If you look at the copyright FAQ referenced in the main article, you will see just what is allowed and in what context. Posting would be a no-no (public display, reproduction, distribution, digital transmission) but showing to your attorney would be ok (private display). Posting on a bulletin board with note attached? Nope (public display).
Of course, there is the whole fair use defense where it's OK to infringe.
I should have looked this up first. My bad. Except I was right. See #10 on Brad Templeton's 10 myths about copyright. In fact this indicates (under the fair use section) that using a quote from a personal letter probably isn't even fair use.
This is just the opposite of what I understand. Are you sure about this? Since everything I write is copyright by me (implicitly) giving a copy to you does not negate my copyright nor does it give you a right to publish it.
Absolutely. Handing out copies of the intellectual property of others is a BAD THING. Shame on you for mistaking civil disobedience with breaking the law. How can I get a copy?
They keep shooting themselves in the foot wrt the Open Source crowd. Now the've reloaded and started shooting again. You'd think they would have run out of ammo by now.
One of the beauties of Linux is that it can be ported to so many different platforms easily. Sun uses it and then goes on to say IBM shouldn't? wtf? There are valid reasons to run Linux in multiple virtual machines. I even do it here on my PC.
I know of two: "Something Wicked This Way Comes," where the screenplay was also written by Ray Bradbarry (sp?), and although very slightly different, evoked exactly the same feelings. And "The Little Prince." Also the exact same story and in a musical yet. Were the movies actually better? Hard to say. It depends on your personal preference of books to movies. If you prefer to watch a (any) movie to reading a book, the movies were definitly better.
Isn't this the sort of thing you could just cross out, initial, and use? You would change the contract and when they accepted it (i.e. you made a call with it) the new terms would be the only ones binding?
Remember, IE is linked deepely into the user interface. Active desktop uses IE. Windows help uses IE. Outlook uses IE. Office uses IE. Explorer uses IE. Scads of programs written by third parties use IE. Even if you have Netscape (or other) as your Internet browser of choice, you can be sent to a web page using IE as the browser by any program that wants to.
And all of those IEs are Internet-aware.
Yes, bringing up the help page on a program you downloaded (without even opening the program, mind you) could send you off, running IE, to a web page with this exploit on it.
Yea, I really lusted for one of those Z80's in my Imsai 8080 system (2200 solder conections on the motherboard alone, yikes). I finally got one when I installed a floppy controller (Jade) which had one on board. It always seemed weird that my main cpu was a 2 MHz 8080A while my floppy disk controller used a 4 MHz Z80.
Well, I finally upgraded to the Z80 processor board about a year later and got to start playing with all those cool new instructions. Way cool.
With the "opening up" of APIs and protocols, how long before what's left is controled by patents?
Samba won't be able to operate because of "security concerns." The embrace and extend done to kerberos won't have to be explained to us. The new protocols will use M$ patents. Do you really think anyone else in the free software world will be able to get by the patent issues? Do you think M$ will *ever* license them to us?
This really sucks. I sure hope the hold-out states can make a difference.
"Possible probable my black hen,
She lays eggs in the relitive when,
She doesn't lay eggs in the positive now,
Because she's unable to postulate how."
I still remember that rhyme from when I first read the book in the early 70's during my larval stage programming. Thanks for posting a link. Now I will finally get a copy:)
It's a little more complicated than that. Technically any copying is a copyright violation. It's just that you have immunity from prosecution under most for-personal-use copying. This is described in considerable detail in this article along with the various arguments for and against.
Everyone should bookmark this site since this argument comes up every few days here on slashdot;)
Yea! What's all this talk about copy protected Certificates of Deposit anyway? And you didn't play with them, you kept them in their safe deposit box. Sheesh.
Actually, according to Chapman's Piloting, Seamanship and Small Boat Handling a boat is any vessel less than 65 feet long, a ship is 65 and over. And I've heard a Navy saying that "you can put a boat on a ship; you can't put a ship on a boat; subs are always boats."
My son did say boats. You know, it could be that the Navy has more ships than the Army...
My son (who joined the Navy three months ago) told me this amusing tidbit he learned about the services: The Navy has more planes than the Air Force; the Army has more boats than the Navy. Go figure.
No offense, but have you actually installed a Microsoft patch?
