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Douglas Adams' Last Book

mixedbag writes "A BBC news article suggests that a sixth book in Douglas Adams's Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy series will be published next May. It will be unfinished from files found of his computer. The title is to be A Salmon of Doubt."

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  1. unfinished art by colmore · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't know how I feel about this. While I'll be glad to have another book from such a great author, I worry that this will in some way corrupt the memory by putting an unfinished work-in-progress up against his polished final drafts. I hope at least they'll leave it unfinished, and not have some hack come in and tie things up for him.

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    1. Re:unfinished art by pathwayX · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I do know how I feel about this. When an author is a hit, any book with his name on it is bound to sell well.

      Maybe not as well as a 'real' book by him, but well enough that publishers will lick their lips over this one. Hell. Even books vaguely connected to a series/world/idea sell. Think of the gazillion Guide To The World Of Foo books that are out there.

      Some might argue that this is done so that the world will not be left without a particularly talented author's final contribution or some such. Some people may even mean that.

      Personally, I don't like it. It's another man's work. Another man's dream. No matter how much respect you afford it, it's not yours. Leave it be. And, as my sig says, ...

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    2. Re:unfinished art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why dont you go back to ganking down Rikers cock :D

    3. Re:unfinished art by guhknew · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If I remember correctly, a lot of his books weren't as polished as you may believe. He heavily procrastinated the completion of the first book in the series and worked to just finish it up.

    4. Re:unfinished art by Tardigrade · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Your last sentence reminds me of the Goonies.

    5. Re:unfinished art by cdemon6 · · Score: 1

      finished and polished? i heard he had a radio show in which he read the books, andhe had to write parts even during the show because the books were not finished... plz correct me if i'm wrong. :)

    6. Re:unfinished art by sjwt · · Score: 0

      kinda there..
      teh raido serise came first,
      and each episode was being rewriten right
      up untill an hour or so before air..

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    7. Re:unfinished art by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 2
      i heard he had a radio show in which he read the books, andhe had to write parts even during the show because the books were not finished... plz correct me if i'm wrong

      Ok, you're wrong. The radio series existed before the books, and it wasn't him reading anything, it was a radio show with actors and sound effects and all the usual accoutrements. The radio series roughly corresponds to HHGTTG and RATEOTU, but it's s pretty rough correspondence.

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    8. Re:unfinished art by The_Weevil · · Score: 1

      Actually you're wrong too. he did do some readings of his work for some radio show here in the UK, i think it was called something awful like "Book Club"... anyway. The radio series came before the books and in my opinion it's better than the books, but thats a matter of taste. He was always being rushed to do things. The first book ends where it does simply because the publishers demanded he finish the page he was on and give them the manuscript.

      His readings of the books on the radio 4 programme did make him change his mind about some of the storyline and he did add bits as he went along. I dont know if the book was republished with the bits he added. I doubt it.

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    9. Re:unfinished art by JimPooley · · Score: 2

      Adams was so rushed on the Radio series, and also had some Dr. Who stuff to write, that some episodes were actually written by John Lloyd.
      This is why the Hagguennons don't exist in any other version of Guide...
      Which is a damn shame, as I liked that bit!

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    10. Re:unfinished art by Lord_Of_The_Beer · · Score: 1

      He was also writting some of the episodes as they were recording. Write a page hand it out to the actors. Write another page etc. How much polishing could he do?

      By the By I also perfer the Radio show and scripts to the rest of HHGTG. The Novels are good, but the scripts are the best.

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    11. Re:unfinished art by belroth · · Score: 1

      I always feel sorry for Stephen Moore (Marvin) who was shut in a cupboard so they could process his voice in real time. He couldn't even see the other actors....
      But my favourite was Roy Hudd (older British Comic & Stand Up) doing an improv for Max Quordlepleen (sp?) , he was very familiar with the theatre having worked there every week for years. Trouble was he was used to an audience and trying to do his usual business in an empty auditorium nearly sent him batty, poor guy. But he recoverd well :-)

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    12. Re:unfinished art by belroth · · Score: 1
      I wish John Lloyd had done more (or I was familiar with it). His Hordes of the Things was brilliant, I suspect that his involvement is why I much prefer the radio series to the books etc, apart from knowing them first.

      BTW how many versions of HHGG were there? I've heard the radio series, read the book, seen the play and TV series and got the records (12" vinyl, not the same as the cds of the radio show) and they're all different. Any more?

      P.S. I think the play came before the book, certainly before the huge success, and when I went the cast were working essentially for free. The theatre (the Rainbow in Finsbury Park) couldn't sit people in the circle as this was full of FX gear. The Book was a guy in a descending gondola over he audience (plus two attractive women in tin foil bikinis) and the bit with the whale was done by him throwing an inflatable pool dolphin at us! It was fun, in a suitably surreal way. I think it closed a dew weeks later.

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    13. Re:unfinished art by Zaphod+Beeblebrox+II · · Score: 1

      Nobody on the planet has the wherewithal to finish a book by Douglas Adams. DNA was unique in a BIG way. A true genius. Terry Pratchett could take a swing at it, but to try and finish a book "in the way Douglas Adams wrote it" would be like trying to finish a work by Shakespeare. It is the bad joke told by a part-time comedian on stage which earns him death by deafening silence. I will buy the book to at least have those parts written by the man himself. If parts are added by another author I will tolerate them because I know that they were only added to complete the story out of respect for the work of DNA. I don't expect to pay more than 5 million Altarian Dollars for it, though.

  2. So many questions... by Man+of+E · · Score: 2, Funny
    Perhaps that will explain what the strange relationship was between the dolphins and the mice. Did the dolphins go to Magarethea? Did the Krikkit robots capture Eccentrica Gallumbits, the Triple-Breasted Whore of Eroticon VI? Did the mice help program Zaphod? And...

    WHAT WAS THE FINAL QUESTION? PLEASE PLEASE TELL ME PLEASE PLEASE...

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    1. Re:So many questions... by tplayford · · Score: 1
      err... we already know the question!

      "What is 6 times 9? 42."

    2. Re:So many questions... by VA+Software · · Score: 5, Insightful

      WHAT WAS THE FINAL QUESTION? PLEASE PLEASE TELL ME PLEASE PLEASE.

      That will be revealed at the end of the unfinished "A Salmon of Doubt".

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    3. Re:So many questions... by Spad · · Score: 0, Troll

      I can't tell you the question if you already know the answer - the two cannot exist mutually in the same universe.

    4. Re:So many questions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Wasn't it...

      "Guess of a number - any number"?

    5. Re:So many questions... by DrewCapu · · Score: 2

      The exact question found at the end of Chapter 33 in The Restaurant at the End of the Universe is:

      "What do you get if you multiply six by nine?"

      That's it. That's all there is.

    6. Re:So many questions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But Arthur isn't fully part of the earth program - humans came from elsewhere. Therefore, whatever Question he came up with is questionable.

    7. Re:So many questions... by FreeForm+Response · · Score: 1

      I have never, ever understood this part.

      When Arthur is pulling out Scrabble tiles, and he spells out the Ultimate Question... doesn't six times nine equal 54? Was this a typo the the editors never caught? Ahh, my head hurts! :P

    8. Re:So many questions... by Gaijinator · · Score: 1

      The mice use base 13. 3 fingers on each limb (for 12 total) and a tail, which makes 13.

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    9. Re:So many questions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice.

    10. Re:So many questions... by PurpleBob · · Score: 4, Informative

      That explanation is very clever and very wrong.

      Arthur found the WRONG question, because his evolution had been tainted by the Golgafrinchans. It is not a typo, and it is not base 13. It is simply supposed to be wrong.

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    11. Re:So many questions... by extrasolar · · Score: 2

      The question is "What was the final question?"
      The answer is "What was the final question?"

      It is soley this that allows the universe to endure.

    12. Re:So many questions... by Man+of+E · · Score: 1

      Nice idea, except the final answer is 42...

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    13. Re:So many questions... by cyberon22 · · Score: 1

      If you read it carefully, you'll note that the question is answered at the end of the first book.

      "Where shall we go for lunch?"

    14. Re:So many questions... by d.valued · · Score: 2

      The only thing I really hate about this is that the sixth book will officially make this a series, as opposed to a trilogy.

      Sigh.

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    15. Re:So many questions... by Shade,+The · · Score: 1

      No, at the front of the book there is a note which says that there was a thoery that if the *Answer* was found, the Universe would immediately change into something even more complex. Hence the wrong question - it probably worked before.

    16. Re:So many questions... by PurpleBob · · Score: 2

      It said "both the Question and Answer".

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    17. Re:So many questions... by Arcie · · Score: 0

      ummm... no.... that was not the question... arthur was not an ancestor to the original life on the planet earth... the question was therefor not printed in his genetic make-up

    18. Re:So many questions... by Shade,+The · · Score: 1

      Ok, so both the question and answer would be wrong after that. Same arguement applies :)

  3. hmmmm by ElDuque · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am excited in one sense, I will definitely read it, but is this entirely ethical? I mean, I don't think I want the contents of my computer published when I die. Especailly since they made such a big point about his being a perfectionist. Maybe he wouldn't have wanted people to read this. What does everyone else think?

    1. Re:hmmmm by trilucid · · Score: 2


      Very good point. Does anyone have reference material indicating Adams' actual wishes or concerns on this topic?

      Perhaps today's influential authors might want to make their wishes on this topic publicly known. After all, we're all mortal, but our work can (and sometimes does) live on for a long time.

      It's kinda like organ donation; I'm an organ donor, but in order to take my parts that has to be verified. I can't help but support the notion that Adams' wishes may in fact be acted against through this.

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    2. Re:hmmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't want? What about what I want? Sure, you could say that it's against his artistic integrity... blah blah blah. But it's like TPM. After watching that, I don't think lucas has much artistic _anything_ to worry about someone cutting jarjar out. So what about other works? Don't like the bad parts of battlefield earth? It might even be watchable with some editing. matrix's love scenes too slow and boring? _ALL_ dojo and lobby _ALL_ the time. Okay, so an unfinished work (especially with many unfinished versions) would be a little awkward to read, but with an editor they could do something like Kafka's Castle. I just hope they allow some really good editors to fight it out in making the best version, which probably requires some lax copyrights or (Apple's) Darwin-type lycensing.

    3. Re:hmmmm by colmore · · Score: 1

      actually i'd like to see a big book of all the different drafts and revisions. i don't think there's enough of that. the only good example i can think of is Stephen Hero, which is a collection of draft segments from Joyce's _A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man_ a really interesting read if you're familiar with the book and interested in the creative process behind one of the 20th centuries greatest literary minds.

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    4. Re:hmmmm by Ryosen · · Score: 1

      I distinctly recall reading an interview (or maybe it was Adams' web site) immediately following his death and this topic was raised. Adams did not want this published. In fact, he was not a big fan of the series to begin with nor did he enjoy being a writer. His noteriety as a perfectionist is actually misplaced. More accurately, he was a severe procrastinator.

      Neil Gaiman (yes, that one) wrote a tome on the Guide wherein he lovingly details Adams' experience with writing the book, as well as the radio scripts.

      He had written scraps of ideas for the sixth book but had little desire to complete it.

      I say let the man rest in peace and don't rob his grave.

