL would be no problem here at some point. Yet, a pretty big wheel at Qwest said, "never." DSL may become widespread, but it will never be ubiquitous, even if I am the only exception (which I seriously doubt).
An important difference you neglected to mention is the x86-emulation front-end built into all current x86-class microprocessors.
Yes, they are still superior (at higher clock speeds) to PPC chips for integer performance... but they also dissipate 10 or more times as much current... which generates an incredible amount of heat, and, arguably, wastes a lot of energy.
How fast do you need to do most of the things you do? For desktop use, the machine will usually spend 90 percent of its time idle. It's waiting for you, not the other way around.
"Bang for your buck" is not a simple function of hardware throughput. What the OS does for you, what your apps do for you, whether or not you need two or three fans to keep your CPU from turning into plasma, these are all very relevant factors which influence the choice of a platform. Specific combinations of hardware and software are inevitably going to be more productive for certain tasks. For the arts and humanities, Macs offer some well-integrated technologies and some unique advantages in desktop applications that remain unsurpassed. If you're Jay and you want to hang out and build your OS over and over again, you need an Athlon running Linux or BSD.
No one is forcing you to buy memory from Apple. It's the same stuff that you use in a PC. Buy it somewhere else.
Yes, it really works. I was skeptical at first, too, but there is a lot of solid evidence for it and the results are, well, undeniable.
Of course, you could actually try taking care of your back, too. Frequent breaks and good ergonomics are important.
The self-help route, by the way, is rarely effective, regardless of the details. "Stretching," etc. will often only make matters worse. It is far better to prevent than to treat this problem.
Advanced? Are you kidding? Berlin is stuck on the MVC way of doing things, originally advanced by Smalltalk 30 years ago and subsequently abandoned by Smalltalk's originators in favor of Morphic.
Quartz wasn't even done a year ago. It's pretty impressive, considering it has to support legacy Mac apps, and also undergoes continual improvement.
A lot of free-software geeks have lost their old time religion because of Mac OS X. It's pretty amazing, and deserves more investigation than a year-old Ars Technica article. Would you want people to judge Linux / Berlin / insert-your-favorite-open-source-project-here based on where it was a year ago? I doubt it.
It was the iMac, and you know it. Actual PC boxen with USB ports, sold in stores, was really hard to find for several months after the iMac's debut.
Chipset support and having connectors and devices to connect to them are not one and the same.