From the perspective of veterans," writes Stefik, "hordes of new users have invaded their discussions over the past few years, using bad etiquette and asking dumb questions.
There is something to this, except it's not new. This happened every fall. they were called freshmen. They would get net access, do something stupid, get flamed. Eventually they would learn the basic lesson that when they wanted to do something that they did not now much about - read the faq, man page whatever. Sometimes the computer itself "flames" them. The guy that learns about rm -rf by trying it instead of reading the man page first gets what they deserve.
The problem is twofold. 1) the new newbies have been coming faster than the old ones can be civilised ever since The September That Never Ended (AOL) and 2) The AOL's just dump users in the deep end and give them no guidance. These users also typically lack the student mindset completely - they have no desire to learn. I'm sorry. I completely can't relate to people who truly honestly don't want to learn anything new. Best for all concerened if I just flame them early so they think I'm a twerp and avoid me.
I mean really. . I will try not to make the mistake of posting anything even remotely like this on Slashdot ever again. . It was slightly dumb, but welcome to the world. Maybe having someone else eyeball it and ask "does this need wider exposure at this time" would have been better. It's not the decline and fall of western civilization though. If you get too afraid of doing something stupid you'll never do anything at all.
I do think this deserves some intelligent discussion. It was put before the masses before it had been distilled to that point. So predictibly enough lots of people now want to pour hot grits on you. Learn, move on - don't make too much of it.
I don't know much about the language imbedded in dvds for menus, jumpscenes, white rabbits - but it seems you could make a nonlinear title like you are suggesting. Even if there is no rand() function, there may well be some kludge that provides random enoughness.
Is why it was moderated down. I know about patronizing - I'm an asshole too, ask anyone. Even if we agree with you, it's still offtopic.
The idea of Java "enhancements" from an arrogant AC does not make me feel confident forwhateverthatsworth. nntp would make it unavailable at work (which practices security though saying no to everything).
umm... no. This basically indicates the way it *should* work but doesn't. says that standard vga is all you get until 3.3.4 after which it should work. the support in 3.3.4 was specifically to the retail 86C365 chip on a S3 card you would buy at the store. It is not for the OEM chip 86C366 which is customized a the board level by the OEM (IBM I assume in this case) and may or may not work. On some of these IBM boxes it works and on some it does not.
I have one that it does not work on. I assume the person that made the first post does too. It's not that I (or he) don't know how to hack the config file. redbook's setup just sets it up to auto probe with the SVGA server and tells you to be happy with 640x480x16 if it doens't work.
Is this the same IBM that makes all the Linux noise lately?
I'm another of the folk that can't get the ibm 300pl w/ s3 trio 3d with the 86c366 chipset to run. It would appear that there are subtle differences in the OEM 85C366 chipsets used in these. Some are essentially identical to the normal 85C365 trio 3d and some have an unknown (at least to me)difference. It's enough to make it fail but subtle enough that debug output shows that the xserver thinks everything is working fine.
I've sent queries to IBM on this and gotten no response at all (surprise). I've also scoured the usenet groups and tried all suggestions found there - even the ones that seem silly (cargo cult diagnostics?). no joy.
In the next year, Mills promises, the revolution will be "hydrinoized."
The revolution will not be hydrinoized. The revolution will not be brought to you by Blacklight Power In 4 parts without commercial interruptions. The revolution will not show you pictures of Dr. Randell Mills blowing a bugle and leading a charge by Niels Bohr, Albert Einsten and Richard Feynman to eat hog maws confiscated from a Harlem sanctuary. The revolution will not be hydrinoized.
There would be forces decreasing diversity, as you say, but I think they would be statistically dwarfed by those increasing it.
To support your position there was discussion of the benefit of being heterzygous for sickle cell anemia. I can see a large % of the population opting for this frankly. Say everyone does. You would have eliminated diversity in, maybe 0.000000000000000001% of the human genome (probably even less, but you see the point). I just think the various forces increasing diversity will be of a much larger magnitude.
However, you now have me considering the gene for buffiness. Say I take a base model Alyssa Milano and splice in the gene for buffiness. Maybe I'll get Lara Croft! If anyone wants me, I'll be up in the lab.
What will we lose by giving up some of our diversity?
Survival. Ultimately, the species will face greater threats because we won't have that fraction of the population that's immune to something that's capable of killing 90%. How do we stop it? Extraterrestrial colonisation is my favourite answer.
