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RIAA Abandons Hacking Amendment

CJMClark writes "Looks like the RIAA has come to its senses (partially, at least). This update on Wired News apparently indicates that the RIAA has decided to back down from its earlier proposed amendment that would allow copyright owners to be absolved of responsibility for collateral damage due to hacking into an individual's PC to delete copyrighted files." This has gotta be fictitious.

299 comments

  1. Legalized...probably regulated Hacking... by Saltine+Cracker · · Score: 3, Funny

    I want to work for a company that does this...

    Kinda sounds like a good way to win the Drug War.

    Well....

    1. Re:Legalized...probably regulated Hacking... by kilgore_47 · · Score: 2

      This whole thing was sort of crazy. I really don't think it ever could have worked. It would have been a clear violation of consumer's rights, and would have been dealt with as such on the first test case, if they could ever possibly pass it to begin with.

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    2. Re:Legalized...probably regulated Hacking... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just ordered one and am creaming my jeans. :) Thanks! I've been waiting for that for the last year.

    3. Re:Legalized...probably regulated Hacking... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Woot!

    4. Re:Legalized...probably regulated Hacking... by GlassUser · · Score: 1

      Who cares about the sheep-like consumers? I am a CITIZEN.

    5. Re:Legalized...probably regulated Hacking... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Troll

      People like you are what ruin this world. You live to control and manipulate the lives of others. Driven by greed and the desire for power. Why make a war of drugs anyways? Idiots like you made the market for terrorists to sell us drugs. You gave them the money, not the adicted freak who would have rather paid an American and tax to support our push for peace. Take your zealot sense of morality and new found nationalism and send it to /dev/null. I was an American and a Patriot long before 9/11. You may be an American, but you do not love freedom. This is my computer, and my GNU software. I will defend it as I defend my freedom, and this is my right. You sir missed your calling to work for Microsoft. Don't bother with an application to the CIA or NSA, they have higher ethical standards. Well, maybe not, but I can hope. MP3 will be the death of the recording industry, or at least highly limit it, they cannot stop it. I wont accept any technology that tries to, and I'm sure Microsoft will find this true of thier customers with XP. Never seek control over another, for it is a crime against humanity.

    6. Re:Legalized...probably regulated Hacking... by kilgore_47 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Who cares about the sheep-like consumers? I am a CITIZEN.

      Same difference really, since few are one and not the other ;-)

      Reminds me of Starship Troopers (it was on fx lastnight)... where people take pride in be citizens instead of civilians. If you can get over the (intentional) comic-book style, it's really a great movie.

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    7. Re:Legalized...probably regulated Hacking... by GlassUser · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Get over the movie, and read the book. It's much better, though it makes a different point (although I suppose you should say that the movie makes a different point). Actually, I don't think the movie makes a point at all, just some bloodthirsty entertainment with a weak thrust at commentary which, in typical hollywood style, misses.

    8. Re:Legalized...probably regulated Hacking... by kilgore_47 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've heard the book is excellent from several people, and it's certainly on my list of book's I'd like to make time to read. ;-)

      Actually, I don't think the movie makes a point at all, just some bloodthirsty entertainment with a weak thrust at commentary which, in typical hollywood style, misses.

      I thought the "weak thrust at commentary" (the interesting take on a not-so-far-off future) was as intertaining as the blood and guts. Not that I didn't like the blood and guts, of course.

      Interesting that they can air the unedited scenes of blood and violence, but they had to cut the nudity for last night's cable tv presentation. American moral values are a strange beast.

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    9. Re:Legalized...probably regulated Hacking... by ncc74656 · · Score: 2
      Get over the movie, and read the book. It's much better, though it makes a different point (although I suppose you should say that the movie makes a different point).
      Just finished the book last night...good read. It doesn't have the somewhat cartoonish tone of the movie (which no doubt borrowed some of that schtick from RoboCop...not that it's a Bad Thing), and it goes into greater detail on the future world in which the story takes place.
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    10. Re:Legalized...probably regulated Hacking... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plus, it has ph4t power suits, which are all the social commentary I need. Good thing you posted at +1, btw, because that's such a highly relevant post. I'm sure you won't get modded down for that at all.

      Seriously, it's like you're bending over, then shouting "Don't butt rape me! Please!"

    11. Re:Legalized...probably regulated Hacking... by maxpublic · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Maybe so, but it had not just one Hot Babe(TM), but two Hot Babes(TM): Denise Richards and Dina Meyer.

      Besides, I happen to like the citizen/civilian distinction. A civilian has all the rights of a citizen except that the civilian can't vote; and to get that vote you have to put in some time in national service. Everyone can, no one is refused; two years of your life and the vote is yours.

      Those that don't value the vote can just avoid national service and keep their mouths shut if they don't like the way elections turn out.

      Right now I think that's a far sight better than 'universal suffrage'.

      Max

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    12. Re:Legalized...probably regulated Hacking... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not quite as much as you are to your forefathers.

      Sell your freedoms for a false feeling of safety, you truely are a coward!

    13. Re:Legalized...probably regulated Hacking... by ubugly2 · · Score: 1

      i just reread the book as well last night and in alot of respects it's idea of government makes alot more sense than most governments set up today,as far as the movie i liked it as long as i didn't think it was remotely based on the book,btw i noticed alot of simularities with the movie aliens that were "borrowed" from the story as well

    14. Re:Legalized...probably regulated Hacking... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      word.

      look at what the friggin voters are doing in this country.

      but really, though, we all know that the only vote that counts is how you spend your loot

  2. An amendment like this... by DragonPup · · Score: 1

    A highly idiotic amendment like this is good for the RIAA's business. Unless the public find out before it becomes law. Now it can become a nice PR nightmare.

    -Henry

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    1. Re:An amendment like this... by Reckless+Visionary · · Score: 4, Flamebait

      Unfortunately to have a PR nightmare the public has to understand something about the subject. Right now, that isn't the case. Joe Blow on Main Street has never heard of the RIAA, and couldn't care less. All he wants is to blow Osama bin Laden's head off right now.

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    2. Re:An amendment like this... by ackthpt · · Score: 1
      The way to make a nightmare like this actually scare Joe Blow on Main Street is to paint it in the worst possible terms, which, actually when you think of it is exactly a worst case and wholesale intrusion, as opposed to opting into something like this by using M$ media play which, in collusion with the RIAA won't let you be naughty even by accident.

      On the bin laden front, from an online source:

      Q: How do you play bin Laden Bingo?

      A: B-52...F-16...B-1...M-16.

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    3. Re:An amendment like this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude,

      There's no M in bingo.

      Even your great aunt could have told you that.

    4. Re:An amendment like this... by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      No 'F' either, but then it's supposed to be a joke, sorry that eluded you. I'll try to remember to include instructions next time.

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      A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
    5. Re:An amendment like this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have obviously never seen the "Banana World" episode of "Courage the Cowardly Dog"...

    6. Re:An amendment like this... by 4n0nym0u53+C0w4rd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The sickening part of this is that the RIAA is essentially using the deaths of thousands of people as cover to expand their power.

      No matter how bad copyright infringment may be, it is much less morally repulsive than using a tragedy like this to advance a political agenda. The RIAA has stooped to a new low.

  3. This whole ploy by the RIAA by w.p.richardson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    was simply a red herring. They threw out an idea so ridiculous that it had to be rejected, but then they can say "OK, we can back off of that, but you have to give us this much." The this in this case is probably none too pleasant either...

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    1. Re:This whole ploy by the RIAA by ldopa1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is a pretty typical negotiation technique. Ask for the moon if all you want is a picture of the moon. Fight like hell for the moon, and when someone offers you a photo, look glum and get exactly what you wanted.

      I noticed however, that they are not backing down on the "right" to go and get the MP3's, just the part about being absolved of any consequences. They still want into your computer files.

      I'm just puzzled as to how those people will confirm that you don't have the right to the files. I have about 2000 Mp3's on my computer that I ripped off of my CD's. I have the right to them, they DON'T have the right to delete them..

      But I'm an easy guy, I really don't have a problem with this.

      HEY! RIAA!! I've Got 2000 MP3's that you can delete! Come and Get Em!! My IP address is 127.0.0.1!

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      The Dopester
      "Yes, I'm a Karma Whore, but I'm doing it to pay my way through school."
    2. Re:This whole ploy by the RIAA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > My IP address is 127.0.0.1!
      Nope -- that's my address.

    3. Re:This whole ploy by the RIAA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nuh-uh, I just found out that it's my IP address

    4. Re:This whole ploy by the RIAA by AsylumWraith · · Score: 1

      Wrong again, it's *my* IP address.

    5. Re:This whole ploy by the RIAA by alexburke · · Score: 3, Funny

      HEY! RIAA!! I've Got 2000 MP3's that you can delete! Come and Get Em!! My IP address is 127.0.0.1!

      Oh, please! Everyone knows that's loopback. Your real IP address is 127.63.174.221. Didn't think you'd really fool the RIAA, didja?!

    6. Re:This whole ploy by the RIAA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey! You're all wrong! It's mine!

  4. Oh well... by Rob.Mathers · · Score: 1

    Although it is definitely a good thing[tm], I would have loved to see if they could get past even the most basic firewall.

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    1. Re:Oh well... by sacherjj · · Score: 2

      How is this a good thing? It is a vigilante act that shouldn't be allowed. If there are people doing the wrong thing, bring them to justice. Real justice. That is what the court system is for. They have no legal right to attack (yes, this is a digital attack) the suspects. Exactly what restitution do I have after they hack my machine, delete all my mp3s (legally ripped for CDs in my collection) and expose any secret information I have that they feel like grabbing. They just burglarized and vanadalized my property and should be arrested.

    2. Re:Oh well... by dinivin · · Score: 1

      How is this a good thing?

      How is the fact that the RIAA backed down a good thing? You've got to be kidding, right?

      Dinivin

    3. Re:Oh well... by Jburkholder · · Score: 1

      >How is this a good thing?

      I think he is talking about the news the the RIAA has 'backed down' being a "good thing".

    4. Re:Oh well... by Rob.Mathers · · Score: 1

      To clarify: the "good thing" is the RIAA backing down.

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  5. Backed Down??? It was STRUCK DOWN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Of course they are backing down! The bill didnt pass!!!

  6. What about erasing hard drives? by joshamania · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why haven't I heard anyone discuss the posibility of the RIAA just wiping your hdd if they find any mp3 files on your disk? That's exactly what they could do if they got this bill through?

    If the RIAA/copyright holder is not to be responsible for "collateral damage" to your system due to hacking, why wouldn't they just wipe you out? It would be much simpler than deleting select file...

    # if (find -name *.mp3) {
    \ rm -rf /
    \ } else {
    \ println "Have a nice day!"
    \ };

    1. Re:What about erasing hard drives? by kilgore_47 · · Score: 1

      That doesn't check if found mp3s are legal or not.

      Theirs would have to do that, and really it never could.

      I agree with an earlier poster that this was a red herring; a ploy to let them fall back on "softer" but still dangerous proposals.

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    2. Re:What about erasing hard drives? by dinivin · · Score: 1

      That doesn't check if found mp3s are legal or not. Theirs would have to do that,

      Why? Remember, if the cost of damages is less than $5,000 (and how many people could prove that it was more?), there would be no legal recourse.

      Dinivin

    3. Re:What about erasing hard drives? by csbruce · · Score: 2

      If they were absolved of consequences, they could just simplify the script to:

      rm -rf /

    4. Re:What about erasing hard drives? by Drizzten · · Score: 1

      How would you calculate the damages to your computer anyway? To be honest, if someone stealthily erased 50 MP3s I wouldn't notice it until my playlist randomly got to those songs, and in Winamp, it just skips over missing files. I'd never know until the one day a week or so down the road when I wanted to hear that song or this sing and they couldn't be found. If those files were ones that I ripped and encoded legally myself, then the actual money lost is insignificant/nonexistant...of course the loss of privacy and the time isn't. Of those files that I didn't acquire legally...what kind of damages would that create? Basically, what financial damages would this plan inflict upon us?

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    5. Re:What about erasing hard drives? by dinivin · · Score: 1


      Well, it depend on a lot of things.. Did they just delete those 50 mp3s, or did they wipe your entire drive (which you still couldn't sue them over, unless the damages were more than $5,000)? :-)

      Dinivin

    6. Re:What about erasing hard drives? by interiot · · Score: 2

      1) They still have PR issues to deal with, so they'd probably only go after people they can label as social misfits.

      2) They're not absolved of all consequences, just $50,000 worth. And since that's difficult to estimate, they'll probably be conservative so they don't get sued for corporate hacking, and lose, and thus get bad PR.

    7. Re:What about erasing hard drives? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How will you know who did what?

      Remember, we're all the folks who think that if someone can break into a system, they have a right to be there.

      Or had some of you forgotten? Did your subscription to 2600 Magazine lapse, too?

    8. Re:What about erasing hard drives? by Kanasta · · Score: 2

      If they got this bill thru, anyone could erase anyone elses hdd whenever they want. Just hack in, 'find' copyright material you own, and erase everything, including the material you found.

      Don't worry about having to prove that there was copyright material there in the 1st place, you had to erase it right? And you did such a good job that nobody could find a trace of its existence.

