I don't know about everyone else, but I commonly say "I'll just google it", meaning that I am going to look it up on Google.
Now, what would they want to get rid of that concept? Its obviously just one of those immoral lawsuits to make more money.
Malachi
Perhaps you should read the letter b4 posting it.
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Quotes from the article that show you didn't read the letter before posting it:
"these issues are not inherent to Java"
"We do not believe these flaws are inherent in the Java platform"
"We all agree that the Java language offers many advantages over the alternatives."
"The customer must locate that release and install it." That, IMHO, is complete BS. I never keep anything but the most recent version installed, on Windows or Unix. The only issue I have ever seen like this was with JHDL from Brigham Young, which used "assert" that was added as a keyword (due to customer requests) in 1.4 -- and it still works if you tell it to compile as 1.3 (javac command-line option). I personally would not support an outdated version when a version with bug-fixes is available for free.
"Typical resident set requirements for Java2 programs include: Hello World 9M" Again, BS. I have a TINI board running that only has 8M of memory total, AND I have an old Handspring (8M) that has Sun's JDK and IBM's JDK and Java3D on it.
"Each of these examples is simple, but they demonstrate the general problem that people cannot program for a particular release of Java and expect that their programs will continue to run." Again, BS. I have been coding Java since IBM released JDK 1.0.2 for Win3.11.... I have never had this problem with ANY code I have written.
And their overall request? "We strongly recommend that management require Java to conform to the Software Development Framework ".
If you would have read the letter before posting it, you might have realized that what they were really complaining about was Solaris 7 and 8. They even point out that Solaris 9 is fixed. The pieces of the letter that suggested other languages was specific to the Solaris implementation, as my comments above prove that their statistics are not valid outside of Solaris.
So, Solaris pre-9 is buggy. Big deal, that has nothing to do with how fit Java is as a language.
From the article: "Industry giant Verizon Communications Inc., the dominant local phone provider from Maine to Virginia, has run engineering tests in which DSL speeds were increased from a maximum of 1.5 megabits per second to 7 megabits per second, without additional fiber."
Now, can someone explain to me why Verizon told me personally that they would NEVER be able to get faster than 384/384 to my house. They told me that they could not offer any higher BECAUSE of the 26gauge wire between myself and the C.O., and they they NEVER plan to upgrade that wire.
So, if Verizon is so sure that they can not offer faster than 384k, why are they saying they can offer 7Meg without upgrading the infrastructure?
Well, the problem is that our government (through stupidity, ignorance, or purpose) do not deal with technology correctly. Whether we are talking about them claiming that copying a CD made them loose a few hundred (thousand?) dollars, or whether we are talking about the Patent Office issuing completely invalid patents -- the government is not handling technology correctly. For the punishment to fit the crime, he would have had to be charged for the actual amount of money LOST. R&D was not lost, as they still sold their products. If he would have deleted the data (and all backups) that would have been different. They charged him as if he did.
Actually, Social Engineering is simply obtaining information via Society. It does not HAVE to be via lying or persuasion. It could be hanging out where people just talk too much. It could be simply asking someone what the password is. It could be looking over someone's shoulder. It could be asking someone to help you. It could be anything to do with PEOPLE.
You could actually do really well with current hardware designs. For example, a single chip for cpu/mmu/etc... Memory could easily be done with a smart media or something (thus allowing multiple users to save different boot-sessions). The OLED would be lighter than LCD, and take less battery power (since no refresh required). Etc
Sure, home-made would be more bulky if duplicating what others do -- but perhaps we don't need to duplicate them? I have an entire computer running on a single SIMM at home.
Malachi
Re:Languages for the Java VM...
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I own two. I have the TINI board (www.ibutton.com) and the PTSC chip (www.ptsc.com).
Also, it is very common on handhelds and cell phones. My Handspring has Sun's JDK and IBM's JDK on it, as well as Java3D.
Personally, I am still debating making my own PDA using an open-core java chip and OLED touchscreen.
