The thing about Flash though is there are some people who have stuck with it and made some really cool tools/products/games with it (everything from C64 emulators to word processors not to mention tons of games - some of which are quite complex) using a serious dev toolkit like Flash Builder.
Hopefully this kind of tool inspires someone to dig deeper and pick something up something a bit deeper like the Android SDK
In the year and a half I had the phone they released a whopping total of two updates for the thing which fixed a grand total of nothing. They aren't releasing stuff for it bi-monthly.
The phone is still buggy as hell and clunky for its price.
Having actually done telemarketing (only for a month - couldn't stand it) the managers there *freaked out* over any call that lasted more than a minute - not even kidding - they came unglued doubly so when there was no sale.
One of them explained to me they had a special agreement with the phone company where the initial part of the call was cheap, but went up over time (not sure if they do this in the UK) - so a 2-3 minute call would cost them a lot more than normal. Home long distance services its the reverse - the call price goes down the longer you stay on.
So yes - wasting their time really does piss them off to no end.
Same - doing a google search it shows there's only one other person in this country with the same exact name as me, but luckily he's a semi-famous architect.
True story too - when I got my gmail account I got first initial, last name - while I get a ton of email for people who think that my address is there address, I also get a lot of his fan-mail.
I did level 1 technical support for a big software company (here in the US no less) for a number of years. The amount of information I had on anyone who called was always surprising to me (credit card numbers, what purchases you've made etc etc). The amount of information I could glean from customers just by asking was just as shocking (some of it was required for us to ask! - like collecting a credit card number for a billable case). I'm surprised actually we haven't seen more identity theft because of this.
I'm no Symbian apologist (see my other posts on here) but it does let you run unsigned apps from any source, the OS itself is completely open - sounds like iPhones to me are far more locked down.
If you search Google for nokia ovi maps c:\ installation problem you'll literally find hundreds of posts on official and non-official boards of people complaining about it. Its hardly a fringe issue. Maybe its something they fixed on the N97 mini? It did have more core memory...
Also Nokia themselves sent out a utility to help free up space on c:\ - I think its fair to say they admit there is a problem.
Why is it that the Nokia fanboys always base their experience off their friend or girlfriend. Trust me - if you had one of these phones you wouldn't be happy. My n97 is honestly the only phone I could say was worse than a Windows mobile phone (N97 and my WinMo phone - only phones I had to occasionally take the battery out to reset).
All the games used to be on ngage - and that failed miserably. You certainly have a revisionist bit of history there - they aren't competitively priced. My N97 was a 600 dollar phone - cost more than any iPhone or Android, and I think I speak from experience that while it could do everything that the iPhone and Android phones can do (I have a Nexus One now) but much more slowly and was much less reliable.
Actually yes - the iPhone believe it or not is not available in huge parts of this world (and even parts of the USA - you still can't use one in huge chunks of the Oregon coast - no AT&T sevice). It does this via carrier lockin - no facial recognition needed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJpEuMidcSU - is about as true as it gets. As someone who had the various n95 models reading about the n97 sounded like a dream come true - so I bought it the day it came out:/. Yes it can do everything the iPhone can do - or even Android (it even has features that Android doesn't have - like copying files over bluetooth) but they are all unusable or extremely clunky.
It had a webkit based browser, flashlite etc etc (so a good chunk of websites looked ok on it) - but was slow as hell (you often had to wait for the thing to download the entire site, and render it before even navigating around), had memory issues (128 megs o ram...) and loads of other issues documented in the video. When Ovi Maps came out for free on the device I couldn't even install it without clearing up space because it would only install to c:\ (yes for those who don't know - Symbian has dos style drive names) and not to the 32 gig partition it boasts (which asides from apps you download yourself only gets used for Music and pictures).
Nokia would have to give me a new phone before I'd own another - and that says a lot for someone who has a box under my bed full of these things.
Now days I use a Nexus One and it is literally 2-3 generations down the line from the BEST Nokia has to offer - the browser is also just as fast as the one on my PC's destkop. The only thing bad about it - it has a bit worse battery life than the N97, but that is honestly getting better with Froyo.
This is akin to the "all puppies are lovely act" - anyone who doesn't vote yes on it is a communist.
