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AMD Releases 12 New Chips at CeBIT
SuperDuG writes "AMD now offers three categories of processor for notebooks grouped under the Athlon XP-M brand. It labels them "desktop replacement," "standard," and the new "low-voltage". AMD plans to make a desktop replacement in the notebook computer market using the Barton Core, a technology designed to double the CPU Cache. Looks like yet another case of AMD being one-up on Intel."
Rumor has it that AMD intends to begin advertising a dual-purpose "egg frying" processor shortly.
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...but can these chips be used for Poker?
evil adrian
What about the Centrino processors released last night? 1.6GHz performing equal to that of a 2.6GHz P4? AMD is way behind in the Mobile race. Does anyone know what voltage the XP-M even runs on?
Kristopher
AMD isn't "one up" on Intel until these chips are benchmarked and compared side by side with offerings from Intel. Until then, "low-voltage" is just as nonsensical as "centrino".
I thought they weren't going to concentrate on PC processors anymore?
Xtra Power! More power = better.
It would be interesting to see how the low-voltage Athlon XP-M processors compare to the vaunted Centrinos. Seems to be shaping up to be an interesting battle. Still, the categorization is a good move for AMD, I think -- it's a much more intuitive naming convention than the confusion that's doubtless going to be caused by Intel's Pentium 4M/Pentium M/Centrino names.
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I want 16cpu MB with 8MB cache per chip damnit!
half a year ago and prior to that id give AMD the advantage over Intel for their chips (except for the deceptivity of 2100+ chips being 1.73 Ghz).... even accepting their tendancy to overheat.
but lately Intel has been steadily ahead with clock cycles that even AMD's "2800+" marketing cant compete with.
luckily Intel has had a Looooooooonnnnnnnggggg track record of power hungry chips which i suppose allows AMD to give more muscle for less juice in laptops....
but to say this is "yet another case of AMD one upping intel" is a bit too much.
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Not to be too much of a pessimist but lets face it. The mobile market is dominated by Intel. I would love to buy an AMD based laptop when it comes time to replace my current trusty Dell 8100 but Who will make the laptops with these processors? Certainly not Dell, HP, IBM or the likes of any Tier 1 supplier that wants to keep on receiving their share of the Intel Processor Yields.
When I went looking to replace my old laptop a year & a half ago there was not a single tier 1 hardware maker that would dare put out an AMD based laptop in the market in fears that they might make mad the bear that Intel is.
Until the industry stands up to Intel in the same way that they need to stand up against M$ this will continue to be the case.
Simple enough to ask (This is a serious question) What if any current Tier 1 hardware manufacturer sells any Athlon based system for "Office" use? What about "Home" use. I dare say that the Home is the only one likely to have an answer. Are laptops devices mainly used in an "Office" or a "Home" environment? (Meaning you don't buy your kids a laptop to do their homework on, but you do have a laptop to "extend" your office to outside your place of work.).
Gato
First of all, thanks for the helpful links to AMD's and Intel's websites.
Second of all, Intel has been "one up" on AMD for quite some time now, being at least a couple of months ahead in terms of performance (3.06Ghz with HyperThreading is out now and available to buy). As always, it's great to see that AMD is hanging in there, but there's no need to toot their horn no matter how they're actually doing.
Forget Barton Core, I want to get hardcore with their Grand Prix Models ;-)
If AMD plans to bring it's desktop hammer chip out later this year, I assume that it also plans a mobile version. Does it have a timeframe for this yet?
I have been entertaining the idea of replacing my desktop with a laptop for a while now but have also been lusting after the advance reports of the hammer line. As my current desktop is a non-DDR 1 Gig Athlon, just about any laptop around today could probably knock my socks off; However the battery times on the current generation counts against them.
I appeal to anyone with knowledge in this department: would the mobile hammer suck up even more power than the current gen? (I also have a reluctance to try explaining third degree burns on my balls to the doctors in casualty)
come on AMD you have 802.11b via the alchemy boys and girls
no NEW networking chips and NO gigabit ethernet....
what I would like to see is a bluetooth chip (or licence one) that also sat on the motherboard
they are not expensive at $5
On the motherboard so I can sync my phone/palm/life
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AMD needs to cement some deals with some major OEMs and fast. They released a mobile processor before, but I can't name anyone that sells athlon laptops. Hopefully somebody big like gateway or hp, etc. will pick these new chips up post haste. AMD is still lagging in the desktop world (Hammer where are you?) and they are bleeding cash like a sieve, hopefully, they can gain some footing here and give intel a run for their money.