Interesting that you pointed to the "Good Response" that so thrashed Java. None of those claims are valid anymore, any many weren't then. I can't honestly see someone writing a cross-platform anything in C++, since at the very least it requires recompiling on each platform you support.
I still believe (and have since the early 90s) that Java is currently the best (yes, it still has its problems) solution for anything cross-platform. I compile it on Windows, and it works on my BSD and my friends MAC. My Handspring has Java3D on it, and places like javagaming.org show what can truly be done. Hell, I have Java running on my TINI, which is basically a computer on a SIMM.
I think that, until we have true object oriented software (which requires object oriented hardware, which we don't have), Java is probably going to remain the best option for anything cross-platform.
I can't believe all the B$ I read in response to this post. It appears people prefer to nit-pick about wording rather than reading the meaning.
First of all, an open standard should not put ANY restrictions of ANY kind on the standard. What does this mean? It means, if HTTP is a standard, than anyone should be able to use HTTP without licensing, royalties, etc etc... It would be acceptable to force them to abide by the standard, but not how they implement it.
Second, with all the posts talking about "Company A" and "Company B".... bah! use real-life examples. The MULTIPART content-type, developed by NETSCAPE, is part of the standard. Does that mean M$ can't use it? NO, because it is part of the standard.
Third, regarding extensions to the standard. This is completely allowed and EXPECTED within the RFC for HTTP. That's why there is not a list of all ALLOWED HTTP Headers. If I want x-malachi-geekcode as a header, I can, without breaking the specification or requiring any kind of special licensing.
Fourth, the comment was made about making specifications FREE instead of GPL'ing them... Get a grip everyone... TheSHADOW was completely right there. **IF** someone was to GPL a specification, the use of that specification would have to be GPL'd. Otherwise, you are not living up to the spirit of the license. TheSHADOW was getting at how the specifications should be PUBLIC DOMAIN (my own example) so that it is truly free. Any licensing agreement puts SOME kind of restrictions on it. Even BSD disallows ADDING restrictions, which is, in itself, a restriction. All OPEN specifications should be PUBLIC DOMAIN.
But, as to the original post... Would I ever write GPL code of ANY kind? NO. DO I think GPL code should be ALLOWED? YES.
You say that it's great because now it is finally free? Java is more free than GPL. I can use Java in ANY product I distribute, commercial or open-source, with or without source code, et cetera, etc... GPL puts all these restrictions on so that no company I have ever worked for was WILLING or ABLE to use GPL code/components.
So, if you mean free as in NO ONE USES IT, sure. If you mean free as in I CAN DO WHATEVER THE HELL I WANT, then Java wins over ANYTHING GPL.
And, if you are going to doubt me without looking up the facts, consider who is on the JCP (www.jcp.org), ask yourself why Apache is on it.
I mean, I should expect your close-minded attitude, since many people here on slashdot slam Java because it isn't C/ASM.... but then again, I guess we could all make fun of you for making tools that you have to rebuild on each platform -- what a waste of time.
"But Java is slow!" So is X11 and e2fsck and format and dd.... It's the APP, you moron, not the language. Any REAL programmer would know that.
Sorry, this isn't meant to be a flame, but do some research before you post B$ as FACT.
The problem is a bit more insidius than that, I think. For example, a friend recently told me that the MPAA/RIAA get money for every blank CDR bought. Spending about 20 seconds on google, I found a reference ( http://www.nylug.org/mlist/nylug-talk_mhonarc/2000 -06/msg00092.html ) to that happening in Canada, but didn't spend the time to verify it or see if it is indeed happening here. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised.
So, let's say you are trying to be in direct competition with them... but they get money for every disc you burn.... makes it really hard to fight them...
To really boycott them, we would have to make sure not to spend money on anything they get revenue from.... that might take quite a bit of work.
>> Watermarking is probably the lesser of evils as >> it does not stop you copying the music (AFAIK). >> What it will do however is provide an audit >> trail of where the music came from.