??? Huh? Have you ever seen anyone reasonably suggest millions of identical clones like some bioengineered wheatfield? no. In a worst case scenario diveristy would probably increase. 99.9% of characteristics would never be selected for or against and would remain essentially random. Diversity would probably increase from people splicing in a bit from here and a bit from there as well as faddish things like a zebra stiped skull that would turn out coincidentally to protect against some new plague.
Sure, you can reasonably expect a market for clones of Sarah Michelle Geller (hmmm....) but there wouldn't be more than a few thousand knockoffs before that fad faded and everyone wanted a Torvalds. Not enough of a problem to cause your doomsday scenario.
It doesn't really matter if any of us think this is a good or bad idea. It's going to be too cheap and too easy (it already is really). If 10% of the populace wants it the other 90% will not be able to stop them.
Actually, it's good advice...more recent versions of Lynx list the links inside of the frame, as well as the idiotic message the too-lazy-to-write-HTML-4 webmaster put there instead of doing the right thing
true, but... I couldn't telnet to home because corporate firewalls ssh (I'm going to get mad at them one of these days) so I had to telnet to one of my domains at pair.com and use their installed lynx to take a quick peek at idsoftware and see if I can buy stock. I can't upgrade their lynx - or rather an email would probably get them to do it (they are pretty responsive) but I just wanted to peek at the "corporate info" page and it's not worth the hassle. I'm lazy, sue me.
The sort of "unusual but it happens" scenario that nobody thinks about when they build pages that just flat break if your browser doesn't support feature 'X'. Not that I haven't done it myself after banging my head on the desk and chanting 'No No No' at guys in ties hasn't worked...
this has nothing to do with The Topic at Hand though.
I agree with a lot of the comments that John Carmack and a few others have the best position from which to develop useful VR environments that do something someone wants done. I'd be really be interested in how/where we can get involved - from a couple of perspectives.
Would the work be inside of ID or as part of a new startup? I don't think ID is publicly traded so I can't invest in them and get filthy rich (PS: my corporate nanny firewalls their site and tunneling out and lynxing from elsewhere gives me "Eeek, No frames support. Please upgrade your web browser" --- don't do that).
I can't code at John's level, but what could less genius hackers contribute to a project like this? I'll finish learning OpenGL and even....c++ if needed. Hey, if ID were hiring I'd even go back into software QA (Oh, God! did I say that out loud!?).
Think of an open source component to the project. I can see a medium hard time convincing IDers and VC of a total open source vision for a VR project,but open sourcing big chunks and getting the community involved would make easy some things that are otherwise hard.
Hey, he may actually read this. The "John Carmack" that made a couple of posts a half hour ago doesn't have a PGP key in his user page, but it does sound like him.
sounds almost exactly like what they claim. It started by virtalizing DOS (text and graphics) apps into X11 by 1991 and virtualizing win 3.1 apps by intercepting calls at the windows video/ mouse/kbd call level. I recall seeing this at an internal demo level, could have been later than late 1992/ early 1993. Don't remember when we shipped it, certainly before 1995.
if we can assume the web box has a GPS in it (seems reasonable) and given that it talks he sohuld be able to just yell into it "my daughter is starving and has no more than a day to live". Maybe the box dropping fairies can drop a pack of rice. Then we can get on with the fishing lesson.
I think this has been answered pretty well by othre posts, but -- it's not quite a geosynchronous orbit. If were perfectly geosynchronous then something like a hurracaine could pull on the cable and yank the entire thing down. You pull it down enough with the cable that the cable is tensioned and will resist environmental forces that would tend destabilize it. You'd still get standing waves in the cable, but I gather these are not as big a problem as they could be.
anyway, this means that the centrifugal force is larger than the gravitational force. So, if you just let go of the bottom of the structure it should be hurled away from the earth like a fanblade. In the aforementioned Red Mars Scenario terrorists blew up the anchoring satellite. Losing the ballast like that make it fall to earth regardless. Lacking an anchor point it may do less damage, but still a big mess. Megadeaths, bad press, angry investors. An all around bad day for everyone.
garyr
interesting electrical properties too
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Sir Arthur Speaks
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· Score: 3
In addition to great strength, by changing the orientation of the carbon rings you can get a conductor, a diode or a semiconductor. Extremely cool things. The 1st folks that can make them in industrial quantities are going to get fantastically rich.
in re falling skyhooks: couldn't you set it up so that a disaster would cause a disconnect at the base so that it would (in most cases) fall up rather than down? I still wouldn't want to be on it at the time. I recall some papers from a few years ago also that showed skyhooks to be fairly stable, statically and dynamically.
