Spurious premise. If you're hiring people to do your dirty work, you're a government. Saddam's mistake was in trying to do it in house. Once he'd stopped buying American, he was struck off of the Christmas card list, and it was all down hill from there. Heck, even North Korea could still get themselves back in the game by employing Haliburton to improve their "dissident processing installations"
Relevant to this debate, Mr Gorman's mistake was in doing this as an academic project on a shoe-string budget. If he'd enlisted a Senator to swing a billion dollar pork barrel contract for him, he'd have become a pillar of society.
Oh, I agree that SCO doesn't have a case against any linux distributor, but that doesn't mean that they won't sue them. Given that they have no other source of income, their alternative is to meekly admit defeat, or (even more unlikely) actually do some real work.
Consider, for example, what would happen if they went for Mandrake. Could Mandrake afford to fight them? I doubt it, they're living hand to mouth. They can either fight it and go into Chapter 11, pay extortionate terms and... go into Chapter 11, or... cut a deal in which they don't contest, in return for an agreement from SCO to ask for token damages.
Then SCO goes after SuSE and Red Hat, waving their precedent.
Oh, it's worst case, I know, and I'd really rather not be proved right on this one. Let's hope IBM mashes them into paste, and gets awarded their houses and first born sons in settlement.
While we're at it, remember that "No person shall [...] offer to the public [or] provide [...] any technology [...] or part thereof that is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under [Title 17]."
Citizen, remain at your console while the Secret Service analyzes the case against you and decides your guilt and an appropriate punishment.
We know this can already be done, so it's now an implementation problem.
"newly information hostile environment"? All I'm reading here is that this project is being stifled, not that the sources it draws on are. Also, if they're available in the USA, they're almost certainly available outside the USA. Go ahead, firewall.com and.org from the rest of the world.
If Gorman is a "typical grad student", he probably worked two hours a day on this, tops, and spent the rest surfing for porn. I'm not saying you did, just that I've been there as well, and it wasn't exactly the most strenuous work environment I've ever been in.
Achmed the Attacker doesn't have to document his solution. Nor does he even have to replicate Gorman's. He just has to implement a "good enough" kludge, and can build on it over time while the lights go off on Wall Street.
Saddam bin Laden (or whatever) has a hell of a lot more money available than a grad student, and he only needs to fund one person to do this.
On the bright side, the typical Achmed the Attacker seems to be pretty handy with an AK or RPG, but he doesn't appear to be the sharpest implement in Allah's toolbox. But then again, that's what we were saying about India and China a few years before we started outsourcing all of our tech work there.
I still maintain that the best strategy (mid to long term) is to actually start acting like the good guys instead of just blowing shit up all over the planet and then pretending to be amazed that the natives don't understand that it was for their own good. Perhaps if we spent a little less on security and a little more on aid, our kids won't have to reap the legacy of Bush's $500 billion dollar a year and rising defence budget, and all those Men In Black who pop out of the woodwork at times like this can take early retirement and go fishing. Wouldn't that be a nice world?
The difference is that businesses patriotically keep it proprietary, and only sell it to rich terrorists. This guy is giving poor terrorists a chance. That's a downright Un American Activity.
>Even if IBM loses, and loses big, the rest of us won't notice
You're joking right? If SCO wins this by bamboozling a court with smoke and mirrors, they'll emerge rampant and engorged with IBM cash. Want to bet that they won't go after Red Hat and SuSE next? How about anyone manufacturing an embedded linux product? How about cease-and-desisting all sites hosting linux distros, and suing a few just to make the point? Once the big guys are gone and the precedents have been set, they can switch from throwing teams of lawyers against one target to throwing groups of victims to each lawyer they have. And they have a lot of lawyers.
In fact, as far as I can determine SCO is a firm of lawyers. Suing people is what they do. It's all that they do. If IBM can't crush them, god help the rest of us.
>You generally use vector fonts in HTML (such as Truetype Arial and Times).
Sure, go ahead and specify those fonts. Is my Lynx text mode console browser going to render them? What you mean is that it should look as you intended on (e.g.) IE 6.0.2800.1106.xpsp2.030422-1633 on XP Home build 2002 SP1 English with the exact fonts that you had on your machine when you created it.
>>US copyright was intended to protect authors from publishers
>That is VERY incorrect.
Sez you. Sez I, it's absolutely correct, as at the time of writing publishers themselves provided the only real threat to works placed into the public domain (through publishing). Plagiarism is predicated on the work being published, so is a secondary concern.
