Let me do some educating here as I was one of the members on Compuserve.
1 OS/2 was killed by M$'s illegal "you buy a computer, you have to pay for windows". The M$ tax made it impossible to compete on fair grounds.
2 OS/2 was harmed by all the FUD that the media accepted from M$. That included when Win4.0 was going to be out. 1994, nope 1995. A year of hype, FUD and general BS by the media all fed to them by M$ in a never ending stream.
The fact that OS/2 was a better product than Win4.0 or the first version of No Technology still couldn't keep up with the M$ FUD.
And it was true that OS/2 ran Win3.X programs better than windows itself. I still have my copies and they still work. And yes, I run Linux too.
"If you were IBM would you come out with press release saying "Oh shit, we're fucked. Whatawegonna dooooooo". " IBM should hire Jeff Foxworthy to do it. And then have him do the "Here's your sign" act.:-)
As a former Caldera customer, stopped after e-desktop 2.4, I think they have brought the/. effect on themselves. 2.4 would not work out of the box on the same equipment that 2.2 was running on for me. Still sits unused for that reason. RH, SuSE, and the other distros have moved on to better thing and left SCO in the dust.And I believe that after IBM gets finished, they will be part of the dust.
Sadly, you might be right. Even if it turns out that the code was not SCO's to start with, the damage will already have been done by the time the case ends. Unless it gets thrown out of court. As soon as the code is made public, it will be replaced, if it is SCO's. The problem then would be, is there any other code that is copied.
Simple way to solve the case is to check each version of Linux back to the point where the supposed code is not there, and then compare with SCO's code of the same time, with *BSD code of the same time, and MS's code of the same time. Remember, M$ had a version of UNIX also. Maybe MS is the one who put the code in Linux, if it is there.
If everybody was in one large ship, the SS SCO. And one side ( say the port side ) was for those who believed MS and the other side ( say starboard )was for those who didn't in this matter, what side of the boat would be showing the most.
The bottom, as we all know that SCO is a sinking ship.
IANAL. As soon as they knew that it was there, they had the obligation to stop selling their form of Linux. They didn't, and kept on selling until recently which meant that they blessed it being in SCO's Linux which is under the GPL. Any Linux version released after the date of them finding it and failing to stop their sale of their version would tend to make all later distros legal. Date of the filing for the IBM lawsuit is the latest they would have known and should have yanked it off the market for protection from the GPL.
But did anyone buy it after that date? Want to send a copy to RH and the rest to give them the rights to use the SCO code?
I have a honeypot behind a firewall. The cracker breaks thru the firewall. The cracker uses the honeypot to go outside the firewall and attack another computer. Your computer has a *.doc file that states, " Use of this computer grants permission for monitoring." As long as that file was on the computer before the date of the hacking, I would hope that the jury would say that you had permission to monitor.
Looks about the same as; A car runs a red light and is involved in an accident. The occupants of the car sue the other person for turning in front of them when the light was red already.
I'd love to be on either one of those juries.
Oh wait, I have been on one of those sort of case. Not all jurors are dumb.:-) Two days to get to the jury, 2 minutes to render a verdict.
I currently have 6 AMD XPs, 2 1.3GHz Durons, a 1.2 Athlon and a 1.4 Athlon running 24/7. The 1.2 and 1.4s have been running 100% load for about 2 years now. So much for the problem myth about AMDs. For the price, i'll go AMD.
First off, I take it you never have seen the defence plants from WWII in person in Japan. The Japanese were very prepared to fight on if we had invaded their main island. Until we had US troops on the islands we didn't know where all of their factories were. In 1966 I saw first-hand some of the tunnels and structures that had never been hit during the war. Look in the Tokyo area for a base called Camp Zama. The area located in the hills had smokestacks that you couldn't even see from the air. The last soldier from WWII surrendered in the early 70's not because he couldn't but because he had orders to fight on to death. It took orders from his superior for him to surrender.
M$ was found guilty. Now they want to decide their punishment. That is like a criminal going to trial, being found guilty, then asking to plea bargain.
Punishment of M$ is what it is all about, for their crime, and the nine states that don't agree with the DOJ have every right not to go along with that agreement. Fla being one of them, thank you, should keep on until it gets what we in Florida think should be their punishment.
Sometimes the price of the complete computer is less than the sum of what you would pay to get the parts and the labor to put it together. HP could have shipped a recovery cd and a dvd that would have had all the stuff on it to reload the disc image. I intend to complain about mine as it is equipted with a 120GB HDD with no way to split it without destroying the backup if PM doesn't find it correctly.
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Let me do some educating here as I was one of the members on Compuserve.
1 OS/2 was killed by M$'s illegal "you buy a computer, you have to pay for windows". The M$ tax made it impossible to compete on fair grounds.
2 OS/2 was harmed by all the FUD that the media accepted from M$. That included when Win4.0 was going to be out. 1994, nope 1995. A year of hype, FUD and general BS by the media all fed to them by M$ in a never ending stream.
The fact that OS/2 was a better product than Win4.0 or the first version of No Technology still couldn't keep up with the M$ FUD.
And it was true that OS/2 ran Win3.X programs better than windows itself. I still have my copies and they still work. And yes, I run Linux too.
Farenheit 451. The owning of books is banned.
Now, how many people own a copy of "Linux Core Kernal Commentary" by Scott Maxwell and published by CoriolisOpen Press?
Lawyer for SCO "Have you read it?"
You "Yes"
Lawyer "Did you look at the code."
You "Yes"
Lawyer " Your Honor, SCO would like to add this witness to the suit as he has seen SCO's secret code. And to declare him/her a hostile witness."
Think the above is far-fetched? No?