all I want out of a mobile chip is these three things:
-large cache
-customizability of the laptop from non-proprietary vendors
-efficiency to allow decent power consumption at a fair clock speed (preferrably user-tweakable on the fly; I don't need 800 MHz if i am typing something in vi or pico).
number 1 has always been an issue for low-end processors like the duron and celeron. Number two is tough, usually reserved for the PCMCIA market when it comes to mobiles. Centrino does nothing for me in this aspect, while the new Athlon M chips allow for it. And number three may exist, I honestly don't know as AMD's site won't load right for me (in windows at work, no less). But I do know that my 400 MHz clocks down to 100 when on battery, and suits me fine for most on the go tasks like typing and excecuting short perl and python scripts. If i could do that with a laptop designed for 1800 mhz designed to battery at ~800 for 2 hours and manually told it to underclock to 200, imagine the improvement in battery time.
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Problem is, OS's are developed to desktop standards, not laptop ones. Granted, my 400mhz may run OSX nicely, It'd prolly crawl on an iBook of the equiv. Mind you, I understand the ramifications of a low power chip, but shouldn't the goal of a chip maker to make the coldest, fastest chip and the OS maker to make the fastest, smallest OS?
C'mmon people.. get on the ball here!
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Ok, let it out. We all think it's quite funny that you're the first person to think up that you can fry an egg on an Athlon, or use it as a tanning bed, or whatever.
Fact is, Barton 3000+ dissapates 74W max, while Intel's P4 3gig dissapates 82W max. SO SHUT UP ABOUT IT ALREADY!
I bought a p-2000 from fujitsu last year and one odd thing is they charge sales taxes for all 50 states(I doubt they are giving that money back to the states). So expect to pay 100+ more for anything you buy from fujitsu direct.
The centrino based X31 from IBM is new release too. Thinkpads cost more but they are built like tanks and come with a 3 year warranty compared to the usual one year from many other manufactures. The X31 would be a much more attractive package with 802.11G and legacy free. Who the hell needs a parallel port on a subnotebook?
Who will make the laptops with these processors? Certainly not Dell, HP, IBM or the likes of any Tier 1 supplier
Actually HP will be offering these chips soon and already sells AMD based laptops and desktops. I don't forsee Dell or IBM offering AMD based laptops anytime soon.
I'm currently using a laptop with an Athlon XP-M chip and I love it, better price and great power management. I'm glad to hear that AMD is continuing to inovate in the mobil processing arena. If this continues, I'll definitly purchase another AMD based laptop.
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I would like to see some of those 1400+ and faster low voltage chips in a desktop machine. I know there are relatively low power alternatives like the VIA C3/EDEN processors and the tualatin-based Celerons, but for some things like games and high-res video, those processors are kind of lacking oomph.
As a rather frivolous example, with neither mplayer+Quicktime dlls, nor the Quicktime player for Windows, my 1.0 GHz Celeron could not play the 1024x464 trailer of the Matrix Reloaded without dropping every 2nd or 3rd frame. A 1.533GHz (1800XP) Athlon chewed through the Quicktime with mplayer without any problems at all.
That machine however, uses significantly more power, generates way more heat and requires more noisy cooling gear.
Those low voltage cpus would be the cats ass for building a small, quiet, cool and still very powerful desktop machine that is a little easier on the power bill. Anything that uses less power is good in my mind.
AMD is deceptive for telling people their 1.7ghz chips perform at Intel 2.1ghz speeds? Wouldn't it be more deceptive to let people believe a 2.0ghz Intel chip out-performs an AMD 1.7ghz chip?
Not sure which of the 3 flavours they will be using but probably the low power version.
Now some of you may say; so what thats not mainstream SUN aren't selling ANYTHING at the moment. But we've got a Sun Blade B1600 in a rack at work and it looks damn nice - I'd buy one just to brighten the room up.
I just wonder when AMD are going to make the switch to multi-core cpus
AMD will too release only 12 chips...to the consumer market.
There are a huge number of yeast infections in this county. Probably because we're downriver from the bread factory.
It's deceptive because their name doesnt sat AMD 1.7 Ghz performs like a 2.1 PIV.... Their name implies that THEIR chip IS a 2.1Ghz Chip....
To give your product a name that implies it ITSELF is of that Mhz is misleading... although it may perform as well as a competing product of said MHZ the joe consumer is being led to believe that he has a chip that runs at THAT Mhz.
This my fried is deceptive...
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I am glad to see that AMD is responding to Centrino. I heard a rumour going around that AMD was getting out of the PC x86 Chip market. Being an AMD fan, I'm glad to see this is not true!
