And here we are back my original comment. The Linux community has no idea how to take criticism. Who told me to wait for a desktop Linux distro? No one. That doesn't mean that isn't what I'm doing. Quite frankly, I am impatient (after using different Linux distros for more than a decade), and so are many that are forced to remain in the Windows world because of this concept that Linux developers and zealots have. It is not my fault that your distro is not usable for most people on the desktop. I am not the one that decided to create, distibute, and in some cases even market my distro. Yet in your mind it *is* my fault because I don't fix the bugs myself.
My overall point is this. If you want to keep up with the rhetoric about how this isn't a paying job and that you don't have to fix things you don't want to fix, De Raadt will continue to be right. Others may not say it as bluntly, but he speaks the truth. Until you understand that Linux is *necessary* and *must* succeed, and you get out of this puerile mindset of "I'll do what I want, and if you don't like it make your own distro," maybe we can have a computing environment with real competition in it.
Of course, since most issues aren't important enough for the developer to work on - even if it would extend the user base - unless they feel like it, somehow it is the fault of those that think Linux isn't going to be marketable any time soon on the desktop?
I've filed my share of bug reports. I also have worked on developing open source software. The developers of these distros are a large part of the problem. It takes *years* for even minor usability bugs to get fixed because they seem to think it is more important to port over their pet project instead.
Your argument actually negates your argument. Developers are not slaves, that is correct, but the open source variety needs to take a look at the crowds of people waiting for a usable Linux distro. Did Red Hat start making money because they held the course and let their head developers decide that only the things they feel like working on get fixed? No. They moved to a business model that puts the needs of the consumer above the desires of the developers.
Why else do you think a new distro pops up every few days? Is it because the developers of the central distro are being responsive and smart about having a customer base?
No.
There are bugs in the kernel that have been there for not just years but *decades* now. If you want us to pay you, how about doing what you should be doing if you want payed?
We all know the guy is a bit off. Why is it that the Linux community can't listen to criticism, tho?
You talk about usability. The Linux people come out with "just because it isn't like Microsoft doesn't mean it's wrong."
The excuses are rampant in the Linux world. Do I use Linux? Sure. When I can get it running. Even modern distros are kludgey and clunky. Half the time the GUI does nothing but provide useless and cryptic error messages. I have a Win2k print server. I have tried (easily) a dozen distros to get things working. One will see the network. One won't without downgrading Samba. One will, but can't access anything. One sees everything and accesses everything but can't print. Sound is the same way. Some have issues with setting resolutions on the video side, others have other problems.
There are too many distros all in it for themselves. Even the ones that use one of the main distros as their base. Debian, Red Hat, what have you, all are kludgey and unrefined.
I want Linux to work. Desperately want it to get out there and do good. But it isn't going to, especially if every response to criticism is not "okay, let me see if I can work on that" and continues to be "Its better than Crapple and Microshit!"
No one wants another Microsoft Windows, but some friggin' usability isn't going to hurt your cause, and you may even be able to swing it without giving up your anti-Microsoft rhetoric. You can be different and still be intuitive and intelligent.
Good Job! You have explained in just a few sentences why Linux has taken so long to start finally moving forward in the home desktop movement. YOU are why Open Source has failed for the past 4 decades. Thankfully, your breed won't be around much longer - at least that's the trend.
I'm a Debian User, and I avoid the Debian community as much as possible. The "Third party distributors" are the only thing keeping Linux alive. The last thing the OS world needs is a continuation of plumber's crack computer techs that act like users are beneath them. Get over yourself.
As I last noticed, it also doesn't have tight integration on the backend with mail servers.
If you want to recommend a freeware email for people using Outlook, why not pick one that doesn't suck? Like Thunderbird? Or, going the Linux route, Ximian Evolution actually *does* integrate with the backend, of course you have to pay for that part...
On top of everything, your statement just outright makes no sense. Sure, Outlook gets more viruses, but that's a user training\social engineering problem. You light off an infected attachment in pmail or Thunderbird, and it could easily infect your system just as quickly as if it were sent to an Outlook recipient.
Don't blame the software for the idiocy of its userbase.
Putting cost aside, and loyalty to the OSS model aside, MS rules the desktop because of Office. Now, I run OO. I never encounter any problems. When I build a new machine, more often than not, I install OO on it. But good god if you could hear my wife cuss! At work, they use MS Office for everything but email. OO is basolutely NOT able to deal with most of the documents that she gets from work. No matter the version of office, there is *always* some problem. Whether it's a weird formatting thing, or a completely unreadable document, there is always something that isn't right.