So, what you are saying then is that most likely there will be a few fake users that use the service once or twice (like with hacker/cracker and porn sites), give the music out on ftp, and then not be traceable because they weren't real people?
Or are they going to require users to prove who they are over email?
If the radio/MTV plays a song I like, it really sucks to pay $20 for the CD to find out it was the ONLY good song... but, personally, I am not going to use a service that requires IE and doesn't support my hardware.... Last thing I need to do is support the DMCA/RIAA/MPAA/M$
From: "Johan Wennberg" <support@anti-leech.com> To: <malachi@eoti.org> Subject: Re: Your Service and/. Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 22:11:09 +0100
Hello,
I noticed that and received around 4-500 e-mails about our service today. All advertising is good advertising;)
Thanks, Johan Wennberg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Malachi de AElfweald" <malachi@eoti.org> To: <general@anti-leech.com> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 8:22 PM Subject: Your Service and/. > I don't know if you are aware, but/. ran an article on your Ant-Theft > service. > You might be interested to see people's reactions: > > http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/11/24/20 55253&mode=nested&tid=95 > > Malachi
1) Loaded with Opera7 -- changed to Refuse Popups during the test. It said blocked, as expected, like 30 seconds later... I changed it to Accept Popups, and it said refused still. As expected.
2) Restarted Opera7, with set to Accept popups, and it STILL refused it. Even though I allowed popups.
3) Tried with IE, which can't block popups. IT STILL REFUSED, saying I was blocking.
Friggin useless. It blocks everything. And takes at least 3-6 times longer than most people are WILLING to wait to do so. How many of you normally wait 30 seconds for a page to load before closing it and going elsewhere?
This is almost as stupid and pointless as AT&T saying that we are stilling if we don't watch the commercials we are paying for. If a site wants to show 30 popups when I hit it, it is considered extremely impolite, unprofessional, and annoying. As such, I either block the popups or make sure not to bookmark it. Wonder if I can block sites that use their service? If they have to use advertisements to support their site, why don't they do something like/. or Opera, where the banner ad stays at the top, out of the way? Just because a popup shows an ad doesn't mean I am any more likely to look at it. Quite the opposite. I click on Opera banners quite often -- I **never** look at popup ads.
Besides, how long would it really take someone (who was bored, of course) to circumvent this:
document.cookie = "testing=testing"; var test = document.cookie; var alt_url = null; if (test == ""){ alt_url = 'http://www.anti-leech.com/antitheft_test.php?id=d emo_the&test=1&cookie=no'; } else { alt_url = 'http://www.anti-leech.com/antitheft_test.php?id=d emo_the&test=1&cookie=yes'; } document.write("<i frame width=120 height=60 noresize scrolling=No frameborder=0 marginheight=0 marginwidth=0 SRC='"+alt_url+"'>"); document.write("<laye r SRC='http://www.anti-leech.com/at_complete.php?id= demo_the&noiframe=1'></layer>"); document.write(" </iframe>");
I was an active member of Oceania, and still believe in the principles... However, I am not so sure about joining any project run by Eric. Though he seemed like a nice guy, he flaked off without telling anyone what was happening or where their money was going.
I love this quote, in relation to the fact he hasn't replied to anything Oceania in YEARS: "Eric Klien, founder of Colossus, Inc., a web hosting company since 1995 and founder of The Atlantis Project, an ambition made obsolete by current events."
He may be on the up-and-up, but from past experience with Oceania, I have to personally assume that it is a scam.
The answer is fairly simple on my end. If I get rid of windows, my girlfriend won't be able to play her games, and life at home will be hell.
Realistically, I currently do Java development on WinXP and FreeBSD. Besides testing on both machines, it doesn't really matter which one I develop on since I refuse to code anything OS-specific. I have an old 133 laptop running 98, which I don't think I have booted for a month or two. I also have a TINI board running on the network, but I haven't played with it in awhile.
I would prefer to have 5 or 6 more machines running, with different OS's, but realistically wouldn't use them very often.