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  4. Funny by KingKire64 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    How were all worryed that someone will finish his book, when if fact someone is about to finish the the exisitance of our planet....

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    1. Re:Funny by brunes69 · · Score: 1

      Er... what?

  5. Is this right? by dancingmad · · Score: 1

    Didn't Adams not want this work published ( didn't ./ post an article to that effect?) So is it wrong to do so? I guess it comes with being a popular author though

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    1. Re:Is this right? by Audent · · Score: 2, Informative

      I seem to remember reading something along those lines as well...
      I do know that Terry Pratchett has included in his will (well, his literary will - apparently you need one of those) that NOBODY is to finish anything he's half way through and any unfinished work is NOT to be published (literally over his dead body)which I think is fair enough... Writing is an odd business and I don't imagine each chapter is carefully crafted and honed before the author moves on to the next... it would be a rough draft/first walk through kind of thing.
      Mind you, it could give great insight into the workings of a writer... I'd pay for that I think.

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    2. Re:Is this right? by nomadic · · Score: 3, Informative

      Harlan Ellison had a great response to the question "So is it wrong to do so?". Never was a huge fan of his fiction (obviously brilliant, just never clicked with me), but my God the man can write a brilliant invective.

    3. Re:Is this right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It will only give you insight if you can read different stages of a chapter of book. If you only get a draft, like this, it won't give you insight. It only makes you wonder, what was he thinking? What would it have become?

      --Ivo

    4. Re:Is this right? by Sodium+Attack · · Score: 2
      my God the man can write a brilliant invective.

      Brilliant? Brilliant???!!! Passionate, yes. Hardly brilliant. Ellison asserts that an author has absolute control over his work, even after his death--but Ellison simply treats that as axiomatic, and gives the skeptical reader not one whit of argument as to why he should accept Ellison's axiom.

      I presume Ellison (and all the posters here who oppose posthumous publication without the author's consent) would also deny the world Mozart's Requiem.

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    5. Re:Is this right? by belroth · · Score: 1
      A good point about the Mozart Requiem.

      I am glad that Kafka's executor ignored his wishes too as a body of great (even in translation) work would have been lost . I think it's about time for a new film version of 'The Trial' too.

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  6. But... but... by vslashg · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was going to make the comment (like everyone else) that they shouldn't publish this. Except I can't -- I'm going to be one of the first to read it!

  7. tupac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like posthumous releases of tupac's recordings that he may or may not have wanted released.

  8. Hitch Hiker series? by Stavros42 · · Score: 1

    I thought that the Salmon of Doubt started off as a Dirk Gently novel, but then Douglas Adams realised that the ideas he had didn't fit in with Dirk Gently, so part way through writing it he decided to change it into an entirely new story, i.e. neither a Hitch Hiker book nor a Dirk Gently book.

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  9. Reminds me of... by Satai · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...a review Mr. Cranky wrote of Almost Heroes.

    "Almost Heroes" is such an abomination that one actually wishes Chris Farley had kicked off long before he got anywhere near this script. The filmmakers would have been kinder to Farley's memory by taking a collective piss on his rotting corpse."

    Let's hope that the new Adams book is a better experience. Don't most authors include something in their wills about not publishing unfinished materials?

    1. Re:Reminds me of... by rebug · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think you're speaking to a generation that belives Ernest P. Worrel and Mark Twain to be of comparable wit.

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    2. Re:Reminds me of... by FatOldGoth · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Don't most authors include something in their wills about not publishing unfinished materials?

      Sometimes, but this isn't necessarily a good thing.

      Franz Kafka went one step further and asked his executor of his will to burn all his unpublished work (which is almost everything of his we consider to be a classic today). Luckily the executor didn't go through with this and it was published posthumously. Sometimes authors aren't the best judges of their work.

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    3. Re:Reminds me of... by RickHunter · · Score: 1

      Having read the Kafka works in question, I must say that he was spot-on in his evaluation of their quality. Step back from established literary tradition and actually read the things. They're horrible.

    4. Re:Reminds me of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      for uneducated readers perhaps. and you actually didnt understand why he wanted to have his books burnt even in the slightest!

    5. Re:Reminds me of... by baronben · · Score: 1

      Just becuase they are hard to understand doesn't make them bad, remember, unless you are reading it in the orginal germen, your reading an imperfect translation. The Trial was one of the best books I've ever read, it spoke of frustration about being unable to change your future, even when you are given the chance to. And yes I know this is flamebait, but what is the point of Karmna if we can't waste it horribly?

    6. Re:Reminds me of... by Joe+Decker · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Sometimes authors aren't the best judges of their work.

      Perhaps. I still have mixed feelings about it. I'm not much of a writer, but I am a nature photographer in my off hours, and I think there's an analogy here that bothers me. I have a lot of as yet unpublished photographs. Part of making a quality art print isn't just the pre-exposure and exposure-time work, it's the darkroom work (chemical or digital) in really cleanly establishing tonal relationships in the print, this is a process that takes some time to get right, and may be something I revisit.

      Call me a control freak, but I don't feel that something is part of my work until it's finished. It's an intermediate result of my work, but since it doesn't completely represent my intention--it doesn't represent what I wanted from it. It may be enjoyable, it may be saleable, but it isn't really fair to give me the credit or the blame for releasing it.

      Ansel Adams had a small number of color photographs that he never wished published, they were published after his death. These photographs, in my opinion, weren't up to the quality of his other work, if I didn't know (as many people don't) that this work was published without his consent, I would think less of the artist and the body of the artists work as a whole.

      I'm not an Ansel Adams, I'm not a Douglass Adams, but I very much hope that whatever viewership and following I ever gain will not be confused by the publication of my intermediate work products. (I grant that good labelling of the intermediate prints would be a reasonable way of approaching the "confusion" question--but note that publishers only have an incentive to publish, not an incentive to publicize the nature of the work product.)

      In the case of Douglass Adams, I worry that the publication of an unpublished draft of a 6th HHGTG novel, that Adams himself thought was dull, will color peoples impressions of Adams in a negative way, and paint the rest of his work. I'd rather not see that loss--and I am cynical that publishers will do anything to alert readers to the unfinished, incomplete nature of the work. (If they do, I grant that my objections are mitigated or removed.)

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    7. Re:Reminds me of... by zhensel · · Score: 3, Informative

      Having read his unfinished / requested incinerated novel The Trial and a whole slew of short stories, I'd have to disagree entirely. Within the "established literary tradition" or not, these are wonderful works with all sorts of meaning. I loved The Trial and it was almost better that it was unfinished. I sat around for days wondering about the various forms that the work could've took in a finished state. At least with the novel I read, I've found that Kafka's unfinished work is easily equal in quality, meaning, et al to his short story work which is undeniably brilliant. If you reply saying that The Judgement, A Country Doctor, Josephine and the Mouse Folk, and Metamorphosis are all likewise horrible I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Besides, Kafka wasn't spot on in his evaluation of anything - just read up on his history and then read his work and see how twisted his evaluation of women was. He was one paranoid fellow.

    8. Re:Reminds me of... by wavydavy · · Score: 0

      Humour is a subtle quality and benefits from many re-writes eg scripts for The Simpsons, even when it was funny, were religiously scruntinised by the writers for refinement.

      Interesting note about Kafka btw.

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    9. Re:Reminds me of... by ruszka · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sometimes authors aren't the best judges of their work.

      Maybe they're not. But Kafka wanted his unfinished work destroyed. It was his material and his right. People may have liked what was later published but Kafka was violated by having his own wishes denied when he couldn't even be around to have a say in it.

    10. Re:Reminds me of... by aratuk · · Score: 1

      Kafka was a pretty good judge of his work. He knew he had a keen insight into human thought, insecurity in particular, but felt that he was incapable of fully expressing whatever it was he knew. This made him feel that it would be better to leave no explanation of his insight at all than an unfinished one which could be misinterpreted. (I gather all of this from a Kafka quote in the forward to his Complete Stories from Schocken Books, New York.) This is a valid sentiment, I think; no one would want something they did not complete left open to analyzation. Kafka didn't feel he had fully realized his intentions. The style of his work was more important than the question of a fully fleshed-out plot, though, and yes it is lucky that much of his work was saved. Some was burned, however, by his girlfriend. Unfinished writings are a very sensitive thing, and I don't think it's a good idea ever to generalize about them or extrapolate too heavily on the writer's intentions for whatever portion he hadn't set down when he died. I think Adams' publishing company has gone a little too far to capitalize on the Hitchhiker's stuff (think all the different editions of the books, with photographs, and token short stories, and other gimmicky stuff to get you to buy the same book more than once). Not that any profit-motivated publisher wouldn't, but I'm not getting my hopes up about a really substantial piece of writing.

  10. Douglas' Writing Style by 3141 · · Score: 1

    This worries me slightly, since I was under the impression that part of what made his previous books so good was that he slaved over every word, writing and re-writing until it was perfect. Fingers crossed.

    1. Re:Douglas' Writing Style by wackybrit · · Score: 1

      That's the official line, but I'm not so sure. The first HHGTTG is written almost as if he just sat down one day.. said 'I'm going to write a book'.. and bashed out 50,000 words in a sitting. The constant scene changes, quirky events and odd side-stories only make this case more convincing.

    2. Re:Douglas' Writing Style by PurpleBob · · Score: 2

      The reason the first HHGTTG is like that is because it is an adaptation of the first few episodes of the radio series. The second book split off from the plot of the radio series halfway through, and the rest of the books were entirely independent.

      So true Adams fans should go find a copy of the radio series and listen to it - most of it will be an entirely new experience. Some very different stuff happens to the characters. BBC-Americas sells CDs of the series sporadically (mine took 14 months to arrive), and if you don't have the patience you can easily find MP3s of it.

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  11. So long and thanks for all the books... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looking for to reading one last entry from my favorites series...

  12. Not going to read it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I feel sad because once so bright soul went away from us. Reading uncomplete book would feel quite bad since it remainds me of that there will not be more...

    I will rather buy the earlier ones as one big book. What was special with DNA wasn't that he was funny. A lot of authors are funny. He wrote in a way that no one else did. The special thing is, he didn't think very much of it.. He just did it, no matter how silly. He knew how to smile on this planet that makes most of the people most of the time just plain sad.

    1. Re:Not going to read it by yasa · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I agree! I read his book in my most miserable time of my life (i felt like I was the rain god! ;-)), and it made me smile. The funniest thing was his way of thinking and his strange fantasies. The book got burned in my brain patterns and until then I feel totally confortable. The only problem is that this leeds some times to realy strange stupid incindents! ;-)

  13. Er, which will it be? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Unfinished, but based on finished files found?

    Unfinished files used to finish the unfinished book.

    Finished from files found on his computer?

    Finished from unfinished files found on the computer.

    None of the above?

    Does it matter? Is it part of the hitchhiker enigma?

    1. Re:Er, which will it be? by scorcherer · · Score: 1

      Unfinnished kernel based on finnished source files by a finnish CS student

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  14. Remember the game HHGTTG? by t0qer · · Score: 1

    Remember the 80's? You could not walk into a software store without seeing that green planet with it's tounge sticking out.