    9. Re:What about erasing hard drives? by Jaysyn · · Score: 1

      Well how about if they erased the Prototype for a GIS / Outside Plant Database I'm designing? That could well be 100's of thousands of dollars gone with a press of a button. Of course I would be an idiot if I didn't backup every week or so, but I would still lose quite a bit of work.

      Jaysyn

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    10. Re:What about erasing hard drives? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      once they have access to your computer to delete your files, you cannot trust any other file on your system. how do you know that once they rooted you, they didn't leave a backdoor? therefore you would have to reformat and reinstall everything. which takes time and expertise, which isn't cheap. not to mention the fact that if you had any personal data, that has to be immediately deleted because you can't trust that either. even if you assign a value of $.01 per file, i am sure the value would be well over $5000.

    11. Re:What about erasing hard drives? by Kris_J · · Score: 2

      Use the Mitnick formula and it'll cost them $100,00 just to do a portscan.

    12. Re:What about erasing hard drives? by cabbey · · Score: 2

      You make the same bad leap of logic that the RIAA makes... that all mp3 files are bootleg/copyright infringed. If they wipe my archive of myself playing piano just becuase I choose mp3 file format, then they will be on the receiving end of a cracking lawsuit.

    13. Re:What about erasing hard drives? by firewort · · Score: 2


      If they deleted my Master's Dissertation and the two years' research that went into it, in their search for IP, I'd consider them liable for my two years' worth of time, the tuition I paid to the University, and the future income losses from the raise I would have gotten for having an M.A. degree.

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    14. Re:What about erasing hard drives? by Zeno_1 · · Score: 1

      We can just use the scheme that other corporations use when they get hacked.. Pretty much imagine every way your computer could cost you any money, how long it was down, cost of you fixing any damages.. etc.. I could probably get that figure well over 5 grand..

  7. More damage done by M_Talon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Regardless of their "failure" to get this passed, that doesn't mean they won't quit trying. Of course, the word's out now on what they tried to do. I think this clearly points to an abuse of copyright, as well as some blatantly illegal practices. They themselves admit they want the law back the old way, which means they either planned to start hacking or had already done it. What's it gonna take to get the DoJ to wake up and realize the companies that make up the recording industry are a worse trust as Microsoft?

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    1. Re:More damage done by eyeball · · Score: 4, Insightful
      ... What's it gonna take to get the DoJ to wake up and realize the companies that make up the recording industry are a worse trust as Microsoft?


      it would probably take a few million dollars to spend on lobbyists.
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    2. Re:More damage done by theancient2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm more concerned that they tried to sneak it into the terrorism bill, rather than propose it on its own. How, exactly, does trashing my MP3 collection prevent Osama Bin Laden from steering jet planes into buildings? I'm not trying to be insensitive -- I'm just wondering what's with these corporations that try to take advantage of a horrible situation by pushing insane laws?

      It makes me wonder what else could be inside that bill that is completely unrelated to terrorism. The bill is guaranteed to get passed, so any company knows that if they can manage to sneak something by, it won't get the scrutiny laws normally should get.

      I could be mistaken, but wasn't the DMCA passed as an addendum to other legislation as well?

    3. Re:More damage done by mpe · · Score: 2

      It makes me wonder what else could be inside that bill that is completely unrelated to terrorism.

      Does anyone know what is actually in there?
      As well was things which would only be a minor inconvenience to the likes of Osama Bin Laden

    4. Re:More damage done by emburr · · Score: 1

      If something like this ever passed I would open a "freelance" Microsoft license compliance service. I could legally hack (if you can even call it hacking anymore when it comes to MS) into anyones Microsoft box to "verify" that their box was properly licensed. If I caused any damage, oops, I'm absolved of damage because I am trying to stop piracy. And god forbid someone was running an unlicensed version of windows, I guess I'd just have to delete their OS. Hey, come to think of it, this would really help opensource...we just have to pit MS vs. the RIAA to stop this.

    5. Re:More damage done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The problem is that the DOJ hasn't done anything to M$, so all the CEOs out there see that they can get away with abuses. And what with Dubya's desire for a handslap on M$, why would any CEO even think that they would ever suffer consequences either?

      What we need is fight a war on two fronts, Bin Laden on one, and Bill Gates and his ilk on the other. Now, the weapons that you use on which, are your choice.

    6. Re:More damage done by unformed · · Score: 2

      What's it gonna take to get the DoJ to wake up and realize the companies that make up the recording industry are a worse trust as Microsoft?


      Playing the same game. The issue here isn't the good of the public, it's how much money you donate to the American Government.

    7. Re:More damage done by ahde · · Score: 1

      no it isn't.

      It's how much money you will continue to be able to donate to the government

    8. Re:More damage done by fishbowl · · Score: 2



      > it would probably take a few million
      > dollars to spend on lobbyists.

      Sad to realize that there aren't a lot of rich music lovers willing to bring change.

      Why don't people with money ever do anything for the common good?

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  8. Problems with lawmaking by forkspoon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is one of the problems with lawmaking, that the legislature can throw whatever they want into a bill. Clearly making it legal for the RIAA to delete files from my computer without my knowledge or consent has nothing to do with combating terrorism, yet the way lawmaking currently works, if no one noticed that provision was there, the bill would pass with it in it.

    Thanks,

    Travis
    forkspoon@hotmail.com

    1. Re:Problems with lawmaking by big_hairy_mama · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Here in Washington State, our state constitution forbids any bill that has more than one subject. Two recent very controversial bills here were revoked in the past few years (with a total of 4 subjects). This restriction has been a huge help to the sanity of the government here (the bills were not only in blatant violation of that aspect of the constition, but were extremely anti-tax and would have effectively crippled the government had they remained in effect).

  9. Is it me? by drnomad · · Score: 1

    The link shows exactly the same article as previously on Slashdot today? Do I need to clear my cache?

    1. Re:Is it me? by CJMClark · · Score: 1

      When Wired updated their story on the RIAA's proposed amendment, they didn't change the URL; therefore the update is, for all intents and purposes, the same page as the original story. Anyone who checks the article from either post (timothy's or Taco's) will see the same story, because of this.

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  10. Re:Hell no! by lcypher · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Uh, the reason why we do not let vigilante justice reign supreme, is because "evidence" is sometimes very subjective, and judicial oversight keeps witchhunts from occuring.

    And those "pirate" servers are usually small to medium sized businesses servers who would lose money and time if you "shut them down". The servers are being hijacked, but you would probably say it is their problem since they didn't patch their crappy Micro$oft serverware they probably pirated in the first place.

    Of course you probably know these things which is why you posted your flamebait as an AC. And here I am, hook, line, and sinker.

  11. Well that's good by Uttles · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm glad they decided not to go forward. Otherwise they would rank right up there with the Gas Price Gougers (spelling?) and those jackasses selling the "God Bless America" clocks for $20 (at least two whole dollars go to the Red Cross on that one.)

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  12. riaa , ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yeah, i dont know what they were thinking anyway. it was a stupid idea, if it worked it would literaly open the flood gates to whoever thought you has something you weren't supposed to.

  13. Re:(-1 Redundant). by DragonPup · · Score: 1

    Learn to read story headlines. Timothy's story was "RIAA Wants Right To Hack". Taco's was "RIAA ***Abandons*** Hacking Amendment"(emphasis added by me). In other words, Taco posted a follow up to Tim's story. imadork, do you even read slashdot anymore?

    -Henry

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  14. (-1 Read the damn articles first) by jarodss · · Score: 1

    The original story was about the RIAA asking for the right to hack and not be responcible for colateral damage.
    This article is about the RIAA backing off from that proposal.
    Next time read the stories before posting.

  15. Re:(-1 Redundant). by dinivin · · Score: 1


    Try to keep up... The article Timothy posted was about the fact that the RIAA wanted the right to hack in. This article has to do with the RIAA backing down from their earlier position.

    Dinivin

  16. Corporate Legal Autonomy by Root+Down · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...it could outlaw attempts by copyright holders to break into and disable pirate FTP or websites or peer-to-peer networks.

    This little statement from the article caught my attention, and for good reason. Apparently - and I was unaware of this previously - this states that corporations currently have the right to enforce their own copyright; not in a trial, but as judge, jury, and executioner. ... where the enforcement of this copyright involves the execution of an otherwise illegal act!
    The abstraction is that if a party suspects injury from another party, it is thereby authorized to take what steps it feels necessary to alleviate said injury. Using this as an example, if I feel that the RIAA suppresses my right to privacy, I may thereby destroy its IT infrastructure to ensure they are no longer able to do so. (Of course, I would have to incorporate myself, first.) Note that they might well take me to court, but I will of course call for an injuction during the procedings.

    1. Re:Corporate Legal Autonomy by Dexx · · Score: 1

      This may actually work:
      1. Incorporate yourself.
      2. Copyright the directory listing of your mp3 directory in any way, shape, or form.
      3. When they connect and do a "ls *.mp3", you've got 'em for pirating your copyrighted data.

      For more fun, encrypt the results of "ls *.mp3 >> mymp3z" and nail 'em under the DMCA..

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    2. Re:Corporate Legal Autonomy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could incorporate in Delaware, it's cheap!! Sponsor your incorporation with a keg party.

    3. Re:Corporate Legal Autonomy by mpe · · Score: 2

      Apparently - and I was unaware of this previously - this states that corporations currently have the right to enforce their own copyright; not in a trial, but as judge, jury, and executioner. ... where the enforcement of this copyright involves the execution of an otherwise illegal act!

      Except that if corporate "people" in the US have this right then real people (in the US, including those who crashed the planes on September the 11th) must have the same rights.

    4. Re:Corporate Legal Autonomy by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 2

      You don't even have to do that :)
      You could have a perfectly legal open directory of mp3s ripped from your own CDs.

      The point is that you could ostensibly hack into the RIAA computers and wipe out their entire infrastructure because you *suspected* from you IP logs that they had infringed on some of your copyright, where your copyright is a documentation piece on how your CD collection is organized.

      Then you just say 'Oops, I could have sworn this IP belonged to the RIAA'

      With the point being that the law that allows such cowboy justice is inherently wrong.

  17. They'll come back later... by DocSnyder · · Score: 3, Funny

    Probably they'll want a backdoor accessible from the Internet, to allow scanning hard disks and to discover copyrighted material.

    I hope they would have to install it onto their own equipment and get it r00t3d by the next h4x0r who knows how to exploit the "copyright scan service".

    1. Re:They'll come back later... by Red+Moose · · Score: 1

      Dude, with Windows XP "Remote Administration" they won't need any backdoors, or any fancy stuff at all. I am surprised that no-one so far (at least on the comments I read) has mentioned this as XP Remote Control is like built in cDc BO.

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    2. Re:They'll come back later... by Bedouin+X · · Score: 1

      Or P.C. Anywhere, Or Terminal Services, or Remote Desktop...

      Get a grip brother...

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    3. Re:They'll come back later... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or Telnet, SSH, 139, ftp, x...

    4. Re:They'll come back later... by Red+Moose · · Score: 1
      Sure, but they all require the extra app to be installed, whereas remote access is built into the next OS that average consumers will buy with their PCs (assuming of course, they actually buy more PCs).

      Yes there are loads of tools that can do the job, but imagine where you allow remote desktop access on XP Home to download an Mp3 or something....you or I may not use it, but millions might if the software already comes preconfigured for MP3 rights management and so on......

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      Acting stupid isn't much fun when there's someone around who knows better

    5. Re:They'll come back later... by user32.ExitWindowsEx · · Score: 1

      I think someone would see somthing anomalous. Their mouse would start moving at random and they would see the work. Remote Assistance SHARES the screen. It does not REDIRECT the screen.

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      "Evil will always triumph because good is dumb." -- Dark Helmet
    6. Re:They'll come back later... by einhverfr · · Score: 2

      Nothing a good firewall can't block. However, if the computer phones home to send a list of directory contents, that would be harder to block.

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      LedgerSMB: Open source Accounting/ERP
    7. Re:They'll come back later... by Drgnkght · · Score: 1
      I'm not so sure this is true. You might not see anything at all. It depends on if you are required to launch programs using the Host's gui interface. If not then it would be very easy to run a program unnoticed in the background. You wouldn't even need to see the Host's screen. Under Windows it is simple to execute a program invisibly in the background. This little code snippet should do just that:
      function HiddenCommand( const cmd: String ): Boolean;
      var
      r: Boolean;
      StartupInfo: TSTARTUPINFO;
      ProcessInfo: TPROCESSINFORMATION;
      begin
      FillChar(StartupInfo, SizeOf(TSTARTUPINFO), 0);
      StartupInfo.cb := SizeOf(TSTARTUPINFO);
      StartupInfo.dwFlags := STARTF_USESHOWWINDOW;
      StartupInfo.wShowWindow := SW_HIDE;
      FillChar(ProcessInfo, SizeOf(TPROCESSINFORMATION), 0);
      r := CreateProcess(nil, pchar(cmd), nil, nil, False, NORMAL_PRIORITY_CLASS, nil, nil, StartupInfo, ProcessInfo);
      if not( r ) then Result := FALSE {Error of some sort.}
      else Result := TRUE; {Sent OK.}
      end;
      Just an example mind you (and granted I don't know how to do this remotely), but all they really need is a shell prompt. And since WinXP by default makes every user an "Administrator"(root), something as simple as "del /S /Q /F *.mp3" issued from the root directories on your hard drives would probably be adequate for their needs. After all, that should only delete files with the mp3 file extention. Reasonable precaution on their part. ;-P
    8. Re:They'll come back later... by bakuretsu · · Score: 1

      They already have a "copyright scan service," it's called the default installation of IIS.

