Wrong. It breaks down like the poster before said -- People who buy games will buy them. People who infringe will download them, regardless of the time involved.
Regardless of the time invlovled ?, thats absurd eveyone has their limit as to how much time they would be willing to spend.
Back when everyone was rocking 2400bps that didn't stop games from getting downloaded for 6 hours.
How many people were doing this ? compare with how many people were buying games. The issue is that the ease of p2p makes infringing tempting to people who would otherwise buy the game. File size can be an issue to people who like video games but aren't infringing out of principle.
Than don't buy the game, jackass. Problem solved. If you pay them to fuck you, they are going to keep fucking you.
Well that was kind of my point, why do gamers put up with such bad treatment from developers and publishers ?. Thanks for the constructive comment though.
Most people don't leave their computer on all the time downloading games off p2p networks. Even the people who download music might well be put off by a 4 GB download, a 100 GB download would definitely decrease those who might be tempted to download it instead of buying it (serious pirate or not).
Most "pirates" who download in the kind of numbers that you are talking about it are doing not because they want to play this game or listen to that album, they do it because they can, they enjoy collecting stuff they shouldn't have, and they enjoy sticking it to the man. These people would be unlikely to buy all the stuff they download (even if they could afford it), game devs only consider these people to be part of the problem in so far as they make it easier for your average consumer to pirate a game.
I think your missing the point though, "pirates" that devote terrabytes to storing games and other copyrighted media are not going to be put off by file size, DRM, potential fines or anything else.
Your average gamer might well decide to go out and buy a game rather than download a 4 gig game.
Serious point though, imagine buying a DVD and sitting down to watch it (saturday night or whenever) and not being able to because first it needs to connect to a authentification server which isn't working properly.
No consumer should have to put up with this ridiculous treatment. The fact that gamers do is just one symptom of how strange the game industry is. Valve are definitely one of the best examples of this, still no one can exaplain to me the reason for the original false start september 2003 HL2 release date. Why is it that Gabe Newell, the team leader, didn't know that the game was no where near being finished when he annouced that date ?. Why did he go on to make a deal with ATI to include HL2 with their video cards when those cards would be a year out of date by the time of the games' eventual release ?.
Any other industry and people wouldn't put up with such asshatery, why us gamers do I don't know.
And that has nothing to do with the steam authentication process. So the ultimate solution to piracy is to use Really Big textures?
Not as silly as it sounds, a lot of developers are now including texture files that are more detailed than even current high end GFX hardware can display in full detail. Not only does this mean that the visual quality will increase with new hardware and the game won't look so dated but it also increases the file size discouraging piracy.
We have at the moment we have kind of reached a plateau where everyday office desktop use rarely stretches the fastest cpu's.
The cpus in question are being developed for the areas of computing where more power is needed, primarly servers, games, and media work (video in particular). These are areas where people are willing to throw in multithreading if it increases performance despite the complexity it also brings.
We might not see these cpus in desktops any time soon, it depends on how proccessor intensive longhorn is.
I can see how this is good for gamers, but normal office use?
I'm not even sure gamers will notice the difference at the moment, how many games are multithreaded these days ?. Iam sure some games do take adavantage of it if its there but only to a small degree. The vast majority of games today are designed to be played on single cpu computers (this includes the current consoles).
Of course both the ps3 and xbox next make use of parrellism so in another year or two almost all games will probaby run better on dual core/cpu machines.
This is because your average customer of this software and equipment doesn't realize exactly what it can do. I think there is going to be a backlash when people figure out that all DRM means to them is the inability to play a media file. I'm still waiting to hear about an actual feature or benefit this gives to the end user.
I'm probably just rehashing what has been said before but it is difficult to see how digital piracy can be eliminated.
The only way is for music and video to be safe digitally is if non drm formats don't exist. As long as they do it will always be trivial to convert between the two. Even if the conversion process is difficult, you only need to do it once.
I have faith that as long as non drm formats are legal consumers will (after trial and error) favour the format that "just works" and never causes any hassles.
But, if Sony still is adamant about using the Cell chip, then it's going to be at least another few months before they can even have development kits ready for developers to begin learning the new architecture on. In that case, don't expect to see "playable" PS3 units at E3 this year.
Personally I hate the fact that games are getting shorter, it is especially noticeable with FPS's. Unreal, Half Life (1), quake 2, these games all offered great value for money single player experiences.
However devs are responding to the market, there was a survery that found out that something like 75% of all games sont get completed, which is ridiculous compared to other media like films and books.
