Which continues the trend of l33t ripping groups being at least a year behind the times. --r3mix, while good for the bitrate, exhibits obvious artifacts on a wide range of material. Recent versions of LAME include Dibrom's --alt-presets, which are VBR presets of *much* higher quality than r3mix. --alt-preset standard averages around 200kbit/s, and produces results which are spectacularly good, considering how old and creaky the format (MP3) is.
Comparing 'pure audio' to the compressed version is inbuilt into the test methodology. I suggest you download the program used for the tests, and try it out before commenting further. Hopefully this will give you some semblance of knowing what you're talking about.
Plug the results into the linked non-parametric stats analysis page, and you find:
mp3pro is better than wma8 (99.9% confidence) mp3pro is better than aac (99.9% confidence) oggq0 is better than aac (99.3% confidence) oggq0 is better than wma8 (99% confidence)
ogg64 is better than aac (97.2% confidence) ogg64 is better than wma8 (96.1% confidence)
Is 99% good enough for you? Or perhaps you should just take the two at 99.9%?
Dammit, the lameness filter is kicking in. No, these are *not* junk characters - I'm trying to show the peon some useful statistical information, you worthless piece of software. I've already removed all the hyphens, what the hell more do you want me to do? Is a percentage sign 'junk'? Is a question mark? Is a space? What the *fuck* use is this, when it doesn't stop all the crapflooders in any way whatsoever - they just flood with random gay/incest/beastiality sex stories instead... I've been posting on this site for years, and for my sins haven't crap-flooded once - give me a LITTLE FUCKING LICENCE TO POST MATERIAL.
Man did you guys even do the test or are you just looking at the results?
Yes, all 12 samples, and my results broadly agree with the general conclusions (particularly on MP3pro doing much better than AAC and WMA on almost all the samples).
The only ones I had trouble with were the two oggs and on some files the mp3pro
In general, the results agree with you, so I don't understand why you're so annoyed by the test. When Vorbis was good, it was *very* good - and when it was bad, it was terrible. Luckily, Monty will use the results to help the 64kbits performance for the next version of Vorbis.
'Right' does not equate to 'ethical' or 'moral', but yes, anything which survives for an extended length of time, despite changing market/social conditions, *is* doing something right.
American-style republicanism has shown itself to be a relatively stable ruling strategy, just as feudalism and monarchy have -- and just as benevolent dictatorship *hasn't*.
IBM isn't as l33t as all the new startups, but they'll still be around when 95% of them have gone to the wall.
... and which of those passages makes for a better movie? The first one.
I'm amazed at all the people who are offended by the Starship Troopers movie. Anyone with half a brain would notice the 'propaganda' style of it within the first 5 minutes. Removing all Heinlein's pointless meandering made for a much better plot-line, and a much more satisfactory film that would have resulted from the director being a Heinlein-worshipping fanboy like yourself.
Secondly, Ogg is under the GPL (and the libs under the LGPL).
The Ogg and Vorbis libraries are under a modified BSD licence, *not* GPL or LGPL. Very early versions were GPL, but this was changed at least 18 months ago.
Please pick some other FUD to spread - this one isn't valid any more.
Two seperate patent searches: one paid for by Xiph itself, and another paid for by AOL which had to pass before they would allow the Vorbis encoder/decoder into Winamp.
There is already some maintainance work going on with the VP3 code, but you are right - converting the code over to use the Ogg framework will take a little time.
The projected timeframe at the moment is to have everything ready by next summer.
Writing a Vorbis plugin for Real will not serious impact this work... it's not particularly hard to write a plugin:)
There's your problem. Red Hat does everything they can to *not* support KDE on their distro. Use one which works better.
I ran KDE on RedHat and Mandrake for years. Recently, I moved to Debian, and what is nominally the same release of KDE runs at literally twice the speed.
The Odeon UK cinema chain is hardly a small, amateur operation, but
their website is completely unusable in anything except IE 4 or greater (as well as being one of the worst designed sites that I have every had to use). The web masters were notified about the problem, and shown the three line change they would need to make in order to get the site to work in other browsers, but they just don't care.
You're making the wrong choices in the movies that you see.