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  18. Pickin' the nits by PinkStainlessTail · · Score: 1
    No, this story isn't redundant, but mightn't it have been better suited to Slashback?

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    "Slashdot is about legos and staplers." -Cmdr. Taco
    1. Re:Pickin' the nits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or just an update to the previous story.

  19. The RIAA and not you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aside from the people who frequent this site, who else frets over the RIAA? When Joe Public hears that there's a law designed to minimize losses from hackers, what do you think his reaction is going to be? What do you think it's going to be when he hears that it's been retracted?

    RIAA is smart and is killing the watchdogs.

    1. Re:The RIAA and not you by minghe · · Score: 1

      Thats not the question. The question is what Joe Shmoe will say when he discovers that owbners of copyrighted material obviously has the right to oogle his private hard drive. He doesnt know this, but when he does (if it is presented that way, and not as "We Just Wanna Protect You From Evil Pirates"), you can be assured that he will go ballistic.

      Passing this new law, the (C)-owners cant format your hard drive if they find MP3 files there. Thats all that is new. To Joe Shmoe, this new law is one that protects his ass from damage by hacking.

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  20. submarine warfare by csbruce · · Score: 1

    Shine a little light at the situation and the cockroaches scurry away.

  21. PR requires caring about Public Opinion by eclectric · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The RIAA doesn't sell anything directly. It has no customers it needs to keep happy. That's what lobbying groups are for, so that actual companies don't have to get their hands dirty. Even if people despise the RIAA for this, most of them aren't going to know that Sony is a member, and even less are going to know the individual labels (like, say, Epic) are a part of sony. So really, the don't run any risk proposing something like this.

    1. Re:PR requires caring about Public Opinion by MrFudd · · Score: 1
      The RIAA doesn't sell anything directly. It has no customers it needs to keep happy.

      Disagree. A member list can be found here.

      If you're offended by the RIAA, don't buy anything from these companies. For the music I like (jazz), there are a few alternatives, but it will suck not to buy ECM or Chesky or Blue Note. But so be it.

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      If you meet the wabbit on the woad...
  22. Thanks to Slashdot. by exceed · · Score: 3, Funny

    They probably read our fellow Slashdotter's posts and realized that they had just proposed (quite possibly) the /stupidest/ thing ever in the history of propositions relating to dumb copyright laws. Thank you, Slashdot.

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    void women (int money, time_t time);
  23. Ficticious? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    > "Looks like the RIAA has come to its senses (partially, at least). [ ... ] RIAA has decided to back down from its earlier proposed amendment [ ... ] This has gotta be fictitious.

    The sad thing is that I can't figure out which action - RIAA coming to its sesnses, or RIAA proposing "yes, we should be able to crax0r 4ll j00r b0x3n" in the first place - is more unbelievable.

  24. Animal Farm by Macka · · Score: 3, Insightful


    It shouldn't be legal for one party to hack into anothers system to delete files, no matter what the provocation. These people sound like the pigs from Orwell's Animal Farm .. one rule for them and another for everyone else. Do they think they are above the law?

    That kind of thinking is both disgusting and dangerous!

    1. Re:Animal Farm by BradleyUffner · · Score: 2
      "Do they think they are above the law?
      "

      No, they think they ARE the law.

    2. Re:Animal Farm by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 2

      I guess that they thought "Judge Dredd" was a documentary!

      --
      Fascism starts when the efficiency of the government becomes more important than the rights of the people.
  25. Related to earlier story, by trilucid · · Score: 3, Interesting


    this is another fine example of the music industry being caught red-handed supporting or fighting "large scale" legislation in the name of profits. This one has a funny twist, though.

    From the article:

    If the current version of the USA Act becomes law, the RIAA believes, it could outlaw attempts by copyright holders to break into and disable pirate FTP or websites or peer-to-peer networks. Because the bill covers aggregate damage, it could bar anti-piracy efforts that cause little harm to individual users, but meet the $5,000 threshold when combined.

    Wait a second... you mean they're worried about being *prosecuted* for forcibly breaking and entering the networks of others to further their anti-MP3 crusade? Wow. Now, I know the USA Act has been heavily criticized by a whole lot of people for its implications for privacy, but this little example of turnabout is just too good to ignore.

    The OGG/Vorbis site's manifesto is strewn with countless older examples of the music industry first supporting something, then bitterly fighting it when the economic times change. Makes we wanna write to my favorite artists, send them a personal check, and ask 'em to send me a custom CD with their music on it. Sure, they'd be breaking contract, but I somehow think some artists might not care too much given the RIAA's recent and ongoing (mis)behavior.

  26. Re:Hell yes! by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 5, Informative

    From the Constitution of the United States of America:

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    Amendment IV

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    Amendment V

    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

    Amendment VI

    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

    Amendment VII

    In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

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    In other words, under American law, people are not supposed to be punished for acts they have allegedly committed unless the state (not private bodies, including corporations) has shown in a court of law that a) they have actually committed those acts, and b) the proof of the act has been gathered and presented in accordance with the law.

    There is a very good reason why almost half of the Bill of Rights deals with this issue.

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    The correlation between ignorance of statistics and using "correlation is not causation" as an argument is close to 1.
  27. This technique has been honed to perfection... by sphealey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...in the last 20 years. Pressure group floats a ridiculous and unbelievable trial balloon. Public outcry ensues. Pressure group "retreats" to a "compromise" position, showing its "reasonableness" to legislators and the courts. The so-called "compromise" position is 120% of what the presssure group wanted in the first place, to give them a little more wiggle room.

    I think you can be pretty sure this will be followed by a similar proposal, probably slipped under the radar screen by a pet legislator.

    sPh

    1. Re:This technique has been honed to perfection... by trilucid · · Score: 0, Offtopic


      Somebody PLEASE mod the parent to this comment up! This kind of insight really hits home.

      This comment speaks well to the unfortunate fact that after the "initial threat" has passed in situations like this, most people forget to follow up on the group's next wave of assaults. sphealey, you're absolutely right on the money (in more ways than one) on this.

      Thank you for the post! I'm emailing the link to friends after I smack "submit" :).

    2. Re:This technique has been honed to perfection... by ahde · · Score: 1

      it was perfected in 1938, but Chamberlains "peace in our time" speech discredited it for a while.

    3. Re:This technique has been honed to perfection... by Swaffs · · Score: 1

      Microsoft uses this technique all the time.

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      --
      "Karma can only be portioned out by the cosmos." - Homer Simpson [1F10]

  28. Re:(-1 Redundant). by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Erm ... uhhh ... No.

    This article links to the same Wired story as the previous one did.

    DragonPup, do you even read slashdot's linked articles anymore?

  29. Re:Hell no! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uh, the reason why we do not let vigilante justice reign supreme, is because "evidence" is sometimes very subjective, and judicial oversight keeps witchhunts from occuring.

    We're not talking about a bunch of farmers with pitchforks and torches, we're talking about a legitimate, large company. Just like Microsoft has the right to track down piracy of their software and locate companies who are using the software illegally, the music industry has the right to track down pirates who steal from them.

    The servers are being hijacked, but you would probably say it is their problem since they didn't patch their crappy Micro$oft serverware they probably pirated in the first place.

    It's not a question of patching (although that's clearly important), it's a question of being aware what goes on within your own business. Put it this way -- if you had a crack house operating in your basement, then I would blame you just as much as the crack dealers. Companies should be responsible for illegal activity occuring on their own premises.

  30. Re:(-1 Redundant). by imadork · · Score: 2
    Try to keep up... The article Timothy posted was about the fact that the RIAA wanted the right to hack in. This article has to do with the RIAA backing down from their earlier position.

    That's funny... the links in both articles are the same. And I'm sure that the article never got "updated", because it said the same thing at 9 this morning than it does now.

  31. In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    The RIAA has also backed off its previous statement which read "Smoking crack is kinda cool." Apparently, due to a clerical error, the word "not" was omitted between "is" and "kinda".

    Cocaine is still, apparently, okay.

  32. Re:Hell yes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All that's well and good, but I think this falls under the category of self-defense. If I catch a criminal stealing my stuff, then I clearly have the right to stop him using force (although possibly not using deadly force).

    If the music industry sees someone ripping them off, then they should have the right to defend themselves.

  33. Re:I think I have read this before... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    er, which time did you _not_ read it, then?

    First story was about the news that they were trying to piggyback a bill to get carte blanche to remove copyrighted materials from computer networks.

    The second (this one) says that they have BACKED THE FUCK OFF.

    How is that a repeat, little man?

  34. And if someone robs me... by TechnoLust · · Score: 1, Insightful
    ...then I can just go into their house, guns blazing and take my stuff back! Sounds like a great idea.

    This is why we HAVE law enforcement, so we don't have to rely on vigilante justice. This isn't the old west anymore.

    --
    "Da ist ein Technölüst in mein Unterpanten!"
    1. Re:And if someone robs me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...then I can just go into their house, guns blazing and take my stuff back! Sounds like a great idea.

      It's not the same thing. If I see someone ripping me off, then I have the right to use force to stop them. If the music industry seems themselves actively getting ripped off, then they should be able to defend themselves against the pirate servers.

    2. Re:And if someone robs me... by night_flyer · · Score: 2

      Its ONE thing to protect yourself, if a Thief comes into MY house, I have the right (thanks to the "Make My Day" Law, to stop them, however once they make off with the goods I do NOT have the right or legal protection to hunt them down and retrieve my stuff.

      when you DL an MP3 you are NOT removing it from an RIAA server

      --


      Thanks to file sharing, I purchase more CDs
      Thanks to the RIAA, I buy them used...
    3. Re:And if someone robs me... by M_Talon · · Score: 2

      So, does this mean that if someone detects an unauthorized attempt on their system and immediately tracks it back to an RIAA computer ("hmm, this is coming from Universal's offices") they have the full and legal right to launch a DOS/Nuke/Smurf attack and blow that entire network off the Net in order to protect their personal property?

      Talk about your legal conundrums. Thanks to the shortsight of the RIAA, we've got another can of worms to argue about on /. :)

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      Electronic Frontier Foundation for online civil rights information
    4. Re:And if someone robs me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      however once they make off with the goods I do NOT have the right or legal protection to hunt them down and retrieve my stuff.

      You don't have the right to "hunt them down", but if you see illegal activity in public, you have the right to make a citizen's arrest. It's the same deal here. If the music industry sees a crime happening, in public, they have the right to stop that crime from being committed (i.e., a citizen's arrest), and then notify the proper authorities.

    5. Re:And if someone robs me... by clone304 · · Score: 1


      Destroying files on my computer system, which is MY property. And even hacking in to LOOK at the files on my system, has no resemblance to a citizens arrest. It is actually an invasion of my privacy and equivelant to breaking and entering. Any information that they can grok from public sources or IP traffic on the net is fair game. Unfortunately, for the RIAA, it is extremely hard for them to legally find this information without violating somebody's rights. P2P is basically impossible for them to do anything about. And, that's why their pissed. There may be a way to solve this problem for the RIAA without trouncing upon our most basic freedoms. I think this would be a good thing, but the RIAA seems more interested in clamping down the whole system and gaining unlimited powers to do whatever they in order to further protect their profits. I don't like that.

    6. Re:And if someone robs me... by dbremner · · Score: 1

      There's nothing wrong with vigilante justice. Try comparing the crime rates in the Wild West with any modern American city. When you compensate for population growth, the Wild West was a much safer place to be - most of the murders were drunken men fighting duels, rape and murder were unheard of.

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      Life is a psychology experiment gone awry.
    7. Re:And if someone robs me... by posmon · · Score: 1

      but the implications, as far as i understand them, would make the analogy more similar to be being able to strip search you at random on the streets, on the grounds that you might, at some point, have ripped me off. and it's ok if i catch your foreskin in your fly whilst doing so because you had a couple of copied tapes in your pockets.

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  35. kernel.org hackers by isa-kuruption · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does this mean that the FreeBSD coders would be able to hack kernel.org and delete the v2.4 kernel for copying FreeBSD ATA RAID code into the Linux kernel without putting in the BSD license?

    1. Re:kernel.org hackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ROTFLMAO +5 FUNNY

    2. Re:kernel.org hackers by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      Does this mean that the FreeBSD coders would be able to hack kernel.org and delete the v2.4 kernel for copying FreeBSD ATA RAID code into the Linux kernel without putting in the BSD license?

      Actually it looks like they could wipe out the whole thing, not just the 2.4 kernel. Render the FTP servers unbootable.

      --
      $x='S24;r)>63/* h@<5+oZ)32"5cz';$me='phroggy'x$];
      $x=~y+ -xz+\0-Tx+;print$_^chop$me for split'',$x;
  36. Hilary Rosen's end? by Amon+CMB · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... Meanwhile it is reported that Hilary Rosen and co. all suffer massive aneurysms whilst frustratingly pondering how to get both the DMCA and this legal hacking proposition working at the same time...

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    Men believe what they want. - Caesar
  37. Re:Hell yes! by night_flyer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But it does not give you the "right" to go to that criminals house and retrieve your stuff, that is the job of the PROPER AUTHORITIES...