Amusing as it sounds that they make these rules so that kids won't see things that make Mommy sue, I've always been told by show organizers that it's a simple safety issue.
The exhibit floor is considered safe enough for adults, but not safe enough for "children". Piles of wire with rubber mat thrown over the top and duct tape at the edges, booths that could probably be knocked over if kids chasing each other slam into them, etc. Here in the USA a person 17 years and 364 days is considered likely to crawl on their hands and knees and chew on the ethernet cable, but the next day is fully adult. It would be law suit city if they didn't do this.
This is also why they could not care less if you lie to get in. All they need is to be able to go into a court and say that they made a Good Faith effort to keep "the children" safe.
I mean really. You have to be holding perfectly still and paying attention to even notice these unless you are sitting right at ground zero. I know whereof I speak. I'm sitting right now at pretty much exactly ground zero of the Northridge quake and live 20 miles away. We had many many many 5.x aftershocks while I was at work (Northridge). you could feel them here, but they just rattled the suspended ceiling a bit, didn't upset all the delicate equipment in the lab at all. Hopping 6 inches in the air bounces the lab equipment in the entire lab more than most of these aftershocks. A 5.x aftershock at night when I'm home half the people wouldn't even feel.
Now if you have a shattered building from the previous quake that's ready to fall the rest of the way down in the slightest breeze this may be all it takes. I'm hoping nobody is in those buildings. If so -- you may want to leave.
A someone already said, this won't even wake anyone up. Anything in taiwan that can be broken by =7 is already broken. We had a 7.1 night before last and nobody broke a sweat over it. Earthquakes are a highly overrated danger unless you live in a poorly built building. Even then it has to be a poorly built building that's less that ~20 years old or it would have fallen down by now.
On the other hand there are the annoying things like my brick wall that I haven't yet fixed from the Northridge quake and the fact that I own a little stock in Nvidia and their stock gets whacked everytime someone in Taiwan sneezes.
Though I guess we've lost AC there for good his point is not relevant - it's silly.
There is no longer a post above his that is marked as flamebait or is at -1. So some one ninny moderated it down. people came back soon (probably while he was writing his tirade) and moderated it back up. That how it's *supposed* to work.
Step back, take a deep breath, count to 10 (in greek)
garyr
really only 1 bad "do and 1 bad "don't"
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Leaving aside the "do as I say not as I do" arguments (valid as they are) this is only really in that they say
DON'T try to break into computers instead of DON'T try to break into other people's computers Trying to break into your own computer is just educational. If it had been proposed to whatever non technical person wrote this they probably would have even modified it thus.
second they say essentially "do use chat rooms" and then followup with things not to do there. This is, IMNSHO, bad advice. Chat room are basically a toilet. Always have been and I don't know a way to fix them. I have small children and let them do most anything they want on the net (no net.nanny crap) but they don't need to know IRC exists. The chat areas on the game servers like battlenet and WON are bad enough, though the kids don't hang out there - they play games.
IRC is where the (very few) pederasts lurk and all the other things parents worry about tend to occur. Put that against the fact that 99.99% of everything there is crap and you've got it. They can chat with their friends via things like ICQ that are less public. IRC is occasionally useful enough for an adult or older kid to wade through the "what sex RU" crap that invades even #perl or #c++ - or even for teens to learn to flirt in a semi-safe place (A 16 year old that can be lured by a loony on IRC has more fundamental problems than IRC itself). For the age range these pages are aimed for it is just lose/lose.
Alright I found one more that boils me. On the "reckless driving" page they say
Lots of kids know enough about computers to hack into big networks, but so what?
AHHHHHHHG! I knew there had to be something here that would 'out' them as the totally freaking stupid DOJ we know and love.
If you accept Lawrence's taxonomy (which like all such is just a piece of the picture) then Matrix is in the classic Gibson mold witha twist, like Snow Crash.
Slashdot Mirror
From the perspective of veterans," writes Stefik, "hordes of new users have invaded their
discussions over the past few years, using bad etiquette and asking dumb questions.
There is something to this, except it's not new. This happened every fall. they were called freshmen. They would get net access, do something stupid, get flamed. Eventually they would learn the basic lesson that when they wanted to do something that they did not now much about - read the faq, man page whatever. Sometimes the computer itself "flames" them. The guy that learns about rm -rf by trying it instead of reading the man page first gets what they deserve.