And thus begins the 12 month wankfest over which system is superior, based from debates online from people who have only seen press photos of the system in question and have never played it. I hate console -release years on my gaming forums.
It won't stop in 12 months time. It never has before.
Just for the record the SNES was superior to the Mega Drive (Genesis for you yanks).
I'd take anything I see with a grain of salt, knowing that these consoles were probably go through some big changes between E3 and market.
Bearing in mind that Microsoft have already delivered dev kits they can't be far from the finished product. Chances are sony and microsoft will release within six months of each other, microsoft will probably wait for sony and then release shortly afterwards, expect both consoles to be going head to head at christmas. Playable showcases of both the xbox next and ps3 arent too unlikely, both of them must be pretty close to final product.
And people like you, arrogant sci-fi tasters of the finest, could do the least bit to admit that Enterprise is better than 2/3 of the complete filth that is television today.
That still isn't very good though is it ?, especially considering the huge amount of television availiable today. For your sake I hope you eventually become a bit more discerning about the quality of media that you subject yourself to.
For me the most depressing thing about enterprise is how it rips off all the other series without adding anything new. I have seen it all before unfortunately, a 15 - 20 year break at minimum is needed IMHO (some more movies would be ok though).
It's like trusting a redneck buffoon with the presidency of the United States...oh wait...
This illustrates how good his pr people are. This guy is not a redneck, he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, he went to ivy league schools (not that he seems to have learned much from them). How many rednecks have a middle name like Walker ?.
Maybe they will add OGG-support now, just to be sure they don't make the same mistake twice and miss the boat again.
Love the optimism but I can't see OGG becoming that popular anytime soon. You really need the next iPod to support it then maybe it will gain more acceptance.
Its not surpising that sony took an anti mp3 stance, there are two obvious reasons.
They had been pushing mini disc since the mid 90's as the replacement for the walkman, a few years before the mp3 format surfaced.
They also own a lot of music labels as well as being a publisher themselves. The implied link with piracy that mp3 has always had (and still does) meant it would be very difficult for sony to get behind it. Imagine a sony owned label suing a pirate for having an illegal mp3 on their sony mp3 player, not that there is anything technically wrong with that scenario, it just looks like sony are sending out mixed messages.
Sony is whats known as a vertically integrated company, they make music and films, they also make the hifi's and televisions that you listen and watch with.
Considering how wide sony's product line is I am surprised the company doesn't run into more of these problems. It reminds me of fox news suing the fox channel for alledgedly slandering them in an episode of the simpsons. It was eventually stopped by rupert murdock himself, he quite sensibly decided it was silly for two companies he owns to sue each other. I am surprised this doesn't happen more often in the world of multi national conglomerates.
If much of these projected technologies come to be, then Social Security will fail long before 2031. That projection relies on an increase in lifespan of only seven years in the next seven decades!! Image what happens when the baby boomers come to use Social security in 2018, and then suddenly people stop dying nearly so fast as they do now...
I though we were all gonna die of heart disease and stuff like that...
I think she appeals to boys who're terrified of women, and would prefer their female attributes (hips and breasts) weren't too prominent. And, of course, the closet fudgepackers, of which there seems to be quite a few in the geek crowd.
Homophobic comments aside, I agree with you and am gald that someone else thinks the same as me.
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Wrong. It breaks down like the poster before said -- People who buy games will buy them. People who infringe will download them, regardless of the time involved.
Regardless of the time invlovled ?, thats absurd eveyone has their limit as to how much time they would be willing to spend.
Back when everyone was rocking 2400bps that didn't stop games from getting downloaded for 6 hours.
How many people were doing this ? compare with how many people were buying games. The issue is that the ease of p2p makes infringing tempting to people who would otherwise buy the game. File size can be an issue to people who like video games but aren't infringing out of principle.
Than don't buy the game, jackass. Problem solved. If you pay them to fuck you, they are going to keep fucking you.
Well that was kind of my point, why do gamers put up with such bad treatment from developers and publishers ?. Thanks for the constructive comment though.
Most people don't leave their computer on all the time downloading games off p2p networks. Even the people who download music might well be put off by a 4 GB download, a 100 GB download would definitely decrease those who might be tempted to download it instead of buying it (serious pirate or not).
Most "pirates" who download in the kind of numbers that you are talking about it are doing not because they want to play this game or listen to that album, they do it because they can, they enjoy collecting stuff they shouldn't have, and they enjoy sticking it to the man. These people would be unlikely to buy all the stuff they download (even if they could afford it), game devs only consider these people to be part of the problem in so far as they make it easier for your average consumer to pirate a game.