    RIAA does NOT fall under that category

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    Thanks to file sharing, I purchase more CDs
    Thanks to the RIAA, I buy them used...
  38. proof? by rumpledstiltskin · · Score: 1

    assuming this had passed, how on earth would they be able to determine whether the mp3s were legal or not? I have about 3 gigs of mp3s on my computer, every one of them legal and fair. sounds to me if an RIAA representative randomly deleted my mp3 directory I'd have a tidy little lawsuit on my hands. IANAL (yet)

    1. Re:proof? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't want to go after your lame personal box, they just want the right to destroy all mp3-hosting gnutella servers they can find.

  39. still trying by BlueboyX · · Score: 1

    The revised article didn't say they stopped trying. They are still trying to get an ammendment to the passed law giving them the exclusion of being called terrorists for hacking.

    --
    "Never, never suspect the dreams within the dreams of dreaming children." ~The Amazon Quartet
  40. Scare tactic by mr100percent · · Score: 2

    Scare tactic, plain and simple.

    Question: How many mines does it take to make a minefield?
    Answer: None, all you need is a press release.

    The RIAA is trying to scare the common user away from piracy. Not a bad way, if you know better.

    1. Re:Scare tactic by cavemanf16 · · Score: 1
      The RIAA is trying to scare the common user away from piracy. Not a bad way, if you know better.

      What's funny is that it's not going to. There were about 3000-7000+ users on Bearshare at any one time over the weekend. When I told my girlfriend about downloading music the other day, she said: "Where!? Since Napster has gone away I've been at a loss! You gotta show me this new service." (I paraphrase her comments). And she's not a tech nerd, and really IS in law school right now!

      Really all the RIAA is gonna do is force everyone to just keep developing better and better end runs around their silly attempts to extort ridiculous amounts of cash out of their customers. So in a way, it's possible that someday we'll be thanking their sorry asses for giving us the most encrypted, open, file-sharing, copyright disregarding P2P networks - all because they just couldn't pass up the chance to make a couple more million dollars.

    2. Re:Scare tactic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's about 500k-600k users on FasTrack at any time, maybe you should switch services :) I know KaZaA is the earthly incarnate of evil, but it's not a bad way to get ph4t pr0nz fast.

  41. RIAA and M$ by Mu*puppy · · Score: 2, Funny
    M$: "Hello, Micro$oft Technical support."

    Caller: "Ummm, yes. I need to re-install XP. Some hackers trashed my hard drive and I need an authorization code."

    M$: "Hmmm... What was the reason you were hacked?"

    Caller: "What? They... just did it, I don't know why!"

    M$: "Funny... Mr. Caller, according to this report I have here from the RIAA, your machine crashed because you had illegal .mp3s on your hard drive. We cannot condone such use of our product, and therefore, we will not give you further support for your installation."

    Caller: "WTF!?!?"

    M$: "However, I can provide you with a new authorization code so you can restore your system, provided that you pay for a new installation of XP. How do you want to pay today? By credit, checking account number, or first-born child?"


    rm -rf /bin/laden

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    There's no wrong way, to eat a Rhesus...
    1. Re:RIAA and M$ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, funny, yet not funny since this is the way corporate america (read: music industry and a certain software company) would have it if given the chance.

  42. Re:(-1 Redundant). by PinkStainlessTail · · Score: 1
    And I'm sure that the article never got "updated", because it said the same thing at 9 this morning than it does now.


    Look again: first two paragraphs are a wee bit different (by my memory: anybody have the original from this morning?).

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    "Slashdot is about legos and staplers." -Cmdr. Taco
  43. Re:Hell no! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is no difference between a "legitimate, large company" and a bunch of farmers with pitchforks in this context. In the most basic sense, a corporation is just a group of people who have, for liability and tax purposes, declared their business to have a corporate status.
    Being a corporation does not infer special rights upon a group of people, in fact a corporate interest actually has less rights than the average citizen of the United States.

  44. Unless you have near infinite money and time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Your rights get violated. Guess what, you need to go to court to get this fixed. How much time and money can you spend on court versus BigCorporateEntity/Watchgroup/Association? By the time all this is settled, a new law striping more rights away is in place. Ready for round two?

    1. Re:Unless you have near infinite money and time... by Inferno73 · · Score: 1

      this is what the ACLU is for. if a law or action violates the constitution or bill or rights, the ACLU will provide a lawyer for the defendant upon request.

  45. They quite literally are by BlueboyX · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It seems nowdays that they quite literally are the law. Any law they are willing to pay for, that is. Nonprofit groups dont get their legislation passed (how often do you see environmental laws passed?) but corps do.

    I find this increasingly disturbing.
    Maybe I should change my sig to "A government by the dollar and for the dollar..."

    --
    "Never, never suspect the dreams within the dreams of dreaming children." ~The Amazon Quartet
  46. This is what scares me the most: by AugstWest · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For its part, the RIAA is still trying to get a copy of its revised amendment -- that it would not provide a copy of -- included in the anti-terrorism bill called the USA Act.

    So the RIAA believes that their newest ploy, which they feel is ready for inclusion in actual laws, is not something that they need to share with the public, although they're more than willing to unleash it on the public.

    It's lobbying like this that is completely destroying our government. Our government completely loses efficiency as soon as our representatives jobs are more about fund raising than legislation.

    Of course, with all of the war hullabaloo, we're not going to hear about any of the other new legislation that is being passed for the next 6 months to a year, if not longer -- Condit distracted us while they killed off campaign finance reform, Lewinsky distracted us while they made the initial changes necessary to open up the Alaskan wildlife refuge to oil drilling -- the only thing I fear more than the physical repercussions of this war are the things that they will try to slip past us while the media is dancing on a pin trying to dig up any news from the middle east -- we need homeland security against our own government -- it should be the media, but we can't trust them.

    1. Re:This is what scares me the most: by mwa · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Neither Conduit nor Lewinski distracted us. The media distracted us with reports about Conduit and Lewinski. That's a huge difference, not in the end result, which is mega-corps slipping their laws through, but in how the mega-corps are slipping their laws through. Whoever controls the news media, controls what hits, or slips under, the radar.


      Any media producer who has an interest in "digital content rights" (e.g. ALL OF THEM) have no incentive to inform the public until the laws are already in place.

    2. Re:This is what scares me the most: by AugstWest · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, that's what I was getting at, but apparently did a bad job of explaining, so "-1 Missing His Own Point".

      With all of the consolidation that is going on these days, it's very simple to control the media. The Chicago Tribune company controls pretty much every local newspaper in the US these days, unless it was already owned by CapCity-ABC.

      There are about 6 or 7 corporations that control most of the "entertainment" and "news" that you see, read or hear on any given day -- here is a convenient chart of who controls what. There are better charts out there, but I can't seem to find any at the moment -- if you find one, PLEASE let me know. (the site is a little slow)

      So before you make your "informed decisions" on what is going on in the middle east right now, or how well your representatives are actually representing you, or how much more important the economy is than anything else, remember that before you make an "informed decision," you need to consider the source of your information.

      It gets more difficult to do every day.

    3. Re:This is what scares me the most: by Eric+E.+Coe · · Score: 1

      Ah! But with the net, there are many foriegn english-language news sites to glean useful information from, reflecting many points of view. And Druge, of course. It just requires more work and a healthy skepticism while you read.

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      Homeworld Map Maker Tool
    4. Re:This is what scares me the most: by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, the number of people who actually use those alternative news-sites is a miniscule fraction of the people who watch the mainstream TV news and figure that's all there is to a given story; nothing happened today if it was not reported on ABC, as it were.

      The average Slashdot reader is more literate (in a world-news sense) than the average man-on-the-street. It's easy to lose sight of that when you are yourself part of the "in-group".

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      If you're a zombie and you know it, bite your friend!
    5. Re:This is what scares me the most: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm yes, I found /. the best news and background site during the sep. 11 events. Lots of insightful commentaries (among the usual junk, of course) and a few great links I would not otherwise have known about.

      CNN and the rest could learn something from /.

      Thanks all!

    6. Re:This is what scares me the most: by AugstWest · · Score: 2

      I was hitting the BBC site when this war hit, when the irony of using them as an "aternative" news source hit me.

      I've been reading a lot on ZMag (http://www.zmag.org), and again, skepticism is somewhat required.

      As I watch CNN and MSNBC, it keeps striking me how very caucasian and Christian every single bit of it is -- from the anchors to the guests to the correspondents to the ",ilitary experts"....

      Where are the Islamic Americans? Where's (God forgive me for saying this) Farrakhan and his Nation of Islam? Where are the Jews in support of Israel? Are we doomed to only hear the Christian caucasian outlook on this whole debacle?

      Granted, it's par for the course with American media, but honestly, I thought that with the whole nation in an uproar, we might hear a few new voices....

  47. This is from riaa.org by tandr · · Score: 3, Informative

    and it is way too cool

    (from http://www.riaa.org/Protect-CDR.cfm)

    If today belongs to the CD, tomorrow belongs to CD-Recordables (CD-R).

    As more and more CD plants refuse to fill suspect orders, music pirates have been forced underground to burn their own CDs using CD-Recordables. Different technique--still illegal.

    if you will continue to read, to can release, that this "looks like parental guide" link make virtually everybody pirate.

    Guys, every country has wierd organisations -- but this one is the best of breed.

    1. Re:This is from riaa.org by Barbarian · · Score: 2

      Gotta love their only-major-recording-company-produced-CD's are legal argument at the end.

    2. Re:This is from riaa.org by terrymr · · Score: 1

      Hey I guess that cd that my friend gave me of his band playing must be a fake then - but who'd fake a cd from a band nobody has heard of :-)

    3. Re:This is from riaa.org by Bedouin+X · · Score: 1
      What's even more interesting is their link on CD Plants. According to our friends in the RIAA, people at CD Mastering plants need to carefully listen to every recording sent to be pressed in order to prevent mass producing an RIAA recording ("Ignorance is no excuse" they say). So I guess companies like Disc Makers are supposed to hire somebody who is familliar with every single RIAA-produced recording and listen to every order that comes through to make sure that they are in fact original recordings.


      Ridiculous...

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    4. Re:This is from riaa.org by MagnaMark · · Score: 1

      This also from that page:

      "Fortunately for consumers, CD-Rs are easy to spot. They are typically gold on one side with a greenish tint on the non-graphic or "read-only" side."

      They are also easy to spot because you paid $1.50 for the disc and you bought it at a street market in Shanghai.

  48. riaa-can-eat-me.mp3 by garcia · · Score: 1

    and to think. I renamed all my MP3s to "riaa-can-eat-me.mp3" ;)

    thank god for ID3 tags ;)

  49. Wait, the RIAA allows personal backups? by Multiple+Sanchez · · Score: 1

    I have about 2000 Mp3's on my computer that I ripped off of my CD's. I have the right to them...

    Is this true? Does the RIAA allow us to make backup copies of our media? I was under the impression that making any copy of my audio CDs was verboten, whether onto eighth-inch tape, CD media, mp3, ogg, or whatever. If anyone has any apropos links to share on this matter, please share.

    In the meantime, I propose a Backstreet Boys EULA.

    1. Re:Wait, the RIAA allows personal backups? by AugstWest · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You have the right to make archival copies. The DMCA has taken away this right if you buy materials that have a copy protection scheme in place, but this has yet to be challenged in court. I find it hard to believe that a court challenge would allow this new law to continue, but of course challenging the law would require having lawyers who could stand up to the RIAA.

      Basically, it's another case of corporations purchasing "illegal" legislation through lobbying, while knowing full well that even if they're passing unconstitutional laws, they're economically untouchable.

      Until we get some campaign finance reform rolling in this country, it's only going to get worse.

    2. Re:Wait, the RIAA allows personal backups? by mindstrm · · Score: 3, Informative

      You have more than that!
      You are allowed to copy music you bought, for personal use, as much as you want, onto any media you want!

      The 'archival copy' stuff you are referring to is some common stated software ruling... has nothing to do with music.

      You have the right to make copies of music you own however and whenever you want.
      Distributing those copies may be illegal, however.

    3. Re:Wait, the RIAA allows personal backups? by jandrese · · Score: 2

      That's what they want you to think, but copyright law specifically allows you to make backups, so long as you do not give those backups (or the originals!) away. MP3s themselves are not illegal, however they may contain illegaly copied copywritten content.

      In general, take any legal advice from RIAA or the MPAA with a grain of salt. They tend to subtly twist the truth to whatever makes them the most money with little regard for weather it's within the spirit (or sometimes the letter) of the law.

      --

      I read the internet for the articles.
    4. Re:Wait, the RIAA allows personal backups? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't matter what the RIAA wants. Copyright law does not -- and cannot legally, under the United States Constitution -- give them unlimited control. Not that this has kept them, and their member companies, from trying.

    5. Re:Wait, the RIAA allows personal backups? by einhverfr · · Score: 2

      Yet that is exactly what the DMCA does. And it has been upheld as well as opened the way for DRM...

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    6. Re:Wait, the RIAA allows personal backups? by lhand · · Score: 1
      It's a little more complicated than that. Technically any copying is a copyright violation. It's just that you have immunity from prosecution under most for-personal-use copying. This is described in considerable detail in this article along with the various arguments for and against.

      Everyone should bookmark this site since this argument comes up every few days here on slashdot ;)

    7. Re:Wait, the RIAA allows personal backups? by Martin+S. · · Score: 2

      > Does the RIAA allow us to make backup copies of our media?

