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Agreed. Not bad for government work. But eventual deployment of anything vaguely MSish will certainly lead to trespass without footprints. Can you see a bunch of bureaucrats using anything but MS? Even if this net is totally closed, and never sees a packet from the (cruel) world outside, it wont reducy one iota the need for vigilence and good intelligence/training. Just like in the real world.
Security is a game that is never won. And certainly not with one swell foop like this.
From the article: "Most of us can assume the same prices for most store bought computers, with a little added cost for an LCD screen"
Perhaps Bluetooth connectivity is an add-on then? I have trouble believing this. HP make good hardware, and they charge a bundle for it. Thats the way it's always been. Even if it does have an intel heart-replacement.
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perl and mysql. theres no magic here. just good horse sense.
Privacy as we have it (or at least want it) is a strange notion to most Euros. My (most gracious) host country over here has a complete and very up-to-date list of where everyone lives, and much more. The forms that come in the mail are considered mandatory for the sake of Statistical research. Compliance with registration and form-filling over here is considered a civic duty.
Just for the sake of remembrance, "open" records in Holland and other countries made easy pickins of the Jews and other "undesirables" during the Nazi occupation. The Dutch have, to their credit, proposed encryption of their public information. But it sounded like an escrow key thing, when I read about it. But thats still perhaps better than no protection of public information at all.
I guess it is mostly about sheer numbers, tho. As others have pointed out.
-- Despite all your rage, you're all still just rats in a cage.
Was not this originally delivered in first-person, singular form? Smashing Pumpkins, right? But it sounds like an accusation, instead of an angst, like this.
Man, I know I keep pointing it out, but this crowd is absolutely untouchable when it regards FOI. We need this inflexibility in our population. Don't ever change, my countrymen.
But... this is not just another book banning along the lines of Grapes of Wrath, Uncle Toms Cabin, etc., either.
Neither is this a librarian tearing up, burning, or even locking away a book. They (librarians) will need some time to learn to fight for (and protect) a piece of plastic, or other digital data, but they will fight. I feel quite certain of it.
And when the digital medium contains information that should be secure, it will be made that way by these same people.
Ok, with a few hours sleep, I'm ready to reduce your mutterings to rubble. (metaphorically speaking, of course).
I think the very key of your argument is sound. The crux of the biscuit is not the information, but the ability to use it. Right?
First, all of us morons would never have any interest in the information, because we dont have the time, energy or interest to do what it takes to LEARN how to make use of information. It's only the black hats who do that. Right?
Security is a desparate struggle against: "people who have interest or knowledge above the norm" and are not (simultaneously?) "phd weenies". Right?
Cmon. Security is part knowledge, part perseverence, part neighborliness, and just a dash of parnoia, yes. What is being protected AND deployed underneath the security (when the above requirements are met) is the real treasure. This thread was a good reminder of that.
Your view is the traditional "security through obscurity".
No. Thats not my view. Thats you telling me what my view is. Consider that obscurity is not destruction, as well.
It's late here, and the kids dont know, and dont care about this stuff. They'll be awake at 7am as always. But thanks for a most excellent last thread of the day.
The way I see it, there are two genies out of the bottle here. Neither can be put back. The first is information, the other is encryption. The latter is available to ALL of the owners and guardians of former. Destruction of information is a stupid mistake, and most likely a knee-jerk reaction in this case. In spite of all the great arguments to the contrary in this thread, I still gotta believe that librarians will dispense this information according to their own discretion.
People, this is about not being quite so liberal with the plans for our US infrastructure. Note the article says that the information was "yanked", and not destroyed.
I argue it never should have been so carelessly deployed in the first place. The hype and the rush to make information available on the web could have been more carefully evaluated, especially by the holders of the plans. Not just plans to dams and waterways, either. Now it's deployment-readiness is being re-evaluated. I doubt it's much more than that.
It is time for our government to introduce the same amount of security that we've been deploying on company webservers and mail systems for years.
I dont believe for a second that this information will now not be inaccessible to someone who is interested for any non-deadly reason.
A interesting reference. I've thought repeatedly of trying to write a belittling and highly karma-whorish note to trolls, but i guess that can wait. I'm gonna go read some slashdot history, instead.
IANADG, but the folks that do our models still use good, old, ERwin. Something about the relationship-specification capabilities, I guess. I was not aware that XML limited number of parents specifically. You sure that ain't just a limitation of your programming language?:)
An afterthought, databases are about storage and speed of insertion/extraction. I honestly don't believe that fitting the database to the data structure is worth the cost or the trouble, just yet.
The question is not "why?", but rather "where?". Clearly, places that dont have alot of cars dont need alot of alternative fuel. Solar technology still has a ways to go, unless you want hot water, but at least some of the contestants in this race do attempt to improve the cell effeciency, I guess.
If that happens, so be it. What must be done shall be done, and it seems most of the world agrees with this manhunt. What my sig supposes is that he finds a way to give himself up. A vision? nah. But a possibility.
Re-alliancing is the way the Afghanis hold their country together, it seems. He may be simply handed over officially. yikes.