Seriously - doesn't California have bigger problems to tackle? It really is a testament to how broken government is when the only thing they can pass is a change to the state rock.
Consumers have more computer choice now than they had in 1995 or 2000. This sounds like a solution looking for a problem that is already fixed/diappearing.
I personally don't think so - in 1993-94 you could buy a Commodore Amiga 4000 brand new and it was a good computer for what people did back then (I could browse the net, dial bbs's, be creative etc). I loved that machine and as I recall you had NextStep, SGI, Sun, Microsoft, Apple and a lot of other vendors who were struggling to hold onto what little marketshare they fought for in the late 80's early 90's.
Today for all intents and purposes when I go to the local computer shop - its Microsoft and Apple - the rest of those companies are pretty much gone or in the case of Sun Micro a shadow of what they were at one point.
Zero - I have yet to see an iPhone 4 directly in person - I've just watched the videos where people grip it in such a way that it loses its signal apparently. The placement of the antennas this actually does make some sense.
Ok sorry:) I probably shouldn't have said "has always been legal". I do know when I first got into the hobby in 91 the mantra for years in the community was that it was totally illegal no ifs ands or buts. I probably should have said for the last 20 years.
I was in fact chastised at a field day for even suggesting the idea that I call the pizza place and have them bring something out and that was in the late 90's.
Also - I'd almost bet money if I did try to order a pizza (or something) on the local repeater today someone would complain.
I expect the signal to vary when I touch the phone - that's a given. I remember when doing amateur radio as a child there was a calculated (and sometimes very noticeable) gain loss when a handheld radio came in close proximity with the human body - and most of these radios had really really efficient antennas compared to most cell phones.
I think with the iPhone 4 - the issue is if you have particularly sweaty hands (which I do) they can short the two antennas and increase the swr so much it effectively knocks the signal out *completely*. When putting the piece of tape over the gap solves the issue I think its more of a design flaw than common problem. I had a rubber antenna for some handheld radio that had a short in it once - you couldn't hear hardly anything unless the transmitter was right on top of you.
In the link you have there - the Nexus 1 owner/author admits that the signal doesn't go completely away - it still lets you make a phone call.
My Rev 2 Nexus 1 (the one made for AT&T/Telus) this issue occurs, but in most cases its not a big deal (maybe 10-20 db - if that). I had the same issue on my Nokia N97 too.
And yet the iPhone has changed its hardware to be significantly better 4 times. And each time it's been way ahead of any Android devices. The current one has a display that is far higher resolution than any Android device, has a far better camera than any Android device, and has a gyroscope, which none of the Android devices has.
My nexus one came out 5-6 months ago and has a 800x480 display - the iPhone 4 came out 3 weeks ago and has a 960x640 display - that's not "far higher". Plus when the Nexus One came out its display actually was 2x higher res than the top of the line iPhone 3GS.
Gyroscope is interesting, but I can probably live without it - plus I think between gps, accelerometer and the digital compass the nexus one can do many of the same things for productivity. I hated the motion controls for game, but I admit playing jenga with the orbit sensor might be fun - but that is honestly something the compass and the accelerometer can simulate.
Plus there's nothing stopping HTC/Motorola/Samsung/Sony (any number of 30+ other android manufacturers) from adding these things - they are after all off the shelf components.
Ordering a pizza has always been legal to do over the radio - many people misinterpret the rule here. If the ham radio operator himself has a fiduciary interest in operating the radio (for example - dispatching pizza delivery people for his/her own company) that is a no no - however if there is no fiduciary interest (like a 3rd party person on the phone you have no relationship to) - nothing wrong with that since the ham making the phone call isn't making any money by operating his or her radio. Same rules would apply to accessing the net over the air using ham equipment.
The only ham radio operator allowed to make money while operating a radio is a school teacher:).
Also - its largely up to the repeater operator what kind of traffic they allow on their system - if a club has a rule - no pizza ordering they can enforce that, but the FCC doesn't care - and they never have as long as I've been a ham (since 91).
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There's a cool logo interpreter for your pretty flower needs :).
The thing about Flash though is there are some people who have stuck with it and made some really cool tools/products/games with it (everything from C64 emulators to word processors not to mention tons of games - some of which are quite complex) using a serious dev toolkit like Flash Builder.