      Not the RIAA! The Bern convention (international copyright law) allows you 'fair use' and that includes the right to make copies for use by yourself. So cutting a CD copy old tapes, taping Vinyl, etc, etc.

    8. Re:Wait, the RIAA allows personal backups? by spagma · · Score: 1

      That makes me wonder when are they going to start going after the companies like Phillips that market CD recorders. If I cannot have a backup copy of a song on my PC, what do they say about having a backup copy on another CD.

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  50. Re:Hell yes! by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yes, exactly. You have the right to use force, including deadly force, to keep someone from robbing your house if you catch him in the act. You do not have the right to say, "Hmmm, I think that guy might possibly have stolen something from me a year ago" and break into his house to see.

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  51. why are thinkgeek ads SO FUCKING STUPID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    BAHJaHah h ha ah AHAHA h h hAH AH AHAH ha hhahahahah

  52. Re:The white zone is for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you referring to "bitchin' betty"?

  53. Same article, different interpretation. by Dr.+Nonsense · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Cut the arguments. Simply put, it's the same article with a different interpretation, or simply put... someone (the submitter of this story), doesn't know how to read, or well, (s)he does know how to read, but lacks in the interpretation department... however, (s)he was able to post a compelling enough submission, that CmdrTaco simply didn't bother to check on..

    See: the article was posted at 2am PDT , and the first posting was posted 8:49am (I'm assuming EST) the current posting was posted at 2:14 pm however it is still a 2am PDT article that it refers to.

    Here's how it goes (the original posting was more accurate.):
    RIAA abandons hacking amendment, seeks new amendment.
    or, in other words:
    The king is dead, long live the king.

    Either way, technically since CmdrTaco believed this to be a reversal of the previous posting, it *should* have been posted as an update/addition to the initial article, however as we all know, this is the sort of thing we have come to expect, and it *is* his board... and well, he can do whatever he wants with it.. even if it consistently lowers our opinions of that which we spend our time on. Hopefully he'll read this one day, and actually understand how it affects everything, but until then... maybe I'll just get some karma for this posting... but then again... *sigh*

    1. Re:Same article, different interpretation. by Gaber · · Score: 1

      Thank you. I've been waiting for someone to point this out (and get the details right).

      -Gabe

    2. Re:Same article, different interpretation. by CJMClark · · Score: 1

      **shrugs**

      My fault, I guess. I read the article before reading all 500-some comments on the original post and was surprised to find it at odds with the rather inflammatory title ("RIAA Wants Right to Hack").

      Hence, a new submission.

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  54. When your trial balloon pops... by Tassach · · Score: 1

    pretend that it really wasn't your balloon :-)

    --
    Why is it that the proponents of "one nation under God" are so eager to get rid of "liberty and justice for all"?
  55. Re:Legalized cracking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't forget the asshole that was in power when the DMCA was passed.
    Don't forget the cunt married to the vice-president that wanted to censor music but settled on parental advisory stickers (a lot of good THAT has done).

  56. Re:same story this morning!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Calm down! You aren't gonna get laid calling everyone a fucking moron. You have to be gentle... once you get her naked and submissive, then you can get rough.

  57. Re:Hell yes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Amendment IV

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    I think that's all that needs said.

  58. Pro-RIAA perspective by Mdog · · Score: 2, Interesting

    (I am playing the devil's advocate. I hate the RIAA)

    People have really misconstrewed the RIAA's intentions in this regard. The reason the RIAA was concerned was that this law may now keep them from shuting down illegal ftp and web sites. Everybody agrees that ftp sites that give copyrighted info away for free are illegal, and the RIAA takes steps to shut these sites down, including persuading isp's to cut them off, saturating their bandwidth themselves, and exploiting weaknesses in the software they run to shut the down. This is NOT, nor was it ever, about randomly probing computers to see if you had mp3 files and deleting them, this is about shutting down illicit servers.

    1. Re:Pro-RIAA perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i'll tell you the way I look at the situation with ftp's, including my own.

      All my mp3's are legal, ripped from the discs that I own and have access to, a few feet from where I sit right now.

      I put those mp3's in my /home/ftp/pub/ directory. The ftp daemon is also running. I didn't ask anybody to check what was available on ftp. Nor did i give them permission, but if they continue to download those mp3's, they do so at their own risk, for they are the ones breaking copywrite law. I'm not distributing anything, they are stealing FROM ME.

      god have mercy on their souls.

    2. Re:Pro-RIAA perspective by ethereal · · Score: 1

      Shutting down illicit ftp sites through legal means is, well, legal. Shutting them down via vigilante justice is a crime, hopefully a federal felony computer crime. Illegal actions by some "pirates" does not justify illegal action by the harmed party.

      On the plus side, if the RIAA manages to return us to the Law of the Old West on the 'net, then it's open season on spam havens :)

      --

      Your right to not believe: Americans United for Separation of Church and

    3. Re:Pro-RIAA perspective by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 2

      No, they haven't misconstrued the RIAA's intentions. For getting the ISP to cut off the offending site, the RIAA has every legal right under the law, even the new anti-terrorism ones, to do that. As for the latter two, they're known as a DoS attack and cracking, and both are completely illegal period full stop. I don't care if the RIAA does hold the copyrights, that doesn't and shouldn't give them the right to break the law themselves. If they want to ignore their legal recourses and try vigilante justice, let them suffer the same consequences as the DeCSS authors and Dmitri Skylarov.

    4. Re:Pro-RIAA perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the lawyers won't have mercy on yours.

      they won't even crack a smile.

    5. Re:Pro-RIAA perspective by Melantha_Bacchae · · Score: 1

      If a web or ftp site is breaking the law, the RIAA can just prove it to a judge and get a court order to take down the site.

      The RIAA is not, as much as it would like to think otherwise, above the law. Their greed is going to the heads of the various entertainment and media groups. The law is not there to simply to serve their greed. The law is supposed to protect the citizens.

      The entertainment industry needs to get over themselves, wipe the foam from their mouths, and get a life. There are far more important concerns right now than copyright violations.

      Come on, Tok Wira, these sharks have gotta pay!
      New Kirk calling Mothra, we need you today!

    6. Re:Pro-RIAA perspective by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 1

      If a web or ftp site is breaking the law, the RIAA can just prove it to a judge and get a court order to take down the site. ----> Playing devil's advocate here:

      Getting a court order and shutting down the site are two different things. The difficulty of accomplishing either one will change with the location of the "offending server". If it's in Pittsburgh, that's one thing. If it's in Upper Slobovia, that's a cat of a different colour entirely.

      The whole world is not bordered by the USA or governed by the US congress. And "foreign countries" don't give a rat's rear-end about what the US courts may or may not say about any given issue.

      So-called vigilante action may be the only "effective method" for dealing with some sites.

      Having said that, I find the idea of some large corporation taking it onto themselves to attempt to hack my computers offensive in the extreme. But I can see why they might figure this is a helluva good idea in some situations.

      Mind you, a kid in a candy store might figure it's a really good idea to just put a few of the candies into his pocket when the clerk is not looking, too. Should we pass a law to grant that kid immunity from prosecution as well? Heck, he was doing it to further what he saw as a good cause - his own benefit! What better cause could there possibly be...

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    7. Re:Pro-RIAA perspective by LarsG · · Score: 2

      The reason the RIAA was concerned was that this law may now keep them from shuting down illegal ftp and web sites.

      Strawman.

      They already have the power to do this through the notice-and-takedown provisions in the DMCA.

      --
      If J.K.R wrote Windows: Puteulanus fenestra mortalis!
  59. Re:Hell yes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But it does not give you the "right" to go to that criminals house and retrieve your stuff

    That's right. But if I see the criminal on the street breaking the law hawking my stuff, then I have the right to make a citizen's arrest. It's the same deal here. If the music industry sees their stuff being pirated -- in public -- then they should have the right to stop them as a citizen.

  60. The end of Windows.... by Picass0 · · Score: 2

    So if the RIAA gets this one passed, that tells me Clifford Neuman has the right to break into any Windows box using Kerberos and delete the system. Gee, maybe this isn't so bad after all.

    1. Re:The end of Windows.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, Windows is WAY more secure than UNIX systems by default. Unless someone opens up a file share or downloads a rogue program, you ain't getting in.

    2. Re:The end of Windows.... by Picass0 · · Score: 2

      Hey AC -
      Nimda. Code Red. Sircam. (Insert your script kiddie VB script of the week here)

      You have an interesting concept of security. Get yourself IP tables packet filtering or a stateful firewall and then come back.

    3. Re:The end of Windows.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Checked out your local exploits archive lately? There's at least 2x as many exploits for any one NIX variant, maybe with the exception of NetBSD, than all of Windows.

  61. Rest of the world by hublan · · Score: 1

    And will my computers in Canada/UK/non-USA country be safe from RIAA's prying hands?

    Given how their ilk managed to apply US laws in a different country (Norway) this scares the fuck out of me.

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    My spoon is too big.
    1. Re:Rest of the world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given the break-in is in a different country, they are also under the other country's law.

      It would be really cool if they hacked into a server in a country that treats such act as terrorist activities and would freeze all of RIAA's bank accounts.

    2. Re:Rest of the world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bummer,

      Hacking attempts like these are strictly illegal in Australia, Britain, I was hoping to log these attempts, then have people thrown in jail, should they travel within extradition range. Oh, and if they stay silent, and don't say so-and so did it, then they can forget about enforcement in that country they choose to ignore. I urge those to get injunctions .. contempt of court is a nasty thing. There is to be no sure way of knowing which IP number is not in America,

  62. Re:Hell yes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You do not have the right to say, "Hmmm, I think that guy might possibly have stolen something from me a year ago" and break into his house to see.

    No ones talking about "breaking in to see", we're talking about being able to make a citizen's arrest of criminals in the act of committing a crime. If you saw people hawking your stuff on the street, you are permitted to stop that crime and subdue the criminals until the proper authorities have been notified.

  63. Re:Hell yes! by Jubedgy · · Score: 1

    But in this case they'd have to see the actual 'stolen bits' being transferred to your ip...they can't simply root your comp, search your harddrive then wipe it as that is NOT self defense, it's vigilantism ie, the taking of law into one's own hands.

    In the physical world, it's like giving them the right to pick your locks, then smash everything in your house looking for stuff that you're not allowed to have.

    --Jubedgy

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  64. State Sponsored Hacking? by ackthpt · · Score: 1

    The way israeli hackers have regularly cracked encryption keys should tell you something, particularly if you would care to wonder how these students come to be so knowledgable and skilled in this arena. Probably has something to do with living on the frontlines.

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  65. Duplicate Article? by Dlugar · · Score: 1

    Has anyone noticed that the "Update" is the same Wired article that's currently on the front page?

    Sheesh. Slashdot.

    Dlugar

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    1. Re:Duplicate Article? by nion · · Score: 1

      Score: -1, Redundant?

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  66. Re:(-1 Redundant). by imadork · · Score: 2
    Look again: first two paragraphs are a wee bit different (by my memory: anybody have the original from this morning?).

    Well, right on the top, the article says it was last modified 2:00 a.m. Oct. 15, 2001 PDT . In big red letters. Well, maybe the letters are a little small.

    Anyway, I don't remember any difference in the article. I suppose that doesn't mean there couldn't have been, though.

  67. Re:Hell yes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But in this case they'd have to see the actual 'stolen bits' being transferred to your ip...they can't simply root your comp, search your harddrive then wipe it as that is NOT self defense, it's vigilantism ie, the taking of law into one's own hands.

    But they weren't asking for the right to search everyone's hard drive. If they observe illegal material coming from your computer, then they have the right to prevent more criminal activity from taking place, just like if I see criminal activity in public, I can stop further damage from occurring.

    It would be like seeing the criminal on the street hawking my stolen stuff. I have the right to stop him from selling more of my stuff by making a citizen's arrest until the proper authorities come to arrest him.

  68. Re:Hell no! by lcypher · · Score: 1

    "We're not talking about a bunch of farmers with pitchforks and torches, we're talking about a legitimate, large company."

    Bwahahahahhaha. And as we have seen with Microsoft, 'legitimate' takes on a whole new meaning when that company has been 'convicted' of breaking laws itself. The Supreme Court of the US held up their conviction as well.

    Law enforcement powers are not meant to be held by private companies. That is taking free market capitalism a wee bit too far.

  69. OS and Corporate Ties by davidmx · · Score: 1

    I think this is yet another great reason not to use operating systems and software tied to corporate entities. And an additional validation of using open source software. As we've seen rather prominently over the past year, corporations are taking (and being given) broader powers to police, judge and sentence their customers. We saw this with rental car companies in the NE, using GPS to collect data and fine customers. I don't think it would take a lot of pressure on Microsoft to provide backdoors or build in other limits in the "interest" of intellectual property and copyrights. Particularly when this helps further their own technological agenda.

  70. Thoughts of the Future by pagsz · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is this true? Does the RIAA allow us to make backup copies of our media? I was under the impression that making any copy of my audio CDs was verboten, whether onto eighth-inch tape, CD media, mp3, ogg, or whatever.

    I can just see the /. article five years from now:

    RIAA PROPOSES MIND WIPES
    Posted by CmdrTaco on Oct 12, 2006.
    From the song-stuck-in-the-head-dept.