They're not out in cinemas any more, but go and rent 'L.A. Confidential', or 'Memento', or 'Being John Malkovich' (yes, you've already seen it. Go and see it again). All recent quality movies, that demand some small part of intelligence on the part of the watcher. None are adapted from a comic book, and feature neither space aliens nor wizards.
Or widen your range a bit. Work your way down the IMDB top 250. Don't be afraid to watch movies that are more than 20 years old, or in a foreign language.
RedHat is probably the distro which is least likely to get you a decent KDE user experience -- mainly because they don't care about KDE. Indeed, lack of KDE was what lead to the creation of Mandrake (sadly, they've moved back toward GTK+ config apps in the newer releases).
After using RedHat and Mandrake for years, I finally tried out Debian, and was shocked at how quick KDE 2 felt -- subjectively at *least* twice as fast.
You have linked to a scaremongering, unofficial site.
Look here for impartial, unbiased information on and warnings about this pervasive chemical compound.
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Ah... advanced window manager issues.
As the previous respondant has indicated, you can quite easily use Sawfish as KDE's window manager -- it's probably the most configurable wm out there. You'll find similar issues with Gnome 2.2, which is going to move from Sawfish to Metacity as the wm (basically because no one understands Rep well enough to pick up the code).
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Just out of interest, what parts of KDE do you feel are lacking in configuration? I can't think of a single area where I haven't been able to configure KDE to do precisely what I want. Particularly in the 'look and feel' department, it is *far* more configurable than Gnome.
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Why? Because users like things that are prettier.
Very true - this is why I use KDE. It's just prettier than Gnome.
KDE 3 (as well as XFree 4.2) is not going into Debian at least until Woody is released. In addition, Debian will be switching to using GCC 3.1 as the main compiler after Woody, so you'll probably have to wait for that to happen as well.
Until then, use the unofficial debs in the post immediately above. Note that there are several packages (such as kdegames and kdeartwork) which are not included, as calc is not their maintainer (I wish he were - I miss the 'Glow' window theme and 'Shisen-Sho':) )
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Which continues the trend of l33t ripping groups being at least a year behind the times. --r3mix, while good for the bitrate, exhibits obvious artifacts on a wide range of material. Recent versions of LAME include Dibrom's --alt-presets, which are VBR presets of *much* higher quality than r3mix. --alt-preset standard averages around 200kbit/s, and produces results which are spectacularly good, considering how old and creaky the format (MP3) is.
Comparing 'pure audio' to the compressed version is inbuilt into the test methodology. I suggest you download the program used for the tests, and try it out before commenting further. Hopefully this will give you some semblance of knowing what you're talking about.
mp3pro is better than wma8 (99.9% confidence)
mp3pro is better than aac (99.9% confidence)
oggq0 is better than aac (99.3% confidence)
oggq0 is better than wma8 (99% confidence)
ogg64 is better than aac (97.2% confidence)
ogg64 is better than wma8 (96.1% confidence)
Is 99% good enough for you? Or perhaps you should just take the two at 99.9%?
Dammit, the lameness filter is kicking in. No, these are *not* junk characters - I'm trying to show the peon some useful statistical information, you worthless piece of software. I've already removed all the hyphens, what the hell more do you want me to do? Is a percentage sign 'junk'? Is a question mark? Is a space? What the *fuck* use is this, when it doesn't stop all the crapflooders in any way whatsoever - they just flood with random gay/incest/beastiality sex stories instead... I've been posting on this site for years, and for my sins haven't crap-flooded once - give me a LITTLE FUCKING LICENCE TO POST MATERIAL.
Man did you guys even do the test or are you just looking at the results?
Yes, all 12 samples, and my results broadly agree with the general conclusions (particularly on MP3pro doing much better than AAC and WMA on almost all the samples).
The only ones I had trouble with were the two oggs and on some files the mp3pro
In general, the results agree with you, so I don't understand why you're so annoyed by the test. When Vorbis was good, it was *very* good - and when it was bad, it was terrible. Luckily, Monty will use the results to help the 64kbits performance for the next version of Vorbis.
(OT: you *really* need to learn about paragraphs)
'Right' does not equate to 'ethical' or 'moral', but yes, anything which survives for an extended length of time, despite changing market/social conditions, *is* doing something right.
American-style republicanism has shown itself to be a relatively stable ruling strategy, just as feudalism and monarchy have -- and just as benevolent dictatorship *hasn't*.