What really sucks though is that I actually had to launch IE to post a reply to this message because Opera7 wouldn't show the REPLY button.
Personally, I had never heard of it. Since I wrote the webserver I am running (replaced Apache), I am pretty sure that I don't currently support it. Might take a look at it though....
However, Opera aleady allows me to block the popups....
And, what marketer is going to use P3P when they read this: "Imagine that, in an effort to reduce the mail she receives, Cindy has told her browser that she wants to be warned whenever a site says that it will use her information to send her marketing promotions."
It only helps if those you want to block decide to use it.
I am responding here at the top level instead of in response to one of the comments, because many threads commented on this.
There seems to be some big misunderstandings. I was investigating OLEDs (for myself a few years ago while working at Intel), and even posted some comments on/. regarding its possible use with VR.
There was a comment regarding OLEDs taking more power because they are not passive. That is not true. There are active AND passive OLEDs -- it just depends on where you get them (XEROX, KODAK, Cambridge, eMagin, et al). There are many different technologies that are all being help under the same umbrella. Passive OLEDs would have all of the benefits people claim this would have over OLED.
From what I remember, passive OLEDs were being used in JC Pennys for signs. I don't remember whether Pioneer car stereos were using active or passive, but I would guess active.
Generally, I think active displays would be more likely to be mass-marketed, because they can use normal LCD drivers. However, passive OLEDs do not require ANY refresh when idle. They keep their image until power is supplied to change the image. If I remember right, it had to do with polarization from the spray-on transistors.
The reason they are not extremely popular right now is that the current LCD and CRT manufacturers have a vested interest in the status quo. Until OLEDs are mass-produced, they will cost more. In the long run however, they are cheaper, easier, and faster to make using an ink-jet type of technology.
As far as resolution... I have not looked around in about a year, but eMagin had an expensive 1024x768 full-color OLED monitor at 2". Though small, 2 of them would be nice for VR headset, eh?
So, the moral of the story is this... If you are going to let all comments from an emerging technology be taken at face value, at least find out what DIFFERENT versions exists (ie: active or passive OLED). None of the comments against OLEDs here on/. apply to both versions.
Well, first hit to it too FOREVER.... After that, the rest of the pages seemed to load about 1/3rd slower (IE: this page loaded in 1x and it would have loaded in.66x on brak).
Also, I notice it says I have 30 moderation points. Was that on purpose, or bug?
The only way they would know if they clicked a link or typed in the URL is via the Referer HTTP header. I propose a couple possible ways in which that Referer entry would not be transmitted to them, thus making it LOOK like it was typed in, even if it wasn't.
1) Out of the thousands of active browsers, perhaps they use one that doesn't send that attribute
2) Out of the thousands of active browsers, perhaps they use one that allows them to refuse to send that attribute.
3) Out of the thousands of active browsers, perhaps they use one that sent a mis-spelled referer header. As a side note, I have noticed this behavior with the "Range"/"Content-Range"/"Content-range" header.
4) Perhaps their server was expecting a slight variation of the referer header (read aside on #3).
5) Perhaps they were using an anonymous redirector
6) Perhaps they were using a Firewall that filters referer headers out
7) According to RFC 2616, "The Referer field MUST NOT be sent if the Request-URI was obtained from a source that does not have its own URI, such as input from the user keyboard." Perhaps it was coming from somewhere else that did not have its own URI.
8) Perhaps the receiving server was broken and not picking up the header.
9) Perhaps they were browing a website that used the SCRIPT tag to launch and auto-fill in the URL.
10) Perhaps they were on something like the GAIN network that launched URLs without their permission.
11) Perhaps they had a virus
12) Perhaps someone at the suing company deleted the logs to frame them.
Should I go on? I am not saying that I expect that any of these were true -- but am pointing out that their referer logs are not valid for legal submission of evidence, since there is no way the suing company can gaurantee that the URL was typed in.