    That was my first introduction to Douglas Adams.
    The marketing on the PC version of Hitchhikers was so heavy I wonder if a lot of people did like I did, buy the game first, then out of curiosity bought the book. Man what a weird series of books (good weird) I remember picking up Resturant at the end of the universe with one notion of what the title meant, only to discover in the book that it's meaning was something completly different.

    I think that is one of the neatest things about Adams books, they really paid homage to that old saying "You cannot judge a book by it's cover" Does anyone remember what the secret of the universe is?

    1. Re:Remember the game HHGTTG? by 42forty-two42 · · Score: 1

      The answer to the Ultimate question of Life, the Universe, and Everything(whatever it is) is... Forty-two!!!

    2. Re:Remember the game HHGTTG? by frozenray · · Score: 1

      A Java version of the Infocom HHG is available here (douglasadams.com):

      http://www.douglasadams.com/creations/infocomjava. html

      Save and restore don't work in this version, though.

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  15. post-mortem publishing common by peter303 · · Score: 2

    Ron Hubbard published at least a dozen books after dying. Asimov, Heinlein, Roddenberry, Herbert, Toklein had amble stuff published too. Sometimes notes, as-is, or completions by "ghost" authors.

    1. Re:post-mortem publishing common by maggard · · Score: 3, Funny
      Actually L. Ron Hubbard was claimed to have written numerous books after his apparent death, a much more impressive feat then simply having books published ex mortis.

      I don't know if it true but I was once told the American Library Association once awarded Hubbard an award for most books written post-humously.

      -- Michael

      ps for the Scientologists: L. Ron Hubbard now lives in my pants - feel him for 25 cents.

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    2. Re:post-mortem publishing common by imrdkl · · Score: 1

      A interesting reference. I've thought repeatedly of trying to write a belittling and highly karma-whorish note to trolls, but i guess that can wait. I'm gonna go read some slashdot history, instead.

    3. Re:post-mortem publishing common by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am going to go out on a limb and say you are the only one upset by this. After reading the slashdot artcle and several of the articles from which that was pointed, I can tell you, with out much doubt, that Scientology is bull shit. Most of the stuff I have read about sounds like L Ron was a 12 year old kid who thought one day to start a religon.... Oh Oh A long time ago (Aprox 4 quadtrillion years ago) this happened.... Its complete crap. L Ron is nothing more then a shitty Sci-Fi writer.

    4. Re:post-mortem publishing common by imrdkl · · Score: 1
      Er, perhaps a moderator-adulating followup, then...

      Why wont older stuff sort by, uh, well value dammit. Ok, there, I said it. I admit it trolls, I sort by value.

      But I usually have time to read to the bottom. Really. Now, can someone tell me how to sort...

      Oh, wait! My computer is catching on fire! Agghhh. Guys, guys!

    5. Re:post-mortem publishing common by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you done babbling incoherently yet?

    6. Re:post-mortem publishing common by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, you'll be a troll too after a few more months. It happens to anyone who is really interested in Slashdot.

  16. When I die by Chairboy · · Score: 5, Funny

    When I die, I hope they publish all those half completed letters to Penthouse I was working on.

    "I never thought this could happen to me, but when I saw the six buxom cheerleaders knocking at my door..."

    1. Re:When I die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Actually, that's a scary thought. Imagine that you walk out of the house tomorrow and you get hit by a bus... Okay, you're dead. That sucks. But then your wife/girlfriend/mother/SO starts rooting around your computer to find what you've been working on... What're they going to find? Weird thoughts you wrote down late at night? ICQ Logs? Emails to old girlfriends? Lots of farm-animal-Pr0n?

      Hmmmm... I think I'm going to do some serious hard-drive cleaning tonight. Maybe I'll even fire up PGP and cypher some of the stuff that never needs to be read by anyone but me...

      -Russ

    2. Re:When I die by Mononoke · · Score: 1
      But then your wife/girlfriend/mother/SO starts rooting around your computer to find what you've been working on... What're they going to find? Weird thoughts you wrote down late at night? ICQ Logs? Emails to old girlfriends? Lots of farm-animal-Pr0n?
      You'll never surprise your mom. Moms are all-seeing all-knowing creatures that are also kind enough not to let on about what they know.

      Keep in mind that moms forgive, but the FBI doesn't.

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    3. Re:When I die by DGolden · · Score: 1

      At the same time, if you're dead, you've effectively ceased to exist. Nothing is ever going to matter to you again, you're worm food.
      You really shouldn't worry about embarassing yourself...

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      Choice of masters is not freedom.
    4. Re:When I die by Bios_Hakr · · Score: 2

      I remember a company that would go to your house after you died. The basic concept was for them to be notified as soon as you died. They would go to your house and clean it up. They would remove all the "incriminating evidince" and even call up magazine companies to cancel subscriptions.

      I tried to find a link, but a google search turned up nothing.

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    5. Re:When I die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but things that you leave behind may negatively impact those who were close to you. The 'who-cares-you-are-dead' philosophy is really dangerous and wrong - its the same mentality of those crazy bastards on 9/11.

      ever think of that, motherfucker?

    6. Re:When I die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Yes, but it is the logical conclusion of atheism, which is pretty popular on Slashdot.

      -Rufus

    7. Re:When I die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually it's almost the opposite of the philosophy of the crazy bastards on 9/11 - they did what they did because they profoundly believed that what happened after they died mattered.

      After all, from their point of view, they sacrificed there lives for God and their fellow man.

    8. Re:When I die by Gen.+Ho+Lee+Phuc · · Score: 1

      it was a 'man show' sketch, silly. The magazine subscriptions in the sketch were porno mags, and the company cleaned up things like penis pumps and bongs before your parents got there.

    9. Re:When I die by Bios_Hakr · · Score: 1

      It was a skit, but they got the idea from an actual company. I think it was called deathco or something.

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  17. Publishing anything by ishark · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I just hope it does not end as it was with Tolkien, with lots of books published from temporary files/materials and in general so much stuff that it really looked like they were squeezing all the possible money from it....
    While almost-completed stories are ok to publish, when the level reaches 10 lines of text and 10 pages of comment by someone else then it's sad.

    1. Re:Publishing anything by rasjani · · Score: 2

      While i agree with you totally, in case of Silmarillion (in wich you probably are referring to), most of that text where just "written" for background. Its not like that there where any good storyleads on it but most of the stuff where just "history" of the middle-earth.

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    2. Re:Publishing anything by smileyy · · Score: 1

      He's probably talking more about the (voluminous) History of Middle Earth series.

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    3. Re:Publishing anything by yasa · · Score: 1

      I disagree. Most of the books published after Tolkien's death are great and really interesting.
      The Silmarillion, Historical Atlas of Middle Earth, Elfish Language/Grammar Book gives you a better point of view what J.R.R. Tolkien had created.

    4. Re:Publishing anything by The+Smith · · Score: 1

      For almost any other author I'd agree with you, but not for Tolkien. The thing which makes Tolkien unique among writers is that he produced an entire evolving mythology rather than a few monolithic novels. Part of the interest many people have in reading these documents stems from the inconsistencies and alterations made by JRRT himself, which mirror surprisingly well the changes undergone by the myths of cultures in the real world.

    5. Re:Publishing anything by Some+Dumbass... · · Score: 1

      Is it just me, or does missing his final deadline by "forever" seem like a fitting end to Douglas Adams?

      I hope they never publish that book :)

    6. Re:Publishing anything by ROBOKATZ · · Score: 1

      Number of innocent Afghans killed by a decade of civil war: tens of thousands.
      Nubmer of innocent Afghans killed by American bombs: several hundred at most.
      Installing a peaceful, fair government in Afghanistan: priceless.

      Some crimes against humanity you can ignore. For everything else, there's bombs. Lots and lots of bombs.

    7. Re:Publishing anything by ishark · · Score: 2

      The ones you talk about are ok (The Silmarillion is very good) or semi-ok. The problem is with the "History of Middle Earth" series, where the amount of text actually by Tolkien goes down exponentially with the book number....

    8. Re:Publishing anything by belroth · · Score: 1

      They weren't just written for background. JRRT's first love was languages and he just wanted to create Elvish etc, and the Silmarillion etc was a spin-off from that.....

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    9. Re:Publishing anything by Some+Dumbass... · · Score: 1

      Nubmer of innocent Afghans killed by American bombs...

      Who says we're only counting the ones killed by bombs? Why not those killed by the Northern Alliance while taking over all those cities, or all the refugees fleeing the bombings that died, for example? (Don't even get me started on other countries, like The Sudan, for example)

      Installing a peaceful, fair government in Afghanistan: priceless.

      Yeah, just look how well it worked with Saudi Arabia. Nobody could possibly disagree with that! (Hint for the clueless: this is one of bin Laden's primary complaints about the U.S.)

    10. Re:Publishing anything by SEE · · Score: 2

      Installing a peaceful, fair government in Afghanistan: priceless.

      Yeah, just look how well it worked with Saudi Arabia. Nobody could possibly disagree with that! (Hint for the clueless: this is one of bin Laden's primary complaints about the U.S.)


      Number of Saudi Arabian governments installed by the United States, or, in fact, by anybody other than the House of Saud: 0.

      Your number of "hints for the clueless": 1

      Your own arrogantly displayed ignorance: priceless.

      History for your edification (I like taking away priceless things):

      In 1902 Abdul-Aziz ibn Saud, emir of the Wahabi, seized the mud fortresses of Riyadh in Nejd, without U.S. involvment. He forced the abdication of Hashemite king Husein bin Ali in favor of his son Ali bin Husein in 1924, without U.S. involvment. He declared himself king of Hejaz in 1926 and renamed the realm Saudi Arabia, again without U.S. involvment. The British recognized the independent Saudi Arabia in 1927, again without U.S. involvment. And the monarchy and royal family founded by Abdul-Aziz ibn Saud is still in charge today.

      Yes, the U.S. has aided the Saudi government in staying in power. But even bin Laden didn't object to the Saudi government ruling Arabia until it decided to allow infidels to defend it from Iraq; bin Laden had even offered to lead his own mujahdeen to defend Arabia and the House of Saud against Iraq before he discovered U.S. forces were going to defend the kingdom.

    11. Re:Publishing anything by ROBOKATZ · · Score: 1

      What is this "Saudi Arabia" nonsense about?

    12. Re:Publishing anything by Some+Dumbass... · · Score: 1

      Yes, the U.S. has aided the Saudi government in staying in power. But even bin Laden didn't object to the Saudi government ruling Arabia until it decided to allow infidels to defend it from Iraq; bin Laden had even offered to lead his own mujahdeen to defend Arabia and the House of Saud against Iraq before he discovered U.S. forces were going to defend the kingdom.

      Yeah, you're right. It's the American soldiers on Saudi soil that bin Laden complains about. And no, my Saudi history isn't great. I must have been thinking of the attempts on Syria or something. My bad.

      On the other hand...

      Your number of "hints for the clueless": 1

      Your own arrogantly displayed ignorance: priceless.

      History for your edification (I like taking away priceless things):


      Pretty strong words from someone who doesn't think the Northern Alliance killed any innocent Afghans (unless you're referring to the decade-long civil war, of course). Or maybe you just did't think to count them until now? Either way, as my .sig says, the media isn't reporting these deaths or (hardly) any others, except for dead Taliban soldiers. It's easy to support a war when none of the "good guys" die, right?