IBM isn't as l33t as all the new startups, but they'll still be around when 95% of them have gone to the wall.
... and which of those passages makes for a better movie? The first one.
I'm amazed at all the people who are offended by the Starship Troopers movie. Anyone with half a brain would notice the 'propaganda' style of it within the first 5 minutes. Removing all Heinlein's pointless meandering made for a much better plot-line, and a much more satisfactory film that would have resulted from the director being a Heinlein-worshipping fanboy like yourself.
The Ogg and Vorbis libraries are under a modified BSD licence, *not* GPL or LGPL. Very early versions were GPL, but this was changed at least 18 months ago.
Please pick some other FUD to spread - this one isn't valid any more.
Two seperate patent searches: one paid for by Xiph itself, and another paid for by AOL which had to pass before they would allow the Vorbis encoder/decoder into Winamp.
There is already some maintainance work going on with the VP3 code, but you are right - converting the code over to use the Ogg framework will take a little time.
... it's not particularly hard to write a plugin :)
The projected timeframe at the moment is to have everything ready by next summer.
Writing a Vorbis plugin for Real will not serious impact this work
There's your problem. Red Hat does everything they can to *not* support KDE on their distro. Use one which works better.
I ran KDE on RedHat and Mandrake for years. Recently, I moved to Debian, and what is nominally the same release of KDE runs at literally twice the speed.
The title page, yes.
Now click on 'click here to enter the Odeon website', and sit back.
It fails utterly on Mozilla. It *almost* works in Konq 3, but not quite (the list boxes are wrong).
This is only one example out of many.
They're not out in cinemas any more, but go and rent 'L.A. Confidential', or 'Memento', or 'Being John Malkovich' (yes, you've already seen it. Go and see it again). All recent quality movies, that demand some small part of intelligence on the part of the watcher. None are adapted from a comic book, and feature neither space aliens nor wizards.
Or widen your range a bit. Work your way down the IMDB top 250. Don't be afraid to watch movies that are more than 20 years old, or in a foreign language.
Stretch yourself a little.
Is there a reason that you are self-censoring 'suck'? I naturally read 's***' as 'shit', which lead to problems parsing your posts.
Terminator 2 was bigger, and louder, but was certainly *not* better than the original.
You missed out '(apart from Godfather II)' on the end of your rhetorical question.
RedHat is probably the distro which is least likely to get you a decent KDE user experience -- mainly because they don't care about KDE. Indeed, lack of KDE was what lead to the creation of Mandrake (sadly, they've moved back toward GTK+ config apps in the newer releases).
After using RedHat and Mandrake for years, I finally tried out Debian, and was shocked at how quick KDE 2 felt -- subjectively at *least* twice as fast.
You have linked to a scaremongering, unofficial site. Look here for impartial, unbiased information on and warnings about this pervasive chemical compound.
Ah... advanced window manager issues.
As the previous respondant has indicated, you can quite easily use Sawfish as KDE's window manager -- it's probably the most configurable wm out there. You'll find similar issues with Gnome 2.2, which is going to move from Sawfish to Metacity as the wm (basically because no one understands Rep well enough to pick up the code).
Just out of interest, what parts of KDE do you feel are lacking in configuration? I can't think of a single area where I haven't been able to configure KDE to do precisely what I want. Particularly in the 'look and feel' department, it is *far* more configurable than Gnome.
Very true - this is why I use KDE. It's just prettier than Gnome.
Take a look at the ComplexSpiral demo at css/edge. IE gets 'background-attachment: fixed' completely wrong.
It's much better with CSS in 3.0 than it was in 2.x. There are still some minor glitches, but it's better than IE 5/6.
KDE 3 (as well as XFree 4.2) is not going into Debian at least until Woody is released. In addition, Debian will be switching to using GCC 3.1 as the main compiler after Woody, so you'll probably have to wait for that to happen as well.
:) )
Until then, use the unofficial debs in the post immediately above. Note that there are several packages (such as kdegames and kdeartwork) which are not included, as calc is not their maintainer (I wish he were - I miss the 'Glow' window theme and 'Shisen-Sho'
I'm guessing that it also really dislikes anyone who lives in sunny Scunthorpe...
Congrats on this - it's old now but I still smile every time I see this post :)