SCO Germany must pay 10,000 euro order money. Basis for the decision of the regional court Munich I is a provisional order of the enterprise Tarent and the LinuxTags against SCO. thereafter may not the enterprise not maintain, of Linux contains illegitimately acquired mental property of SCO. against it is to SCO on its homepage to have offended, why Tarent had requested an order procedure in June.
The court accuses negligent behavior "according to a report of the Tarent GmbH SCO" with the enterprise of its firm homepage . There the statement is to have read be also after the provisional order that "final users, who use the software Linux for protection injuries of the mental property can be made liable by SCO".
Tarent lawyer Till hunter sees itself confirmed in the decision of the court that the statements of SCO as "substantial business-damaging expressions" are to be regarded, which concern a "extremely sensitive range". With unproven statements at expense third a business with the fear one make. With SCO Germany to time anybody for a statement cannot be attained; _ to request on a procedure stress Hans Bavarian, Managing director of SCO Germany, already beginning June opposite c't: "our intention was to hold back us conformal." The offence against the provisional order did not happen deliberately.
It's perfectly possible to run just linux as a router and only use the kernel.
Hmmm, I'm certainly not a Linux guru, but with no shell support how do you control it or shut it down? Something tells me it's not possible to run a system with just a kernel (-how you bootstrap with no-bootloader app?)
Your attempt at imitating a Indian speaker is funny, but not the way you think. The broken pseudo-english you came up with might sound right from someone in the middle east, for whom English is a second language - but educated Indians speak the Queens English very well (better than you probably do) - and those verbal and written communication skills are another reason beyond cost and technical prowess why Indian programmers are sought after as the leading offshore alternative.
Here in the US, the educational system needs to take literacy much more seriously if US coders are not to become the $10 programmers of tomorrow.
Before everybody charges off an suggests their favourite non-commercial distro, please note he expects to need Oracle support("Also, we don't have Oracle on any of these systems, but we will need it in the future"). And yes I know that al sorts of 3rd parties will do this is on non RH/Suse distros, but the point is that Larry Ellison's guys won't. So please address his problem constructively (eg. How to get RH to charge less, or Oracle to be less support restrictive).
I wish I had an easy answer to this but I can say that this is one of the culture clashes that occur between the OpenS and big-time commercial software companies who want a very tightly controlled and limited environment (HD and software) to support massively complex solutions.
While people moan about all the architectural defects of the x86 instruction set, they don't want the disruption that recode and recompile requires for the state of the art to evolve to a new architecture.
Itanium's EPIC (explicitly parallel instruction computing) which requires development tools to stage external instruction organization is a radical departure conventional CISC/RICC deisgn and generates performance that consistantly exceeds vitually all RISC processors. (Check the actual benchmarks and you won't wonder why Apple didn't bench the G5 against HP's zx6000 dual Itanium workstation with the new 6Mb Madison cores)
If would be nice if the people who want an new paradigm had a talk with the lazy folks who want to continue to use the same damn binaries forever -maybe Itanium would get a fairer shake then.
You've surely noted that others are indirectly jumping on the Linux FUD wind blowing out of SCO.
Sun's McNealy, for one, has been insinuating that Linux is a risky proposition (compared to the clearly legally-unencumbered Solaris UNIX which Sun owns outright). At first, this just seemed like slams against IBM (the old: my UNIX is better than your flawed UNIX), but Sun's AIX attacks seem to have given way to suggestions that Linux and Linux users are endangered by the SCO situation.
Have Slashdotters and the Linux community generally given Sun a free ride on this and who else do you think have been shameless opportunists here? Who else deserves some of the vilification that SCO is getting?
...He can always sit in the Soyuz (not set foot on/in/onto(?)) the Station until it's time to go home. Oh, wait, THAT Soyuz will stay docked to the Station for six months...
Your astute observation that "...but it isn't going to beat custom hardware of the same generation..." (my italics) refutes your argument if you know what the state of dedicated HW vs off-the-shelf is right now.
In order to keep their BOM (bill of materials) parts cost down, vendors like Cisco put JUST ENOUGH processor, ram etc into those dedicated appliances to run highly optimized stacks like IOS effectively within the Quality of Service guaranteed by the specs.. Which often results in CPU/RAM combinations in the Cisco box that have NOWHERE near the raw throughput of a commodity modern cheapo consumer PC system.
So, your point about generations is right on - the reality is that a $500 PC might have many times the raw performance of that multi-thousand$ highly optimized network appliance device which is usually (for cost -and design continuity and other reasons) coasting on much older generations of hardware - because it doesn't NEED to be faster. And it often has expensive, specialized ASICs and network processors to make keeping pace with current generic CPUs even less necessary. By comparison, cheap PC can run a generic kernel and stack, lose a LOT to inefficiency and still potentially outperform the dedicated appliance. ( I have no doubt that if Cisco built all their appliances with 3GHz cpus with 1/2 gig of RAM, with all the other advantages they have there would be no comparison - but they generally don't)
So the question is, what's the cost benefit comparison between efficient/proprietary/expensive/dedicated and inefficient/generic-high-throughput/cheapPC systems, if the PC can perform well enough?