Hopefully this kind of tool inspires someone to dig deeper and pick something up something a bit deeper like the Android SDK
In the year and a half I had the phone they released a whopping total of two updates for the thing which fixed a grand total of nothing. They aren't releasing stuff for it bi-monthly.
The phone is still buggy as hell and clunky for its price.
With the Eris you could argue that :).
One minor difference is of course - the Eris is free with the contract :).
Still no excuse, but it sounds like a software problem and not a hardware design flaw.
Having actually done telemarketing (only for a month - couldn't stand it) the managers there *freaked out* over any call that lasted more than a minute - not even kidding - they came unglued doubly so when there was no sale.
One of them explained to me they had a special agreement with the phone company where the initial part of the call was cheap, but went up over time (not sure if they do this in the UK) - so a 2-3 minute call would cost them a lot more than normal. Home long distance services its the reverse - the call price goes down the longer you stay on.
So yes - wasting their time really does piss them off to no end.
A lot of these features I get for free with google/android - if I didn't have them for free I'm certain I'd probably shell out for it these days :(.
Same - doing a google search it shows there's only one other person in this country with the same exact name as me, but luckily he's a semi-famous architect.
True story too - when I got my gmail account I got first initial, last name - while I get a ton of email for people who think that my address is there address, I also get a lot of his fan-mail.
Yeah its the slowest browsing experience on any smartphone too.
I never could get over just how sodding slow the webbrowser is on S60-R5.
I did level 1 technical support for a big software company (here in the US no less) for a number of years. The amount of information I had on anyone who called was always surprising to me (credit card numbers, what purchases you've made etc etc). The amount of information I could glean from customers just by asking was just as shocking (some of it was required for us to ask! - like collecting a credit card number for a billable case). I'm surprised actually we haven't seen more identity theft because of this.
Would you want a prisoner to know that stuff?
I'm no Symbian apologist (see my other posts on here) but it does let you run unsigned apps from any source, the OS itself is completely open - sounds like iPhones to me are far more locked down.
I guess so - my Nexus One won't let me do this :/ and I'm running Froyo 2.2.
If you search Google for nokia ovi maps c:\ installation problem you'll literally find hundreds of posts on official and non-official boards of people complaining about it. Its hardly a fringe issue. Maybe its something they fixed on the N97 mini? It did have more core memory...
Also Nokia themselves sent out a utility to help free up space on c:\ - I think its fair to say they admit there is a problem.
Why is it that the Nokia fanboys always base their experience off their friend or girlfriend. Trust me - if you had one of these phones you wouldn't be happy. My n97 is honestly the only phone I could say was worse than a Windows mobile phone (N97 and my WinMo phone - only phones I had to occasionally take the battery out to reset).
All the games used to be on ngage - and that failed miserably. You certainly have a revisionist bit of history there - they aren't competitively priced. My N97 was a 600 dollar phone - cost more than any iPhone or Android, and I think I speak from experience that while it could do everything that the iPhone and Android phones can do (I have a Nexus One now) but much more slowly and was much less reliable.
Actually yes - the iPhone believe it or not is not available in huge parts of this world (and even parts of the USA - you still can't use one in huge chunks of the Oregon coast - no AT&T sevice). It does this via carrier lockin - no facial recognition needed.
That's actually one really cool thing about having Flash on Android Froyo - Zero Punctuation actually works pretty well with it.
Smart phones are just another method of "I'll still view the site anyhow whether you like it or not".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJpEuMidcSU - is about as true as it gets. As someone who had the various n95 models reading about the n97 sounded like a dream come true - so I bought it the day it came out :/. Yes it can do everything the iPhone can do - or even Android (it even has features that Android doesn't have - like copying files over bluetooth) but they are all unusable or extremely clunky.
It had a webkit based browser, flashlite etc etc (so a good chunk of websites looked ok on it) - but was slow as hell (you often had to wait for the thing to download the entire site, and render it before even navigating around), had memory issues (128 megs o ram...) and loads of other issues documented in the video. When Ovi Maps came out for free on the device I couldn't even install it without clearing up space because it would only install to c:\ (yes for those who don't know - Symbian has dos style drive names) and not to the 32 gig partition it boasts (which asides from apps you download yourself only gets used for Music and pictures).