The problem is twofold. 1) the new newbies have
been coming faster than the old ones can be civilised ever since The September That Never Ended (AOL) and 2) The AOL's just dump users in the deep end and give them no guidance. These users also typically lack the student mindset completely - they have no desire to learn. I'm sorry. I completely can't relate to people who truly honestly don't want to learn anything new. Best for all concerened if I just flame them early so they think I'm a twerp and avoid me.
garyr
I mean really.
. I will try not to make the mistake of posting anything even remotely like this on Slashdot ever again. . It was slightly dumb, but welcome to the world. Maybe having someone else eyeball
it and ask "does this need wider exposure at this time" would have been better. It's not the decline and fall of western civilization though. If you get too afraid of doing something stupid you'll never do anything at all.
I do think this deserves some intelligent discussion. It was put before the masses
before it had been distilled to that point. So
predictibly enough lots of people now want to pour hot grits on you. Learn, move on - don't make too much of it.
garyr
I don't know much about the language
imbedded in dvds for menus, jumpscenes,
white rabbits - but it seems you could
make a nonlinear title like you are suggesting.
Even if there is no rand() function, there
may well be some kludge that provides random
enoughness.
garyr
Is why it was moderated down. I know about
patronizing - I'm an asshole too, ask anyone.
Even if we agree with you, it's still
offtopic.
The idea of Java "enhancements" from an
arrogant AC does not make me feel confident
forwhateverthatsworth. nntp would make
it unavailable at work (which practices
security though saying no to everything).
garyr
umm... no. This basically indicates the way it *should* work but doesn't. says that standard vga is all you get until 3.3.4 after which it should work. the support in 3.3.4 was specifically to the retail 86C365 chip on a S3 card you would buy at the store. It is not for the OEM chip 86C366 which is customized a the board level by the OEM (IBM I assume in this case) and may or may not work. On some of these IBM boxes it works and on some it does not.
I have one that it does not work on. I assume the person that made the first post does too. It's not that I (or he) don't know how to hack the config file. redbook's setup just sets it up
to auto probe with the SVGA server and tells you to be happy with 640x480x16 if it doens't work.
Is this the same IBM that makes all the Linux noise lately?
garyr
I'm another of the folk that can't get the
ibm 300pl w/ s3 trio 3d with the 86c366
chipset to run. It would appear that there
are subtle differences in the OEM 85C366
chipsets used in these. Some are essentially
identical to the normal 85C365 trio 3d and
some have an unknown (at least to me)difference.
It's enough to make it fail but subtle enough
that debug output shows that the xserver thinks
everything is working fine.
I've sent queries to IBM on this and gotten
no response at all (surprise). I've also
scoured the usenet groups and tried all
suggestions found there - even the ones that
seem silly (cargo cult diagnostics?). no
joy.
garyr
In the next year, Mills promises, the revolution will be "hydrinoized."
The revolution will not be hydrinoized.
The revolution will not be brought to you by Blacklight Power
In 4 parts without commercial interruptions.
The revolution will not show you pictures of Dr. Randell Mills
blowing a bugle and leading a charge by Niels Bohr, Albert Einsten
and Richard Feynman to eat
hog maws confiscated from a Harlem sanctuary.
The revolution will not be hydrinoized.
with all due apologies to Gill Scott Heron
garyr
There would be forces decreasing diversity, as you say, but I think they would be statistically dwarfed by those increasing it.
To support your position there was discussion of the benefit of being heterzygous for sickle cell
anemia. I can see a large % of the population opting for this frankly. Say everyone does. You would have eliminated diversity in, maybe 0.000000000000000001% of the human genome (probably even less, but you see the point).
I just think the various forces increasing diversity will be of a much larger magnitude.
However, you now have me considering the gene for buffiness. Say I take a base model Alyssa Milano
and splice in the gene for buffiness. Maybe I'll
get Lara Croft! If anyone wants me, I'll be up in the lab.
What will we lose by giving up some of our diversity?
??? Huh? Have you ever seen anyone reasonably suggest millions of identical clones like some bioengineered wheatfield? no. In a worst case scenario diveristy would probably increase. 99.9% of characteristics would never be selected for or against and would remain essentially random. Diversity would probably increase from people splicing in a bit from here and a bit from there as well as faddish things like a zebra stiped skull that would turn out coincidentally to protect against some new plague.
