to Linux. Now, I know they want a microkernel, etc, but I think that the Linux kernel can be built to meet their need much more than Mach, or whatever else they want to use in the future.
These guys also need to consider device drivers. If they want their OS to become popular, it's going to need to support a wide variety of hardware. Linux already offers that.
I really like the ideas of Hurd, but they are not being proactive enough in getting more developers on board. This reminds me of the Atheos guy, who'd rather write the OS himself. One of the best things about Linux is that a lot of people are working on it, and BSD also has a wide developer base.
Hopefully HURD will become more relevant than that OS from MIT. I'm looking forward to trying that out and make some comparisons;-)
Yeah, but was overclocking even that well known back then? Was it well tested enough (like with the Celerons), that people would like to try it with some confidence... and if it screws up... no biggie buy a new Celeron for $40.
Yep, that is the olden days, already. The BX platform is dead, and the old overclockable Celerons are basically long gone.
I also think that overclocking will be less relevant in the future. Unless I can take my 5 GHz Athlon to 6+ GHz with relative ease, I'm not going to care much.
Overclocking was cooler back in the olden days. Taking a 300 MHz Celeron to 550 MHz, or whatever was much easier and more productive.
Looking at the benchmarks, doing this is NOT worth the time and effort.
Tom has the time and money to dink around with these types of things. It might be worth it to him, but this article is likely worthless to 99.9% of his readers, simply because they aren't going to do it.
Compare this with overclocking a Celeron, I bet over 50% of the readers gave it a try. Writing those articles were actually relevant. I'm sorry to say that this one isn't.
The Register (my favorite news website) has an article titled "AMD plans to beat 4.4GHz desktops".
I can't imagine what a 4.4 GHz would be like to run. If bus and hard drive speeds keep improving, maybe a hog OS like Windows could boot in only a couple of seconds.
Yeah, but users have tasted blood, and want a good/fast/complete UI to run on Linux, etc. All of these newbies grabbing Mandrake,for example, don't give a hoot about licenses. They just want something that works.
Unfortunately, GNOME is not up to that level where a newbie will feel comfortable with using it. I can only see its "marketshare" slipping even further behind KDE as the "market" grows.
I think that about the only thing GNOME can do now is become the ideal desktop for the experienced power user. In some ways it is already, but I'm an experienced power use and like KDE better anyway. So what are they going to do to attract users? I really have no idea.
I went to Comdex 2000 in Las Vegas, and got into the Bill Gates keynote. It was in MGM Grand (a huge place). There were several rooms setup with TVs for people who didn't get tickets fast enough to see it in person.
Well anyway, I got a ticket and seen Bill Gates in person from a moderate distance. For some reason I had the sick thought of how easy it would have been for me to bring a gun in there and take aim at Bill.
I'm sure there are a lot of psychos out there who would love to shoot the richest man in the world. I'm glad it's not me.
Not to mention the fact that it's kinda hard to have people build cars collaborating over the Internet. It is too much a physical process. Software is not.
Open-source software development models are becoming rather efficient with better tools that have been in long-time development. I doubt there are auto engineering apps that allow easy Internet collaboration on development.
I could have wrote a better paper than this, no doubts.
I built myself a FlexATX system a while back. I did this for a little server/firewall.
Usually small power supplies like this are quiet, get a low RPM fan for maybe a Celeron CPU, and a quiet hard drive like an IBM, it should be good enough.