We gotta be ready to face this Test. I dont understand why we are being tested so much lately, but that's just the way it is.
Now, can we leave it alone? It's just a damn sig, after all. sheesh.
This is not yet comparable to what you refer to.
But make no mistake, my sig is with you. Come out and join my sig! You may be as one!
Otherwise, go jump in a lake.
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Well, at least someone is.
Security is a game that is never won. And certainly not with one swell foop like this.
Perhaps Bluetooth connectivity is an add-on then? I have trouble believing this. HP make good hardware, and they charge a bundle for it. Thats the way it's always been. Even if it does have an intel heart-replacement.
perl and mysql. theres no magic here. just good horse sense.
Just for the sake of remembrance, "open" records in Holland and other countries made easy pickins of the Jews and other "undesirables" during the Nazi occupation. The Dutch have, to their credit, proposed encryption of their public information. But it sounded like an escrow key thing, when I read about it. But thats still perhaps better than no protection of public information at all.
I guess it is mostly about sheer numbers, tho. As others have pointed out.
One, small, nit tho...
-- Despite all your rage, you're all still just rats in a cage.
Was not this originally delivered in first-person, singular form? Smashing Pumpkins, right? But it sounds like an accusation, instead of an angst, like this.
But... this is not just another book banning along the lines of Grapes of Wrath, Uncle Toms Cabin, etc., either.
Neither is this a librarian tearing up, burning, or even locking away a book. They (librarians) will need some time to learn to fight for (and protect) a piece of plastic, or other digital data, but they will fight. I feel quite certain of it. And when the digital medium contains information that should be secure, it will be made that way by these same people.
I think the very key of your argument is sound. The crux of the biscuit is not the information, but the ability to use it. Right?
First, all of us morons would never have any interest in the information, because we dont have the time, energy or interest to do what it takes to LEARN how to make use of information. It's only the black hats who do that. Right?
Security is a desparate struggle against: "people who have interest or knowledge above the norm" and are not (simultaneously?) "phd weenies". Right?
Cmon. Security is part knowledge, part perseverence, part neighborliness, and just a dash of parnoia, yes. What is being protected AND deployed underneath the security (when the above requirements are met) is the real treasure. This thread was a good reminder of that.
No. Thats not my view. Thats you telling me what my view is. Consider that obscurity is not destruction, as well.
It's late here, and the kids dont know, and dont care about this stuff. They'll be awake at 7am as always. But thanks for a most excellent last thread of the day.
Of course I do. Only the shadow knows....
The way I see it, there are two genies out of the bottle here. Neither can be put back. The first is information, the other is encryption. The latter is available to ALL of the owners and guardians of former. Destruction of information is a stupid mistake, and most likely a knee-jerk reaction in this case. In spite of all the great arguments to the contrary in this thread, I still gotta believe that librarians will dispense this information according to their own discretion.
I argue it never should have been so carelessly deployed in the first place. The hype and the rush to make information available on the web could have been more carefully evaluated, especially by the holders of the plans. Not just plans to dams and waterways, either. Now it's deployment-readiness is being re-evaluated. I doubt it's much more than that.
It is time for our government to introduce the same amount of security that we've been deploying on company webservers and mail systems for years.
I dont believe for a second that this information will now not be inaccessible to someone who is interested for any non-deadly reason.
I believe in Librarians too much for that.
Why wont older stuff sort by, uh, well value dammit. Ok, there, I said it. I admit it trolls, I sort by value.
But I usually have time to read to the bottom. Really. Now, can someone tell me how to sort...
Oh, wait! My computer is catching on fire! Agghhh. Guys, guys!
A interesting reference. I've thought repeatedly of trying to write a belittling and highly karma-whorish note to trolls, but i guess that can wait. I'm gonna go read some slashdot history, instead.
An afterthought, databases are about storage and speed of insertion/extraction. I honestly don't believe that fitting the database to the data structure is worth the cost or the trouble, just yet.
Since when has the net been anything more (or less)?
Fighting fire with fire makes the whole world warm. (and cozy)
This is interesting analogy. Now if business could just achieve perpetual motion... that would impress me.
The question is not "why?", but rather "where?". Clearly, places that dont have alot of cars dont need alot of alternative fuel. Solar technology still has a ways to go, unless you want hot water, but at least some of the contestants in this race do attempt to improve the cell effeciency, I guess.
For making a shell that is incompatible with non-free OS?
Re-alliancing is the way the Afghanis hold their country together, it seems. He may be simply handed over officially. yikes.
We gotta be ready to face this Test. I dont understand why we are being tested so much lately, but that's just the way it is.
Now, can we leave it alone? It's just a damn sig, after all. sheesh.
This is not yet comparable to what you refer to. But make no mistake, my sig is with you. Come out and join my sig! You may be as one! Otherwise, go jump in a lake.
Maybe it's not supposed to be easy. Maybe it's supposed to be fun! those jocks... heh. anything for a thrill. oooh.
But do the GPS and gadgets make it newsworthy? Perhaps the map-reading and navigation skills necessary? Maybe it's the strong and hearty people?