Report them to the IFCCFBI (ifccfbi.gov). That is the combined efforts of the FBI and the FCC to fight Internet Fraud. I finally got tired of being ripped off by LCIS (read: Computer Books Direct/bookspan) and filed a complaint against them. You should file an official complaint against PayPal.
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I don't know about everyone else, but I commonly say "I'll just google it", meaning that I am going to look it up on Google.
Now, what would they want to get rid of that concept? Its obviously just one of those immoral lawsuits to make more money.
Malachi
Quotes from the article that show you didn't read the letter before posting it:
"these issues are not inherent to Java"
"We do not believe these flaws are inherent in the Java platform"
"We all agree that the Java language offers many advantages over the alternatives."
"The customer must locate that release and install it." That, IMHO, is complete BS. I never keep anything but the most recent version installed, on Windows or Unix. The only issue I have ever seen like this was with JHDL from Brigham Young, which used "assert" that was added as a keyword (due to customer requests) in 1.4 -- and it still works if you tell it to compile as 1.3 (javac command-line option). I personally would not support an outdated version when a version with bug-fixes is available for free.
"Typical resident set requirements for Java2 programs include: Hello World 9M" Again, BS. I have a TINI board running that only has 8M of memory total, AND I have an old Handspring (8M) that has Sun's JDK and IBM's JDK and Java3D on it.
"Each of these examples is simple, but they demonstrate the general problem that people cannot program for a particular release of Java and expect that their programs will continue to run." Again, BS. I have been coding Java since IBM released JDK 1.0.2 for Win3.11.... I have never had this problem with ANY code I have written.
And their overall request? "We strongly recommend that management require Java to conform to the Software Development Framework ".
If you would have read the letter before posting it, you might have realized that what they were really complaining about was Solaris 7 and 8. They even point out that Solaris 9 is fixed. The pieces of the letter that suggested other languages was specific to the Solaris implementation, as my comments above prove that their statistics are not valid outside of Solaris.
So, Solaris pre-9 is buggy. Big deal, that has nothing to do with how fit Java is as a language.
Malachi
From the article:
"Industry giant Verizon Communications Inc., the dominant local phone provider from Maine to Virginia, has run engineering tests in which DSL speeds were increased from a maximum of 1.5 megabits per second to 7 megabits per second, without additional fiber."
Now, can someone explain to me why Verizon told me personally that they would NEVER be able to get faster than 384/384 to my house. They told me that they could not offer any higher BECAUSE of the 26gauge wire between myself and the C.O., and they they NEVER plan to upgrade that wire.
So, if Verizon is so sure that they can not offer faster than 384k, why are they saying they can offer 7Meg without upgrading the infrastructure?
Malachi
I saw this comment here on Slashdot (didn't read the article since its registration-required)... Then saw this story on Tech TV.
:)
The decided to check the MSN homepage with my Opera browser. Looks like they fixed it, cuz I am veiwing it correctly
Well, the problem is that our government (through stupidity, ignorance, or purpose) do not deal with technology correctly. Whether we are talking about them claiming that copying a CD made them loose a few hundred (thousand?) dollars, or whether we are talking about the Patent Office issuing completely invalid patents -- the government is not handling technology correctly. For the punishment to fit the crime, he would have had to be charged for the actual amount of money LOST. R&D was not lost, as they still sold their products. If he would have deleted the data (and all backups) that would have been different. They charged him as if he did.
Actually, Social Engineering is simply obtaining information via Society. It does not HAVE to be via lying or persuasion. It could be hanging out where people just talk too much. It could be simply asking someone what the password is. It could be looking over someone's shoulder. It could be asking someone to help you. It could be anything to do with PEOPLE.
Although tempted to not reply...
You could actually do really well with current hardware designs. For example, a single chip for cpu/mmu/etc... Memory could easily be done with a smart media or something (thus allowing multiple users to save different boot-sessions). The OLED would be lighter than LCD, and take less battery power (since no refresh required). Etc
Sure, home-made would be more bulky if duplicating what others do -- but perhaps we don't need to duplicate them? I have an entire computer running on a single SIMM at home.
