I am sure you will be fine with giving control of your workplace, your country's economy, the congress, the police, the media, etc. to children aged between 14 and 16.
They are adults aren't they? They are ready to handle the world aren't they?
Once and again teenagers have shown how incapable they are and that is why more legal systems acknoledge the fact that they are not ready to take full responsibility for their acts and normally their guardians are called into account.
This hollier than thou attitude of some people that live in a parallel universe where teenagers are fully responsible people, is frankly only imaginable because they insist to describe it to us. Obviously they have never dealt with a teenager.
In most sane countries youngsters are assumed not to know what they are doing since they are still under a state of development that requires parents to teach them and be responsible for their actions.
It is only in some wicked places in this sad world that youngsters are attributed capabilities of adults not compatible with their tender age.
... buy you know you have to pay for it, don't you?
If you wnat your cake for free you DIY, steal it or wait to be invited to a nice afternoon tea.
Offering the possibility to "download all the music you like" is in now way encouraging you to do it illegally, since the above mentioned downloads can be of music for which you have paid for or which is unecumbered by copyright hurdles.
While I was working in Mexico for $BIG_OIL_COMPANY i was making 50% of what an equivalent USian Engineer was doing back then. I am not going to boast much about my abilities, suffice to say that during shared training with USian colleagus I was a couple of times asked to help the teahcer who did not have the appropriate graps of some concepts and ignored a few tricks.
Late on in life I gain a few contracts in the far East, since I was living there my rates had to be similar to the local people. Some stoopid companies would bring Engineers from developped countries that would charge them innordinate amounts of money when local people were perfectly qualified to do the work.
So I am sorry to say, but you can and do get 150% quality at 50% of the cost. That is the harsh reality many/.ers want to ignore but that decision makers are fully aware of.
First, all those workers, even illegal ones, pay taxes, eat, use ammentities, pay rent, etc. so the local economy still benefits.
Second, US people are not willing to take many of the jobs that foreign workers (illegal or not) are happy to take. There is a good reason most illegal foreign workers do menial tasks: is the path of less resistence towards a pay check.
Third, when those wokers are back home, specially to Mexico, they consume products that may be of USian origin, as do their families. Specially in Mexico, where NAFTA has ensured than more than ever most Mexican imports come from the ole US of A.
If people would be allowed free movement between countries, those people would have to pay taxes and USians that wished to take those jobs would not be at an artificial disadvantage.
As you see your protectionism mindset can be easily debunked because has no base in economic realities but in wishful thinking, based on a political agenda that has been completely discredited.
You can whine all what you want; educated people are suppossed to have studied history and perhaps rudiments of economics. No amount of whining and even protectionist measures will keep investors flowing to where cheaper labour is.
Whine too much and US comapnies that currenlty outsource some work to other countries may decide to incorporate elsewhere and then you country will also loose the tax revenue generated by them.
Reinvent yourself or die. Plain and simple. I have no respect for "professional educated" people whose only solution during a mild recession is to go and flip burgers.
... the compete on quality, move to a niche market, change profession to a less crowded more profitable endeavour.
You have not got a right to earn a living doing whatever you currently do. Educated people should understand this and have alternatives ready in case their current job is lost.
I should not point out the irony that gold prices have been declining over the years as demand decreases and production continues at the same level.
Not even gold is immune to market forces, why IT workers thing they somehow should be beyond them is a puzzle to me.
IT people are educated and should be able to understand why this happens and should be lobbying for a fair game (i.e. labour market liberalization between different countries) not for stupid protectionism.
Some USians here forget something very important: the US education system sucks.
Yes, the US has some impressive institutions, leaders in the world. But all the others are pure mediocrity (and the syteme of majors and minors in University is a waste).
Educated foreign workers are required in the US because you don't have enough talented people and luckily for your economy and your society, your companies are willing to stand the quasi racist, protectionist barking in order to bring those workers to the US.
I have worked all around the world, consistently the brightest people from India, Vietnam, Venezuela or Nigeria perform better than most US educated people in a mediocre system, many jobs in the US would go unfilled if this people was not allowed to enter the US.
I whish the wish of so many USian/.ers would become reality and a dumb goverment (this one for example) would close the doors. But better not, if the US economy takes a real hit (not the mild recession we are experiencing) populist protectionism would run amock...
If copyright infringement was even remotely equivalent to theft there would not be two completely different offences in most legal systems in the world, and like in the US, they would not be treated one as criminal offense (theft) and the other as a civil one (copyright infringement).
You may not like it, you may find them morally equally repulsive, but this meme you are blathering about is completely and utterly untrue no matter which logic games you want to play with the term theft (which you could clarify for yourself using a, *grasp*, dictionary).
You mention that copyright is good. Really? Musicians before the 20th century freely took from others creating enduring works of art. Although some of them managed to earn some money from their published music most of them made a living out of composing under contract, finding a sponsor (the church, nobility, rich people), teaching or performing. It is only with the corruptive influence of the recording industry that some musicians are forgetting how their peers used to earn a living before copyright became a serious issue.