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...pretty much a step ahead of Intel since they caught up a few years ago!
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between consumer and business "grade" anymore. Except maybe winXP pro vs. home. I've got a "consumer grade" HP laptop (athlon) and it has integrated 100bt, cd burner, etc, etc. Tons of businesses buy the "consumer" versions as they are cheap. Is the stuff that *most* people do at work that different from what they do at home so as to require a better computer? Quite the contrary, in my (consulting) experience, most home pc's are faster than the machines people use at work. Doesn't hold true for companies with a bazillion computers that want some kind of management capability but those companies don't make up the majority of businesses anyways...
benchmarks comparing the XP-M to the P4-M.
if you don't feel better tomorrow, we'll just cut your legs off about here. - Theodoric of York
The power consumption of AMD's mobile processor is still much much higher than Intel's. Tom's Hardware says here that the power-saving features of the Pentium M are supposed to ensure that Pentium-M has an "average power consumption" of less than 1 W, while still delivering satisfying performance. PCWorld corroborates that here stating that the 1.3-GHz, 1.4GHz, 1.5-GHz, and 1.6-GHz Pentium M chips draw an average of less than 1 watt of power.
Compare that to the advertized draw of AMD's low-voltage chips including the 1800+, 1700+, 1600+, 1500+, and 1400+ models which dissipate 25 watts when operating at maximum power. If that's the maximum draw, the average is not likely to be less than 10..
The caveat is that the other laptop conponents, most notably the backlit display, consume the lion's share of the battery life anyway. Lord knows I support the underdog (I even bought a Cyrix instead of an original Pentium), but this Centrino chip is good.. damn good.
Why do Slashdot moderators keep rating posts as "informative" without even checking if they are correct...?
PowerPC is an architecture, not a processor (just as x86 is an architecture - there are lots of very different chips that all use the x86 architecture). And their power consumption isn't all that low. They just run at lower clock speeds than Athlons or Pentiums (everything else being equal, half the clock speed means half the power consumption).
C'mon, AMD, make an updated MP chipset.
For all the stuff AMD and Intel are coming out with for "mobile computing", there is no way they will ever be competitive with whatever Apple is using. When it comes to notebooks, Powerbooks just wipe the floor with any x86 notebook, it's not even close. Not even in the same ballpark. Give up, AMD and Intel, and leverage your good strengths instead of your pathetic weaknesses.
"but lately Intel has been steadily ahead with clock cycles that even AMD's "2800+" marketing cant compete with. "
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That's where your wrong. The new 3000+ Barton is faster then the Intel 3.06. The same will be true of a 2800+ Barton vs. a P4 2.8. The fact that a P4 3GHz gets beat by a chip running almost a 1GHz slower is embarassing for Intel to say the least and most certainly confirms AMD's "number+" processor naming convention. It's Intel marketing that doesn't live up to the hype, not AMD's.
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,10958
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Considering what I know about chips and power, they probably really do munch a lot of energy, but if you were to ask me which parts I thought most drained a notebook computer of its valuable energy resource, I would have been more quick to suggest something like a backlit LCD display or things with moving parts such has the hard dissk and other peripheral devices.
Out of all laptop devices, is it the CPU that consumes the most? I would appreciate it if somebody could clear me up on this. :)
I wonder if we will be seeing AMD in low power chipsets like mini-itx?
If you measure quality with a thermometer, I suppose you're right.
The AMD Athlon XP lacks for any integrated overheating protection means, and the most of systems based on it do not have any correct thermocontrol mechanisms. At present Athlon XP based systems do have thermal problems and are not protected from serious failures of cooling systems.
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I thought you said you hated our African-American friends, but it turns out that it is only because they aren't giving you the long, stiff rod, and that angers you.
seem to have put filthy interracial homosexual thoughts in your head. :(
Actually OS X does quite well on laptops. My G3/400 iBook isn't going to win any speed records, but it runs OS X just fine.
While an OS vendor could make a desktop-oriented OS and a separate laptop-oriented OS, the problem is that people these days use laptops as essentially mobile desktop computers. They expect to do as much with their laptop as they can with their desktop machine.
So if a vendor comes out with a "laptop-optimized" OS, odds are laptop users wouldn't use it, because they don't want the stripped-down OS, they want all the features of the desktop OS.
If the "fastest, smallest OS" won, do you think Microsoft would control even a fraction of the OS market?