Also, I believe you're responding to a different post about the Czech rights. I'm completely in agreement with you, and have cited Berne convention article 8 copiously in this topic!
And unfortunately must give up some of our rights to buy security, or the terrorists will have already won. As we know, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY.
And it goes without saying - although it's been said many, many times recently by our dear Commander In Chief - that WAR IS PEACE.
We must ignore those who would warn us against this, and march into the brave new world of strictly one sided Total Information Awareness with flags waving and proudly chanting the pledge of subservience. As Jeb would no doubt tell us, Big Brother knows best.
For Bonjela, I think, although as always, I had the TV muted to cut out the worst of the psychotronic radiation. Anyway, the theme of the ad appeared to be that Bonjela can be used to cure mouth ulcers, and that it does so by by killing the tiny spikey demon person that lives inside them and causes you pain.
So we've known about bacteria since the seventeenth century, but we still believe - in a very real and fiduciarily binding sense - that Joe Lowest Common Denominator is more comfortable believing that mouth pain is caused by little demons. Specifically little spiney ones who dropped out of spiny demon mime school.
And you wonder why AMD gave up on trying to explain why MHz don't matter? I'm surprised they don't market their chips based on multiples of Imp Power.
Buy The New Efreet Chip! Now With the Power of Ten Genies, All Doing Your Bidding!
>There's a lot of confusion out there regarding the difference between fast temporary storage (memory) and slower long term storage (hard drive space) what what they're both used for.
Funny, I've never had a problem:
Processor speed: Determines how fast you can generally run one task.
RAM: Determined how many tasks you can generally run at once without slowing down.
Hard drive: Determined much porn and stolen music you can store.
>you can have 1 developer using Perl, another using C#. Try that in Java. Try any cross language development in Java.
Well, who didn't read the label before applying? Java is any object code that passes JVM validation, not the source code, which a little lawsuit from Sun should have made clear. See "about 165 different systems" that produce Java object code.
Töpfer Harry auf das Deutsch,
nicht tschechisches bekanntgegeben durch Rogerborb auf Tue Juli 08, 10:30 morgens
von der Fremdschlüsselabteilung.
Die amtliche Übersetzung des Töpfers Harry und des Auftrages des Phoenix in Deutschen wird festgelegt, um Regale an November 8 zu schlagen. Aber am auf-Deutschaufstellungsort Harry (ist hier Englisch Googles), ist eine Gemeinschaft entstanden, um eine verteilte Übersetzung durchzuführen. Jeder Freiwilliger arbeitet auf fünf Seiten, mit dem Hilfsmittel eines Töpfer-spezifischen Wörterbuches, und nach dem Drehen in eine deutsche Version, liest Arbeiten über die Prosa zum Sicherstellen es glatt. In einer ohne Bezugbemühung einige Schoolboys, die eine tschechische Übersetzung taten und bekanntgegeben ihm zu einem privaten website von Albatros geklagt worden sind, der tschechische Verlag, der die amtliche Übersetzung heraus im Februar hat. Aussehen wie Harry zerquetscht mehr als das Hulk.
OH- und bitte geben nicht Räuber bekannt, es ist noch zu früh:),
(C) 2003 Rogerborg. You may distribute or sell this content without restriction. Oh yeah? Well fuck Slashdot. Fuck them up their stupid asses. Who gives a shit about who created the content? I translated it, so I own it now. Yeah.
Get the point? By your smug mealy mouthed editorial slant shall we judge you.
Yes, fair enough. Say, how about I start running Slashdot through Babelfish English-to-whatever, and then distribute the translated content? Sounds fair enough, right? They couldn't possibly object to that.
>What I want to know is how can ANYONE think that the publisher asserting their rights in this situation is a bad thing?
Um, because copyright laws are intended to protect creators, not publishers. If you meant author, then I agree absolutely, but please get the distinction clear. Publishers do (or should) license rights to publish from creators, they shouldn't control them. The "work for hire" fiasco is partly responsible for getting the music industry into its present abominable state, where you can practically see the hands sticking up the backs of the dancing meat puppets.
>Most (it used to be all) fansubbers sub stuff that hasn't been licensed in the state where the fansubbers is living.(usually usa) Harry Potter is licensed and even a publishing date is availiable.
That's a difference if and only if it effects any commercial harm clause of fair use protection that you might happen to enjoy in that territory. If a rights owner had gone many years without doing a translation, it might help, but you'd really better speak to a (local!) IP lawyer before making the assumption.