It's not like a Linux patch where you can look at all of the files which are being updated. This thing comes in as a huge monolithic package which you either install in toto, or not at all. You have no way of knowing all the changes it is going to make to your system. You can't back it out after you do it. It may cause some special program you have running on your system to break. It may cause some mundane, MS program to break. You may be royally screwed if you install it.
A responsible admin will setup a mirror of the production system and install the patch on that system. He will then test all of the applications running on that server. If there are no problems, then he will install the patch on the production system--and hold his breath hoping that it still works because he is never quite sure the patch will work the same on the production system. (Sometimes one gets an error installing a patch and all hell breaks loose. Sometimes it just seems to work differently on different systems.)
This all takes time and effort. I hope it's not month end. I hope the boss isn't yelling for the new servers to be brought on line right now. I hope everything is running smoothly (yea, right).
I'm amazed how many people are blaming the admins for this problem. It's the irresponsible/lazy admins who just go and apply the MS patches when they come out without testing them first. When this hole started to be exploited, the responsible admins removed the.ida service and applied the patch when they were confident it wouldn't break their systems.
My thoughts exactly. Do we want a guy who doesn't even know the history of the language designing the next level?
Although if he was worried they'd run out of names, he could have called it "--P."
It seems the US goverment is cutting back on everything. They have to mothball the craft because they can't squeeze in another shuttle mission.
Sure, we'd all like to have them support all these science missions, but the fact is most people just want their tax rebates and lower taxes in the future.
Can't have it both ways. I just hope it isn't forgotten forever.
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If you look at the copyright FAQ referenced in the main article, you will see just what is allowed and in what context. Posting would be a no-no (public display, reproduction, distribution, digital transmission) but showing to your attorney would be ok (private display). Posting on a bulletin board with note attached? Nope (public display).
Of course, there is the whole fair use defense where it's OK to infringe.
I should have looked this up first. My bad. Except I was right. See #10 on Brad Templeton's 10 myths about copyright. In fact this indicates (under the fair use section) that using a quote from a personal letter probably isn't even fair use.
This is just the opposite of what I understand. Are you sure about this? Since everything I write is copyright by me (implicitly) giving a copy to you does not negate my copyright nor does it give you a right to publish it.
Who's right here?
Absolutely. Handing out copies of the intellectual property of others is a BAD THING. Shame on you for mistaking civil disobedience with breaking the law. How can I get a copy?
They keep shooting themselves in the foot wrt the Open Source crowd. Now the've reloaded and started shooting again. You'd think they would have run out of ammo by now.
One of the beauties of Linux is that it can be ported to so many different platforms easily. Sun uses it and then goes on to say IBM shouldn't? wtf? There are valid reasons to run Linux in multiple virtual machines. I even do it here on my PC.
Note to self: Must drink less coffee....
I know of two: "Something Wicked This Way Comes," where the screenplay was also written by Ray Bradbarry (sp?), and although very slightly different, evoked exactly the same feelings. And "The Little Prince." Also the exact same story and in a musical yet. Were the movies actually better? Hard to say. It depends on your personal preference of books to movies. If you prefer to watch a (any) movie to reading a book, the movies were definitly better.
As long as they don't call it MSGNU/Linux ;)
(sorry I couldn't help myself)
Isn't this the sort of thing you could just cross out, initial, and use? You would change the contract and when they accepted it (i.e. you made a call with it) the new terms would be the only ones binding?
Yeah, IANAL (suprise).
Who uses IE? Pretty much anyone who uses Windows.
Remember, IE is linked deepely into the user interface. Active desktop uses IE. Windows help uses IE. Outlook uses IE. Office uses IE. Explorer uses IE. Scads of programs written by third parties use IE. Even if you have Netscape (or other) as your Internet browser of choice, you can be sent to a web page using IE as the browser by any program that wants to.
And all of those IEs are Internet-aware.
Yes, bringing up the help page on a program you downloaded (without even opening the program, mind you) could send you off, running IE, to a web page with this exploit on it.
Yea, I really lusted for one of those Z80's in my Imsai 8080 system (2200 solder conections on the motherboard alone, yikes). I finally got one when I installed a floppy controller (Jade) which had one on board. It always seemed weird that my main cpu was a 2 MHz 8080A while my floppy disk controller used a 4 MHz Z80.