These are from the MWave site (notice the FireWire!):
VIA VT8604 North Bridge
Host interface
Integrated Savage4 2D/3D Graphics Engine
PC 133 SDRAM/VCM interface
PCI interface
ACPI Compliant
VIA VT82C686B South Bridge
UDMA 33/66/100 IDE interface
USB interface
AC97 Controller
Integrated Super I/O controller
Integrated hardware monitoring controller
Power management meet ACPI requirement
RTC
CPU: Socket 370 type CPU
Intel Celeron with 66MHz FSB (100MHz FSB for future CPU)
Intel Pentium III with 100 / 133MHz FSB
FSB
66 / 100 / 133MHz
Form Factor
Flex ATX: 7" X 7.5"
Memory
DIMM x 2, Up to 512MB of 168-pin PC100/PC133 SDRAM
Graphics
Built in Savage 4 graphics engine
Audio
VIA audio with AC'97 CODEC
On board 1394 chipset
Lucent FW323
1394a OHCI link and PHY in single package
Complies with 1394 OHCI specification revision 1.0
Provides three fully compliant cable ports
Support 400Mb/s, 200Mb/s, 100Mb/s data transfer rate
Ethernet
On board Realtek 8139C
IEEE 802.3u 100Base-T specifications compliant
10 Mb/s and 100 Mb/s operation
Supports Wake-On-LAN function
Expansion Bus
1 x PCI
PCI 2.2 specification compliant
I/O
Built in VIA 686B
Support 1 UART for Complete Serial Ports
Support 1 Multi-mode parallel port
Support 1 Floppy Disk Controller
Support PS2 keyboard and mouse
H/W Monitor
Built in VIA686B
Voltage, Temperature, Fan Speed Monitor
IDE
Ultra DMA 33/66/100 mode
PIO mode 4
2 IDE ports
Power Management
APM 1.2
ACPI 1.0
BIOS
Award PnP BIOS
DMI 2.3
2Mb flash memory
Back Panel Ports and Connectors
1 x PS/2 Keyboard
1 x PS/2 Mouse
1 x VGA port
1 x Serial Port
1 x Parallel port, supports SPP, ECP, and EPP mode
2 x 1394 ports
1 x S connector
1 x Composite connector
2 x USB ports
1 x RJ45 port
1 x line-in connector
1 x line-out connector
Other connectors and jumpers
2 x fan connectors
2 x Front Panel USB Connector Header
Front side line-out and mic-In Header
CD Audio in connector
Clear CMOS
1 x ATX power connector
Others Feature
CPU Voltage Auto Detecting (CPU PnP)
Support Suspend to Ram
Power on by Ring
Wake-On-LAN
Not only did I waste time reading this article, those guys obviously wasted their time also. They said that they spent dozens of hours trying to track down something that was freezing the system. Turned out to be the SB Live! card driver, and they had to build a new version, etc.
Plus they couldn't get all of the features of all that expensive hardware to work either! WTF is the point? If I spent all that money on hardware, I'd break down and run Windows 2000 on it just to get my money out of it. Jeesh!
These guys are not exactly up on technology, and that lack of knowledge is noticed by staff so they don't care either. They'd rather look at mail on a piece of stationary than some computer screen.
These guys like formal, and e-mail is not a formal messaging system. It's likely to never be formal, so that's just the way things are.
Obviously he has not tried it yet. It's very real. He's just in denial, and it's sad to see.
I'm sure some people called FreeBSD vapor when it first started out too. There were probably people out there who did not like the idea of another BSD, and thought that it would not succeed.
Oh, I also like how Theo sounds like a jerk, as usual, LOL.
Now, even though in the article Mike says that the reason for this "toy" is to help fix the bugs that are "raging out of control", at least he makes the article respectible, and professional.
Mike is a very experienced writer who will undoubtedly move on to higher journalism, like maybe ZDNet. Heck, ZDNet might even turn MozillaQuest into a full-blown print magazine.
Just remember folks, in a couple years, Mike Angelo will have gone places you have never dreamed. Even though people call the stuff he writes now "crap", I believe in him.
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to Linux. Now, I know they want a microkernel, etc, but I think that the Linux kernel can be built to meet their need much more than Mach, or whatever else they want to use in the future.
;-)
These guys also need to consider device drivers. If they want their OS to become popular, it's going to need to support a wide variety of hardware. Linux already offers that.
I really like the ideas of Hurd, but they are not being proactive enough in getting more developers on board. This reminds me of the Atheos guy, who'd rather write the OS himself. One of the best things about Linux is that a lot of people are working on it, and BSD also has a wide developer base.
Hopefully HURD will become more relevant than that OS from MIT. I'm looking forward to trying that out and make some comparisons
I hope it finds its way into the PowerBook sometime soon.
Yeah, but was overclocking even that well known back then? Was it well tested enough (like with the Celerons), that people would like to try it with some confidence... and if it screws up... no biggie buy a new Celeron for $40.
Yep, that is the olden days, already. The BX platform is dead, and the old overclockable Celerons are basically long gone.