Cost effectiveness comes down to cases, but it is not, I suggest, a slam-dunk for the Cisco and other specialized boxes.
Got the joke - I was just explaining why it wasn't funny. It's only funny if there was some truth to the belief that Itanium hasn't been widely deployed. Instead the joke depends on pandering to a popular misconception.
Agilent Technologies ChevronTexaco Cornell University DreamWorks Johns Hopkins University Liberty Medical National Crash Analysis Ctr. NCSA PNNL Rice University Sony Pictures ImageWorks Wells Fargo VeriSign, Inc. Airbus British Petroleum CERN Daimler-Chrysler Daresbury Laboratory Erickson Utvecklings AB HLRS Philips Semiconductor Preussag SecFinex Triaton Univer sity of Oslo VTG-Lehnkering AG Bio-Informatics Institute Fujitsu ISOTEC, Ltd. Ibaraki Hitachi Information Service Co., Ltd. MarketBoomer Mazda Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Mitsui Chemicals Okazaki National Research Institute Singapore-MIT Alliance Subaru Research Toyota Autobody Corp. (nad lots of others....)
Probably the worst environment in the world I can think of is a veteranary clinic.
Back in the days when LANtastic on DOS was a great small business network solution, our shop had a 286 server come that had suddenly halted dead in it's tracks (and it wasn't the power supply)
When the service manager opened it up, the main open cavity was filled with one massive dustbunny (about 8"W x 10"H x 3"deep). Convinced we had horrible thermal problem that stopped the the cpu (or memory or anything), the unit was vaccummed out and restarted - system came up though BIOS but the massive 40Mb drive would not read - though it was recognized and there. Since the last backup wasn't perfect, we really wanted to get the drive back so it was removed and inspected. When cabled up externally the vibration was funny - the drive was not spinning! Close inspection showed that a very fine horsehair had wound itself around the main bearing until it was so tight it STOPPED the spindle. Fine twiser work pulled off the hair and the drive ran fine (excepting of course, the expected some loose clusters and other drive issues with open files and the sudden shutdown).
Can't really understand why he was modded down -unless the rater was peeved that he hadn't heard the information himself?
I think it's an astute obsvervation that Slashdot sometimes reacts to online-press stories generated by official press releases about technology that everyone (or anybody who really cared) already knew about. If the reaction and discussion was to do with a company going public about old news, that would be fine, but folks that post about ancient history shouldn't delude themselves into thinking if it's on Slashdot, something technical just happened.
You said: AMD would be a likely partner is such a move since one could imagine the problems with Intel assisting Apple with this.
I believe this is not at all true... Note that
1) Jobs and Andy Grove are old buddies
2) Jobs addressed the Intel Sales Convention this year and got a standing ovation
3) Pixar just bought a ton of Intel Xeon-based servers for rendering (not Apple or IBM or AMD)
Watch for MORE Intel/Apple projects not less... coming from here...
...but not necessarily because of the Open Source cost advantages. If I were in purchasing for any state, national govt (or corp) for that matter, I would get mgmt to talk loud and publically about how we're considering Open Source. Even if I had no real intention to use it. Why? Anyone who tells you that Microsoft licence prices AREN'T negotiable is ill-informed or naive...
SuperDug says "Looks like yet another case of AMD being one-up on Intel."(on cache size)
Really. Centrino has a 1MB L2 cache - since the Barton core just caught up to the P4 Northwood with 512k and the new AMD mobile cpus aer based on Barton, I'd say that makes the AMD chips HALF cache size of Centrino. Why don't you try reading the specs before you make comparisons?
... Dont let your choice of wireless transport dictate the method and depth of the security (best is large key VPN). Some users will want to use open (unencrypted) traffic. Don't hold up the deployment of the wireless infrastructure waiting for things that should be a part of the node's app stack.
... ENOUGH of something can make it everything. Once we start getting 1+GHz deltas between AMD and P4 in actual clock rates, that HAS to have an effect.
I guess the plus means that on a good day it's faster, or that like a fine wine, the cpus gets quicker in your box with age... PR ratings are a marketing vehicle...
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SCO Germany must pay 10,000 euro order money. Basis for the decision of the regional court Munich I is a provisional order of the enterprise Tarent and the LinuxTags against SCO. thereafter may not the enterprise not maintain, of Linux contains illegitimately acquired mental property of SCO. against it is to SCO on its homepage to have offended, why Tarent had requested an order procedure in June
The court accuses negligent behavior "according to a report of the Tarent GmbH SCO" with the enterprise of its firm homepage . There the statement is to have read be also after the provisional order that "final users, who use the software Linux for protection injuries of the mental property can be made liable by SCO".