But if she makes something in OO, it rarely has a problem going the other way. She opens it at work with no issues.
But I would like to throw some points out there:
1. There *is* a learning curve. OO does thing just differently enough to confuse a long term Office user. 2. There *are* bugs - and we aren't talking about the obscure ones that MS Office tends to have. An example is superscripting and subscripting. My wife was swearing like a sailer over a math document she was preparing because of these issues - admittedly, I have no idea if 1.1 fixed the issue, snce she hasn't had to do a math document for awhile. 3. While with OO, you can search Google or the bugtracker for some answers... The MS Support sight is very good for Office. Office is MS's bread and butter. It isn't perfect - no complex software is, but its pretty damn good. 4. Groan if you want, but what email client do you have with OO? None. All versions of Office come with not just an email software, but one that happens to be a damn good one with an integrated PIM system, and direct server support on the backend. Outlook, altho the largest target for attack, is really nice and full featured. With proper setup, viruses can be very difficult to get - even in Outlook, and with proper user training, it can be almost impossible.
But on the flip, OO has a huge point on its side - it's free. The second biggest thng OO has going for it is that it is constantly evolving and getting better. OO gets exponentially better at every point release. Unlike MSOffice which has gotten more bloated than anything over the years.
I've had mine since before the holidays (actually meant to do a review and never got around to it). Worked perfectly out of the box. My wife and I used it for a cross country trip over the Christmas break, and never had an issue with it. I would put 16 hours as minimum for battery life. It survived on one charge the entire distance from Northern Virginia to Omaha (about 1200 miles, and 18 hours) and still had two bars on the meter left. Obviously - batteries are always a YMMV.
Altho not as small as the iPod, it has a more rugged feel to it. More solid, and less fragile. Plus it doesn't look so friggin' girlie.
Sound is great, but those earbuds *are* crap. The thing puts out enough power to push studio headphones - cheap ones, yes, but still. On good phones it sounds great.
The version of MusicMatch included with it sucks. For those (like myself) that hate reading manuals, it is absolutely horrible. But the Windows Media Player access is logical, so I normally use that.
If you do not have USB 2.0, get it. My initial transfer of about 11GB of songs took overnight. I bought a 2.0 card the next day. Transfers are exponentially faster now. Oh, and I run it through an *unpowered* hub when I use the USB1.x connection, and never had any problems with it being detected.
Over all, I like it. Plus it's well padded with the C note I saved by avoiding Apple.
Ah, so just because I prefer a standardized layout - and I disagree on the "Windows Sucks" portion of your reply since many Linux\Mac apps use the same style of menu setup - I am wrong? *Any* system is not intuitive to an inexperienced user. That simple fact that we have a defacto standard makes your point moot when talking about anyone that has even basic knowledge of a GUI based app.
As for MDI, only an idiot would believe that any specific kind of interface works across the board. MDI sucks in things like a word processor. It doesn't work because it just confuses the user. But MDI is absolutely perfect for an app that has several toolbars that need to be open all the time. What exactly is the reasoning behind having to minimize or move 15 GIMP windows around to do anything other than GIMP while it is running? Graphics programs are a perfect fit for MDI.
As someone who just recently started playing with this stuff, I can say that GIMP is much less intuitive than PS. That is the main problem. Since Photoshop is based on an MDI setup, and the standard menu style of most GUI apps out currently, it is leaps and bounds easier to just jump right into than GIMP.
GIMP is a powerful program, I'll give it that. With the addition of CMYK you can expect some graphics folks that have been waiting to move to jump ship, but it still needs some serious work on the user interface before I expect it will become as main stream as PS or PSP.
I have read this thread, and I have to say it is downright commical. You people don't even know who to blame. You've got the "liberals" yelling about the Bush admin and the Christian Right, and you have the "conservatives" yelling about Polical Correctness and not being able to believe what you want.
Seriously, read this whole thing.
Get this, BOTH of the groups are to blame. The "liberals" teach our children that is wrong to pre-judge, guns are evil, and censorship is *good* if the censored speech is hateful or angry. "Conservatives" tell our kids that drugs are evil, god is where all morality comes from, and anything that doesn't agree should be censored.