I also think that overclocking will be less relevant in the future. Unless I can take my 5 GHz Athlon to 6+ GHz with relative ease, I'm not going to care much.
Overclocking was cooler back in the olden days. Taking a 300 MHz Celeron to 550 MHz, or whatever was much easier and more productive.
Looking at the benchmarks, doing this is NOT worth the time and effort.
Tom has the time and money to dink around with these types of things. It might be worth it to him, but this article is likely worthless to 99.9% of his readers, simply because they aren't going to do it.
Compare this with overclocking a Celeron, I bet over 50% of the readers gave it a try. Writing those articles were actually relevant. I'm sorry to say that this one isn't.
BeOS surpasses the issues of capability and ease-of-use of Window by far. It's a damn shame it's dead, mostly because of Microsoft and Apple.
;-)
I use FreeBSD. Linux Sux
Their mix of rumor and news is much more interesting than anything else, lol. Plus their real news is better written.
The Register (my favorite news website) has an article titled "AMD plans to beat 4.4GHz desktops".
;-)
I can't imagine what a 4.4 GHz would be like to run. If bus and hard drive speeds keep improving, maybe a hog OS like Windows could boot in only a couple of seconds.
Ooooh, 2003, please get here fast
Yeah, but users have tasted blood, and want a good/fast/complete UI to run on Linux, etc. All of these newbies grabbing Mandrake,for example, don't give a hoot about licenses. They just want something that works.
Unfortunately, GNOME is not up to that level where a newbie will feel comfortable with using it. I can only see its "marketshare" slipping even further behind KDE as the "market" grows.
I think that about the only thing GNOME can do now is become the ideal desktop for the experienced power user. In some ways it is already, but I'm an experienced power use and like KDE better anyway. So what are they going to do to attract users? I really have no idea.
the recent Microsoft stockholder meeting. Maybe he could have made board of directors there.
I bet he secretly has thousands of shares of MS stock, so he could have been a good candidate.
I went to Comdex 2000 in Las Vegas, and got into the Bill Gates keynote. It was in MGM Grand (a huge place). There were several rooms setup with TVs for people who didn't get tickets fast enough to see it in person.
Well anyway, I got a ticket and seen Bill Gates in person from a moderate distance. For some reason I had the sick thought of how easy it would have been for me to bring a gun in there and take aim at Bill.
I'm sure there are a lot of psychos out there who would love to shoot the richest man in the world. I'm glad it's not me.
http://anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1554
He is awesome. Best site for reviews, IMHO.
Not to mention the fact that it's kinda hard to have people build cars collaborating over the Internet. It is too much a physical process. Software is not.
Open-source software development models are becoming rather efficient with better tools that have been in long-time development. I doubt there are auto engineering apps that allow easy Internet collaboration on development.
I could have wrote a better paper than this, no doubts.
To quote:
"In fact, the Linux OS is licensed under the GNU GPL and uses most of the GNU programs. That is why it is often referred as GNU/Linux."
Ummm, I don't know anyone who calls it that, and I hear RMS is on of the few who actually does.
Things like this can really distract a reader, ya know?
Yep, and I'd probably choose to use a Mozilla-based editor over Emacs anyday. Ah, Komodo...
why people think Emacs is so great? I've found a lot of other editors out there that are much faster and user-friendly.
It must be a cult thing...
I'm running WinXP Pro, but only because I got a warez version. No doubt people are not going to run out and buy it.
However, in one year, there will be a large installed base of new computers running XP. That is important.
I built myself a FlexATX system a while back. I did this for a little server/firewall.
Usually small power supplies like this are quiet, get a low RPM fan for maybe a Celeron CPU, and a quiet hard drive like an IBM, it should be good enough.