Tarent lawyer Till hunter sees itself confirmed in the decision of the court that the statements of SCO as "substantial business-damaging expressions" are to be regarded, which concern a "extremely sensitive range". With unproven statements at expense third a business with the fear one make. With SCO Germany to time anybody for a statement cannot be attained; _ to request on a procedure stress Hans Bavarian, Managing director of SCO Germany, already beginning June opposite c't: "our intention was to hold back us conformal." The offence against the provisional order did not happen deliberately.
It's perfectly possible to run just linux as a router and only use the kernel.
Hmmm, I'm certainly not a Linux guru, but with no shell support how do you control it or shut it down?
Something tells me it's not possible to run a system with just a kernel (-how you bootstrap with no-bootloader app?)
Your attempt at imitating a Indian speaker is funny, but not the way you think. The broken pseudo-english you came up with might sound right from someone in the middle east, for whom English is a second language - but educated Indians speak the Queens English very well (better than you probably do) - and those verbal and written communication skills are another reason beyond cost and technical prowess why Indian programmers are sought after as the leading offshore alternative.
Here in the US, the educational system needs to take literacy much more seriously if US coders are not to become the $10 programmers of tomorrow.
Before everybody charges off an suggests their favourite non-commercial distro, please note he expects to need Oracle support("Also, we don't have Oracle on any of these systems, but we will need it in the future"). And yes I know that al sorts of 3rd parties will do this is on non RH/Suse distros, but the point is that Larry Ellison's guys won't. So please address his problem constructively (eg. How to get RH to charge less, or Oracle to be less support restrictive).
I wish I had an easy answer to this but I can say that this is one of the culture clashes that occur between the OpenS and big-time commercial software companies who want a very tightly controlled and limited environment (HD and software) to support massively complex solutions.
not Free Beer that Sun gives away.
While people moan about all the architectural defects of the x86 instruction set, they don't want the disruption that recode and recompile requires for the state of the art to evolve to a new architecture.
Itanium's EPIC (explicitly parallel instruction computing) which requires development tools to stage external instruction organization is a radical departure conventional CISC/RICC deisgn and generates performance that consistantly exceeds vitually all RISC processors.
(Check the actual benchmarks and you won't wonder why Apple didn't bench the G5 against HP's zx6000 dual Itanium workstation with the new 6Mb Madison cores)
If would be nice if the people who want an new paradigm had a talk with the lazy folks who want to continue to use the same damn binaries forever -maybe Itanium would get a fairer shake then.
Bruce:
You've surely noted that others are indirectly jumping on the Linux FUD wind blowing out of SCO.
Sun's McNealy, for one, has been insinuating that Linux is a risky proposition (compared to the clearly legally-unencumbered Solaris UNIX which Sun owns outright). At first, this just seemed like slams against IBM (the old: my UNIX is better than your flawed UNIX), but Sun's AIX attacks seem to have given way to suggestions that Linux and Linux users are endangered by the SCO situation.
Have Slashdotters and the Linux community generally given Sun a free ride on this and who else do you think have been shameless opportunists here? Who else deserves some of the vilification that SCO is getting?
...He can always sit in the Soyuz (not set foot on/in/onto(?)) the Station until it's time to go home. Oh, wait, THAT Soyuz will stay docked to the Station for six months...
He/She will be the first orbital hermit.
Why else - it was a perfectly valid comment.
Disturbing moderation here...
..something that Intel was championing and AMD/IBM were saying was not the way to go (Silicon on Insulator being the right direction).
Now looks like AMD is going BOTH ways...
For that matter, do the Mac vers go away too?
Your astute observation that "...but it isn't going to beat custom hardware of the same generation..." (my italics) refutes your argument if you know what the state of dedicated HW vs off-the-shelf is right now.
In order to keep their BOM (bill of materials) parts cost down, vendors like Cisco put JUST ENOUGH processor, ram etc into those dedicated appliances to run highly optimized stacks like IOS effectively within the Quality of Service guaranteed by the specs.. Which often results in CPU/RAM combinations in the Cisco box that have NOWHERE near the raw throughput of a commodity modern cheapo consumer PC system.
So, your point about generations is right on - the reality is that a $500 PC might have many times the raw performance of that multi-thousand$ highly optimized network appliance device which is usually (for cost -and design continuity and other reasons) coasting on much older generations of hardware - because it doesn't NEED to be faster. And it often has expensive, specialized ASICs and network processors to make keeping pace with current generic CPUs even less necessary. By comparison, cheap PC can run a generic kernel and stack, lose a LOT to inefficiency and still potentially outperform the dedicated appliance. ( I have no doubt that if Cisco built all their appliances with 3GHz cpus with 1/2 gig of RAM, with all the other advantages they have there would be no comparison - but they generally don't)
So the question is, what's the cost benefit comparison between efficient/proprietary/expensive/dedicated and inefficient/generic-high-throughput/cheapPC systems, if the PC can perform well enough?