Sure, you can reasonably expect a market for clones of Sarah Michelle Geller (hmmm....) but there wouldn't be more than a few thousand knockoffs before that fad faded and everyone wanted a Torvalds. Not enough of a problem to cause your doomsday scenario.
It doesn't really matter if any of us think this is a good or bad idea. It's going to be too cheap and too easy (it already is really). If 10% of the populace wants it the other 90% will not be able to stop them.
garyr
Actually, it's good advice...more recent versions of Lynx list the links inside of the frame, as well as the idiotic message the too-lazy-to-write-HTML-4 webmaster put there instead of doing the right thing
true, but... I couldn't telnet to home because
corporate firewalls ssh (I'm going to get mad at
them one of these days) so I had to telnet to
one of my domains at pair.com and use their
installed lynx to take a quick peek at idsoftware
and see if I can buy stock. I can't upgrade their
lynx - or rather an email would probably get them
to do it (they are pretty responsive) but I just
wanted to peek at the "corporate info" page and
it's not worth the hassle. I'm lazy, sue me.
The sort of "unusual but it happens" scenario that
nobody thinks about when they build pages that
just flat break if your browser doesn't support
feature 'X'. Not that I haven't done it myself
after banging my head on the desk and chanting
'No No No' at guys in ties hasn't worked...
this has nothing to do with The Topic at Hand though.
garyr
I agree with a lot of the comments that John Carmack and a few others have the best position from which to develop useful VR environments that do something someone wants done. I'd be really be interested in how/where we can get involved - from a couple of perspectives.
Would the work be inside of ID or as part of a new startup? I don't think ID is publicly traded so I can't invest in them and get filthy rich (PS: my corporate nanny firewalls their site and tunneling out and lynxing from elsewhere gives me "Eeek, No frames support. Please upgrade your web browser" --- don't do that).
I can't code at John's level, but what could less genius hackers contribute to a project like this? I'll finish learning OpenGL and even....c++ if needed. Hey, if ID were hiring I'd even go back into software QA (Oh, God! did I say that out loud!?).
Think of an open source component to the project. I can see a medium hard time convincing IDers and VC of a total open source vision for a VR project,but open sourcing big chunks and getting the community involved would make easy some things
that are otherwise hard.
Hey, he may actually read this. The "John Carmack" that made a couple of posts a half hour ago doesn't have a PGP key in his user page, but it does sound like him.
garyr
sounds almost exactly like what they claim.
It started by virtalizing DOS (text and graphics)
apps into X11 by 1991 and virtualizing win 3.1
apps by intercepting calls at the windows video/
mouse/kbd call level. I recall seeing this
at an internal demo level, could have been
later than late 1992/ early 1993. Don't remember
when we shipped it, certainly before 1995.
garyr
where are those moderator points....
oops! Here comes the Spanish inquisition with
some "hard, common-sense objective reality"
if we can assume the web box has a GPS
in it (seems reasonable) and given that it
talks he sohuld be able to just yell into
it "my daughter is starving and has no more than a
day to live". Maybe the box dropping fairies
can drop a pack of rice. Then we can get on with
the fishing lesson.
1st story in Martian Chronicles. This would
be even more fun to have the NASA guy try to
pronounce than Xut.
garyr
At the Monica. who's up for it?
I think this has been answered pretty well by othre posts, but -- it's not quite a geosynchronous orbit. If were perfectly geosynchronous then something like a hurracaine could pull on the cable and yank the entire thing down. You pull it down enough with the cable that the cable is tensioned and will resist environmental forces that would tend destabilize it. You'd still get standing waves in the cable, but I gather these are not as big a problem as they could be.
anyway, this means that the centrifugal force is larger than the gravitational force. So, if you just let go of the bottom of the structure it should be hurled away from the earth like a fanblade. In the aforementioned Red Mars Scenario terrorists blew up the anchoring satellite. Losing the ballast like that make it fall to earth regardless. Lacking an anchor point it may do less damage, but still a big mess. Megadeaths, bad press, angry investors. An all around bad day for everyone.
garyr
In addition to great strength, by changing
the orientation of the carbon rings you can
get a conductor, a diode or a semiconductor.