Malachi
I own two. I have the TINI board (www.ibutton.com) and the PTSC chip (www.ptsc.com).
Also, it is very common on handhelds and cell phones. My Handspring has Sun's JDK and IBM's JDK on it, as well as Java3D.
Personally, I am still debating making my own PDA using an open-core java chip and OLED touchscreen.
Malachi
Hey! I was getting ready to post that link!
:)
Good job
Malachi
Interesting that you pointed to the "Good Response" that so thrashed Java. None of those claims are valid anymore, any many weren't then. I can't honestly see someone writing a cross-platform anything in C++, since at the very least it requires recompiling on each platform you support.
I still believe (and have since the early 90s) that Java is currently the best (yes, it still has its problems) solution for anything cross-platform. I compile it on Windows, and it works on my BSD and my friends MAC. My Handspring has Java3D on it, and places like javagaming.org show what can truly be done. Hell, I have Java running on my TINI, which is basically a computer on a SIMM.
I think that, until we have true object oriented software (which requires object oriented hardware, which we don't have), Java is probably going to remain the best option for anything cross-platform.
I can't believe all the B$ I read in response to this post. It appears people prefer to nit-pick about wording rather than reading the meaning.
First of all, an open standard should not put ANY restrictions of ANY kind on the standard. What does this mean? It means, if HTTP is a standard, than anyone should be able to use HTTP without licensing, royalties, etc etc... It would be acceptable to force them to abide by the standard, but not how they implement it.
Second, with all the posts talking about "Company A" and "Company B".... bah! use real-life examples. The MULTIPART content-type, developed by NETSCAPE, is part of the standard. Does that mean M$ can't use it? NO, because it is part of the standard.
Third, regarding extensions to the standard. This is completely allowed and EXPECTED within the RFC for HTTP. That's why there is not a list of all ALLOWED HTTP Headers. If I want x-malachi-geekcode as a header, I can, without breaking the specification or requiring any kind of special licensing.
Fourth, the comment was made about making specifications FREE instead of GPL'ing them... Get a grip everyone... TheSHADOW was completely right there. **IF** someone was to GPL a specification, the use of that specification would have to be GPL'd. Otherwise, you are not living up to the spirit of the license. TheSHADOW was getting at how the specifications should be PUBLIC DOMAIN (my own example) so that it is truly free. Any licensing agreement puts SOME kind of restrictions on it. Even BSD disallows ADDING restrictions, which is, in itself, a restriction. All OPEN specifications should be PUBLIC DOMAIN.
But, as to the original post... Would I ever write GPL code of ANY kind? NO. DO I think GPL code should be ALLOWED? YES.
I'm a member as well, but there is no chapter here in the Portland, OR area.
Side Note: YOU in the previous post refers to random responses above.
You say that it's great because now it is finally free? Java is more free than GPL. I can use Java in ANY product I distribute, commercial or open-source, with or without source code, et cetera, etc... GPL puts all these restrictions on so that no company I have ever worked for was WILLING or ABLE to use GPL code/components.
So, if you mean free as in NO ONE USES IT, sure. If you mean free as in I CAN DO WHATEVER THE HELL I WANT, then Java wins over ANYTHING GPL.
And, if you are going to doubt me without looking up the facts, consider who is on the JCP (www.jcp.org), ask yourself why Apache is on it.
I mean, I should expect your close-minded attitude, since many people here on slashdot slam Java because it isn't C/ASM.... but then again, I guess we could all make fun of you for making tools that you have to rebuild on each platform -- what a waste of time.
"But Java is slow!" So is X11 and e2fsck and format and dd.... It's the APP, you moron, not the language. Any REAL programmer would know that.
Sorry, this isn't meant to be a flame, but do some research before you post B$ as FACT.
The problem is a bit more insidius than that, I think. For example, a friend recently told me that the MPAA/RIAA get money for every blank CDR bought. Spending about 20 seconds on google, I found a reference ( http://www.nylug.org/mlist/nylug-talk_mhonarc/2000 -06/msg00092.html ) to that happening in Canada, but didn't spend the time to verify it or see if it is indeed happening here. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised.