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SuperDug says "Looks like yet another case of AMD being one-up on Intel."(on cache size)
Really. Centrino has a 1MB L2 cache - since the Barton core just caught up to the P4 Northwood with 512k and the new AMD mobile cpus aer based on Barton, I'd say that makes the AMD chips HALF cache size of Centrino. Why don't you try reading the specs before you make comparisons?
Looking at your own reference the Athlon ONLY wins in a few categories and looses to the P4 in most. To top it off I'd say Tom's chose a poor MB set up but prolly because at the time there was not much HT support. Price wise for home usage the Athlon's are still so much cheaper that the minor performance hit is acceptable, but numbers wise the P4's are only gonna stretch the gap as support for HT becomes prevalent and programs start to use it. AMD really NEEDS a 64bit desktop processor...
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
Barton is 640K cache, the 512K L2 and 128K L1 are exclusive. That said, I agree that the post you were responding to was moronic.
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I bought a Compaq Presario laptop just over 2 1/2 years ago with an AMD chip.
Shouldn't 640K be enough for everyone?
said was the intel P4 has to have Hyper Threading so there is no straight mhz comparison yet. The earliest HT P4 is 3.06 and it is gonna reset the balance performance wise, but AMD still has a cost benefit. All that said then I guess you are correct...mhz for mhz AMD still has the performance edge :)
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
Exactly why do people make links like this in stories....
Link To The Story....Maybe a few obscure References.....
I think I can Find AMD.com on my own....Thanks
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I am sorry your math is wrong (obviously you have never worked with these systems).
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Off topic but I've got a few Dell laptop batteries brand new for sale if you want one.
This guy is way out there
See if you can swap in a Thoroughbred core Athlon. The 1700+ runs at 1.5v, the 1800+ is probably the same. The 1800+ Palamino cores run at 1.75v. You'll probably need to flash in the current BIOS for your motherboard to recognize the TBreds. The lower core voltage makes a HUGE difference.
But there's still no GCC profile for the C3, you have to compile with -m486 because the C3 lacks optimized calls. Somebody at VIA really needs to contribute a profile for the C3 so GCC-3.3 and later can make the most of this chip.
Also, the C3 is great for what it is, but it's a total dog for real-world use. I put a C3/800 into my girlfriend's machine and she made me put the Celeron/600 back the same day.
The EPIA/800 here is great for playing MP3s and playing StarCraft on TV, but it can't even emulate a SNES without choking, and I had to reencode all my videos at higher bitrates and put a better NIC in it to get decent video output. I'm waiting for the EPIAs with the new 'nemi-somethingorother' core to show face so I can get something DONE with the architecture.
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...there are quite a few of the old guard from DEC who were on board when the Alpha was developed now working at AMD. I'd love to see AMD break away completely from the x86 clone and make something completely unique along the lines of Crusoe. Build it with next generation technology in mind. Imagine not having a Wintel box but instead having a LinMicro. Would be VERY cool. Oh yeah... get rid of the DRM crap as well.
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HP makes an Athlon XP-M based laptop... a friend of mine has one. Doesnt run too hot either.
every AMD I evry had up to 1.7Ghz have crashed and burned.. litterally.. all 3 systems..heheh anyhoo.. they suk.. and are as reliable as a new miata..AMD will never be one up on Intel untill the reliability is matched.. price is still good though, but that is all AMD has in their corner
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It's spelled 'Sandy', you fucking dumbass.
Ever heard of google?
http://www.sandy-city.net/
Dumbshit.
Though that's not redundant though.
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I have seen 300 mhz pentium II's (you know the crap processors with the 1/2 speed cache) do exactly what you described. How can they possibly process mpeg2? Simple that person's vidcard (tnt2) also had on board dvd mpeg2 acceleration of some sort (it's been a while I forget). It's not hard to imagine a celeron 677 doing that at all with full speed cache.
Hmmm... Pie...
Since your assertion that Tier 1 computer manufactueres don't use AMD at all is flawed(see earlier on in this thread -- it seems HP/Compaq is using AMD in some machines), your entire comments validity and accuracy falls into question. Since I don't feel like looking up financial reports for AMD right now, I'll assume you're just another half-informed doomsayer.
It's been a long time.
High-end and the most heat producing amd's produce LESS heat then the high-end p4's. I was looking at a heat dissapation chart and noticed that amd's top out at around 75 watts and p4's top out at the upper 85's. If i can find it again I will definately post it here.
Intel comes with higher quality heatsink and the heatspreader (note that the heatspreader is bad for performance hsf setups but help with lower quality ones, specially ones with not so great contact).
Hmmm... Pie...
This is using the machine's built in Trident video card...