Extremely cool things. The 1st folks that
can make them in industrial quantities are
going to get fantastically rich.
in re falling skyhooks: couldn't you set it
up so that a disaster would cause a disconnect
at the base so that it would (in most cases)
fall up rather than down? I still wouldn't want
to be on it at the time. I recall some papers
from a few years ago also that showed skyhooks
to be fairly stable, statically and dynamically.
garyr
Amusing as it sounds that they make these rules so that kids won't see things that make Mommy sue, I've always been told by show organizers that it's a simple safety issue.
The exhibit floor is considered safe enough for adults, but not safe enough for "children". Piles of wire with rubber mat thrown over the top and duct tape at the edges, booths that could probably be knocked over if kids chasing each other slam into them, etc. Here in the USA a person 17 years and 364 days is considered likely to crawl on their hands and knees and chew on the ethernet cable, but the next day is fully adult.
It would be law suit city if they didn't do this.
This is also why they could not care less if you lie to get in. All they need is to be able to go into a court and say that they made a Good Faith effort to keep "the children" safe.
garyr
>There's some times when you just need a
>bloody command prompt to do something.
Ohhhh... if that's not inspiration for
and Eterm theme I don't know what is. Where's
that dripping gore font I used to have...
garyr
I mean really. You have to be holding
perfectly still and paying attention to
even notice these unless you are sitting
right at ground zero. I know whereof I
speak. I'm sitting right now at pretty
much exactly ground zero of the Northridge
quake and live 20 miles away. We had many
many many 5.x aftershocks while I was at work
(Northridge). you could feel them here, but
they just rattled the suspended ceiling a bit,
didn't upset all the delicate equipment in the
lab at all. Hopping 6 inches in the air bounces
the lab equipment in the entire lab more than
most of these aftershocks. A 5.x aftershock
at night when I'm home half the people wouldn't
even feel.
Now if you have a shattered building from the
previous quake that's ready to fall the rest
of the way down in the slightest breeze this
may be all it takes. I'm hoping nobody is in
those buildings. If so -- you may want to leave.
garyr
A someone already said, this won't
even wake anyone up. Anything in
taiwan that can be broken by =7
is already broken. We had a 7.1
night before last and nobody broke
a sweat over it. Earthquakes are a
highly overrated danger unless you
live in a poorly built building. Even
then it has to be a poorly built building
that's less that ~20 years old or it would
have fallen down by now.
On the other hand there are the annoying
things like my brick wall that I haven't
yet fixed from the Northridge quake and the
fact that I own a little stock in Nvidia and their
stock gets whacked everytime someone in Taiwan
sneezes.
garyr
Though I guess we've lost AC there for
good his point is not relevant - it's silly.
There is no longer a post above his that
is marked as flamebait or is at -1. So some
one ninny moderated it down. people came back
soon (probably while he was writing his tirade)
and moderated it back up. That how it's
*supposed* to work.
Step back, take a deep breath, count to 10 (in greek)
garyr
Leaving aside the "do as I say not as I do" arguments (valid as they are) this is only really in that they say
DON'T try to break into computers
instead of
DON'T try to break into other people's computers
Trying to break into your own computer
is just educational. If it had been proposed
to whatever non technical person wrote this
they probably would have even modified it thus.
second they say essentially "do use chat rooms" and then followup with things not to do there.
This is, IMNSHO, bad advice. Chat room are basically a toilet. Always have been and I don't know a way to fix them. I have small children and let them do most anything they want on the net (no net.nanny crap) but they don't need to know IRC exists. The chat areas on the game servers like battlenet and WON are bad enough, though the kids don't hang out there - they play games.
IRC is where the (very few) pederasts lurk and all the other things parents worry about tend to occur. Put that against the fact that 99.99% of everything there is crap and you've got it. They can chat with their friends via things like ICQ that are less public. IRC is occasionally useful enough for an adult or older kid to wade through the "what sex RU" crap that invades even #perl or #c++ - or even for teens to learn to flirt in a semi-safe place (A 16 year old that can be lured by a loony on IRC has more fundamental problems than IRC itself). For the age range these pages are aimed for it is just lose/lose.
Alright I found one more that boils me. On the
"reckless driving" page they say
Lots of kids know enough about computers to hack into big networks, but so what?
AHHHHHHHG! I knew there had to be something here that would 'out' them as the totally freaking stupid DOJ we know and love.
garyr
If you accept Lawrence's taxonomy (which
like all such is just a piece of the
picture) then Matrix is in the classic
Gibson mold witha twist, like Snow Crash.