Guess what? There isn't a single true Liberal among you! You have just Tree Huggers and God Freaks trying to tell us what to do, regardless of what is allowed by the Constitution and Bill of Rights! Oh, thats another thing - the Bill of Rights, while technically an addendum to the Constitution is NOT the Constitution! The Bill of Rights is where your freedom comes from. The Founding Fathers were specifically vague on what Free Speech covers. They weren't stupid people, you know. Free Speech was obviously meant to mean anything that conveys thought, feelings, and ideas from one person or group of people to another. It is meant to be vague so that ALL speech, no matter the form, no matter the technology, would be protected from idiots like the "speech is just that - speech" group that wants to puff its chest up. That goes for you idiots that think there should be restrictions on hateful or harmful speech, as well.
Speech of any kind is protected because there should never be any government that does not allow the free flow of ideas, no matter what form that expression takes.
And Freedom of Speech? Pah, fuck Freedom of Speech. There are certain situations in which I approve restricted speech. Here in Germany pro-nazi speaking is banned. Saying that Auschwitz never exsisted is a crime here. And if a game's content goes too far, it should be banned.
Your country is exactly why freedom of speech is even more important now than it was back in the days of our founding fathers. I mean, what happened to German that spoke against the Nazis when they came to power...? The Nazis were also famous for burning books, should we build our bon-fires high with anything unpopular, denying the exact reason why we have yet to have a Hitler?
I don't normally throw the Nazi card at Germans, but damn if you didn't just ask for it.
Way up there, someone stated "my network, my rules" or whatever. He's right. But it all depends on what is happening on your network. My sons will both have their own machine at some point. I personally don't care about the porn, the emails, the IMs or any of that stuff until it threatens the welfare of my child. Porn, in and of itself is not necessarily good or bad. What I have always done is to make sure my kids know I am watching them. I don't prevent them from acting, I'm just there to pick them up when they hurt themselves. But I cannot ignore my parental responsibilities to keep them safe. I *will* monitor, and my kids will *know* that. But my only concern with porn is that they look at the good, quality stuff.
My monitoring is solely for the purpose of watching for predators, and making sure my kids don't do anything illegal. Thats it. Other than that, I want them both to understand that no topic is taboo to me. They already know that.
Letting them explore the world is absolutely necessary. Letting them run off and get killed by someone they met in a chatroom is not.
Personally, as much as I hate Real Networks, I think these guys are just being babies. I mean "Oh my god! I have to scroll ALL THE WAY DOWN!?" Oh the HUMANITY!
First off, you completely missed the point. Selfishness is the hallmark of the GenX'ers. By pulling this crap of bitching about it not being her problem, she is showing that exact mentality that she is annoyed with.
Secondly, you also glazed over the point that most GenX'ers didn't even *have* a tech job!
What all of you are complaining about is the fact that you all have idiot friends that did stupid crap during and at the end of the boom.
Stop hanging around idiots!
My friends, all of them GenX'ers were complaining, yes, but only because it took almost 2 months to get a new job. 2 Months? Big whoop. All of them ended up with jobs that were more lucrative and rewarding than the ones we were laid off from. I'm the only one without a job, and thats because I started my own business and I stay home and take care of my two little boys.
The fact of the matter is that I had an issue with the original poster getting up in arms because she has idiots for friends that can't find a job that pays more than they are worth. So much so that she refuses to lump herself into there Generation.
Its a load of hooey.
Also, keep in mind one very large thing. We are all techies here. Most of our friends are also techies. Just because we were all hit by the bust does not mean that we are a good cross section of society. Most of the US economy is in a stable pattern, and most of our generation is doing fine. Sure, we bumped up the jobless rate a percent or two. That doesn't make everyone that was born between 65 and 75 a whiner with no real job skills looking for a fast buck.
What a load of crap your comment is. The recession caused by the dot.com burst effects all of us, whether you want be considered GenX or not. Lets not even get into the fact that the tech industry didn't even utilize a large percentage of the GenX population.
I do this as a hobby. I had the luck of being able to do it for a career for a while. I may still, after raising my kids, get back on the horse and ride that tech bastard around the track a couple more times. I *gladly* lump myself into Gen X. But the most vocal complainers are people like *you* that want to shove all this off as not your problem. A *perfect* example of what the older folks have been saying about our generation.