      Incidentally, I notice you didn't have anything to say about this in your last post. Yet I assume that's why this argument started. Since that argument seems to be over, shall we just agree that neither of us is perfect and leave it at that?

  18. Salmon of Doubt .... or .. ? by Wakkow · · Score: 5, Interesting
    A quick search on google came across this interview from April... Here's a quote from it:

    The new book is not a Hitchhiker's book - there are already five of those - or a Dirk Gently book, but "it will be recognizable in style to anyone who knows those books." It also won't be The Salmon of Doubt.

    "I abandoned [The Salmon of Doubt] about halfway through because I just thought it was getting too dull," Adams said. "Since then, I've now got lots and lots of different story lines waiting for me to turn them into books. One of them I shall apply the title Salmon of Doubt to, but I don't know which one yet."

    Anyone know if the one being published was the "dull" book he never finished or another one?

    -Daniel

    1. Re:Salmon of Doubt .... or .. ? by Stavros42 · · Score: 3, Informative

      In August, the BBC showed an "Omnibus" documentary on Douglas Adams' life, which said, along with the fact that Adams suffered writer's block a lot, that the only way he could be persuaded to finish the fifth novel, Mostly Harmless, was to set it up so that all Planet Earths in all possible universes ceased to exist - that way nobody could ask him to write a sixth Hitch Hiker novel!

      The BBC page seems to think that the unfinished bits of novel that have been found comprise the sixth Hitch Hiker novel. This is unlikely, as that interview says. I would have thought it is something completely new, i.e. neither Hitch Hiker nor Dirk Gently, but the BBC article says that the work will be edited - could this mean that bits of separate stories might be merged to produce a novel? In any case, I hope it is done in a way Douglas' family feel he would have wanted.

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    2. Re:Salmon of Doubt .... or .. ? by Mac+Nazgul · · Score: 1

      Hey, like that sig! Red Dwarf Rules!

    3. Re:Salmon of Doubt .... or .. ? by NeuroKoan · · Score: 1

      As a student at UCSB, I was lucky enough to hear him speak at (what turned out to be) his final lecture. It was really, really good (obviously) and this interview was done by our school newspaper before the lecture.

      I know that doesn't anwer your question, but its some background material about that article (probably one of the last interviews w/ him)

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  19. Please Leave the Writings Alone by Chibi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    from the article:

    "He would take it and then revise it repeatedly so there were many files.

    "As soon as he wrote anything he would say, 'Oh, God that's terrible'. He was a very, very self-critical author and so had a lot of trouble writing. He was a perfectionist."

    I would rather that they not publish these final stories unless there was any indication from Mr. Adams before his death that he felt the stories lived up to his standards. It's sad, but they don't even know if he had thought of a completely new way to present the story, but just never had the chance to write it down.

    Maybe if they include something in the forward saying that he had never reached a final approval point with these writings, it would sit easier with me. One thing I am glad they are doing, though, is to at least publish it in a collection with other writings, rather than selling it as the final novel in the Hitchhiker's collection.

    And I will admit some curiosity to see the same story written in different ways. It might provide some insight into his creative process.

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  20. whats next? by nihilist_1137 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Will we be seeing half completed movies that directors started?
    oh yea AI.

    or half completed software that a developer did not finish.
    wait a minute, they dont have to be dead.

    Point - its a mistake to publish something that isnt finish. It could have ended up way different that what was recovered on the computer after adams was finished revising it.

    1. Re:whats next? by KlomDark · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I think a better example would be Kubrick's "Eyes Wide Shit" for a half completed movie from a dead director!

  21. This is my fifth lifetime posting to slashdot... by jasonbrown · · Score: 3, Funny

    But Taco always say:

    "Marvin you know we can't allow robots to post to slashdot. This website is for human nerds."

    Hear I am. This is my fifth time though the whole expanse of time. I KNOW the secret to cold fusion. I personally talked to Jesus about the afterlife. I've had an XBox 5 TIMES now, and it just keeps pissing me off. Bill thinks he's so cool. Has he ever seen the end of time. I THINK NOT!!!

    Tell Taco to let me post! Don't let Taco discriminate against me just because I am a robot.

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    "Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press"
  22. F. Scott Fitzgerald's The Last Tycoon by jvmatthe · · Score: 3, Insightful
    As part of my research on F. Scott Fitzgerald back in high school, I read his unfinished last book The Last Tycoon. While I enjoyed that part that exists, the experience was unsatisfying precisely because the it was unfinished. The analysis of his notes that followed outlined how the book might have ended, based on some speculation, but that's no way to end any story. It's like reading the first half of Romeo and Juliet and having to read someone else's notes to find out "hijinx ensue, they commit suicide".


    For that reason, I'd be tempted to stay away from this book by Douglas.

    1. Re:F. Scott Fitzgerald's The Last Tycoon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "hijinx ensue, they commit suicide"


      Arg! Some of us haven't read that yet! Next time warn us about spolers!
  23. Original Source by VA+Software · · Score: 4, Informative

    The original source of the story is the Sunday Telegraph.
    There is a little more information here than at the BBC.

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  24. Read it for what it's worth... by edashofy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'll buy it and read it, but only for what it's worth. I got the feeling at the end of Mostly Harmless that he had pulled a Charlton Heston at the end of Beneath the Planet of the Apes--that he wanted to end the series so finally that no sequel was possible. A little like he was angrily trying to give the HH fans, always clamoring for more, the hint that he didn't have any more to give in the series.

    On a side-note, Adams was a devout atheist. It doesn't seem fitting that we should be worried that he's looking down on all of us screaming, "No, you idiots! Don't publish that!"

    1. Re:Read it for what it's worth... by scorcherer · · Score: 1
      On a side-note, Adams was a devout atheist. It doesn't seem fitting that we should be worried that he's looking down on all of us screaming, "No, you idiots! Don't publish that!"

      So you honestly believe that it takes a god to enable transcendental life? Maybe you could study Buddhism or the like, and realize the world of religions isn't all black and white. Atheism isn't necessarily pure materialism where everything ends at the moment of death.

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    2. Re:Read it for what it's worth... by cmeans · · Score: 2, Funny
      Just because he was an atheist, doesn't mean he was right. It also doesn't mean he was wrong. But at least he had a position.

      Speaking as an agnostic, I personally don't know what to believe...other than, "I believe I'll have another drink".

    3. Re:Read it for what it's worth... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      I got the feeling at the end of Mostly Harmless that he had pulled a Charlton Heston at the end of Beneath the Planet of the Apes--that he wanted to end the series so finally that no sequel was possible.
      Yeah, he did at first. But he changed his mind eventually and said he was going to do a sequel sooner or later. When people asked him how he planned on doing a sequel with all the characters dead, he told them that being dead would make it even easier, since they're all in the same place.
    4. Re:Read it for what it's worth... by TGK · · Score: 1, Troll

      If you're going to get religious on the /. croud, at least have the good sence to quote/paraphrase Pascal's gambit.

      Consider the Christian and the Athiest. All things being equil, if, in the end the Athiest is right and the Christian is wrong, their posisions in the hereafter will be equil. The Christian loose nothing, save the effort required to live a moraly upright life. If, however the Christian is right and the Athiest wrong, then will the position of the Christian be superior!

      Before you all jump down my throat on this: Yes, I am aware that more than one religion exists which claims that if you don't belive in it you're phukt. I'm also aware that if hell is exothermic hell will eventualy break loose, but if it's endothermic it will eventualy freeze over.

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    5. Re:Read it for what it's worth... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why would he be looking down?

    6. Re:Read it for what it's worth... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I remember him speaking once when he said that he had almost put in a fat lady singing at the end of that book, just to make sure his point got across.

    7. Re:Read it for what it's worth... by yasa · · Score: 1

      Who needs religions when they can have pan galactic gargleblasters, endless parties with nice girls, fancy drinks and funny snacks?

    8. Re:Read it for what it's worth... by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      People keep saying all the characters are dead, but neither Zaphod, Fenchurch, nor the Guide Mark II are dead. And while Marvin is technically dead, we know he's still hanging around quite a few places waiting to loop backwards in time yet again.

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    9. Re:Read it for what it's worth... by addaon · · Score: 1

      Well, we're getting quite a thread off a troll.

      "The Christian loose nothing, save the effort required to live a moraly upright life." [sic]

      Isn't that the point!? That's a hell of a lot of effort. No heavy drugs, no murdering sprees, no cursing out Catholic school kids... what the heck are we supposed to do for fun? Pray?

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    10. Re:Read it for what it's worth... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I may be misinterpreting, but I thought that the ending meant the Vogon destroyed everything but himself in all possible universes, making it the ultimate "screw you" ending for people asking for countless sequels. (Needless to say, in that case, they would all be dead.)

    11. Re:Read it for what it's worth... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're aware that Pascal's Wager is used as a classic example of flawed reasoning in freshman logic classes?

    12. Re:Read it for what it's worth... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, but Adams' brand of atheism was a purely materialistic one, so the point stands.

    13. Re:Read it for what it's worth... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pascal's gambit assumes that being Christian has no downside. It's quite easy to imagine opportunities that a Christian could miss that an athiest would not miss.

      The gambit states that a life lived by the tenets of Christianity is morally upright. It neglects to mention that such a life is morally upright only by the terms of Christianity. Basically a tautology. I have seen people do some truly awful things believing that Jesus or God wanted them to do them.

      It's an interesting thought experiment, but it includes some assumptions that I don't believe are warranted.

    14. Re:Read it for what it's worth... by Weird+Dave · · Score: 1

      You're right about Zaphod, at least, and probably Fenchurch (but I never liked that bitch anyways). But the guide winked itself out of existence when the earth was destroyed (presumably in all timelines).

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    15. Re:Read it for what it's worth... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Charlton Heston at the end of Beneath the Planet of the Apes--that he wanted to end the series so finally that no sequel was possible.

      so much for that idea! it was a nice thought of his, though..

    16. Re:Read it for what it's worth... by Belgand · · Score: 1

      Adams however was a pure materialist who IIRC referred to himself as a "militant atheist" to distinguish this fact as well as to avoid being confused with agnostics.

  25. Sad? by Kidbro · · Score: 5, Informative

    Once again, I'd like to refer to what Neil Gaiman wrote in his journal once he heard of Douglas' death: I hope that his death isn't followed by the publishing of all the stuff he hadn't wanted to see print. (the Saturday, May 12, 2001 entry).

    1. Re:Sad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From www.vhemt.org:

      ``We know we'll never see the day there are no human beings on the planet.'' Well, by definition...

      I don't think NAMBLA has anything on the sheer trollballs of these people.

    2. Re:Sad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what do you want from a guy who's name is Gay Man?

  26. Re:This is my fifth lifetime posting to slashdot.. by jasonbrown · · Score: 1

    That's what I am talking about. I have to clean the house and play mp3s for this human nerd just so he will let me use this account. Taco won't even let me have an account!

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  27. Re:This is my fifth lifetime posting to slashdot.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never read the books, huh?

  28. Doubting this Salmon by Overcoat · · Score: 1
    Rumors about Salmon of Doubt's publication have been floating arount the 'net and elsewhere since the mid 1990's. I think if Adams sat on the work so long, he probably didn't think it was any good.

    Will Salmon be Adams' Simarillion? Remains to be seen, I guess. But anyway, who would want to read an unfinished book?