Cost effectiveness comes down to cases, but it is not, I suggest, a slam-dunk for the Cisco and other specialized boxes.
From secret SCO documents:
Lawyers using advnaced pattern matching software have found that the ENTIRE LINE:
"main() {"
occurs in both SCO UNIX 'source code' and Linux 'kernel' 'source code' numerous times.
Coincidence? SCO thinks not...
Got the joke - I was just explaining why it wasn't funny. It's only funny if there was some truth to the belief that Itanium hasn't been widely deployed. Instead the joke depends on pandering to a popular misconception.
Agilent Technologiesr sity of Oslo
ChevronTexaco
Cornell University
DreamWorks
Johns Hopkins University
Liberty Medical
National Crash Analysis Ctr.
NCSA
PNNL
Rice University
Sony Pictures ImageWorks
Wells Fargo
VeriSign, Inc.
Airbus
British Petroleum
CERN
Daimler-Chrysler
Daresbury Laboratory
Erickson Utvecklings AB
HLRS
Philips Semiconductor
Preussag
SecFinex
Triaton
Unive
VTG-Lehnkering AG
Bio-Informatics Institute
Fujitsu ISOTEC, Ltd.
Ibaraki Hitachi Information Service Co., Ltd.
MarketBoomer
Mazda
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries
Mitsui Chemicals
Okazaki National Research Institute
Singapore-MIT Alliance
Subaru Research
Toyota Autobody Corp.
(nad lots of others....)
(As above)
Probably the worst environment in the world I can think of is a veteranary clinic.
Back in the days when LANtastic on DOS was a great small business network solution, our shop had a 286 server come that had suddenly halted dead in it's tracks (and it wasn't the power supply)
When the service manager opened it up, the main open cavity was filled with one massive dustbunny (about 8"W x 10"H x 3"deep). Convinced we had horrible thermal problem that stopped the the cpu (or memory or anything), the unit was vaccummed out and restarted - system came up though BIOS but the massive 40Mb drive would not read - though it was recognized and there. Since the last backup wasn't perfect, we really wanted to get the drive back so it was removed and inspected. When cabled up externally the vibration was funny - the drive was not spinning!
Close inspection showed that a very fine horsehair had wound itself around the main bearing until it was so tight it STOPPED the spindle. Fine twiser work pulled off the hair and the drive ran fine (excepting of course, the expected some loose clusters and other drive issues with open files and the sudden shutdown).
Can't really understand why he was modded down -unless the rater was peeved that he hadn't heard the information himself?
I think it's an astute obsvervation that Slashdot sometimes reacts to online-press stories generated by official press releases about technology that everyone (or anybody who really cared) already knew about. If the reaction and discussion was to do with a company going public about old news, that would be fine, but folks that post about ancient history shouldn't delude themselves into thinking if it's on Slashdot, something technical just happened.
You said: AMD would be a likely partner is such a move since one could imagine the problems with Intel assisting Apple with this.
I believe this is not at all true... Note that
1) Jobs and Andy Grove are old buddies
2) Jobs addressed the Intel Sales Convention this year and got a standing ovation
3) Pixar just bought a ton of Intel Xeon-based servers for rendering (not Apple or IBM or AMD)
Watch for MORE Intel/Apple projects not less... coming from here...
...but not necessarily because of the Open Source cost advantages. If I were in purchasing for any state, national govt (or corp) for that matter, I would get mgmt to talk loud and publically about how we're considering Open Source. Even if I had no real intention to use it. Why? Anyone who tells you that Microsoft licence prices AREN'T negotiable is ill-informed or naive...
SuperDug says "Looks like yet another case of AMD being one-up on Intel."(on cache size)
Really. Centrino has a 1MB L2 cache - since the Barton core just caught up to the P4 Northwood with 512k and the new AMD mobile cpus aer based on Barton, I'd say that makes the AMD chips HALF cache size of Centrino. Why don't you try reading the specs before you make comparisons?
... Dont let your choice of wireless transport dictate the method and depth of the security (best is large key VPN). Some users will want to use open (unencrypted) traffic. Don't hold up the deployment of the wireless infrastructure waiting for things that should be a part of the node's app stack.
Read the specs...
... ENOUGH of something can make it everything. Once we start getting 1+GHz deltas between AMD and P4 in actual clock rates, that HAS to have an effect.
I guess the plus means that on a good day it's faster, or that like a fine wine, the cpus gets quicker in your box with age...
PR ratings are a marketing vehicle...