:)
Yes, Trident, you know, 8900 ISA 10 fps @ std. VGA rez and all that goodness (fortunately, this card wasn't that bad, it seemed at lot like the 9440 PCI cards for performance, which is to say, lack of any). I really doubt there was any MPEG decoding on this card, considering wasn't all that happy when "include window contents when dragging" was checked, plus the maximum shared memory useable was 8 MB.
I can also say that having repaired (and still am repairing) a fair number of P2-350s at work that these machines are FAR faster. I'd certainly trade my work machine (one of those P2-350s) in for something with this processor in a heartbeat. But I'd have to replace the video... no contest on that.
This is the board that I'm talking about. Not that I like PC Chips, but it did give me a chance to try out the hard to find C3 chip.
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When AMD launches the 64-bit AMD Opteron(TM) processor for servers and workstations, AMD will introduce a new 3-digit model numbering strategy for these processors. The current model numbering plan for AMD Athlon(TM) processors is not changing.
AMD designed the AMD Opteron processor model numbers to communicate the scalability of each series and the relative performance within that series. The first digit in the model number communicates scalability, and represents the maximum number of processors supported by that model number:
* AMD Opteron processor 100 Series (Example: Model 1XX) = 1-way server
* AMD Opteron processor 200 Series (Model 2XX) = 2-way server
* AMD Opteron processor 800 Series (Model 8XX) = supports up to 8-way servers
The second and third digits communicate relative performance within each product line:
* Example: Model 244 will offer higher performance than Model 242.
* Model numbers are not directly related to frequency.
* AMD started numbering the last two digits at 40.
This gives AMD flexibility to describe AMD's server processor performance without potentially confusing end users by starting at 10, 20, or 30, because users might mistake "Model 224" with a 2.4 GHz processor. AMD developed its model numbering strategy in consultation with end users and customers. AMD found that most enterprise users of server technology understood the design of the 3-digit model number strategy and responded favorably to its clarity. They could also distinguish that the AMD Opteron processor model numbers do not directly refer to frequency, or clock speed, which have less relevance to advanced server applications.
The AMD Opteron processor model number strategy extends AMD's efforts to change end users' focus from frequency to application performance. With such architecture enhancements as a 64-bit processor core, an integrated high-bandwidth memory controller, and HyperTransport(TM) technology links for easy multiprocessor scaling, AMD expects the upcoming AMD Opteron processor will be among the highest performing server processors available. AMD will provide benchmark data at launch to demonstrate how the AMD Opteron processor compares to other server processors on both 32- and 64-bit applications.
In other words. Shit we can't get our hammers out in anywhere near a competitive frequency so we're gonna confuse the fuck out of people and hope they never find out what frequency we're releasing them at.
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Liberty.
Over at Anandtech there are three Pentium M (=centrio) notebooks reviewed.0 1
-> http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.html?i=18
Interestingly at most benchmarks the Pentium M compares equally to a Pentium 4 2.4GHz. But under "Sysmark Internet Content Creation" the desktop P4 pulls away. Even an comparable Athlon XP M should be faster at this (intel friendly) benchmark.
I think "one-up" was in relation to strategy. AMD has been increasing speed through things like cache for a while now, with Intel focusing on clock speed. The satisfaction comes from Intel finally turning around and focusing on techniques other than clock frequency.
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I have a laptop with low capacity on primary battery (Toshiba 2000). But turn off screen, and run it like an mp3 player, and it'll last close to forever, no matter what other settings I have it at. So I hope those new LCD screens I was reading about with reduced power consumption comes out, that would really do wonders for battery life...
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AMD plans to make a desktop replacement in the notebook computer market
You mean, just like Apple announced 2 monthes ago? Whoah, talk about originality.
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Sure you can, it's done all the time.
Even before these litiginous days, companies reverse engineered each others' chips. Not so much to learn how to do something, but to discover what techniques were being brought to market, and which were still paper tigers.
In today's patent-happy environment, you tear apart the other guys' chips to see if your precious IP is being violated.
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
Tell it to the news people. They were spelling it Sandee when the story broke. Sorry for trusting the AP! Besides, it's in Utah, so who the hell cares?
Gee, I guess no one. After all, it's just some kid in Utah. Nobody cares about anything that happens in Utah. Nobody puts things that happen in Utah on national news.
Nobody posts offtopic exultations about a kidnapper being caught and the kidnapped person actually being ALIVE in Slashdot threads.
Cause, hell, it's in Utah, so who the hell cares, right? If it didn't happen in LA or New York it didn't happen, right?
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