These are from the MWave site (notice the FireWire!):
/PC133 SDRAM
VIA VT8604 North Bridge
Host interface
Integrated Savage4 2D/3D Graphics Engine
PC 133 SDRAM/VCM interface
PCI interface
ACPI Compliant
VIA VT82C686B South Bridge
UDMA 33/66/100 IDE interface
USB interface
AC97 Controller
Integrated Super I/O controller
Integrated hardware monitoring controller
Power management meet ACPI requirement
RTC
CPU: Socket 370 type CPU
Intel Celeron with 66MHz FSB (100MHz FSB for future CPU)
Intel Pentium III with 100 / 133MHz FSB
FSB
66 / 100 / 133MHz
Form Factor
Flex ATX: 7" X 7.5"
Memory
DIMM x 2, Up to 512MB of 168-pin PC100
Graphics
Built in Savage 4 graphics engine
Audio
VIA audio with AC'97 CODEC
On board 1394 chipset
Lucent FW323
1394a OHCI link and PHY in single package
Complies with 1394 OHCI specification revision 1.0
Provides three fully compliant cable ports
Support 400Mb/s, 200Mb/s, 100Mb/s data transfer rate
Ethernet
On board Realtek 8139C
IEEE 802.3u 100Base-T specifications compliant
10 Mb/s and 100 Mb/s operation
Supports Wake-On-LAN function
Modem (optional)
Proprietary Modem riser Module
V.90 compliant
Expansion Bus
1 x PCI
PCI 2.2 specification compliant
I/O
Built in VIA 686B
Support 1 UART for Complete Serial Ports
Support 1 Multi-mode parallel port
Support 1 Floppy Disk Controller
Support PS2 keyboard and mouse
H/W Monitor
Built in VIA686B
Voltage, Temperature, Fan Speed Monitor
IDE
Ultra DMA 33/66/100 mode
PIO mode 4
2 IDE ports
Power Management
APM 1.2
ACPI 1.0
BIOS
Award PnP BIOS
DMI 2.3
2Mb flash memory
Back Panel Ports and Connectors
1 x PS/2 Keyboard
1 x PS/2 Mouse
1 x VGA port
1 x Serial Port
1 x Parallel port, supports SPP, ECP, and EPP mode
2 x 1394 ports
1 x S connector
1 x Composite connector
2 x USB ports
1 x RJ45 port
1 x line-in connector
1 x line-out connector
Other connectors and jumpers
2 x fan connectors
2 x Front Panel USB Connector Header
Front side line-out and mic-In Header
CD Audio in connector
Clear CMOS
1 x ATX power connector
Others Feature
CPU Voltage Auto Detecting (CPU PnP)
Support Suspend to Ram
Power on by Ring
Wake-On-LAN
Can it import messages and addresses from Mozilla mail?
Not only did I waste time reading this article, those guys obviously wasted their time also. They said that they spent dozens of hours trying to track down something that was freezing the system. Turned out to be the SB Live! card driver, and they had to build a new version, etc.
Plus they couldn't get all of the features of all that expensive hardware to work either! WTF is the point? If I spent all that money on hardware, I'd break down and run Windows 2000 on it just to get my money out of it. Jeesh!
These guys are not exactly up on technology, and that lack of knowledge is noticed by staff so they don't care either. They'd rather look at mail on a piece of stationary than some computer screen.
These guys like formal, and e-mail is not a formal messaging system. It's likely to never be formal, so that's just the way things are.
Obviously he has not tried it yet. It's very real. He's just in denial, and it's sad to see.
I'm sure some people called FreeBSD vapor when it first started out too. There were probably people out there who did not like the idea of another BSD, and thought that it would not succeed.
Oh, I also like how Theo sounds like a jerk, as usual, LOL.
I really have to wonder what the motives are behind this. There must be some hidden pressure on the W3C for them to take this stance.
My guess is that Microsoft or Sun may be the culprit. They want to own a standard, and will apply pressure to whoever it takes to succeed.
Danny, is there something going on behind the scenes that brought this proposal forth?
Now, even though in the article Mike says that the reason for this "toy" is to help fix the bugs that are "raging out of control", at least he makes the article respectible, and professional.
Mike is a very experienced writer who will undoubtedly move on to higher journalism, like maybe ZDNet. Heck, ZDNet might even turn MozillaQuest into a full-blown print magazine.
Just remember folks, in a couple years, Mike Angelo will have gone places you have never dreamed. Even though people call the stuff he writes now "crap", I believe in him.
My university has virtually every machines dual-boot Debian + NT. Does that count? Lotsa computers but NT gets used 99% of the time ;-)
until a new Palm OS comes out based on BeOS. Color, multimedia, usefulness...