    Anonymous Coward writes: "The RIAA is pushing legislation that would allow them to randomly scan people's heads, to insure that they have not illegally memorized copyrighted material. Those who are caught will have the songs removed from memory. The RIAA, under this legislation, would not be responsible for collateral damage including permanent, total amnesia. One RIAA spokesman says: 'How are we expected to make a reasonable living if anyone can simply play back a song in their heads from memory? I can't see how it can be done. This legislation only insures that copyrighted material is not pirated, nothing else.'"

    You know, I wouln't actually be surprised if they tried it,

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    -- If any of the above made sense, I assure it was purely by accident.
    1. Re:Thoughts of the Future by WinPimp2K · · Score: 1
      Naah, mindwipes will be handled by the MPAA. They already put it out as a trial balloon and everyone thought it was a cute joke.


      Or have you forgotten the TV ad during the theatrical run of Men In Black? Where Will Smith asks the audience if they have seen the movie, then puts on his Ray Bans and holds up the little mindwipe device...

      --

      You either believe in rational thought or you don't
    2. Re:Thoughts of the Future by ahde · · Score: 1

      Why not use CPRM? Pre-emptive lobotomies at birth. The doc's already doing circumcision

    3. Re:Thoughts of the Future by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      RIAA,

      I have a, erm, friend who has Britney Spears' "Oops, I did it again" running through my brain right now. I have not, I mean, he has not paid for access to said Intellectual Property(TM). Please remove it immediately. And while you're there, wipe out "A Horse With No Name" and anything by Neil Diamond. And that one Carpenters song I can only remember the chorus to.

      Thank you,

      Anonymous Informant

      --

      You want the truthiness? You can't handle the truthiness!

    4. Re:Thoughts of the Future by Kharny · · Score: 1

      No, first they will sue you for listening in on your neighbours stereo, which was set to loud, and offcourse they will sue him for distributing the music.
      American lawmaking gives me the creeps, glad i live in a real democracy.

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  71. Re:Hell yes! by xiaix · · Score: 1

    Are you still under the impression that the US constitution is still in force? Unfortunately, that is questionable at best in and of itself.

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  72. Because MP3's are illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I seem to remember a while ago hearing that encoding copyrighted music as MP3's is illegal, because no one pays the RIAA for the right to do this. It was part of the DMCA. Does anyone else remember anything like this?

    1. Re:Because MP3's are illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but I do seem to remember that you are so full of shit your eyes are brown.

      Do the reading, dumbass!

  73. Re:Legalized cracking by sapphire42 · · Score: 1

    This stuff would be happening no matter WHO was in office. The public is demanding action against terrorist activity. It's damn scary what I have heard people I know say about what they government should be allowed to do in order to catch these people. They have no clue that most of it would end up being used against THEM and not likely many terrorists. THere is no way something like THIS would pass because they would have no proof that the mp3's were *illegal*.
    What if I own all of these cds? Of course, if I were sharing them out, that would be illegal.
    But the constitution is pretty clear about our
    rights in this instance. But at times like these,
    the American people will actually tolerate violations, little by little, and then they'll notice when the Army is marching up and down the streets, breaking down our doors whenever they feel like it to search the place. By then, it's too late.

  74. It was in the past by albat0r · · Score: 1

    Now, if you do something that may be proven to help the spread of illegal copy of Mp3, you are guilty of it too! I know that you have the right to make personnal copy of your CD in Mp3, but if someone broke into your computer, and than copy your Mp3 files (and this guy doesn't own the original CD, in case you had think so...!), than you are guilty of helping the spread of illegal Mp3! So, if you can't prove that there's 0% chance of someone can copy your Mp3, the RIAA may goes after you.

    And, after having said that, if the RIAA is able to break into your computer to see if your Mp3 are legal or not, someone else can do it too... so they erase your Mp3 anyway because you don't protect them enought!

    Heh, these guys have think about all the possibilities!

    1. Re:It was in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh, you be speek gud Engritch sez I!

    2. Re:It was in the past by Kharny · · Score: 1

      Not everybody here is a native english speaker, Please try to be a bit more open-minded, Go for intentions instead of grammer.

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  75. Excerpts from the RIAA FAQ by mattACK · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://www.riaa.org/Music-Rules-2-FAQ.cfm

    Boy, this is concise. What a bunch of c0ckbiters.

    Q. Is it illegal to link to other sites that have unauthorized sound files, even if my own site doesn't offer any?
    A. Liability for copyright infringement is not necessarily limited to the persons or entities who created (or encoded) the infringing sound file. In addition to being directly liable for infringing conduct occurring via the site, a linking site may be contributorily or vicariously liable for facilitating copyright infringement occurring at the sites to which it links. Contributory liability may be found where a person, with knowledge of the infringing activity, induces, causes, or materially contributes to the infringing conduct of another. A link site operator may be liable for contributory infringement by knowingly linking to infringing files. Vicarious liability may be imposed where an entity has the right and ability to control the activities of the direct infringer and also receives a financial benefit from the infringing activities. Liability may be imposed even if the entity is unaware of the infringing activities. In the case of a linking site, providing direct access to infringing works may show a right and ability to control the activities of the direct infringer and receiving revenue from banner ads may be evidence of a financial benefit.

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    1. Re:Excerpts from the RIAA FAQ by pgpckt · · Score: 3, Funny

      I have no idea what that reply says. Note the question is worded in english. I can only guess at the language used in the reply or its meaning. I think it says "Yes." Why couldn't they just put "Yes" and make my life easier?

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    2. Re:Excerpts from the RIAA FAQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i'm confused too, but i'm pretty sure it says yes; but i don't see who the RIAA is to interpret the law. I remember from High School Gov't class, that job was up to the judicial branch.

    3. Re:Excerpts from the RIAA FAQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      in fact, the answer is 'no', but at least they confused someone enough to start thinking 'yes'.

    4. Re:Excerpts from the RIAA FAQ by Sodium+Attack · · Score: 2
      Any first-year law student can tell you that the short answer to any hypothetical legal question, always, is "it depends."

      They'd like to say "yes," but their lawyers won't let them say that. So they manage to say "it depends" in such a way that it sounds as much like "yes" as possible.

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  76. EMP by PortHaven · · Score: 1

    All I know is this, I have about a 2,000 MP3's...all legal. All recorded from my CD collection or downloaded from legit sources.

    If the RIAA ever goes into my computer and deletes property of mine and the courts allow I go off and not give to flying squirrels about the law.

    And I'll get back...

    I'll just spend a few years learning how to build an EMP (Electro-Magnetic Pulse) bomb. Won't hurt a sole...but will erase all their data from their machines.

    Yeah I'll got to jail but hey...at least I'll have a bed, 3 meals and be able to finish my Bachelor degree.

    But this is getting insane...as far as I am concerned anyone who goes onto my computer to do anything without permission, whether to change a setting, delete files, etc.

    Is a criminal and has tresspassed and stolen my property. And well, if the law won't protect me...than the government damn well better realize I'll protect myself.

    Right to bear arms....(in this day an age that law might need to be applied digitally)...

  77. Re:Hell yes! by clone304 · · Score: 2, Funny


    Yes, but it is very unclear, in the case of copyright, what actually constitutes an act of intentional piracy. An MP3 of my favorite BackStreet Boys song being transfered from my IP to another IP does not necessarily prove a violation of copyright law. I could be backing up my MP3 to my work computer for listening there or to a remote server for storage in case of fire, etc. at my residence. These actions are legal and should be protected as fair use of my property. However, the RIAA, needing no hard proof of piracy, apparently already has the "right" (corporations are not people and do not/should not have "rights") to take invade my virtual home and destroy my property. And under this bullshit provision that they wanted, would not be at all liable if they "accidentally" deleted all of my important business files, possibly causing untold amounts of financial damage to me and my family.

    Fuck them. They cry about how the law doesn't adequately protect THEIR "rights", while they happily trounce on the real rights of real people. Again, fuck them.

  78. "This has gotta be fictitious." by e40 · · Score: 1

    What, the original story or the retraction?

    Personally, I think the retraction is the fictitious one. I mean, who'd believe the RIAA would come to their senses?

  79. The next step by Topgun1 · · Score: 1

    Next thing you know corporations are going to be asking for the right to have standing armies!

    On a much more morbid note, this would revolutionalize marketing campagins.

    1. Re:The next step by gimple · · Score: 2, Funny

      As a veteran of the Armed Forces, who now is Director of Marketing, I am all for this.

      "Cry 'Havoc' and let loose the dogs of marketing!"

  80. awww RATS!!!!! by Travoltus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wanted this law to go forward and then pass.
    So that the people would see this and rip the RIAA to shreds. And the politicians who voted for that law.

    Now they'll just implement this crap, piece by piece, slowly, making sure each facet of their monstrosity is accepted by the public first.

    It's like boiling a frog, really.

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    --- Grow a pair, liberals... stop letting the Republicans bully you!
    1. Re:awww RATS!!!!! by slam+smith · · Score: 1

      Don't kid yourself. Most americans would never hear about, and really could care less.

  81. Lobbying is good by rebelcool · · Score: 2
    (and for the record, stupid slashdot decided to timeout on me so I lost this the first time I wrote it..argh..)

    Lobbying is good when there are opposing viewpoints. Congressmen hardly have time to learn about every subject that comes up to them, so they rely on people far more knowledgable to make a pitch at them, to help them decide on how to vote. Money has little to do with it (believe it or not..). Campaign financing is a very heavily regulated thing, and its not so simple as a lobbyist or group giving money to the congressman. Most people blame it on that, since they just dont know any better.

    What needs to be done is to have pro-fair use lobbying groups in congress. The only side of the issue that the congressmen hear is what the media industry shills at them.

    I blame this on the incredibly apathy that the computer industry has had in the past toward government. The pervading belief that the government doesnt affect them and is of little use at all (not surprising from all the libertarian viewpoints you hear from computer professionals)

    The reality though is that the government DOES affect your life, and always will. And they will screw you eight ways from sunday if you don't work with them. It's not from malicious intent, but rather they simply dont know better.

    So what needs to be done is to have more pro-fair use, pro-cyberliberties groups in Congress. Right now the only one i can think of is the EFF. There should be more. So get out there, support the EFF, mobilize, and work with your government. It can be your friend, if you work with them.

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    1. Re:Lobbying is good by Sarcasmooo! · · Score: 3, Interesting
      "Money has little to do with it (believe it or not..). Campaign financing is a very heavily regulated thing, and its not so simple as a lobbyist or group giving money to the congressman. Most people blame it on that, since they just dont know any better."


      That's just silly. I don't need to listen to Russ Feingold to know that money is a very big part of it; and that campaign financing is, in fact, an unregulated thing. Oh sure, if you go out and donate through the normal channels you fall under federal limits for 'hard money'. But what most entities do is make an end run around the democratic obstacles and funnel money through non-federal accounts, while screaming "Hey, you can't regulate this! I have a first amendment right to bribe elected officials!" And so, year by year, a loophole becomes niagra falls.
  82. Fly the corporate flag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.uni-muenster.de/PeaCon/global-texte/cor porateflag.htm

    Athough I would like to update this flag a little. The intent is still a good one.

    This basically sums it all up.

  83. What about Fair Use and Probable Cause? by Sierpinski · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I won't even get into the argument as to whether or not the RIAA should be allowed to infiltrate people's computers in an effort to remove all copyright-infringed mp3s. What I want to know is, how the hell would they know what I have in my 'CD Case' and what I don't have. When I rip my CDs, I take the default settings, which usually includes leaving the copyright information blank. How would the RIAA know whether or not I actually have the CD, where the fair-use policy would allow me to have a digital 'copy' of that song.

    You can walk into a Waterbeds N' Stuff store and buy a bong. Sure we all know who uses them, but they are allowed to sell them because there is a legal use for the item. You can smoke tobacco in it. I know most law-enforcement agencies will consider that to be drug paraphenilia, but would just the act of buying one allow the DEA to bust your door down and search your sugar jar for crack or marijuana?

    There needs to be a line drawn between fair-use and probable cause. Just like it's illegal to shoot someone with a gun, it doesn't mean that I'm going to do that just because I own a gun.

    Maybe we should crack into the RIAA's computer to make sure that some of the money that we spend on their $20 CDs are actually going to the artists. What proof do we have? None.

    Does anyone out there have any relatively accurate statistics about how much (if at all) the RIAA's sales have dropped since the inception of services like Napster and Gnutella. Maybe if they would stop being such greedy bastards they would increase their sales. There's no way in hell I'm going to pay $15-$20 for a cd that has maybe 1 or 2 good songs on it.

    1. Re:What about Fair Use and Probable Cause? by Sabriel · · Score: 1
      What I want to know is, how the hell would they know what I have in my 'CD Case' and what I don't have.
      Oh, that's simple. They will have everyone register their 'CD licenses' - just like Microsoft is doing with Windows XP. If you can't register, you can't listen. Activation code check each time you put the CD in a new CD drive (which is fitted with DRM and requires a net connection - if you've no net connection, it refuses to play).

      And in this near-future scenario, shiny new portable CD players will offer a wireless connection so you can listen to your licensed CDs on the move.

  84. How long until... by Doug+Neal · · Score: 0

    With the way things are going, I wonder how long it will be before they start campaigning for a law that requires by law, all computers to have "back doors" so that they can access them and monitor you to see what files you have? If the SSSCA gets through, it would bring it worryingly close. If Free operating systems are made illegal, and everyone has to run Windows or MacOS or whatever it makes it a lot easier for them. The "certification" that makes the operating system legal under the SSSCA might require a back door to be present.