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And here we are back my original comment. The Linux community has no idea how to take criticism. Who told me to wait for a desktop Linux distro? No one. That doesn't mean that isn't what I'm doing. Quite frankly, I am impatient (after using different Linux distros for more than a decade), and so are many that are forced to remain in the Windows world because of this concept that Linux developers and zealots have. It is not my fault that your distro is not usable for most people on the desktop. I am not the one that decided to create, distibute, and in some cases even market my distro. Yet in your mind it *is* my fault because I don't fix the bugs myself.
My overall point is this. If you want to keep up with the rhetoric about how this isn't a paying job and that you don't have to fix things you don't want to fix, De Raadt will continue to be right. Others may not say it as bluntly, but he speaks the truth. Until you understand that Linux is *necessary* and *must* succeed, and you get out of this puerile mindset of "I'll do what I want, and if you don't like it make your own distro," maybe we can have a computing environment with real competition in it.
Of course, since most issues aren't important enough for the developer to work on - even if it would extend the user base - unless they feel like it, somehow it is the fault of those that think Linux isn't going to be marketable any time soon on the desktop?
I've filed my share of bug reports. I also have worked on developing open source software. The developers of these distros are a large part of the problem. It takes *years* for even minor usability bugs to get fixed because they seem to think it is more important to port over their pet project instead.
Your argument actually negates your argument. Developers are not slaves, that is correct, but the open source variety needs to take a look at the crowds of people waiting for a usable Linux distro. Did Red Hat start making money because they held the course and let their head developers decide that only the things they feel like working on get fixed? No. They moved to a business model that puts the needs of the consumer above the desires of the developers.
Why else do you think a new distro pops up every few days? Is it because the developers of the central distro are being responsive and smart about having a customer base?
No.
There are bugs in the kernel that have been there for not just years but *decades* now. If you want us to pay you, how about doing what you should be doing if you want payed?
We all know the guy is a bit off. Why is it that the Linux community can't listen to criticism, tho?
You talk about usability. The Linux people come out with "just because it isn't like Microsoft doesn't mean it's wrong."
The excuses are rampant in the Linux world. Do I use Linux? Sure. When I can get it running. Even modern distros are kludgey and clunky. Half the time the GUI does nothing but provide useless and cryptic error messages. I have a Win2k print server. I have tried (easily) a dozen distros to get things working. One will see the network. One won't without downgrading Samba. One will, but can't access anything. One sees everything and accesses everything but can't print. Sound is the same way. Some have issues with setting resolutions on the video side, others have other problems.
There are too many distros all in it for themselves. Even the ones that use one of the main distros as their base. Debian, Red Hat, what have you, all are kludgey and unrefined.
I want Linux to work. Desperately want it to get out there and do good. But it isn't going to, especially if every response to criticism is not "okay, let me see if I can work on that" and continues to be "Its better than Crapple and Microshit!"
No one wants another Microsoft Windows, but some friggin' usability isn't going to hurt your cause, and you may even be able to swing it without giving up your anti-Microsoft rhetoric. You can be different and still be intuitive and intelligent.
Good Job! You have explained in just a few sentences why Linux has taken so long to start finally moving forward in the home desktop movement. YOU are why Open Source has failed for the past 4 decades. Thankfully, your breed won't be around much longer - at least that's the trend.
I'm a Debian User, and I avoid the Debian community as much as possible. The "Third party distributors" are the only thing keeping Linux alive. The last thing the OS world needs is a continuation of plumber's crack computer techs that act like users are beneath them. Get over yourself.
As I last noticed, it also doesn't have tight integration on the backend with mail servers.
If you want to recommend a freeware email for people using Outlook, why not pick one that doesn't suck? Like Thunderbird? Or, going the Linux route, Ximian Evolution actually *does* integrate with the backend, of course you have to pay for that part...
On top of everything, your statement just outright makes no sense. Sure, Outlook gets more viruses, but that's a user training\social engineering problem. You light off an infected attachment in pmail or Thunderbird, and it could easily infect your system just as quickly as if it were sent to an Outlook recipient.
Don't blame the software for the idiocy of its userbase.
Putting cost aside, and loyalty to the OSS model aside, MS rules the desktop because of Office. Now, I run OO. I never encounter any problems. When I build a new machine, more often than not, I install OO on it. But good god if you could hear my wife cuss! At work, they use MS Office for everything but email. OO is basolutely NOT able to deal with most of the documents that she gets from work. No matter the version of office, there is *always* some problem. Whether it's a weird formatting thing, or a completely unreadable document, there is always something that isn't right.
But if she makes something in OO, it rarely has a problem going the other way. She opens it at work with no issues.