> wonder where exactly they draw the line for the copyright. Is it okay to call it an "unofficial translation". Writing a parody based on the original book is legal in most countries
Parody is a defence that you may or may not be allowed to offer depending on your local laws. This doesn't enjoy even that tenuous protection, and these people will get rightly bitchslapped under Berne convention article 8.
Yes, you read that right. If you want to make a translation for your own use, that's technically infringement and you have to argue it with your local IP cops under any fair use protections you may happen to enjoy.
Making a complete translation with the express intent of publishing it while the rights owner is preparing to sell her work, that puts you into deep Scheiße.
You want to argue fair use protection? Fine, it's arguably fair use to make a translation of parts of the work for your own or strictly limited academic use. Making a full translation of the whole work with the explicit intent to distribute it, while the rights owner is trying to sell her own version, is blatant violation. Mealy mouthed lawyerese that each individual translator is protected by fair use is dissembling of the most pedantic kind. The intent to violate is clear.
And if he'd stayed a farmer for the whole of Ep4, SWG might have an excuse for not having any content beyond hunting womp rats and sewing buttons. As I recall though, he started having, you know, adventures pretty quickly.
I've seen the excuse that high level (or karma or experience or midichlorian or call it what you like) players will begin to create content for noobs soon. Well, spank my ass and call me a nerf herder, but don't they need tools to do that? I mean building powers, starcraft, the ability to assign ranks, to actually create content, rather than just sitting around in cantinas making "Whoosh, zap-zap-zap" sounds.
>There are more mission types, *MUCH* more. Even at the mission terminals you can do delivery mission. Which are basic pick this up here and drop it off there
Wow, you're saying that there are two mission types! That reviewer was an asshat, for not mentioning them!
Of course, the reviewers that have mentioned them say they are interminably boring, pointless, and buggy. Like, you hit autorun, go and eat lunch, come back 45 minutes later, and find contact you were supposed to meet stuck in a wall and unable to interact.
Whoop. De. Doo. All this, and you only have to pay $15 a month for them to fix it.
Slashdot Mirror
Spurious premise. If you're hiring people to do your dirty work, you're a government. Saddam's mistake was in trying to do it in house. Once he'd stopped buying American, he was struck off of the Christmas card list, and it was all down hill from there. Heck, even North Korea could still get themselves back in the game by employing Haliburton to improve their "dissident processing installations"
Relevant to this debate, Mr Gorman's mistake was in doing this as an academic project on a shoe-string budget. If he'd enlisted a Senator to swing a billion dollar pork barrel contract for him, he'd have become a pillar of society.
Oh, I agree that SCO doesn't have a case against any linux distributor, but that doesn't mean that they won't sue them. Given that they have no other source of income, their alternative is to meekly admit defeat, or (even more unlikely) actually do some real work.
Consider, for example, what would happen if they went for Mandrake. Could Mandrake afford to fight them? I doubt it, they're living hand to mouth. They can either fight it and go into Chapter 11, pay extortionate terms and... go into Chapter 11, or... cut a deal in which they don't contest, in return for an agreement from SCO to ask for token damages.
Then SCO goes after SuSE and Red Hat, waving their precedent.
Oh, it's worst case, I know, and I'd really rather not be proved right on this one. Let's hope IBM mashes them into paste, and gets awarded their houses and first born sons in settlement.
> You could change the expiration on the temporary cookie they give you to get perminent access. Of course, this would be illegal.
I was winding myself up to sneer, but then I realized that this would be [circumventing] a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under [Title 17].
While we're at it, remember that "No person shall [...] offer to the public [or] provide [...] any technology [...] or part thereof that is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under [Title 17]."
Citizen, remain at your console while the Secret Service analyzes the case against you and decides your guilt and an appropriate punishment.
Spurious assumption. Here's the differences:
On the bright side, the typical Achmed the Attacker seems to be pretty handy with an AK or RPG, but he doesn't appear to be the sharpest implement in Allah's toolbox. But then again, that's what we were saying about India and China a few years before we started outsourcing all of our tech work there.
I still maintain that the best strategy (mid to long term) is to actually start acting like the good guys instead of just blowing shit up all over the planet and then pretending to be amazed that the natives don't understand that it was for their own good. Perhaps if we spent a little less on security and a little more on aid, our kids won't have to reap the legacy of Bush's $500 billion dollar a year and rising defence budget, and all those Men In Black who pop out of the woodwork at times like this can take early retirement and go fishing. Wouldn't that be a nice world?
The difference is that businesses patriotically keep it proprietary, and only sell it to rich terrorists. This guy is giving poor terrorists a chance. That's a downright Un American Activity.