  29. Re:When they release the movie. by methangel · · Score: 1

    That was a stupid and offtopic comment.

  30. Deadsplotation by christurkel · · Score: 1

    It's sad to see this kind of thing happen. On one hand, its always nice to see "unpublished" material by your favorite author, on the other its explotation. Sure there might be some scholarly value here but mostly its foir the money. Let dead writers rest!

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  31. Yuch .. by SirFlakey · · Score: 2

    The only way I'd by that book is if the proceeds go to his family or a major charity. It would be true to D. Adams form for him to hate having unfinished stuff printed. The motive of the publishing company should be questioned.

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    1. Re:Yuch .. by aka-ed · · Score: 1
      The money will most definitely go to his estate. Generally, authors who have sold a great many books tend to have lawyers work these things out. Adams was not an idiot.

      By the same token, Adams certainly knew that the process of writing could be permanently interrupted at any moment. Unless he was not just an idiot, but a moron, he appointed a literary executor who was well-acquainted with his wishes.

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  32. Mixed feelings.... by The-Zaphod · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have to say, I have mixed feelings on this. On the one hand, a devoted Adams fan, I look forward to reading anything that he wrote. Being that this is a "unfinished" peice of work, is a little insulting, (wrong word but cant think of what to use) and at the same time, seeing as i cried when I read that he had passed. I want to read it, to see a little bit of the raw material that he worked with, to help get a little closer to the man who agonised over every word to ensure that I the reader would love it like the last.

    No matter what form, or shape this is in, I am sure it will be a enjoyable read and will earn its place in my libarary, not for the actual words on the paper, but for the dedication and commitment to his fans.

    Zaphod
    (since 1979)

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    "No A Zaphod, didn't you hear we come in 6 Packs Now"
  33. Aha! by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 5, Funny
    http://www.galactic-guide.com/articles/2U13.html

    1. The Answer to the Question is 42.
    2. Marvin, amongst numerous other complaints, claimed to have a brain the size of a planet.
    3. Marvin, like other robots, has a computer-based brain.
    4. The Earth is a planet.
    5. The Earth was built by the mice as a computer, the only such planet or computer ever built.
    6. By (2), (3), (4), and (5), the Earth must therefore be Marvin's brain.
    7. The sole purpose of the Earth's program was to discover the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything.
    8. Marvin once announced that he had, in a moment of boredom, found the square root of -1, something never before done in the history of the universe, and previously believed by all sensible hyper-intelligent beings to be possibly the most difficult task to undertake, as it was dependent on the very structure of the Universe. (Most normally- intelligent beings gave up, dismissing it as impossible.)
    9. Marvin announced that he felt a brief, but deep, sense of satisfaction after having accomplished the achievement in (8).
    10. The Earth was apparently destroyed just as the purpose of its program was fulfilled, and a Question had been found.
    11. By (7), the Earth computer would have felt a deep sense of satisfaction at having achieved the task it was designed to fulfil.
    12. By (10), the sensation in (11) would have been brief.
    13. By (6), and by the fact that emotional feelings are based in the brain, the feelings in (9), (11) and (12) are the same single feeling.
    14. Finding the Ultimate Question was deemed to be the single most difficult task undertaken by hyper-intelligent beings in the history of the universe, as it was dependant on the very structure of the Universe -- as well as Life and Everything.
    15. By (6), (8), (13), and (14), Marvin (the Earth) had clearly solved the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything.
    16. By (8) and (15), the Question is "What is the square root of -1?".
    17. By (1) and (16), the square root of -1 is 42.
    Pretty obvious, in hindsight...

    -grendel drago
    --
    Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
    1. Re:Aha! by VA+Software · · Score: 1

      If (6) is true, then how did Marvin go on functioning after the Earth was destroyed by the Vogons?

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    2. Re:Aha! by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 1

      Change ``is the'' to ``is a/an''.

      -grendel drago

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      Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
    3. Re:Aha! by knarf · · Score: 2
      The only problem of course being that...
      1. Planet Earth was Marvin the Robot's brain
      2. Planet Earth was destroyed...
      3. Marvin was around after the destruction of Planet Earth to tell us all about it...
      4. Robots generally don't like to speak without the assistance of a brain. They usually just play dead.
      5. Marvin was a robot
      6. Marvin spoke
      7. by (6), Marvin had a brain, if only an electronic one.
      8. by (7), Planet Earth could not be Marvin's brain.
      9. By (1-8), it all falls down and the question still remains...
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    4. Re:Aha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only "is the" is in

      16 By (8) and (15), the Question is "What is the square root of -1?".

      Changing it to

      16 By (8) and (15), the Question is "What is a square root of -1?".

      doesn't answer the poster's question.

    5. Re:Aha! by shogun · · Score: 2

      Quite easily, you've seen many people living seemingly normal lives today with no brains, in fact Marvin was practicing law as a sideline after that point.

    6. Re:Aha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm an idiot. Mea culpa.

      Change ``Earth must therefore be Marvin's brain'' to ``Marvin's brain is therefore an Earth''.

      Happy now?

      -grendel drago

    7. Re:Aha! by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 2

      You're assuming that Earth was unique, the only one of its kind built.

      If we assume that it simply requires **a** brain the size of a planet, not **the** brain the size of a planet that Arthur Dent lived on, the argument holds.

      -grendel drago

      --
      Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
    8. Re:Aha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      5 The Earth was built by the mice as a computer, the only such planet or computer ever built.

    9. Re:Aha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Number (5) confirms just that assumption.

      And if Marvin's brain wasn't the Earth, then Marvin wouldn't have found the ultimate question to life the universe and everything, because that was the Earth's program.

    10. Re:Aha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh come on, D.A. himself refutes this with the construction of Earth Mark II in... does anyone remember which book it was? Slartibartfast finally got to put fjords on Africa.

      Where in the canon does it state that the Earth was the only planetary computer? Was that just an invention of the compiler of that list?

      -grendel drago

    11. Re:Aha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See here.

    12. Re:Aha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know. I was going to bring that up too.

      The whole argument is based on it though ... if Marvin's brain isn't the Earth, then Marvin won't know the question. The Earth was programmed to find the question, not any other Earth (except the unfinished Earth Mark II)

      It's a shakey argument ... don't mean DA didn't have an explanation though ... I guess we'll find out next year. Maybe.

    13. Re:Aha! by servo8 · · Score: 1

      Earth Mark II was in the first book, but the mice cancelled it once they found Arthur.

      However, it should be noted that since Earth is in a Plural sector, there are a potentially infinite number of Earths (see for reference books 4 and 5). The vogons eventually used the Guide mark II to destroy all of the earths, but by this time Marvin was already dead.

    14. Re:Aha! by tp9674 · · Score: 1

      5. The Earth was built by the mice as a computer, the only such planet or computer ever built

      The whole argument relies on the fact that the earth is unique - hence there can't be another one.
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    15. Re:Aha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They destory all the earths along the probability axis of the plural zone. There's an infinite improbability drive not doing much in the storyline. Presumably, if it's an infinite improbability drive, it could reconsititute earth from the infinitely improbable. Also, in the description of the earth-ending, it sounds like it's taking proper time for the wavefront to propogate along the probability axis - the higher probability earths are described as going first, with the lower probability earths going in successsion. So, assuming both the proper time along the probability axis and the axis itself are infinite, it will take an infinite amount of axis-proper-time to destroy ALL the earths - so the infinite improbability drive should be able to fly to one of the lower-probability earths, no bother. Then the dolphins can bring it back, since they managed to shuffle a copy of the earth around before.

      Apart from anything else, Fenchurch isn't accounted for. The vogons needed _all_ inhabitants of earth present and accounted for to ensure destruction at every point on the axis. Fenchurch wasn't there. Thus, there's at least one earth-copy milling about somewhere.

      And, time travel. Even if the vogons were engaged in temporal reverse engineering, so were the alternate-universe (where Zaphod is the most important being) Guide editors. The vogons were the Guide editors in the original universe, but who knows whether they ever made it in the alternat? Or vice-versa. Did they ever leave the alternate?

    16. Re:Aha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the dolphins pulled in an Earth from another dimension when the original was destroyed. Therefore Marvin would have a brain and only suffered a momentary lapse - impossible to tell from his normal "fugue" state.

    17. Re:Aha! by Scooter · · Score: 1

      hmm thats great but 6 is invalid. Just because Marvin's brain was the "size of a planet" doesn't mean it had to be a planet, and even if that were so, it doesn't have to be the Earth - the previous rules 1-5 do not state whether the earth was the only planet/computer.

      Mind you - the whole plot was based on deliberatley unlikely premises for comedic purposes, so perhaps you are right, and somewhere it will turn out that the only planet sized brain is the earth....

      Then again - why didn't Marvin lose his marbles when his brain was flattened to make way for an intergalactic bypass?

    18. Re:Aha! by Scooter · · Score: 1

      This was why Slashdot was created :) - I put it to you that CmdrTaco is in fact, a mouse.

    19. Re:Aha! by Tardigrade · · Score: 1

      Maybe the other computer/planet was built by squirrels.

    20. Re:Aha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well earth was supposed to find the question leading to 42, not 42 itself (since that much is already known, 42 that is). In your reasoning Marvin found the answer to the square root of -1, which is not a question, but an answer.

      Finally earth was destroyed minutes before the question was found, so that deep sence of satisfaction was never really felt, putting a final wrench in that almost totaly incorrect proof.

      Oh well...

    21. Re:Aha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The 16th item seems to need a correction:

      From (8) and (15) follows that the Question is the square root of -1. Note the difference: the Question is not "What is the square root of -1", but the square root of -1 itself is the Question.

      i?

    22. Re:Aha! by thempstead · · Score: 1

      Marvin had "a" brain the size of a planet ... but he could just as well have had a second brain the size of a walnut that kept him functioning after the Earth was destroyed ... kinda like having a multiprocessor box running on only one processor (admittedly a 6mhz 286 with an AthlonXP 1900+) as after all he was a robot...

      t

    23. Re:Aha! by Stonan · · Score: 1

      Interesting, but that's based on logic and if there's one things Adams showed us it's that logic is worth a pair of fetted dingo's kidneys.

      The question *IMHO)is more like - "How many quantum desions are we off of an utopian society?"

      --
      The GEEK shall inherit the earth...
    24. Re:Aha! by Bobo+the+Space+Chimp · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Some 10 year olds still have no sense of propriety, and believe Spiderman could beat the Hulk in a fight.

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      I am for the complete Trantorization of Earth.
    25. Re:Aha! by Bobo+the+Space+Chimp · · Score: 1

      I heartily concurr. By saying "a brain the size of a planet", he was speaking metaphorically, as if a human or other bipedal species would need a brain the size of a planet to be as smart as him.

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      I am for the complete Trantorization of Earth.
    26. Re:Aha! by DrummingDork86 · · Score: 1

      That WOULD explain....nothing to me as I am a loser newbie! FLAME ME!!! No, really, that does make sense. However, that would mean that all of us are mice, unbeknownst to *some*. (Or not..Whatever...)

      --
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  34. Okay... by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 3, Informative

    Instead of asking ``who the fuck is Ernest P. Worrel'', I'm sparing everyone else the trouble. He's that damned annoying ``Ernest Goes to Camp''/``Ernest Goes to Africa''/``Ernest Goes to Eroticon Six'' guy, played my Jim Varley.

    http://us.imdb.com/Mlinks?0119068

    That sort of thing.