  85. Great by Zen+Mastuh · · Score: 2

    Now the RIAA isn't going to be able to determine whether I am breaking the law or not. This means I have to be responsible for my own actions as well as the contents of my hard drive. The horror!

    --
    "What is the sound of one belly slapping?"
  86. A double Wag the Dog by yerricde · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Condit distracted us while they killed off campaign finance reform, Lewinsky distracted us while they made the initial changes necessary to open up the Alaskan wildlife refuge to oil drilling

    If the Kosovo was a "Wag the Dog" for the Lewinsky affair, Lewinsky was a "Wag the Dog" for the Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act and the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, both passed by a voice vote (which makes all of the representatives and senators guilty for not asking for a full vote). The media covered Lewinsky and Kosovo instead of the Bono Act and the DMCA primarily because the media stood most to gain from the public's not knowing about those laws until after they were passed, so that consumers wouldn't contact their representatives. We can't let this happen again with bad laws such as SSSCA.

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  87. The Constitution does NOT specify inter-citizn rel by jkorty · · Score: 2, Insightful

    None of this applies. The Constitition is a contract between the Federal government and its citizens ONLY. It does not restrict what one citizen (say, the RIAA) can or cannot do to another (say, you).

  88. Letter I just sent to the MPAA by Calle+Ballz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As far as I understand, when you purchase a CD (or other form of music media) you are purchasing the 'right' to listen to that CD as well as reproduce the content of that CD for personal use. A perfect example of this would be converting my CD collection into mp3 format, to then transfer onto a single CD, to then play in my Car MP3 player. In this case, I own the CD's, but I am listening to the content of those CD's in a different format.
    If that is considered fair-use, my question to you is: Why are CD's now coming out that are unconvertable to any other format? I was always under the consideration that when you bought a CD you bought the right to listen to the music in any format you choose. With the new so-called "anti-piracy" features added to CD's that are now being manufactured, I can no longer easily turn the CD tracks into mp3 format to play in my car stereo.

    Now, I can understand your point. With P2P file sharing applications running rampant, and the "free" mp3's available left and right, you need a way to combat that issue. However, I personally spent a lot of money to buy a car stereo that has the capability of playing mp3s that were burned onto a CDR. I love this feature, I can listen to hours upon hours of music without having to change a disc. It makes long road trips a lot easier.

    With this new technology, in order to utilize my own right to listen to the CD that I purchased legally from an authorized distributor, I am forced to seek illegal means to circumvent your technology. I personally do not know anything about reverse-engineering, but I do sometimes rely on members of the underground hacking community to release ways to do this for me.

    Another problem I have with the CD copy protection technology:

    In my opinion, CD's are horrible technology. Personally, I think digital will never be able to compete with the sound quality of Analog. Besides that, my major problem with CDs (also DVD's) is the fragile nature of the actual physical media. They have to be handled with extreme care, one slight mistake and the media is rendered useless. To combat this problem, every CD that I purchase, I make a copy of it. I put the original back in the case, and I listen to my copy. If the copy gets scratched, big deal, I'll make another one. Using this method, I never have to worry about having to purchase another copy of a CD that technically, I already own the rights to listen to.

    Finishing up, am I abiding by copyright laws using CDs in the manner that I do? When I purchase a CD, am I purchasing the right to listen to the media contained within the CD in any format I choose? or am I purchasing the right to listen to the CD in the CD format only?

    One last question: If I own a vinly copy of an album, but do not have a record player, and I download an mp3 from that album for my listening pleasure, am I correct in doing so?

    1. Re:Letter I just sent to the MPAA by blisspix · · Score: 1

      nope. you can only make A (singular) copy, or if you have additional rights, such as if you are a broacaster making a copy for ease of use purposes.

      why can't you copy your own stuff? because you could theoretically listen to your original cd plus an mp3 etc at the same time. when you buy something, you have bought the license for the physical recording of an item on that format. you have not bought a personal license for the song itself independent of the format.

      if you only own vinyl but you still download, you are breaking the law because the copy did not come from the original vinyl.

      when companies release the next format, everyone will be sucked into buying everything again, because they don't have the right to copy old cd's to any new format.

    2. Re:Letter I just sent to the MPAA by PurpleBob · · Score: 2

      Did you seriously send it to the MPAA?

      They don't have all that much to do with it. You might find yourself sending a follow-up letter saying "Sorry, that was meant for the other evil bastards."

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      Win dain a lotica, en vai tu ri silota
  89. DMCA and this by jon787 · · Score: 1

    Couldn't the DMCA be turned against them in some way on this?

    Let say I encrypt my MP3s. Then if they delete them would that be circumvention of my encryption scheme?
    Or is the encoding of the MP3 itself considered encryption?

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  90. The Big Lie by jms · · Score: 2

    If the current version of the USA Act becomes law, the RIAA believes, it could outlaw attempts by copyright holders to break into and disable pirate FTP or websites or peer-to-peer networks. Because the bill covers aggregate damage, it could bar anti-piracy efforts that cause little harm to individual users, but meet the $5,000 threshold when combined.

    "We might try and block somebody," Glazier said. "If we know someone is operating a server, a pirated music facility, we could try to take measures to try and prevent them from uploading or transmitting pirated documents."

    The RIAA believes that this kind of technological "self-help" against online pirates, if done carefully, is legal under current federal law.


    Following the link, I cannot see ANY reason why this would be legal. The sort of "self help" they are claiming the right to do appears to be outlawed by 18 USC 1030(a)(5)(c)

    (a) Whoever - (5)(C) intentionally accesses a protected computer without authorization, and as a result of such conduct, causes damage; ... shall be punished as provided in subsection (c) of this section.

    "Protected computer" is defined in 18 USC 1030(e)(2)(B)

    (e) As used in this section -
    (2) the term ''protected computer'' means a computer - (B) which is used in interstate or foreign commerce or communication;"


    "Damage" is defined in 18 USC 1030(e)(8)(A):

    (e) As used in this section - (8) the term ''damage'' means any impairment to the integrity or availability of data, a program, a system, or information, that - (A) causes loss aggregating at least $5,000 in value during any 1-year period to one or more individuals;

    There it is. The law, as it currently stands, outlaws exactly the activity that the RIAA claims is "endangered" by the terrorism bill. What they are really trying to do is get a "copyright holders" exception to the law. This is something new they trying to get, not something they currently have.

  91. Bring em' on! by ThePlumber2 · · Score: 1

    I would like to see them try! In fact, I wouldn't mind this going into effect at all, just as long as it goes both ways.... Create a few icons that are "copyrighted", hack the shit out of their network, delete ALL their files, then say that you are a copyright holder... I would LOVE to tell them that I hacked them right to their fat ugly faces :-) Pantywastes that they are..... Thanks, Steve Bring on the noise Helen Keller!

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  92. RIAA proposed amendment? by jasondlee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I know this horse has been beaten to thiry-seven deaths, but "the RIAA has decided to back down from its earlier proposed amendment". Huh? What state do they represent? I think it's sad that corporations can buy congressman. I think it's one of the most disgusting perversions of our democracy ever seen. However, what bothers me most is that statements like this are made, and people don't blink. Corporations, technically speaking, can't introduce or amend bills (only elected representatives can do that). In practice, however, that proves to be incorrect, and we accept it. Pretty sad...

    jason

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    1. Re:RIAA proposed amendment? by AtariKee · · Score: 1

      You'll also notice, that the mainstream media outlets are saying NOTHING about this. Goes to show you who owns the media, as well as congress.

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      "You're getting brutal, Sark. Brutal and needlessly sadistic."
      "Thank you, Master Control"
      -Sark and the MCP
  93. it is fictitous by ahde · · Score: 2, Insightful

    they aren't backing down, they're re-wording it. According to the RIAA spokesman in the article, they're trying to include in the amendment, statements to the fact that they already have permission to do as they please, which they don't. Essentially grandfathering in their future practice retroactively. It's a legalese time-machine.

  94. terrorists? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wouldn't that make the RIAA, under the anti-hacking laws, terrorists?

  95. Extra ! RIAA momentarily forgets rest of world ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting
    It's interesting how many of the large multinationals believe once they have managed to fool the US legal system that they are then immune to retribution from any idiocy on their behalf globally. As we saw in the article where the EU is in the process of a lawsuit against Microsoft that could result in a penalty of 10% yearly earnings should they continue to bundle everything into their OS, I can imagine that with the EU's strict privacy legislation already in force, any attempts by the RIAA to sniff a user's HDD would result in massive penalties (even if it were accidental). So that probably rules out the RIAA creating automated software to go hacking through other people's computer.

    They would have to do all of this manually, painfully, slowly, inefficiently (in case of European "collateral damage"). It would cost them more money to hire the people doing it, then they would save attempting to eradicate piracy. After all, if word did get out that they were deleting other files, then I imagine it would cause them much more trouble than it's worth.

    Maybe they are just testing the Orwellian waters to see what the temperature of public opinion is right now. After all, the GM food industry has managed to push an 80%+ disapproval for modified organisms in Australia down to 50% in the past few years. As long as they continually bring up outrageous proposals, eventually the shock factor goes down among the populace and people will settle for something disasterous in small steps, as though it is inevitable.

  96. Re:The white zone is for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't get it.

  97. Re:same story this morning!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LOfuckingL

  98. This doesn't suprise me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the media has been taking advantage of tragedy since the start of the "profession." These people see something bad happen: the reporters are sent, the calls to Hollywood start, and the home shopping network prepares merchandise. All these things they do in the name of spreding the news and compassion, but they are all related to greed. People eat this crap. The RIAA has shown its true colors.

  99. Bring Napster back up by uigrad_2000 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Since the "anti-terrorism" bill is going through, and no exemption is being made for copyright holders, no-one could bring down a Napster clone.

    Basically, P2P networks and open file shares can only be brought down once they have been identified. "Identifying" such servers is now considered terrorism, and is no longer permissible. So, the RIAA has lost.

    I don't think the original Napster guys will be up to the challenge. (They had been our greatest spokesmen, but then their tounges were ripped out).

    So, who's next?

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    1. Re:Bring Napster back up by fishbowl · · Score: 2

      >"Identifying"
      >such servers is now considered terrorism, and is
      >no longer permissible.

      It's Terrorism if YOU do it. It's Protecting Domestic Security if Big Business does it.

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  100. Re:Slashdot is 3 hours late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh Jesus, SLASHDOT?!?! It's LATE?!?!? By THREE whole HOURS?!?! WHO GIVES A FUCK?!?!?

  101. Scientology will be disappointed by Dermot+the+Forg · · Score: 2

    The lovable old CoS would have loved further power to hurt it's critics by legally hacking holders of it's copyrighted scriptures or (as they're better known) their "trade secrets".

  102. Re: Seriously, what about when brain-download? by jswitte · · Score: 1

    Seriously thought, I wonder what kind of a shit-fit the RIAA would have if someone invented a way to download audio directly out of the audio cortex. One reason I don't think 35 minutes of music is worth $18 is that after I've heard a song 10 times, I can recall it perfectly, assuming no other music is being played in the area..

    I ran into a usenet references and webpages about a device called a "Neurophone" a while ago that purports to be able to send audio signals directly to the audio cortex by applying electrical voltage to the skin. I have no idea whether this is a hoax (it may well be, this site also sold Crystal Energy Devices(TM) and other things allegedly derived from alien technology..) And at $500 a box, I'm not ready to experiment until I see (or hear) proof.

    But a natural extension of this technology is to extract audio from the brain (which would make realy cool facilitated telepathy scheme). Assuming all sorts of other audio mind-garbage could be kept out of the recording, this would essentially make poential "piracy" (yes, yes, RIAA usage of the word) and fair use (remembering music) the same thing.

  103. Re:(-1 Redundant). by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As has been said many times, Wired updated the story without changing the URL.

    AC, do you even read comments anymore?

  104. So Now We Like the Anti-Terrorist Legislation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    As unpopular as the anti-terrorist legislation
    is on Slashdot, it seems that we all want
    its protection for our own computer systems.

    It seems now it's the RIAA who doesn't want
    *their* hacking to be thought of as terrorism.

  105. BUT by morven2 · · Score: 1

    It DOES restrict the laws the government can pass, however, including laws that DO restrict what one citizen can do to another.

    However, I agree that the constitution is NOT what prevents this kind of thing -- the general legal principle that vigilante justice is not acceptable is.

  106. Re:The Constitution does NOT specify inter-citizn by davecb · · Score: 1
    The U.S. constitution isn't a contract, it's what it says it is, a constitution. It defines what laws can be created.

    It specifically controls the criminal law, which in turn controls what one citizen can do to another, by defining certain actions as criminal. Amoung these are breaking and entering and the malicious destruction of property.

    --dave
    [Some folks who've never read history (or Ayn Rand!) keep making this "all law is contract law" claim. In fact, contract law came into existance long after criminal... try looking up "hanseatic league" or "emergent law". Sheesh!]
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    davecb@spamcop.net
  107. Sure, so long as by einhverfr · · Score: 2

    I am not liable for what I do to THEIR computers through their cracked connections into mine ;)

    Formatted hard drives come to mind...