>Even if IBM loses, and loses big, the rest of us won't notice
You're joking right? If SCO wins this by bamboozling a court with smoke and mirrors, they'll emerge rampant and engorged with IBM cash. Want to bet that they won't go after Red Hat and SuSE next? How about anyone manufacturing an embedded linux product? How about cease-and-desisting all sites hosting linux distros, and suing a few just to make the point? Once the big guys are gone and the precedents have been set, they can switch from throwing teams of lawyers against one target to throwing groups of victims to each lawyer they have. And they have a lot of lawyers.
In fact, as far as I can determine SCO is a firm of lawyers. Suing people is what they do. It's all that they do. If IBM can't crush them, god help the rest of us.
>You generally use vector fonts in HTML (such as Truetype Arial and Times).
Sure, go ahead and specify those fonts. Is my Lynx text mode console browser going to render them? What you mean is that it should look as you intended on (e.g.) IE 6.0.2800.1106.xpsp2.030422-1633 on XP Home build 2002 SP1 English with the exact fonts that you had on your machine when you created it.
>>US copyright was intended to protect authors from publishers
>That is VERY incorrect.
Sez you. Sez I, it's absolutely correct, as at the time of writing publishers themselves provided the only real threat to works placed into the public domain (through publishing). Plagiarism is predicated on the work being published, so is a secondary concern.
Also, I believe you're responding to a different post about the Czech rights. I'm completely in agreement with you, and have cited Berne convention article 8 copiously in this topic!
After all, IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH.
And unfortunately must give up some of our rights to buy security, or the terrorists will have already won. As we know, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY.
And it goes without saying - although it's been said many, many times recently by our dear Commander In Chief - that WAR IS PEACE.
We must ignore those who would warn us against this, and march into the brave new world of strictly one sided Total Information Awareness with flags waving and proudly chanting the pledge of subservience. As Jeb would no doubt tell us, Big Brother knows best.
For Bonjela, I think, although as always, I had the TV muted to cut out the worst of the psychotronic radiation. Anyway, the theme of the ad appeared to be that Bonjela can be used to cure mouth ulcers, and that it does so by by killing the tiny spikey demon person that lives inside them and causes you pain.
So we've known about bacteria since the seventeenth century, but we still believe - in a very real and fiduciarily binding sense - that Joe Lowest Common Denominator is more comfortable believing that mouth pain is caused by little demons. Specifically little spiney ones who dropped out of spiny demon mime school.
And you wonder why AMD gave up on trying to explain why MHz don't matter? I'm surprised they don't market their chips based on multiples of Imp Power.
Buy The New Efreet Chip! Now With the Power of Ten Genies, All Doing Your Bidding!
The guy who got through out of my university, who shouted (I swear this is true) "You can't throw me out! I'm a wizard!"
>There's a lot of confusion out there regarding the difference between fast temporary storage (memory) and slower long term storage (hard drive space) what what they're both used for.
Funny, I've never had a problem:
Even my mother can understand that!
>let them get outsourced to India. After a year or two, they will beg for domestic support again.
Beg, yes. Pay another 5% on their purchases, no.
>you can have 1 developer using Perl, another using C#. Try that in Java. Try any cross language development in Java.
Well, who didn't read the label before applying? Java is any object code that passes JVM validation, not the source code, which a little lawsuit from Sun should have made clear. See "about 165 different systems" that produce Java object code.
>Copyright law is supposed to protect the holder of the copyright, whether that be th eoriginal creator, RIAA member companies or the publisher.
Depends on the territory. In the US, the intent is explicit: To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;. I'll be explicit; US copyright was intended to protect authors from publishers, from having their work simply taken and copied without their permission. It's a sad state of affairs when we assume that publishers own the rights.
>Musicians are not work for hire simply because the RIAA member companies pay them advances on future royalties
Where did I say or imply that? Perhaps you should do some research.
nicht tschechisches bekanntgegeben durch Rogerborb auf Tue Juli 08, 10:30 morgens
von der Fremdschlüsselabteilung.
Die amtliche Übersetzung des Töpfers Harry und des Auftrages des Phoenix in Deutschen wird festgelegt, um Regale an November 8 zu schlagen. Aber am auf-Deutschaufstellungsort Harry (ist hier Englisch Googles), ist eine Gemeinschaft entstanden, um eine verteilte Übersetzung durchzuführen. Jeder Freiwilliger arbeitet auf fünf Seiten, mit dem Hilfsmittel eines Töpfer-spezifischen Wörterbuches, und nach dem Drehen in eine deutsche Version, liest Arbeiten über die Prosa zum Sicherstellen es glatt. In einer ohne Bezugbemühung einige Schoolboys, die eine tschechische Übersetzung taten und bekanntgegeben ihm zu einem privaten website von Albatros geklagt worden sind, der tschechische Verlag, der die amtliche Übersetzung heraus im Februar hat. Aussehen wie Harry zerquetscht mehr als das Hulk.