    -grendel drago

    --
    Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
    1. Re:Okay... by Dephex+Twin · · Score: 1
      Instead of asking ``who the fuck is Ernest P. Worrel'', I'm sparing everyone else the trouble. He's that damned annoying ``Ernest Goes to Camp''/``Ernest Goes to Africa''/``Ernest Goes to Eroticon Six'' guy, played my Jim Varley.


      Jim Varney actually, and he was the star of those movies (past tense). He died of cancer in 2000 at age 50.
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      If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe. -- Carl Sagan
    2. Re:Okay... by blair1q · · Score: 2


      And, once you get the joke, you realize he was incomparably brilliant.

      --Blair

  35. But...he's DEAD. by Lurkingrue · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I never can understand why people get so upset about "violating the wishes" of the now-dead. The dead shouldn't have rights, for the simple reason that they're not alive.

    As for Mr. Adams, he was a very good writer, and an extremely talented man. He showed quite a bit of intelligence and insight, as well as compassion (I recommend that everyone try to get a copy of Last Chance to See. I think he did a great job of using his fame and talent to do good and have fun.

    When he was alive, by all means, one should have shown him complete respect for his work and his rights. Treat him the way you'd want to be treated.

    But, the fact of the matter is, now he's dead. You can't embarrass him, make him happy, cause him grief or indignation. You can't because he simply...isn't anymore. And, the fact is, there are people out there who are alive, who do want to read this. Why shouldn't they be allowed to, when doing so hurts absolutely nobody?

    I'm sure some people will see this as flamebait, but seriously, many of the big problems in modern society revolve around un-dying "rights" and "wishes" -- be it of corporations, dead "prophets", or the ability of the very rich to pass on their inheritance to those who did nothing to earn it...Do we really need to devote any more "respect" to the non-existent when there are so many that could benefit (albeit in a very small way in this case) by considering the living?

    If someone wants to show respect to the memory of Douglas Adams by not reading this unfinished material, that's their business -- personally I'd rather show people respect while they're alive and can appreciate it, rather than by making empty and useless gestures after they're dust.

    1. Re:But...he's DEAD. by verbatim · · Score: 2

      Yes, but you can tarnish the memory.

      Legally you can also cause ingury to the estate by releasing an unautorized/unfinished work. The work of Douglas Adams should be remembered as HE left it. Not some revisonist history where we strive to get a peek at what might have been.

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      Price, Quality, Time. Pick none. What, you thought you had a choice?
    2. Re:But...he's DEAD. by FleshWound · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's called respect.

    3. Re:But...he's DEAD. by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1
      Yes, but you can tarnish the memory.

      Yes, but it's to you if you want to risk tarnishing your memory of him. And it's up to you to remember him how you want to. They're your memories, you choose how they go.
      If you don't want to risk it. Don't read the book.

    4. Re:But...he's DEAD. by HoldmyCauls · · Score: 1

      Put it to you this way...

      Is it OK with you if my family and I carve flesh from your carcase and live off that for a while? Because that would help us to survive, since only those who are still alive need to do that, and you wouldn't be using your earthly body anymore.

      Why should intellect and worldly wealth be any different from one's own physical presence?

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      Emacs: for people who just never know when to :q!
    5. Re:But...he's DEAD. by Lurkingrue · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Is it OK with you if my family and I carve flesh from your carcase and live off that for a while? Because that would help us to survive, since only those who are still alive need to do that, and you wouldn't be using your earthly body anymore.

      Uhhh -- sure, go right ahead. I'd think that, if it was truly a matter of survival, you should (Donner party, anyone?). Honestly, I don't really care what happens to my body after I'm dead (unless there's a reasonable chance for reanimation, in which case, I'd prefer you wait a bit).

      If you're into cannibalism (which, I'd advise against on the basis of medical grounds), you're welcome to your meal.

      People with fewer illogical qualms often donate their bodies to science, which -- IMO -- is equally practical and thoughtful as providing food to the hungry.

    6. Re:But...he's DEAD. by HoldmyCauls · · Score: 1

      People with fewer illogical qualms often donate their bodies to science, which -- IMO -- is equally practical and thoughtful as providing food to the hungry.

      Sure, which is great for any of them and I wouldn't have any problem doing it, either (assuming science had a use for my body which wouldn't have sounded disturbing to me while I was alive). What I *should* have said was that if Adams did have a problem with his work being published after his passing on, that should be respected. If you did have a problem with your dead body being eaten, I promise you I would respect that (not that I had any actual plans of doing otherwise, mind you). If you can respect someone's religion and where they believe they've gone to when they've past, then you should be able to respect their wishes about how the marks they've made on this world are to be dealt with. If they had no express wishes, you should still deal with them the way you would deal with their body, in knowing as much as you might have about how they felt about it.

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    7. Re:But...he's DEAD. by MulluskO · · Score: 3, Funny

      Thanks to the DMCA, my copyrights will live on long after I die. So the dead do have rights. Copyrights. Forever, or at least into the forseeable forever.

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      Too busy staying alive... ~ R.A.
    8. Re:But...he's DEAD. by JimBobJoe · · Score: 1

      This topic is similar in spirit to the idea of printing a person's diary after they die (a famous person for ease of argument.) In life, they would have some right to privacy, but do they have the same right after death?

      Family and friends may have the right to privacy...since while the dead person may not suffer anguish in having his/her privacy being invaded, friends and family may.

      On the other hand, think about it this way: a peeping tom is (surreptitiously)looking at you getting undressed--is your privacy invaded when he starts looking at you, or when you *realize* he is looking at you. Is your privacy invaded at all if you completely undress and you never realized he looked at you do it? Since a person is dead, and doesn't realize people poking around in their stuff, that could be similar to a person living and not realizing that someone is poking around in their stuff--or looking at them undress...since neither the dead person, nor the live person who doesn't know any better--suffer any emotional anguish.

      On a quick side note...the political argument about the rich giving money to their kids is interesting in that the very rich often figure out ways to get around inheritance taxes, since they have the money to form trusts and lawyers to figure out that sorta thing. It's the not-so-rich who get hammered with them. (Farmers, who are rich by land but not by any other type of wealth, often get screwed here.)

    9. Re:But...he's DEAD. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Care to elaborate? Why is important to respect dead people who obviously don't care either way as opposed to respecting the wishes of many people who want to read his unfinished book?

    10. Re:But...he's DEAD. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "yes but you can tarnish the memory"

      You can also polish it up a bit too. For all we know, this book could be a master piece. If you don't want to read it and alter your memory, fine. I would like to read it.

      You can interpret it as you will... decide to read it or not... take it with a grain of salt. The point is why shouldn't the story be released now that he's no more. He's dead. He couldn't care less.

    11. Re:But...he's DEAD. by Erik+from+Breda · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you do not care about how you are remembered when you are dead, but that does not mean that other people do not care either. Many people spend their lives making a name for themselves, to be remembered, to leave a legacy. These people do care what happens after they are dead. I guess it has to do with a longing for immortality.
      You may agree with this or not, but since many people do seem to care, informal rules have been established to make it possible to have some control over one's legacy: "I will respect some else's wishes for when they're dead, hoping that others will do the same for me."
      So if you say, that you see no need to honour Mr. Adam's wishes, you break the system. And as long as the majority of the people want the system, I consider it selfish to want to break it.

    12. Re:But...he's DEAD. by S810 · · Score: 1

      I like the way you think Son.

      --
      "I think you know what I'm talkin' about, Mr. President; We're gonna kill us a mummy!" - Bruce Campbell as Elvis Presley
    13. Re:But...he's DEAD. by daviddennis · · Score: 2

      Do you really think that's realistic for such a beloved author? I really doubt Adams was capable of writing something that would upset his fans or cause offence.

      At least other than Mostly Harmless. The sad thing about MH is that I really thought he was at the top of his form humour-wise - until the overtly depressing end.

      Other than that, though, I don't expect to see something, say, covered with bigoted rants that would destroy his image. I think his future is secure no matter what of his writing is released.

      D

    14. Re:But...he's DEAD. by SEE · · Score: 2

      Sure, but be sure the doctors got all my transplantable organs out first. And pay my family $0.15 a pound, please.

  36. I don't know... by verbatim · · Score: 2

    I don't know if I'd enjoy reading an unfinished book. I think the Dune series did something similar where the son of the author took some unfinished manuscripts and churned out House Atradies and House Harkonnen.

    Perhaps someone could provide an ending? A close friend perhaps? Meh.. as long as they did it for reasons other than profitability I think I'd take a look.

    But without an ending... hmmm.. Imagine what the dictionary would be like if you never found out that the zedbra did it!

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    Price, Quality, Time. Pick none. What, you thought you had a choice?
  37. And the moral of the story is... by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 2

    If you don't want your unfinished writings to be exploited after your death (or you're just ashamed to have anyone see them), store 'em in an encrypted volume on your hard drive.

    Just be sure to use a Government Approved backdoored cryptosystem, so the goons don't break your door down looking for terrorists. :-P

    1. Re:And the moral of the story is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice attempt at a +5, Funny.

      Oh, and ALL of your websites (of the ones that don't return a 404 not found) are utterly awful.

      The rest of this comment is "coming soon"

      HAHA HA HA HA!!!

    2. Re:And the moral of the story is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi, gooniebird. We grow weary of your stupid comments. Maybe you could find a community of people that would appreciate you and your rapier wit. I suggest you might meet them at the Special Olympics. You'll have to exlain your +1 Bonus a few times to them, but they'll eventually get it.

  38. The book could still be completed ... by ez76 · · Score: 1

    Given enough monkeys and typewriters ...

    1. Re:The book could still be completed ... by Pope · · Score: 1

      And then Arthur said to Ford: "Who will be with me on Saint Crispin's Day?"

      Oh, bloody hell. Stupid monkeys!

      --
      It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
  39. Open source it! by DaoudaW · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    So he had a bunch different branches, publish it as an Open Source project and lets the readers sort it out / choose the story they want to read. Long live 42!

  40. Re:When they release the movie. by AltGrendel · · Score: 1

    Not really if you consider that they are exploiting the dead, legally, in both instances.

    Flamebait.

    --
    The simple truth is that interstellar distances will not fit into the human imagination

    - Douglas Adams

  41. Re:This is my fifth lifetime posting to slashdot.. by jasonbrown · · Score: 1

    Actually read them all over and over. Even have the fake leather Hitchhiker's Guide to the Universe. Even read Dirk Gently's Detective Holistic Detective Agency series. Funny as hell. But if I just repeated stuff in the book wouldn't I be violating the DMCA or something ;-)

    --

    "Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press"
  42. Multiple Marvin by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, given that Marvin was, at the time of his death, (some two-digit number) of times as old as the universe itself, and had actually waited until The End Of The Universe at one point, you could say that at least one (most likely several) Marvin(s) existed in the universe at that point.

    -grendel drago

    --
    Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
    1. Re:Multiple Marvin by servo8 · · Score: 1

      Interesting. If Marvin time-travels, how does he maintain his connection to the earth? Let us assume for the moment he does, through some marvelous technology (or plot device). What is the mapping between the earth timeline and the Marvin timeline? I suppose that given the infinite number of earths and a presumably finite number of marvins, processing power isn't in question....