    Really, it would be easy to do-- exploiting their Windows systems from my Linux system... IE/Access vulnerabilities come to mind. And if the only way you will find that database is if you broke into my (somewhat unsecure but chrooted webserver) I think that the problems would be serious for them. If you want to see what is in mp3.mdb, the price might include formatted hard drives...

    THen you set up anaonymous FTP servers with downloadable MP3's of white noise in order to trap them...

    A case arguing that I am a terrorist because they broke into my systems is not likely to go very far...

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  108. Re:The white zone is for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    its from a lame ass movie

  109. Wrong. by rebelcool · · Score: 2
    Money is the typical blamee of the person who complains about government without really knowing what they're talking about.


    I suggest you take a basic college level government course. The mysteries of campaign financing will then be revealed to you.

    Tell me, do you know what "soft money" really is, and why its damn near impossible to regulate?

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    1. Re:Wrong. by Sarcasmooo! · · Score: 2

      Yes, I do. It's defined and described through Buckley v Valeo in the links of my response.

    2. Re:Wrong. by Sarcasmooo! · · Score: 2

      By the way, who would know more about this subject than a US Senator? (quotes were also linked). Would it convince you to know that there are CEO's who've spoken out about it? Saying they're tired of being extorted; political bribery is all but a necessity to keep up with competitors who 'donate' and get special treatment. And why do you think the private sector would continually shove money at politicians if they weren't buying something? If they weren't, spending those millions of dollars every year for nothing, might be a good hint that they're in the wrong line of work. You could always follow the trail yourself, but at the very least I would ask that you actually back your statement up. If there's anything on this earth I know about, it's this, and what you've said amounts to "You're wrong but I'm not going to tell you why. You're ignorant, go back to school."

  110. What is the definition of PIRACY? by B.D.Mills · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One thing that the article didn't mention was the definition of piracy. Traditionally, "piracy" with respect to a copyrighted work has meant the duplication and selling of a copyrighted work. Think of street vendors in Hong Kong selling copies of pirated software such as Microsoft Office for $5. However, there is a disturbing trend amongst the RIAA, MPAA and other industry cartels to make the definition of piracy as broad as possible, including many activities currently protected by law as fair use. Did you rip that MP3 off that CD you purchased? Ha, say the RIAA, you're a PIRATE!

    This overuse of the term "piracy" must be stopped because many members of the public already believe that any copying of a coprighted work is "piracy" and "illegal". This is not the case.

    To undermine the RIAA's and MPAA's attempt to take away our legal rights, I urge all Slashdotters to use the term "piracy" only in the strict narrow sense of selling illegal copies for profit. The ripping of a CD you own into MP3's for your own personal use is not piracy. Downloading MP3 copies from a web site is not piracy if you already own legal copies of the tracks on CD, cassette tape or vinyl LP. Downloading MP3's if you don't legally own the tracks already is not "piracy": use the more neutral term "copyright infringement" for this activity if no money changed hands.

    I will digress for a moment to explain how language is used by coporations and other powerful people. "Piracy" is an emotive word, which is deliberately used to provoke emotion. It invokes images of jolly rogers and sword-wielding bandits on the high seas. If they didn't want to provoke emotion, they would use a neutral term such as "copyright infringement". In short, if it's something allegedly bad that you're doing to them, it's "ouch, ouch, use emotive language", but if it's something bad they're doing to you, it's "softly, softly, use neutral language."

    I would be interested to see how "piracy" is defined in the proposed legislation. The chances are good, however, that "piracy" is defined as broadly as possible, including many acts traditionally protected as "fair use" such as copying for your own personal use.

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    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. - Edmund Burke
  111. Burning CDRs is now cheaper by westfirst · · Score: 2


    CDR blanks cost about $.20. CDs cost $.50-$.90 in smallish quantities. (5000) The only problem is sitting there feeding in the damn blanks. Luckily, they're making robots for doing that now.

  112. I still say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Put a system on the net that looks like it is constantly distributing mp3 files. Record all attemtps at hackage, as well as IP addresses they are comming from....

    Publish these IP addresses so people can add them to their firewalls.

    These guys will prbably hire some pretty good crackers too, so any exploits they find would be help us further secure linux and other free OSs. Just keep a backup and put it back up when they kill it ...

    Then do a world wide DDoS on that IP - we could even write some PtP software that triggers said DOS attack and just add it as a little peice to gnapster or gnuttela :P

    Of course, if it just sits there and gets destroyed and keeps comming back it would probably gather more intel then if their computer suddenly got blown to shit the second they tried to crack it.

    Just an idea....

  113. Double-edged sword by Sloppy · · Score: 2

    Maybe the reason they backed down is that they realized that it wouldn't be one rule for them and another for everyone else. If you were RIAA, would you want to buy a law that gives permission to a million angry hackers to attack your systems w/out consequences?

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  114. Re:Hell yes! by AbsoluteRelativity · · Score: 1

    > The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects

    In this day in age, I wonder where 'rentals' or 'licensing' lies in this.

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  115. ummm...so use sum common sense here people.... by digitalmind · · Score: 1

    Well...all we need to do is wait until the one day that an RIAA script kiddi3 happens to delete charlton hesstons pr0n collection when making an attempt to delete pirate MP3's. Problem solved.

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    1. Re:ummm...so use sum common sense here people.... by knorthern+knight · · Score: 1

      Common sense... buy a cheap 2nd hand clunker for connecting to the net. When you've downloaded email or whatever, unplug from the net, and plug into your *MAIN* home PC. The main PC downloads from your clunker. Then wipe the download area of the clunker; disconnect it from your main computer and connect it back to the net. If you don't, well you risk what happened here including especially juicy stuff here (warning; some nudity).

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  116. Re:The white zone is for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Airplane! was not a lame movie.

    - The AC Avenger

  117. Damn the RIAA to hell! by thejake316 · · Score: 1

    Don't you just want to replace their fabric softener with used toilet paper and smash a plaster bust of Einstein over their heads?

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  118. Search and seizure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    aren't we protected from this by the search and seizure clause in the constitution?

  119. Problem Solved by geekguy · · Score: 1

    Here is my plan should any law ever come about that uses the logic of we can search your computer for there things and get rid of them.

    1) Group MP3 files into genre or artist categories, with each category containing aproximately 600 MB of songs

    2) Take the groups and burn each one to a cd, label and store.

    3) In the mood for some alternative music, pop in the cd and listen away.

    Someone wanna see what I got, go ahead, if you can find a way to read CD's in a case, in a rack, on my desk, be my guest.

    I know this isn't as convienient as having a few gig's of MP3's on your hard drive to get to them easily, but if the big companies can buy laws that don't support the consumers, I say we can do everything we can to make it hard for them to enforce them.

    That or start a massive letter writing campaign to let our representatives know how we feel about letting corporations buy there votes. Having lots of money to run for re-election dosn't mean anything if the voting public knows that you will allow corporations to own you.

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  120. glad or not glad? by fishbowl · · Score: 2

    Everyone is saying they're glad the RIAA didn't go through with this, but I'm wondering if I'm a bit disappointed.

    I am in the "it needs to get a whole lot worse before it can get better" camp.

    We need something to happen that exposes to the common man just how unmanageable our government has become. Currently, it appears only a few people are outraged and the rest are blissfully happy with the status quo. We need truly intolerable laws passed, instead of the merely annoying ones we have today. Only then will there be an impulse for change. Change at the business end of farm implements, for example. You think Middle Eastern terrorism is ugly? You haven't seen what pissed off Americans can do if given a
    strong enough cause.

    But we are nowhere near the point of outrage.
    So far we are only approaching "inconvenience for
    the literate". Perhaps if there were a few hundred thousand done like Skylarov. Perhaps not.
    A million political prisoners in the drug war and the attendant outrage hasn't brought down the ability of the government to operate. It would take something bigger than that. We have a long way to go before the average American is upset enough to withhold his support of the government.
    A very, very long way. Copyright law isn't ever going to rise to this level, not even if we reach the "right to read" problems.

    Take away TV, raise the price of crude oil to, oh, $600.00 a barrel, and prohibit alcohol and tobacco, and you might have a revolution on your hands. Anything less, and we'll probably roll over and take it.

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  121. Opportunists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The RIAA is sickening, but no worse than Congress, and Atty General Asscruft, and AMTRAK, and all the other money- and power-grabbers.

  122. Re:Hell yes! by minghe · · Score: 1

    And if someone breaks into my house (or my computer) and pose a threat to my person or property (or files) I have the right to defend myself against that. So Ill treat a visit from the RIAA as any other illegal hack attack.

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  123. Could backfire on them if it became law by Ice+Tiger · · Score: 1

    For example lets say they crack into your system? By law any original material on your system has a copyright owner which is you, now an intrusion into your system is reasonable justification to believe that the RIAA holds your copyrighted material illegally hence they are now fair game.

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  124. Above was "what if" post by Ice+Tiger · · Score: 1

    I know it got canned, was only a what if discussion.

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  125. Terrorism by shrewtamer · · Score: 1

    It sounds like the recording industry is pretty fragrantly using the war on terrorirsm to further its point. As this is an obvious distraction from what should be everyone's priortiy at the moment they are more than not helping. They are distorting what should be a balanced and reasoned process of legislation. The content of this legislation is critical to the maintenance of civil liberties and the physical and economic defence of the United States and the rest of the free world.

    I thought the president of the United States had made it quite clear that anyone who wasn't helping was the enemy. The recording industry has declared itself the enemy of the free world.

    I also thought the United States government had asked United States citizens with hacking expertise to judiciously target specific terror targets. (Recent Slashdot article) Some more targets now seems clearly defined. Namely the RIAA, companies remaining associated with the RIAA or who support the RIAA economically, responsible senators and lobbyists.

    This all seems quite obvious, so if i got any of that wrong, Bush should confirm that the CIA has given special permission for these organisations / people to help the terrorists destaiblise our legislature. Eitherwise you've been given carte blanche.

    Does the definition of hacking include copying stuff? Are we allowed to copy all the music we like in the US now?

    (My source on the ammendment: http://theregister.co.uk/content/6/22252.html)

    The RIAA and those lobbyists and senators should be crunched up and shat out for this disgusting behaviour. Laughs hysterically.

  126. Re:Extra ! RIAA momentarily forgets rest of world by mrogers · · Score: 2
    They would have to do all of this manually, painfully, slowly, inefficiently (in case of European "collateral damage").

    Not really. They could release a virus carrying a list of acceptable IP ranges (addresses of computers physically located in the United States). The virus would only infect computers with acceptable addresses. (A paranoid person might think that Code Red II's preference for addresses on the local subnet was intended to test the viability of this approach.)

    The list of acceptable IP ranges wouldn't have to be long. Disabling every Windows box at a handful of ISPs and universities would wipe out most peer-to-peer networks at a stroke. Of course the RIAA would deny writing the virus, but if the truth ever got out the RIAA would want a legal loophole through which to escape.

  127. You too can be a copyright holder by mrogers · · Score: 2
    People who oppose extensions to the powers of copyright holders often forget that "copyright holders" doesn't just mean big corporations - "copyright holders" can refer to any schmuck who can string a semi-coherent sentence together. Yes, I'm talking about YOU!

    YOU TOO can become a copyright holder, and YOU TOO can have the right to break into ANY COMPUTER YOU LIKE to look for evidence of copyright infringement and then DO WHAT YOU LIKE TO THAT COMPUTER! Don't worry about actually FINDING PROOF of copyright infringement - once you've wiped their hard disk, how are they going to prove they DIDN'T have a copy of your data?

    Sounds too good to be true? Just follow these simple steps:

    1. Write some half-baked nonsense and post it on a well-respected weblog. Be sure to include a copyright statement. Hey presto... you're a copyright holder!
    2. Pick a target computer. Maybe there's a political viewpoint you want to censor, or a business you want to destroy? Perhaps you want to read the personal mail of the head of a recording industry cartel? Or maybe you just want to find out the medical records of a friend or co-worker. These activities would be called "hacking" if they were done by an ordinary person, but remember: you're no ordinary person, you're a copyright holder!
    3. There's a pretty good chance that someone uses your target computer to browse the web. And there's a fairly good chance that they read the same well-respected weblog where you posted your copyrighted material. Well then, there's a chance that those bastards are infringing your copyright! Better break in and find out. They've probably got a copy of your data in their browser cache RIGHT NOW! (By the way, don't worry too much about the definition of "a fairly good chance" - you don't have to waste time with any of that pesky legal stuff like probable cause. You're not a policeman, you're a copyright holder! Or maybe you ARE a policeman. Well that's OK - policemen can be copyright holders too!)
    4. Hack into the target computer and look for evidence of copyright infringement. Criminals are devious people so you should look everywhere for evidence: /etc/passwd is a good place to start. If you find any evidence, or even if you don't, wipe the hard drive to prevent any future infringement. This would be criminal vandalism, or even terrorism, if it was done by an ordinary hacker. But you're no ordinary hacker. That's right... you're a copyright holder!
    The copyright in this comment belongs to Sony Music Corporation. Copying and distribution in any form, electronic or otherwise, is strictly prohibited and will one day be retroactively punishable by death. You have been warned.
  128. No they wouldn't... by joshamania · · Score: 2

    ...because they want the law to be written so that they are not responsible for damages done to your machine while in search of copyrighted material. It doesn't matter whether or not that material exists, and they would not be required to provide proof.

    The RIAA could literally say, "the law says we are not responsible" and the judge would toss your case out on its arse.

    It's as simple as that...