So, let's say you are trying to be in direct competition with them... but they get money for every disc you burn.... makes it really hard to fight them...
To really boycott them, we would have to make sure not to spend money on anything they get revenue from.... that might take quite a bit of work.
>> Watermarking is probably the lesser of evils as
>> it does not stop you copying the music (AFAIK).
>> What it will do however is provide an audit
>> trail of where the music came from.
So, what you are saying then is that most likely there will be a few fake users that use the service once or twice (like with hacker/cracker and porn sites), give the music out on ftp, and then not be traceable because they weren't real people?
Or are they going to require users to prove who they are over email?
If the radio/MTV plays a song I like, it really sucks to pay $20 for the CD to find out it was the ONLY good song... but, personally, I am not going to use a service that requires IE and doesn't support my hardware.... Last thing I need to do is support the DMCA/RIAA/MPAA/M$
Malachi
If anyone is interested, I emailed them....
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From: "Johan Wennberg" <support@anti-leech.com>
To: <malachi@eoti.org>
Subject: Re: Your Service and
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 22:11:09 +0100
Hello,
I noticed that and received around 4-500 e-mails about our service today. All advertising is good advertising
Thanks,
Johan Wennberg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Malachi de AElfweald" <malachi@eoti.org>
To: <general@anti-leech.com>
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 8:22 PM
Subject: Your Service and
> I don't know if you are aware, but
> service.
> You might be interested to see people's reactions:
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> http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/11/24/2
>
> Malachi
1) Loaded with Opera7 -- changed to Refuse Popups during the test. It said blocked, as expected, like 30 seconds later... I changed it to Accept Popups, and it said refused still. As expected.
2) Restarted Opera7, with set to Accept popups, and it STILL refused it. Even though I allowed popups.
3) Tried with IE, which can't block popups. IT STILL REFUSED, saying I was blocking.
Friggin useless. It blocks everything. And takes at least 3-6 times longer than most people are WILLING to wait to do so. How many of you normally wait 30 seconds for a page to load before closing it and going elsewhere?
This is almost as stupid and pointless as AT&T saying that we are stilling if we don't watch the commercials we are paying for. If a site wants to show 30 popups when I hit it, it is considered extremely impolite, unprofessional, and annoying. As such, I either block the popups or make sure not to bookmark it. Wonder if I can block sites that use their service? If they have to use advertisements to support their site, why don't they do something like /. or Opera, where the banner ad stays at the top, out of the way? Just because a popup shows an ad doesn't mean I am any more likely to look at it. Quite the opposite. I click on Opera banners quite often -- I **never** look at popup ads.
Besides, how long would it really take someone (who was bored, of course) to circumvent this:
I was an active member of Oceania, and still believe in the principles... However, I am not so sure about joining any project run by Eric. Though he seemed like a nice guy, he flaked off without telling anyone what was happening or where their money was going.
I love this quote, in relation to the fact he hasn't replied to anything Oceania in YEARS:
"Eric Klien, founder of Colossus, Inc., a web hosting company since 1995 and founder of The Atlantis Project, an ambition made obsolete by current events."
He may be on the up-and-up, but from past experience with Oceania, I have to personally assume that it is a scam.
Malachi
The answer is fairly simple on my end. If I get rid of windows, my girlfriend won't be able to play her games, and life at home will be hell.
Realistically, I currently do Java development on WinXP and FreeBSD. Besides testing on both machines, it doesn't really matter which one I develop on since I refuse to code anything OS-specific. I have an old 133 laptop running 98, which I don't think I have booted for a month or two. I also have a TINI board running on the network, but I haven't played with it in awhile.
I would prefer to have 5 or 6 more machines running, with different OS's, but realistically wouldn't use them very often.
What really sucks though is that I actually had to launch IE to post a reply to this message because Opera7 wouldn't show the REPLY button.