  43. Vultures by SumDeusExMachina · · Score: 1
    Can't they just leave the poor man alone? You can't just go and take this guy's unfinished art and publish it to the world, because he had his reasons for not publishing it yet. In most of the writing classes I have taken in the course of my schooling, I have learned that its not only OK but almost expected to have your drafts look and read like absolute shit.

    Taking bits and pieces of a creative process and trying to publish them as a finished product is almost certainly not what Mr. Adams wanted.

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    Is your company running tools written by ma
  44. DON'T READ IT! by thopo · · Score: 1

    Or your good memory of Douglas Adams will get corrupted. Remember Episode 1 ...

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    keep it simple.
    1. Re:DON'T READ IT! by DarthWiggle · · Score: 1

      Remember Episode 1? Yeah, I remember it. Problem is, Uncle George was alive and, erm, well for that one, so we can't even blame it on a ghost writer... *sigh*

  45. Sad by Evro · · Score: 1

    Whenever things of this sort are done, the end result is usually to sully the reputation of the artist. Witness the many posthumous releases of Jimi Hendrix, many of which -- culled from jam sessions and demo tapes -- are awful. I think Hendrix has had between 3 and 5 releases while he was alive, and somewhere in the 10-15 range since his death. They find every scrap they can because they know hardcore Hendrix fans will buy it, but it is generally not that good. I only hope that this last book from Adams doesn't serve to make his previous work look bad.

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    rooooar
  46. cover of DGHDA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a 1988 printing of "Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency" that has the following printed on the front cover:

    "The dazzling bestseller by the author of 'The Salmon of Doubt'"

    This had always puzzled me, as I had never seen TSOD in any bookstores. Perhaps Simon&Schuster began advertising TSOD before Adams had finished writing it?

  47. The Truth from the SF Fandom Grapevine... by farrellj · · Score: 1

    Actually, I have heard in the SF Fandom grapevine that most of these "Written after Death" novels were written by various SF writers still in thrall to Scientology, and published under the name of L. Ron Hubbard to try and create a decent literary legacy. All they did was tarnish it.

    ttyl
    Farrell

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    1. Re:The Truth from the SF Fandom Grapevine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Written by committee, no less...

    2. Re:The Truth from the SF Fandom Grapevine... by kubrick · · Score: 1

      Actually, I have heard in the SF Fandom grapevine that most of these "Written after Death" novels were written by various SF writers still in thrall to Scientology, and published under the name of L. Ron Hubbard to try and create a decent literary legacy. All they did was tarnish it.

      And. considering the work he wrote when he was alive, the fact that they still managed to tarnish his reputation says much about their (lack of) literary talent.

      Or maybe they're some sort of fifth columnists, working to destroy the Co$ from the inside? :)

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      deus does not exist but if he does
  48. Re:Douglas Adams - No Nukes! by bryan1945 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    When a meltdown occurs the fissile material can no longer be kept safely cool. When this happens, the nuclear material will detonate. A nuclear explosion is what happened at Chernobyl, sending radiation over hundreds of miles.

    Ah, bullshit. A meltdown is when the nuclear material gets too hot to control, and then melts through the floor, basically. Nothing man has ever made can contain 5000 degree material. But it will never, ever dentonate because you need extreme pressure to create what is called "critical mass". Fission (current nuke plants) never happen in nature. Fusion (like the sun) only happen in suns. To create a fission bomb (ie. "detonate") requires serious explosives placed in precise places around the fission material. Just making it hot doesn't do shit.

    Also, Chernobyl was NOT, NOT, a nuclear explosion, you ass monkey. It was a pressure explosion caused by an incorrect reactor design, one that the US always knew was a bad design because it could explode like Chernobyl did- and never built a reactor like that one. The Soviets/Russians did because it is a cheaper design. Yes, radiation was spread around, but it was NOT a nuke explosion, and it was caused by a KNOWN bad design.

    You do not know your facts. I would also bet that you are an anti-nuke person, and just bash anyone who is pro-nuke without even learning the facts.

    Bah.

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    Vote monkeys into Congress. They are cheaper and more trustworthy.
  49. easy. by goethean · · Score: 1

    This is not that difficult. Publish the book as "Salmon of Doubt: an unfinished work by the late Douglas Adams". That way, everybody knows that it is unfinished and can think of it as such. Take it for what it is worth.

    If readers are not capable of considering unfinished notes as what they are, then their opinions should not sully Adams' reputation.

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    God is only experiencing itself -- Nisargadatta Maharaj
  50. Unfinished Works by BrianArm · · Score: 5, Informative

    Everyone complaining that the idea of publishing Douglas Adams' unfinished book posthumously seems somehow wrong, might find it interesting that Douglas himself wrote the forward for his own favorite author P. G. Wodehouse's unwished book "Sunset at Blanding". In it he wrote:

    "This is P. G. Wodehouse's last -- and unfinished -- book. It is unfinished not just in the sense that it suddenly, heartbreakingly for those of us who love this man and his work, stops in mid-flow, but in the more important sense that the text up to that point is also unfinished."
    ...
    "Will you, anyway, find much evidence of the great genius of Wodehouse here? Well, to be honest, no."
    ...
    "But you will want to read Sunset for completeness, and for that sense you get, from its unfinishedness, of being suddenly and unexpectedly close to a Master actually at work -- a bit like seeing paint pots and scaffolding being carried in and out of the Sistine Chapel."

    So I don't think Douglas himself would really object to this.

  51. Dead, but his Probate Estate lives on! by DavidBrown · · Score: 2

    It depends on who's releasing the work. Under California law (Douglas Adams was a resident of California when he died), his unfinished work is an asset owned by his estate, which presumably passed to his surviving wife if he died without a will or to the heirs named in his will if he had one.

    Guessing that he left everything to his wife and children, his wife and/or children will own, sooner or later, his unfinished work, and can consent to it's publication. I'd hope that they make money on it.

    On the other hand, if someone other than the executor of the estate or Douglas Adams's successors in interest (the wife and children) were to publish the unfinished work without authorization, then that person could certainly be sued by either the estate or the heirs.

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    1. Re:Dead, but his Probate Estate lives on! by verbatim · · Score: 2

      My point was that when you look at the work of Douglas Adams, you know that HE did it and it was HIS achievement. I'm not saying that I'm not interested in what he had started, but he never finished it - gave it that final polish. It might be the greatest of his works, but it could also be the worst. And what if someone decides to tinker with it before it is released? How do we know that this was genuinely his?

      I'm actually more curious about the movie that was supposedly being worked on. What affect his death has had on any of it's production.

      Just an opinion is all.

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    2. Re:Dead, but his Probate Estate lives on! by DavidBrown · · Score: 1

      You are absolutely right. There's a really good chance that much of the unpublished material from Douglas Adams isn't going to be very good - it's probably the sort of grab-bag off diamonds in the rough that you find while reading JRR Tolkien's posthumous compiliations. I'm not sure there's a single scrap of paper from Tolkien that hasn't been published first

      My point was purely legal, not artistic. The estate or the heirs who inherit it can sell off Douglas Adams's unpublished work.

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  52. Re:Mod this Up! by bryan1945 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    And you, sir, are an idiot. I have copied below my response to the parent post so you may acquire some knowledge.

    When a meltdown occurs the fissile material can no longer be kept safely cool. When this happens, the nuclear material will detonate. A nuclear explosion is what happened at Chernobyl, sending radiation over hundreds of miles.

    Ah, bullshit. A meltdown is when the nuclear material gets too hot to control, and then melts through the floor, basically. Nothing man has ever made can contain 5000 degree material. But it will never, ever dentonate because you need extreme pressure to create what is called "critical mass". Fission (current nuke plants) never happen in nature. Fusion (like the sun) only happen in suns. To create a fission bomb (ie. "detonate") requires serious explosives placed in precise places around the fission material. Just making it hot doesn't do shit.

    Also, Chernobyl was NOT, NOT, a nuclear explosion, you ass monkey. It was a pressure explosion caused by an incorrect reactor design, one that the US always knew was a bad design because it could explode like Chernobyl did- and never built a reactor like that one. The Soviets/Russians did because it is a cheaper design. Yes, radiation was spread around, but it was NOT a nuke explosion, and it was caused by a KNOWN bad design.

    You do not know your facts. I would also bet that you are an anti-nuke person, and just bash anyone who is pro-nuke without even learning the facts.

    Bah.

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  53. Re:Mod this Up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing man has ever made can contain 5000 degree material

    Actually, a very powerful, spinning, magnetic field can contain molten metal. It needs to be much _more_ powerful than a field for either solid metal or plasma, but it can be done. Plasmas are relatively easy to contain, so long as you're not simultaneously trying to fuse them, since they're charged particles.

  54. a proposed ending by RestiffBard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have to say that I think I have the perfect ending, one that Douglas Adams would appreciate.

    If I was the editor it would end thusly in mid-sentence.

    "...sadly the author of this work is now dead and no one knows what the question is."

    and then like 42 blank pages. i would laugh my ass off at that I think Douglas would as well.

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  55. If I ever become a famous author . . . by Iainuki · · Score: 1

    I will encrypt all my files and if someone tries to enter the wrong password, my computer will be programmed to write random data on the hard drive until someone pulls the plug. If I know I'm going to die ahead of time, I'll find a 10 T magnet, pass my hard drives through that, and then burn them.

    There's a reason why these manuscripts haven't been published when the author dies: they're not finished. There may be rare exceptions, where the author is approaching a final draft and dies unexpectedly, but usually publishing these unfinished works is a disservice to the author's record. I suspect in many cases it is scumming for cash by the people who get the rights in the authors' estate.

    1. Re:If I ever become a famous author . . . by spudnic · · Score: 1

      I would do the same thing. Unfortunately, nobody would bother looking through my stuff, so I don't have to worry about it.

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  56. It's Fiction... by suprslackr420 · · Score: 1

    so the question is dependent on:
    1)Mr. Adams's whimsy.
    -Try not to take things so seriously.

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    1. Re:It's Fiction... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's absurd. Life, The Universe, and Everything can never be purely fiction - it would make far too much sense that way. Whimsy is as much reality - in fact possibly more so - as everything you see around you... so live a little.

  57. Can I get a signed copy please by danonb · · Score: 1

    A train stops at a train station. A bus stops at a bus station. On my desk I have a work station

    1. Re:Can I get a signed copy please by spudnic · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and I guess I'll never be able to complete my "Read by the author" collection of HH books on mp3.

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  58. They should do the film instead! by uweber · · Score: 1

    I think instead of publishing some unfinished book which probably was far from done, after all Mr. Adams was working on a HHGTTG film. Instead they should get the film project rolling again and maybe get one of the Monty Python dudes do it, after all Terry Jones (Director of Live of Brian) already wrote the book to Starship Titanic so he knows how Douglas thought rather well. But as it is those bastards will go for the easy money instead .

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  59. Old news by biglig2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you wathc the on-line recordings of DNA's memorial service, his literary agent explained that:
    a) salmon of doubt was extremely unfinished (to be precise, it's not a case of only being half of a book, it's a case of what there is being early drafts from a writer who did many many many revisions of his work) but that even so...
    b) ...they intended to include it in a forthcoming collection of his non-book-published work (journalism etc.) simply because the fanatics would demand it.