A similar thing can be argued about scientific divulgation. Thanks to the inexistent copyright controls back during the enlightment, Galileo's ideas were widely distributed around Europe (he was not very happy about that one has to say) and allowed for the fast progress of science. Many scientists back then published and discussed their findings without ever hopping to become rich with ther copyrights, but only demanded acknowledgment of their achievements in order to obtain a teaching position or to become an sponsored scientist.
Only writers may have got a point regarding copyrights, they can't go touring and performing, thus their only source of income may arguably be copyrights money, but even this is debatable in today's world in which many writers are getting paid serious amounts of money before they evene write a single word of new books. It is not unreasonable to think that a publishing company, a movie producing company, may pay talented writers for new works based on a reputation build based on freely available works.
In a word without copyright the little guy may be abused but then big corps could not keep the code they create to themselves, thus the small guy would also benefit from that source of innovation. Skillful programers would be hired for ad hoc work based in their reputation creating previous work open for all to see...
It is a well researched fact that immigration brings enormous economic benefits, specially into developped countries with aging, shrinking populations (hint, the econmies that are doing better during the last few years, in spite of eveyrthing, are the UK and US ones. Interestingly they are the ones that receive the most asylum and illegal immigrants).
It is not uncommon for pensioners in rich countries to do exactly that: they sell everything and move to places where life is cheaper (Spain, Greece, Mexico come to mind).
If you want to do it younger you can always do some black market work to keep you going until you gain permanent resident status...
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I am sure you will be fine with giving control of your workplace, your country's economy, the congress, the police, the media, etc. to children aged between 14 and 16.
They are adults aren't they? They are ready to handle the world aren't they?
Once and again teenagers have shown how incapable they are and that is why more legal systems acknoledge the fact that they are not ready to take full responsibility for their acts and normally their guardians are called into account.
This hollier than thou attitude of some people that live in a parallel universe where teenagers are fully responsible people, is frankly only imaginable because they insist to describe it to us. Obviously they have never dealt with a teenager.
Oh sorry, I forgot that in the US it is OK to criminilize children.
Stoopid me, how it comes I forget that in the US those silly things called human and child rights do not get in the way of justice.
An eye for an eye...
In most sane countries youngsters are assumed not to know what they are doing since they are still under a state of development that requires parents to teach them and be responsible for their actions.
It is only in some wicked places in this sad world that youngsters are attributed capabilities of adults not compatible with their tender age.
Burn karma burn ....
You have a contrat or agreement.
Stick to it.
If your boss is a compulsive workholic, and irredent slacker or both it is not your duty to show any support.
... buy you know you have to pay for it, don't you?
If you wnat your cake for free you DIY, steal it or wait to be invited to a nice afternoon tea.
Offering the possibility to "download all the music you like" is in now way encouraging you to do it illegally, since the above mentioned downloads can be of music for which you have paid for or which is unecumbered by copyright hurdles.
Freedom for you to choose when, how and under which terms you update your software.
Freedom to re-install your software wherever you want (no more hardware locked OSes).
Freedom from harrasment by MS sponsored pseudo-auditors.
Freedom of choice between different suppliers without the need to migrate *your* data.
Not all the advantages and differences are technical or related to usability. There are other issues that may be far more important.
That is innovative and user friendly [tm]?
Whining but no substance....
While I was working in Mexico for $BIG_OIL_COMPANY i was making 50% of what an equivalent USian Engineer was doing back then. I am not going to boast much about my abilities, suffice to say that during shared training with USian colleagus I was a couple of times asked to help the teahcer who did not have the appropriate graps of some concepts and ignored a few tricks.
/.ers want to ignore but that decision makers are fully aware of.
Late on in life I gain a few contracts in the far East, since I was living there my rates had to be similar to the local people. Some stoopid companies would bring Engineers from developped countries that would charge them innordinate amounts of money when local people were perfectly qualified to do the work.
So I am sorry to say, but you can and do get 150% quality at 50% of the cost. That is the harsh reality many
First, all those workers, even illegal ones, pay taxes, eat, use ammentities, pay rent, etc. so the local economy still benefits.
Second, US people are not willing to take many of the jobs that foreign workers (illegal or not) are happy to take. There is a good reason most illegal foreign workers do menial tasks: is the path of less resistence towards a pay check.
Third, when those wokers are back home, specially to Mexico, they consume products that may be of USian origin, as do their families. Specially in Mexico, where NAFTA has ensured than more than ever most Mexican imports come from the ole US of A.
If people would be allowed free movement between countries, those people would have to pay taxes and USians that wished to take those jobs would not be at an artificial disadvantage.
As you see your protectionism mindset can be easily debunked because has no base in economic realities but in wishful thinking, based on a political agenda that has been completely discredited.
... one should stop acting like if one lives in a closed one.