Well, I finally upgraded to the Z80 processor board about a year later and got to start playing with all those cool new instructions. Way cool.
Hope you get it together, Zilog!
Or is the royal web site down? Hmm. Maybe they should have stuck with Linux.
With the "opening up" of APIs and protocols, how long before what's left is controled by patents?
Samba won't be able to operate because of "security concerns." The embrace and extend done to kerberos won't have to be explained to us. The new protocols will use M$ patents. Do you really think anyone else in the free software world will be able to get by the patent issues? Do you think M$ will *ever* license them to us?
This really sucks. I sure hope the hold-out states can make a difference.
Man, I haven't gotten any nugatory in so long...wait, let me look that up.......
Never mind.
"Possible probable my black hen,
:)
She lays eggs in the relitive when,
She doesn't lay eggs in the positive now,
Because she's unable to postulate how."
I still remember that rhyme from when I first read the book in the early 70's during my larval stage programming. Thanks for posting a link. Now I will finally get a copy
It's doing better than ever! Even my local supermarket just started carrying it in bottles and cans! 88 cents a six pack. Gotta love it.
Everyone should bookmark this site since this argument comes up every few days here on slashdot ;)
Yea! What's all this talk about copy protected Certificates of Deposit anyway? And you didn't play with them, you kept them in their safe deposit box. Sheesh.
I guess I'm a little old too...
He's just upset because he missed "Enterprise" last night. Someone send him a tape of the show and he'll be right as rain again in no time.
Spoken like a true submarine sailor!
:)
Actually, according to Chapman's Piloting, Seamanship and Small Boat Handling a boat is any vessel less than 65 feet long, a ship is 65 and over. And I've heard a Navy saying that "you can put a boat on a ship; you can't put a ship on a boat; subs are always boats."
My son did say boats. You know, it could be that the Navy has more ships than the Army...
But what do I know. I just have a little dinghy
My son (who joined the Navy three months ago) told me this amusing tidbit he learned about the services: The Navy has more planes than the Air Force; the Army has more boats than the Navy. Go figure.
First they took away the privacy of collage athletes. But I wasn't a collage athlete so I did nothing.
Next they took away the privacy of railroad workers. But I wasn't a railroad worker so I did nothing.
Then they took away the privacy of government workers. But I wasn't a government worker so I did nothing.
They took away the privacy of the police. But I wasn't a policeman so I did nothing.
Now they are taking away the privacy of the FEDERAL JUDGES! Help! Help ho! Is there anyone out there?
Barely half the people out there bother.
.ida service and applied the patch when they were confident it wouldn't break their systems.
No offense, but have you actually installed a Microsoft patch?
It's not like a Linux patch where you can look at all of the files which are being updated. This thing comes in as a huge monolithic package which you either install in toto, or not at all. You have no way of knowing all the changes it is going to make to your system. You can't back it out after you do it. It may cause some special program you have running on your system to break. It may cause some mundane, MS program to break. You may be royally screwed if you install it.
A responsible admin will setup a mirror of the production system and install the patch on that system. He will then test all of the applications running on that server. If there are no problems, then he will install the patch on the production system--and hold his breath hoping that it still works because he is never quite sure the patch will work the same on the production system. (Sometimes one gets an error installing a patch and all hell breaks loose. Sometimes it just seems to work differently on different systems.)
This all takes time and effort. I hope it's not month end. I hope the boss isn't yelling for the new servers to be brought on line right now. I hope everything is running smoothly (yea, right).
I'm amazed how many people are blaming the admins for this problem. It's the irresponsible/lazy admins who just go and apply the MS patches when they come out without testing them first. When this hole started to be exploited, the responsible admins removed the
My thoughts exactly. Do we want a guy who doesn't even know the history of the language designing the next level?
Although if he was worried they'd run out of names, he could have called it "--P."
It seems the US goverment is cutting back on everything. They have to mothball the craft because they can't squeeze in another shuttle mission.
Sure, we'd all like to have them support all these science missions, but the fact is most people just want their tax rebates and lower taxes in the future.
Can't have it both ways. I just hope it isn't forgotten forever.
OB French WWII joke:
Q: Why did the French plant trees along the Champes d'Elysees?
A: So the Germans could march in the shade.