Nokia would have to give me a new phone before I'd own another - and that says a lot for someone who has a box under my bed full of these things.
Now days I use a Nexus One and it is literally 2-3 generations down the line from the BEST Nokia has to offer - the browser is also just as fast as the one on my PC's destkop. The only thing bad about it - it has a bit worse battery life than the N97, but that is honestly getting better with Froyo.
This is akin to the "all puppies are lovely act" - anyone who doesn't vote yes on it is a communist.
Seriously - doesn't California have bigger problems to tackle? It really is a testament to how broken government is when the only thing they can pass is a change to the state rock.
I personally don't think so - in 1993-94 you could buy a Commodore Amiga 4000 brand new and it was a good computer for what people did back then (I could browse the net, dial bbs's, be creative etc). I loved that machine and as I recall you had NextStep, SGI, Sun, Microsoft, Apple and a lot of other vendors who were struggling to hold onto what little marketshare they fought for in the late 80's early 90's.
Today for all intents and purposes when I go to the local computer shop - its Microsoft and Apple - the rest of those companies are pretty much gone or in the case of Sun Micro a shadow of what they were at one point.
Zero - I have yet to see an iPhone 4 directly in person - I've just watched the videos where people grip it in such a way that it loses its signal apparently. The placement of the antennas this actually does make some sense.
Ok sorry :) I probably shouldn't have said "has always been legal". I do know when I first got into the hobby in 91 the mantra for years in the community was that it was totally illegal no ifs ands or buts. I probably should have said for the last 20 years.
I was in fact chastised at a field day for even suggesting the idea that I call the pizza place and have them bring something out and that was in the late 90's.
Also - I'd almost bet money if I did try to order a pizza (or something) on the local repeater today someone would complain.
I expect the signal to vary when I touch the phone - that's a given. I remember when doing amateur radio as a child there was a calculated (and sometimes very noticeable) gain loss when a handheld radio came in close proximity with the human body - and most of these radios had really really efficient antennas compared to most cell phones.
I think with the iPhone 4 - the issue is if you have particularly sweaty hands (which I do) they can short the two antennas and increase the swr so much it effectively knocks the signal out *completely*. When putting the piece of tape over the gap solves the issue I think its more of a design flaw than common problem. I had a rubber antenna for some handheld radio that had a short in it once - you couldn't hear hardly anything unless the transmitter was right on top of you.
In the link you have there - the Nexus 1 owner/author admits that the signal doesn't go completely away - it still lets you make a phone call.
My Rev 2 Nexus 1 (the one made for AT&T/Telus) this issue occurs, but in most cases its not a big deal (maybe 10-20 db - if that). I had the same issue on my Nokia N97 too.
My nexus one came out 5-6 months ago and has a 800x480 display - the iPhone 4 came out 3 weeks ago and has a 960x640 display - that's not "far higher". Plus when the Nexus One came out its display actually was 2x higher res than the top of the line iPhone 3GS.
Gyroscope is interesting, but I can probably live without it - plus I think between gps, accelerometer and the digital compass the nexus one can do many of the same things for productivity. I hated the motion controls for game, but I admit playing jenga with the orbit sensor might be fun - but that is honestly something the compass and the accelerometer can simulate.
Plus there's nothing stopping HTC/Motorola/Samsung/Sony (any number of 30+ other android manufacturers) from adding these things - they are after all off the shelf components.
Ordering a pizza has always been legal to do over the radio - many people misinterpret the rule here. If the ham radio operator himself has a fiduciary interest in operating the radio (for example - dispatching pizza delivery people for his/her own company) that is a no no - however if there is no fiduciary interest (like a 3rd party person on the phone you have no relationship to) - nothing wrong with that since the ham making the phone call isn't making any money by operating his or her radio. Same rules would apply to accessing the net over the air using ham equipment.
The only ham radio operator allowed to make money while operating a radio is a school teacher :).
Also - its largely up to the repeater operator what kind of traffic they allow on their system - if a club has a rule - no pizza ordering they can enforce that, but the FCC doesn't care - and they never have as long as I've been a ham (since 91).