But I would like to throw some points out there:
1. There *is* a learning curve. OO does thing just differently enough to confuse a long term Office user.
2. There *are* bugs - and we aren't talking about the obscure ones that MS Office tends to have. An example is superscripting and subscripting. My wife was swearing like a sailer over a math document she was preparing because of these issues - admittedly, I have no idea if 1.1 fixed the issue, snce she hasn't had to do a math document for awhile.
3. While with OO, you can search Google or the bugtracker for some answers... The MS Support sight is very good for Office. Office is MS's bread and butter. It isn't perfect - no complex software is, but its pretty damn good.
4. Groan if you want, but what email client do you have with OO? None. All versions of Office come with not just an email software, but one that happens to be a damn good one with an integrated PIM system, and direct server support on the backend. Outlook, altho the largest target for attack, is really nice and full featured. With proper setup, viruses can be very difficult to get - even in Outlook, and with proper user training, it can be almost impossible.
But on the flip, OO has a huge point on its side - it's free. The second biggest thng OO has going for it is that it is constantly evolving and getting better. OO gets exponentially better at every point release. Unlike MSOffice which has gotten more bloated than anything over the years.
I've had mine since before the holidays (actually meant to do a review and never got around to it). Worked perfectly out of the box. My wife and I used it for a cross country trip over the Christmas break, and never had an issue with it. I would put 16 hours as minimum for battery life. It survived on one charge the entire distance from Northern Virginia to Omaha (about 1200 miles, and 18 hours) and still had two bars on the meter left. Obviously - batteries are always a YMMV.
Altho not as small as the iPod, it has a more rugged feel to it. More solid, and less fragile. Plus it doesn't look so friggin' girlie.
Sound is great, but those earbuds *are* crap. The thing puts out enough power to push studio headphones - cheap ones, yes, but still. On good phones it sounds great.
The version of MusicMatch included with it sucks. For those (like myself) that hate reading manuals, it is absolutely horrible. But the Windows Media Player access is logical, so I normally use that.
If you do not have USB 2.0, get it. My initial transfer of about 11GB of songs took overnight. I bought a 2.0 card the next day. Transfers are exponentially faster now. Oh, and I run it through an *unpowered* hub when I use the USB1.x connection, and never had any problems with it being detected.
Over all, I like it. Plus it's well padded with the C note I saved by avoiding Apple.
Ah, so just because I prefer a standardized layout - and I disagree on the "Windows Sucks" portion of your reply since many Linux\Mac apps use the same style of menu setup - I am wrong? *Any* system is not intuitive to an inexperienced user. That simple fact that we have a defacto standard makes your point moot when talking about anyone that has even basic knowledge of a GUI based app.
As for MDI, only an idiot would believe that any specific kind of interface works across the board. MDI sucks in things like a word processor. It doesn't work because it just confuses the user. But MDI is absolutely perfect for an app that has several toolbars that need to be open all the time. What exactly is the reasoning behind having to minimize or move 15 GIMP windows around to do anything other than GIMP while it is running? Graphics programs are a perfect fit for MDI.
As someone who just recently started playing with this stuff, I can say that GIMP is much less intuitive than PS. That is the main problem. Since Photoshop is based on an MDI setup, and the standard menu style of most GUI apps out currently, it is leaps and bounds easier to just jump right into than GIMP.
GIMP is a powerful program, I'll give it that. With the addition of CMYK you can expect some graphics folks that have been waiting to move to jump ship, but it still needs some serious work on the user interface before I expect it will become as main stream as PS or PSP.
I have read this thread, and I have to say it is downright commical. You people don't even know who to blame. You've got the "liberals" yelling about the Bush admin and the Christian Right, and you have the "conservatives" yelling about Polical Correctness and not being able to believe what you want.
Seriously, read this whole thing.
Get this, BOTH of the groups are to blame. The "liberals" teach our children that is wrong to pre-judge, guns are evil, and censorship is *good* if the censored speech is hateful or angry. "Conservatives" tell our kids that drugs are evil, god is where all morality comes from, and anything that doesn't agree should be censored.