OH- und bitte geben nicht Räuber bekannt, es ist noch zu früh:),
(C) 2003 Rogerborg. You may distribute or sell this content without restriction. Oh yeah? Well fuck Slashdot. Fuck them up their stupid asses. Who gives a shit about who created the content? I translated it, so I own it now. Yeah.
Get the point? By your smug mealy mouthed editorial slant shall we judge you.
Yes, fair enough. Say, how about I start running Slashdot through Babelfish English-to-whatever, and then distribute the translated content? Sounds fair enough, right? They couldn't possibly object to that.
>What I want to know is how can ANYONE think that the publisher asserting their rights in this situation is a bad thing?
Um, because copyright laws are intended to protect creators, not publishers. If you meant author, then I agree absolutely, but please get the distinction clear. Publishers do (or should) license rights to publish from creators, they shouldn't control them. The "work for hire" fiasco is partly responsible for getting the music industry into its present abominable state, where you can practically see the hands sticking up the backs of the dancing meat puppets.
>Most (it used to be all) fansubbers sub stuff that hasn't been licensed in the state where the fansubbers is living.(usually usa) Harry Potter is licensed and even a publishing date is availiable.
That's a difference if and only if it effects any commercial harm clause of fair use protection that you might happen to enjoy in that territory. If a rights owner had gone many years without doing a translation, it might help, but you'd really better speak to a (local!) IP lawyer before making the assumption.
> wonder where exactly they draw the line for the copyright. Is it okay to call it an "unofficial translation". Writing a parody based on the original book is legal in most countries
Parody is a defence that you may or may not be allowed to offer depending on your local laws. This doesn't enjoy even that tenuous protection, and these people will get rightly bitchslapped under Berne convention article 8.
>I'd be very interested to know what the legal status of translations in copyright law is
The Berne convention is crystal clear on this: Authors of literary and artistic works protected by this Convention shall enjoy the exclusive right of making and of authorizing the translation of their works throughout the term of protection of their rights in the original works.
Yes, you read that right. If you want to make a translation for your own use, that's technically infringement and you have to argue it with your local IP cops under any fair use protections you may happen to enjoy.
Making a complete translation with the express intent of publishing it while the rights owner is preparing to sell her work, that puts you into deep Scheiße.
This is Germany. They probably meant boweling. "Ya, Hermione, essen Sie meine Scheiße!"
BERNE CONVENTION FOR THE PROTECTION OF LITERARY AND ARTISTIC WORKS (Paris Text 1971)
Article 8
Authors of literary and artistic works protected by this Convention shall enjoy the exclusive right of making and of authorizing the translation of their works throughout the term of protection of their rights in the original works.
You want to argue fair use protection? Fine, it's arguably fair use to make a translation of parts of the work for your own or strictly limited academic use. Making a full translation of the whole work with the explicit intent to distribute it, while the rights owner is trying to sell her own version, is blatant violation. Mealy mouthed lawyerese that each individual translator is protected by fair use is dissembling of the most pedantic kind. The intent to violate is clear.
Discuss.
And if he'd stayed a farmer for the whole of Ep4, SWG might have an excuse for not having any content beyond hunting womp rats and sewing buttons. As I recall though, he started having, you know, adventures pretty quickly.
I've seen the excuse that high level (or karma or experience or midichlorian or call it what you like) players will begin to create content for noobs soon. Well, spank my ass and call me a nerf herder, but don't they need tools to do that? I mean building powers, starcraft, the ability to assign ranks, to actually create content, rather than just sitting around in cantinas making "Whoosh, zap-zap-zap" sounds.
>There are more mission types, *MUCH* more. Even at the mission terminals you can do delivery mission. Which are basic pick this up here and drop it off there
Wow, you're saying that there are two mission types! That reviewer was an asshat, for not mentioning them!
Of course, the reviewers that have mentioned them say they are interminably boring, pointless, and buggy. Like, you hit autorun, go and eat lunch, come back 45 minutes later, and find contact you were supposed to meet stuck in a wall and unable to interact.
Whoop. De. Doo. All this, and you only have to pay $15 a month for them to fix it.