Personally, I had never heard of it. Since I wrote the webserver I am running (replaced Apache), I am pretty sure that I don't currently support it. Might take a look at it though....
However, Opera aleady allows me to block the popups....
And, what marketer is going to use P3P when they read this:
"Imagine that, in an effort to reduce the mail she receives, Cindy has told her browser that she wants to be warned whenever a site says that it will use her information to send her marketing promotions."
It only helps if those you want to block decide to use it.
I am responding here at the top level instead of in response to one of the comments, because many threads commented on this.
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There seems to be some big misunderstandings. I was investigating OLEDs (for myself a few years ago while working at Intel), and even posted some comments on
There was a comment regarding OLEDs taking more power because they are not passive. That is not true. There are active AND passive OLEDs -- it just depends on where you get them (XEROX, KODAK, Cambridge, eMagin, et al). There are many different technologies that are all being help under the same umbrella. Passive OLEDs would have all of the benefits people claim this would have over OLED.
From what I remember, passive OLEDs were being used in JC Pennys for signs. I don't remember whether Pioneer car stereos were using active or passive, but I would guess active.
Generally, I think active displays would be more likely to be mass-marketed, because they can use normal LCD drivers. However, passive OLEDs do not require ANY refresh when idle. They keep their image until power is supplied to change the image. If I remember right, it had to do with polarization from the spray-on transistors.
The reason they are not extremely popular right now is that the current LCD and CRT manufacturers have a vested interest in the status quo. Until OLEDs are mass-produced, they will cost more. In the long run however, they are cheaper, easier, and faster to make using an ink-jet type of technology.
As far as resolution... I have not looked around in about a year, but eMagin had an expensive 1024x768 full-color OLED monitor at 2". Though small, 2 of them would be nice for VR headset, eh?
So, the moral of the story is this... If you are going to let all comments from an emerging technology be taken at face value, at least find out what DIFFERENT versions exists (ie: active or passive OLED). None of the comments against OLEDs here on
Malachi
Well, first hit to it too FOREVER.... After that, the rest of the pages seemed to load about 1/3rd slower (IE: this page loaded in 1x and it would have loaded in .66x on brak).
Also, I notice it says I have 30 moderation points. Was that on purpose, or bug?
The only way they would know if they clicked a link or typed in the URL is via the Referer HTTP header. I propose a couple possible ways in which that Referer entry would not be transmitted to them, thus making it LOOK like it was typed in, even if it wasn't.
1) Out of the thousands of active browsers, perhaps they use one that doesn't send that attribute
2) Out of the thousands of active browsers, perhaps they use one that allows them to refuse to send that attribute.
3) Out of the thousands of active browsers, perhaps they use one that sent a mis-spelled referer header. As a side note, I have noticed this behavior with the "Range"/"Content-Range"/"Content-range" header.
4) Perhaps their server was expecting a slight variation of the referer header (read aside on #3).
5) Perhaps they were using an anonymous redirector
6) Perhaps they were using a Firewall that filters referer headers out
7) According to RFC 2616, "The Referer field MUST NOT be sent if the Request-URI was obtained from a source that does not have its own URI, such as input from the user keyboard." Perhaps it was coming from somewhere else that did not have its own URI.
8) Perhaps the receiving server was broken and not picking up the header.
9) Perhaps they were browing a website that used the SCRIPT tag to launch and auto-fill in the URL.
10) Perhaps they were on something like the GAIN network that launched URLs without their permission.
11) Perhaps they had a virus
12) Perhaps someone at the suing company deleted the logs to frame them.
Should I go on? I am not saying that I expect that any of these were true -- but am pointing out that their referer logs are not valid for legal submission of evidence, since there is no way the suing company can gaurantee that the URL was typed in.
Report them to the IFCCFBI (ifccfbi.gov). That is the combined efforts of the FBI and the FCC to fight Internet Fraud. I finally got tired of being ripped off by LCIS (read: Computer Books Direct/bookspan) and filed a complaint against them. You should file an official complaint against PayPal.