Do you work for SCO?
"If you were IBM would you come out with press release saying "Oh shit, we're fucked. Whatawegonna dooooooo". " :-)
IBM should hire Jeff Foxworthy to do it. And then have him do the "Here's your sign" act.
As a former Caldera customer, stopped after e-desktop 2.4, I think they have brought the /. effect on themselves. 2.4 would not work out of the box on the same equipment that 2.2 was running on for me. Still sits unused for that reason. RH, SuSE, and the other distros have moved on to better thing and left SCO in the dust.And I believe that after IBM gets finished, they will be part of the dust.
Sad thing is that Caldera 2.2 was decent.
R.I.P SCO.
It is well worth the money. Just got finished digging in mine to find out how to do something in an easier way. And it worked. :-)
It ( V )was just on at 4:00 PM today. Those who have DSS get to see them all the time.
Sadly, you might be right. Even if it turns out that the code was not SCO's to start with, the damage will already have been done by the time the case ends. Unless it gets thrown out of court. As soon as the code is made public, it will be replaced, if it is SCO's. The problem then would be, is there any other code that is copied.
Simple way to solve the case is to check each version of Linux back to the point where the supposed code is not there, and then compare with SCO's code of the same time, with *BSD code of the same time, and MS's code of the same time. Remember, M$ had a version of UNIX also. Maybe MS is the one who put the code in Linux, if it is there.
If everybody was in one large ship, the SS SCO. And one side ( say the port side ) was for those who believed MS and the other side ( say starboard )was for those who didn't in this matter, what side of the boat would be showing the most.
The bottom, as we all know that SCO is a sinking ship.
IANAL.
As soon as they knew that it was there, they had the obligation to stop selling their form of Linux. They didn't, and kept on selling until recently which meant that they blessed it being in SCO's Linux which is under the GPL. Any Linux version released after the date of them finding it and failing to stop their sale of their version would tend to make all later distros legal. Date of the filing for the IBM lawsuit is the latest they would have known and should have yanked it off the market for protection from the GPL.
But did anyone buy it after that date? Want to send a copy to RH and the rest to give them the rights to use the SCO code?
Sorry SCO, but you screwed up.
As I have 3 different copies, does that make me the sole buyer?
I have a honeypot behind a firewall.
The cracker breaks thru the firewall.
The cracker uses the honeypot to go outside the firewall and attack another computer. Your computer has a *.doc file that states, " Use of this computer grants permission for monitoring." As long as that file was on the computer before the date of the hacking, I would hope that the jury would say that you had permission to monitor.
Looks about the same as;
A car runs a red light and is involved in an accident. The occupants of the car sue the other person for turning in front of them when the light was red already.
I'd love to be on either one of those juries.
Oh wait, I have been on one of those sort of case. Not all jurors are dumb.:-) Two days to get to the jury, 2 minutes to render a verdict.
And if they don't have a copy, I can send them 1. Or 2. Or 3. :-)
Nope, the license would require your first born child.
I currently have 6 AMD XPs, 2 1.3GHz Durons, a 1.2 Athlon and a 1.4 Athlon running 24/7. The 1.2 and 1.4s have been running 100% load for about 2 years now. So much for the problem myth about AMDs. For the price, i'll go AMD.
The Osborne1 was the hot piece of technology. And to give you an idea how desperate the situation was, consider this.
:-(
It had a 5 inch screen that was monochrome (amber I seem to recall). Nope. White lettters on black screen. Next model had amber.
It weighed a freakin' ton. Okay maybe 30lbs. But the brochures highlighted that like it was impressive (Only 30 lbs!). Yep. 120v ac powered only too.
There were two 5.25" floppies (360k?) Nope 90k
64 kB of RAM! Yep
And last, but not least, a 4MHz Z80 CPU! Think so. Just don't feel like opening ours up to see.
Practiced basic programing on it.
RIP Adam.
don't like the results of a poll, rephrase the questions.
I wonder how many times the RIAA did that to get the answers they wanted.
I think you made that up. ;-)
> (There was something cool about Pentium Pros though... I kinda miss them.)
:-) Or maybe that they were the first CPUs that were designed for a 32bit OS.
The fact that they were huge chips.
First off, I take it you never have seen the defence plants from WWII in person in Japan. The Japanese were very prepared to fight on if we had invaded their main island. Until we had US troops on the islands we didn't know where all of their factories were. In 1966 I saw first-hand some of the tunnels and structures that had never been hit during the war. Look in the Tokyo area for a base called Camp Zama. The area located in the hills had smokestacks that you couldn't even see from the air. The last soldier from WWII surrendered in the early 70's not because he couldn't but because he had orders to fight on to death. It took orders from his superior for him to surrender.
Looks like my Apex doesn't like the DVD-R or DVD-RW. So much for the DVD standards. Whereas the DVD+RW of my HP pavilion 780n does work in it. :)
M$ was found guilty. Now they want to decide their punishment. That is like a criminal going to trial, being found guilty, then asking to plea bargain.
Punishment of M$ is what it is all about, for their crime, and the nine states that don't agree with the DOJ have every right not to go along with that agreement. Fla being one of them, thank you, should keep on until it gets what we in Florida think should be their punishment.
Sometimes the price of the complete computer is less than the sum of what you would pay to get the parts and the labor to put it together. HP could have shipped a recovery cd and a dvd that would have had all the stuff on it to reload the disc image. I intend to complain about mine as it is equipted with a 120GB HDD with no way to split it without destroying the backup if PM doesn't find it correctly.
Everyone should have a chance to build their own without a lot of work.
Better yet, don't install it in the first place.
Odd that this comes from M$ after the BBC story.
not after all of the problems in the past.