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  60. To be read without expectations by Cujo · · Score: 1

    I'll read it, but with no hope of a neat ending of a neat anything, for that matter. We know that DNA labored on SoD for years before setting it aside, so while it unlikely to be entirely satisfactory (neither was Mostly Harmless, IMO), it should be fun for those who followed Adams' work and career and admire the Hitchiker Series.

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  61. Are you a moron or what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By (1) and (16), the square root of -1 is 42

    Incorrect, you can't have a square root of a minus number. Anyway, 42 is the square root of 1764.

    1. Re:Are you a moron or what? by notsoanonymouscoward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      so if 42 == sqrt(-1) && 42 == sqrt(1764) then 1764 == -1 or sqrt isn't the function we all thought it was. Who knows, maybe we live in a base 1765 universe.

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    2. Re:Are you a moron or what? by MulluskO · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Sugar Act. Parliament, desiring revenue from its North American colonies, passed the first law specifically aimed at raising colonial money for the Crown. The act increased duties on non-British goods shipped to the colonies.

      Currency Act. This act prohibited American colonies from issuing their own currency, angering many American colonists.

      Of course! these events in 1764 are the base of American colonial opposition!

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    3. Re:Are you a moron or what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, yes you can.

      sqrt(-1) == i

      ergo, 42 is an imaginary number.

    4. Re:Are you a moron or what? by wackybrit · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      So the USA used the British pound once? That's scary.

    5. Re:Are you a moron or what? by Bobo+the+Space+Chimp · · Score: 1

      That was back when a pound could buy an entire island. It's worth a lil' bit more than a dollar now, down what, 8-fold from the early part of this century alone?

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  62. I hope Adams would want this published by bryan1945 · · Score: 2

    I would hate to know that he would be pissed to find out that an incomplete work was being published.

    There, that's on topic.

    I can't believe my previous post was modded off-topic, I respond to someone who talks about Adams (meaning I'm talking about Adams' beliefs), but I get modded down?

    Time to include an IQ test to allow moderation privledges.

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  63. The Old "Atheism is Amoral" Canard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    So, your firmware reads:

    if (Omnipotent_Bearded_Cranky_White_Guy->Exists)
    Value (Others);
    else
    Screw (Others);

    I ask, who has more virtue: the person who does good because "daddy" is looking, or the person who does good simply because he/she knows it is right?

  64. Re:Open source it! [Not off-topic] by DaoudaW · · Score: 3, Funny

    Since I got modded Off-topic on my first attempt I'll risk another point or two of karma and try again for a (score:3, Funny).

    He would take it and then revise it repeatedly so there were many files. "As soon as he wrote anything he would say, 'Oh, God that's terrible'. He was a very, very self-critical author and so had a lot of trouble writing. He was a perfectionist." Which sounds like so many Open Source projects which never make it to rel. 1.0. If we could set it up as an Open Source project, we'd have a chance of getting to 1.0 in maybe 3 or 4 years.

  65. Let's throw these out.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Earth: Final Conflict
    Andromeda

    Two things I think Gene Roddenberry held out on for a couple of reasons...

    I am very large fan of Mr. Adams' writings. At best, publish them as they were found. At worst...let the man rest.

  66. Pascal's wager is flawed... by D_Gr8_BoB · · Score: 1

    Its fails to consider the possibility that God might punish people for their belief in Him.
    "Why on earth did you believe in me? You had no evidence!"

  67. Re:Nice Troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    serious discusion.... yes... that's why you all rant about Microsoft, (generalisation but I'm trolling ^_^)... I propose BSD in it's many free flavours... oh wait BSD is in Windows...

  68. Can't be Hitchhiker's.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ....it has to be a Dirk Gently book. The fifth HHGTTG book ended in a way that did not leave the series open for another sequel. I do remember reading that he was writing a third DG novel, though.

  69. May he rest in peace. by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 1

    He will be sorely missed. I'll have to get me a copy of that book when it becomes available.

  70. i'm in. by jpellino · · Score: 1

    half- finished dna has to be better than perfected much else.

    he's made me laugh so hard i've had to lie down to catch my breath and had to excuse myself from a meeting once remembering something of his i'd read the week before.

    plus, he knows just how hard a ghost has to work to get something done - he can haunt us if he wants.

    alan kay - are you scanning /. - any insights?

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  71. HH not a series.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hitchhiker's guide isn't a series of books.. It is properly referred to as a trilogy. Don't ask why.. just accept it.

  72. Why not hire Terry Jones? by UberG�ber · · Score: 1

    He did a smash up job of writing Starship Titanic for Adams, why not have him finish this one too?

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  73. Donate My Organs, Cremate My Laptop by campgod · · Score: 1
    Perhaps Penn Jillette had the right idea: Donate My Organs, Cremate My Laptop

    Unless you side with the Kafka folks, it's a good way to eliminate grief.

  74. Very sad indeed. by MrDalliard · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The fact that Adams didn't publish any of this, because he thought it wasn't right, says a lot, I think. This just seems like a way of cashing in .

    I personally, think that it shouldn't be published. If Adams wasn't happy with it, then his wish should have been respected.

    This reminds me of when Freddie Mercury died, and all of a sudden a whole pile of Queen records got released. Most of them were pants. If they hadn't been released, it was for a good reason.

    Very sad indeed. This shouldn't just be an excuse to cash in.

    1. Re:Very sad indeed. by CamelTrader · · Score: 1

      This is very true. When Adams was asked what he was writing on he basically said that he was writing a book and it could turn into any number of things (A hitch hikers book, a dirk gently book, a different bok or a tuna sandwich) and could everyone please stop asking him about it.

      I feel like Adams hadn't published this for a reason, and I don't think they can really call it a douglas adams book. Maybe a sort of "some notes that DNA had on his computer" or something.

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  75. Anyone else thinks... by ericvids · · Score: 1

    ... that "Salmon of Doubt" sounds too fishy?

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  76. Hmm, good reasons... by Fishd · · Score: 1
    /agree with other posters here, if he wanted to have published it, he would have done... from his comments in interviews etc I seriously doubt he was actively working on a new HHGTTG book... Anyone who reads the fifth book should see he was doing everything possible (and most things probable) to kill off the characters so there would never be another book and people would stop asking him about it!

    In my opinion, if the person / persons die before releasing something to the public at large, then unreleased material should stay that way, pass it down through the family for gods sake... keep something unique belonging to your grandad/granma.

    Personally, I think thats what should have been done with Earth: Final Conflict and perhaps Andromeda too... although it does mean we get to see the yummy Lexa Doig, and that can't be bad.

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    1. Re:Hmm, good reasons... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think Andromeda was more of a sketchy idea than anything remotely close to finished... I certainly don't think Rodenberry wrote two seasons worth of scripts for it....

  77. So Who Manages the Estate Anyway?? by sdijkstra · · Score: 1

    If his wife/daughter/puppy receive the proceeds, isn't it very likely that Mr. Adams would have wanted them to publish his work, especially since their loss was so sudden and tragic?

    As for all the fans -including myself: I personally believe that anyone who is truly a Douglas Adams fan won't hesitate for a second if he/she sees the Salmon of Doubt in a local bookstore.

    Hell, I won't that's for sure.

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  78. Re:Douglas Adams - No Nukes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You've oversimplified:

    You do not need any 'pressure' to assemble a critical mass. As is demonstrated every day in nuclear power plants, critical mass is mainly dependent on geometry and environment (moderator good, absorbers bad, M'kay?).

    Heres the critical distinction:

    For a bomb, you need a 'prompt critical' configuration. Prompt means you have at least enough neutrons immediately released in each fission to sustain a steady/increasing chain reaction. This is how you achieve so much energy very quickly (before your material blows itself apart or melts, etc.).

    This requires hasty assembly (and that is where explosives are useful), as a cosmic ray (or your intentional neutron source) can start an ordinary 'slow' chain reaction before you've got your intended prompt supercritical mass assembled. I.e., instead of a boom, you get a fizzle and maybe a pool of molten uranium/plutonium.

    But I heartily agree that most anti-nuclear zealots would do well to do a little research. For some reason the bar is set much lower to denounce something than creditably support it.

  79. Re:This is my fifth lifetime posting to slashdot.. by 42forty-two42 · · Score: 1

    You're posting now, right?

  80. Adams comment from MIT visit by adienne · · Score: 1

    I'm a student at MIT, and Douglas Adams spoke here last year. He was awesome, with witty commentary on many different issues. He spoke precisely with the slightly sarcastic tone of his writing, and I enjoyed it very much. I was fortunate to have my towel signed.

    But anyway, my point: He mentioned the unfinished 6th Hitchhiker's Guide book, and noted that it was not a priority to him and that he didn't like it because he started it at a sad time in his life, so it was more gloomy than he would have liked it to be. So that's why it's been unfinished for so long. I'm anxious to read what's there, though. He also mentioned that the 6th would be the final hitchhiker's guide book. And now, sadly, it most certainly will be.

  81. not for me by geekoid · · Score: 2

    I, for one, will never purchase a book that has been published after an authors death.
    clearly an attempt by his estate to make a few bucks from fans who miss the author, and what the author had contributed to there lives.

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  82. Living rights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Douglas Adams may be dead, but there is a rather large number of people around that aren't. The six billion of us still kicking include his family, his friends, his collaborators, and a big whack of people who don't want to see his work and his memory sullied by the publication of his unfinished works. If he'd wanted it published, it would have been published.

    What about the rights of those of us who hold Douglas Adams dear to our hearts?

  83. OT- Re:The Old "Atheism is Amoral" Canard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I ask, who has more virtue: the person who does good because "daddy" is looking, or the person who does good simply because he/she knows it is right?

    It sounds like you are implying that deists only do good deeds because they fear divine tribution. You'll probably tell me that I'm reading too much into it, so I'll let it pass.

    Instead, I ask, "who the fuck cares"? To whom does this "virtue" matter?

    If I give food to the homeless to take a few bucks off of my taxes, do you think the person who receives the food gives a rat's ass for my "virtue"? Do I care what you think about my donation? No.

    Blah

  84. Death and the Writer by Stormy+Henderson · · Score: 1

    Why do published writers write? There is fame and fortune. And the desire to entertain, to make readers happy. To feel that you have given someone a chance, for a few hours, to live another life, to be another person.

    If, after my death, the publication of my unfinished work makes even one person happy, I will rest in peace.

  85. I am near-certain that I was right about this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was with a great deal of elation that I read this.A sixth book from DA is a possibility that is almost too good to be true,considering that the man seems to be taking some time dead for tax purposes.(I can only hope.)
    I am elated not only because of the anticipation of reading it, but at the prospect of finally being proven correct! It was my assertion,after reading Mostly Harmless,that the great DA was setting the stage for a sixth book. In HHGTTG Arthur makes the statement,"I wish I had a daughter so I could forbid her to marry one." in ref. to his recent education on Vogons. In Mostly Harmless, Arthur now has a daughter and *big surprise* the Vogon captain,Prostetnic is back.Will this be a plot element in Salmon? The evidence seems to point in that direction,and so for once in my life, I may have actually made a valid assertion.Who would have guessed?