Buy USian was OK in 40s and 50s, but now it makes no sense at all since it means to reward inneficency.
If you buy quality at the best value, bad companies die and good companies have a real incentive to prosper.
If you are unable to compete in a given market you abandon that market.
Draw your own conclussions.
During NAFTA years befor the IT crash the US economy flourished. Of course nobody thanked NAFTA as one of the contributing factors for that ....
You can whine all what you want; educated people are suppossed to have studied history and perhaps rudiments of economics. No amount of whining and even protectionist measures will keep investors flowing to where cheaper labour is.
Whine too much and US comapnies that currenlty outsource some work to other countries may decide to incorporate elsewhere and then you country will also loose the tax revenue generated by them.
Reinvent yourself or die. Plain and simple. I have no respect for "professional educated" people whose only solution during a mild recession is to go and flip burgers.
... the compete on quality, move to a niche market, change profession to a less crowded more profitable endeavour.
You have not got a right to earn a living doing whatever you currently do. Educated people should understand this and have alternatives ready in case their current job is lost.
I should not point out the irony that gold prices have been declining over the years as demand decreases and production continues at the same level.
Not even gold is immune to market forces, why IT workers thing they somehow should be beyond them is a puzzle to me.
IT people are educated and should be able to understand why this happens and should be lobbying for a fair game (i.e. labour market liberalization between different countries) not for stupid protectionism.
A piece of software runs faster in a new Intel machine than in an old Sprc one.
I am tempted to write "news at 11" but I am not that ironic.
Some USians here forget something very important: the US education system sucks.
/.ers would become reality and a dumb goverment (this one for example) would close the doors. But better not, if the US economy takes a real hit (not the mild recession we are experiencing) populist protectionism would run amock...
Yes, the US has some impressive institutions, leaders in the world. But all the others are pure mediocrity (and the syteme of majors and minors in University is a waste).
Educated foreign workers are required in the US because you don't have enough talented people and luckily for your economy and your society, your companies are willing to stand the quasi racist, protectionist barking in order to bring those workers to the US.
I have worked all around the world, consistently the brightest people from India, Vietnam, Venezuela or Nigeria perform better than most US educated people in a mediocre system, many jobs in the US would go unfilled if this people was not allowed to enter the US.
I whish the wish of so many USian
Wintel do not scale. Period.
now tell me whiz kid, how can you as a citizen audit a closed source program to ensure that it offers the correct results?
Inquiring minds etc...
So I tend to agree... death to flash...
Absolute and complete utter rubish.
If copyright infringement was even remotely equivalent to theft there would not be two completely different offences in most legal systems in the world, and like in the US, they would not be treated one as criminal offense (theft) and the other as a civil one (copyright infringement).
You may not like it, you may find them morally equally repulsive, but this meme you are blathering about is completely and utterly untrue no matter which logic games you want to play with the term theft (which you could clarify for yourself using a, *grasp*, dictionary).
You mention that copyright is good. Really? Musicians before the 20th century freely took from others creating enduring works of art. Although some of them managed to earn some money from their published music most of them made a living out of composing under contract, finding a sponsor (the church, nobility, rich people), teaching or performing. It is only with the corruptive influence of the recording industry that some musicians are forgetting how their peers used to earn a living before copyright became a serious issue.
A similar thing can be argued about scientific divulgation. Thanks to the inexistent copyright controls back during the enlightment, Galileo's ideas were widely distributed around Europe (he was not very happy about that one has to say) and allowed for the fast progress of science. Many scientists back then published and discussed their findings without ever hopping to become rich with ther copyrights, but only demanded acknowledgment of their achievements in order to obtain a teaching position or to become an sponsored scientist.
Only writers may have got a point regarding copyrights, they can't go touring and performing, thus their only source of income may arguably be copyrights money, but even this is debatable in today's world in which many writers are getting paid serious amounts of money before they evene write a single word of new books. It is not unreasonable to think that a publishing company, a movie producing company, may pay talented writers for new works based on a reputation build based on freely available works.
In a word without copyright the little guy may be abused but then big corps could not keep the code they create to themselves, thus the small guy would also benefit from that source of innovation. Skillful programers would be hired for ad hoc work based in their reputation creating previous work open for all to see...
It is a well researched fact that immigration brings enormous economic benefits, specially into developped countries with aging, shrinking populations (hint, the econmies that are doing better during the last few years, in spite of eveyrthing, are the UK and US ones. Interestingly they are the ones that receive the most asylum and illegal immigrants).
I do. Every week mind you. And they advocate open markets of labour.
The Mexican President was prepared for that and got a polite no thank you from Bush.
Common USians, show you are men not mice. Open your labour market, request reciprocity and get ready for the competition.
It is not uncommon for pensioners in rich countries to do exactly that: they sell everything and move to places where life is cheaper (Spain, Greece, Mexico come to mind).
If you want to do it younger you can always do some black market work to keep you going until you gain permanent resident status...