Guess what? There isn't a single true Liberal among you! You have just Tree Huggers and God Freaks trying to tell us what to do, regardless of what is allowed by the Constitution and Bill of Rights! Oh, thats another thing - the Bill of Rights, while technically an addendum to the Constitution is NOT the Constitution! The Bill of Rights is where your freedom comes from. The Founding Fathers were specifically vague on what Free Speech covers. They weren't stupid people, you know. Free Speech was obviously meant to mean anything that conveys thought, feelings, and ideas from one person or group of people to another. It is meant to be vague so that ALL speech, no matter the form, no matter the technology, would be protected from idiots like the "speech is just that - speech" group that wants to puff its chest up. That goes for you idiots that think there should be restrictions on hateful or harmful speech, as well.
Speech of any kind is protected because there should never be any government that does not allow the free flow of ideas, no matter what form that expression takes.
And Freedom of Speech? Pah, fuck Freedom of Speech. There are certain situations in which I approve restricted speech. Here in Germany pro-nazi speaking is banned. Saying that Auschwitz never exsisted is a crime here.
And if a game's content goes too far, it should be banned.
Your country is exactly why freedom of speech is even more important now than it was back in the days of our founding fathers. I mean, what happened to German that spoke against the Nazis when they came to power...? The Nazis were also famous for burning books, should we build our bon-fires high with anything unpopular, denying the exact reason why we have yet to have a Hitler?
I don't normally throw the Nazi card at Germans, but damn if you didn't just ask for it.
Way up there, someone stated "my network, my rules" or whatever. He's right. But it all depends on what is happening on your network. My sons will both have their own machine at some point. I personally don't care about the porn, the emails, the IMs or any of that stuff until it threatens the welfare of my child. Porn, in and of itself is not necessarily good or bad. What I have always done is to make sure my kids know I am watching them. I don't prevent them from acting, I'm just there to pick them up when they hurt themselves. But I cannot ignore my parental responsibilities to keep them safe. I *will* monitor, and my kids will *know* that. But my only concern with porn is that they look at the good, quality stuff.
My monitoring is solely for the purpose of watching for predators, and making sure my kids don't do anything illegal. Thats it. Other than that, I want them both to understand that no topic is taboo to me. They already know that.
Letting them explore the world is absolutely necessary. Letting them run off and get killed by someone they met in a chatroom is not.
Why are you putting Linux on an X-Box? Seriously, I don't get it. What is so important about taking a MICROSOFT product and putting Linux on it?
Hell, you can buy a better computer for a tiny bit more. What is the point?
Once the new pricing hits stores (if it ever does) make sure to support this move by buying those pretty spinning discs of love.
Of course, I imagine it just means that most retailers will leave prices as is, and just raise their profit margin on CDs.
Personally, as much as I hate Real Networks, I think these guys are just being babies. I mean "Oh my god! I have to scroll ALL THE WAY DOWN!?" Oh the HUMANITY!
First off, you completely missed the point. Selfishness is the hallmark of the GenX'ers. By pulling this crap of bitching about it not being her problem, she is showing that exact mentality that she is annoyed with.
Secondly, you also glazed over the point that most GenX'ers didn't even *have* a tech job!
What all of you are complaining about is the fact that you all have idiot friends that did stupid crap during and at the end of the boom.
Stop hanging around idiots!
My friends, all of them GenX'ers were complaining, yes, but only because it took almost 2 months to get a new job. 2 Months? Big whoop. All of them ended up with jobs that were more lucrative and rewarding than the ones we were laid off from. I'm the only one without a job, and thats because I started my own business and I stay home and take care of my two little boys.
The fact of the matter is that I had an issue with the original poster getting up in arms because she has idiots for friends that can't find a job that pays more than they are worth. So much so that she refuses to lump herself into there Generation.
Its a load of hooey.
Also, keep in mind one very large thing. We are all techies here. Most of our friends are also techies. Just because we were all hit by the bust does not mean that we are a good cross section of society. Most of the US economy is in a stable pattern, and most of our generation is doing fine. Sure, we bumped up the jobless rate a percent or two. That doesn't make everyone that was born between 65 and 75 a whiner with no real job skills looking for a fast buck.
The Tech World needs to get over itself.
What a load of crap your comment is. The recession caused by the dot.com burst effects all of us, whether you want be considered GenX or not. Lets not even get into the fact that the tech industry didn't even utilize a large percentage of the GenX population.
I do this as a hobby. I had the luck of being able to do it for a career for a while. I may still, after raising my kids, get back on the horse and ride that tech bastard around the track a couple more times. I *gladly* lump myself into Gen X. But the most vocal complainers are people like *you* that want to shove all this off as not your problem. A *perfect* example of what the older folks have been saying about our generation.