3-4 gigs, no, 10GB or more ?, maybe.
I think your missing the point though, "pirates" that devote terrabytes to storing games and other copyrighted media are not going to be put off by file size, DRM, potential fines or anything else.
Your average gamer might well decide to go out and buy a game rather than download a 4 gig game.
Serious point though, imagine buying a DVD and sitting down to watch it (saturday night or whenever) and not being able to because first it needs to connect to a authentification server which isn't working properly.
No consumer should have to put up with this ridiculous treatment. The fact that gamers do is just one symptom of how strange the game industry is. Valve are definitely one of the best examples of this, still no one can exaplain to me the reason for the original false start september 2003 HL2 release date. Why is it that Gabe Newell, the team leader, didn't know that the game was no where near being finished when he annouced that date ?. Why did he go on to make a deal with ATI to include HL2 with their video cards when those cards would be a year out of date by the time of the games' eventual release ?.
Any other industry and people wouldn't put up with such asshatery, why us gamers do I don't know.
And that has nothing to do with the steam authentication process. So the ultimate solution to piracy is to use Really Big textures?
Not as silly as it sounds, a lot of developers are now including texture files that are more detailed than even current high end GFX hardware can display in full detail. Not only does this mean that the visual quality will increase with new hardware and the game won't look so dated but it also increases the file size discouraging piracy.
And you'll pirate Half-Life 3, and Half-Life 3's authentication system will be even worse for legitimate users? That makes a lot of sense, sure thing.
So the fact that he has even though about piracy means that he deserves restrictive DRM ?.
Nice police state there buddy.
Your right that GPU's are ahead of CPU's but games need to be written to take full advantage of dual cores/cpus. At the moment they are not.
We have at the moment we have kind of reached a plateau where everyday office desktop use rarely stretches the fastest cpu's.
The cpus in question are being developed for the areas of computing where more power is needed, primarly servers, games, and media work (video in particular). These are areas where people are willing to throw in multithreading if it increases performance despite the complexity it also brings.
We might not see these cpus in desktops any time soon, it depends on how proccessor intensive longhorn is.
I can see how this is good for gamers, but normal office use?
I'm not even sure gamers will notice the difference at the moment, how many games are multithreaded these days ?. Iam sure some games do take adavantage of it if its there but only to a small degree. The vast majority of games today are designed to be played on single cpu computers (this includes the current consoles).
Of course both the ps3 and xbox next make use of parrellism so in another year or two almost all games will probaby run better on dual core/cpu machines.
Seriously though where is the windows version ? /running winxp and likes it.... //likes half life 2...
This is because your average customer of this software and equipment doesn't realize exactly what it can do. I think there is going to be a backlash when people figure out that all DRM means to them is the inability to play a media file. I'm still waiting to hear about an actual feature or benefit this gives to the end user.
I'm probably just rehashing what has been said before but it is difficult to see how digital piracy can be eliminated.
The only way is for music and video to be safe digitally is if non drm formats don't exist. As long as they do it will always be trivial to convert between the two. Even if the conversion process is difficult, you only need to do it once.
I have faith that as long as non drm formats are legal consumers will (after trial and error) favour the format that "just works" and never causes any hassles.
Is this an open source version of a Volvo ? thats pretty sweet... /didnt RTFA
But, if Sony still is adamant about using the Cell chip, then it's going to be at least another few months before they can even have development kits ready for developers to begin learning the new architecture on. In that case, don't expect to see "playable" PS3 units at E3 this year.
Not even playable tech demos ?
Personally I hate the fact that games are getting shorter, it is especially noticeable with FPS's. Unreal, Half Life (1), quake 2, these games all offered great value for money single player experiences.
However devs are responding to the market, there was a survery that found out that something like 75% of all games sont get completed, which is ridiculous compared to other media like films and books.
And thus begins the 12 month wankfest over which system is superior, based from debates online from people who have only seen press photos of the system in question and have never played it. I hate console -release years on my gaming forums.
It won't stop in 12 months time. It never has before.
Just for the record the SNES was superior to the Mega Drive (Genesis for you yanks).
I'd take anything I see with a grain of salt, knowing that these consoles were probably go through some big changes between E3 and market.
Bearing in mind that Microsoft have already delivered dev kits they can't be far from the finished product. Chances are sony and microsoft will release within six months of each other, microsoft will probably wait for sony and then release shortly afterwards, expect both consoles to be going head to head at christmas. Playable showcases of both the xbox next and ps3 arent too unlikely, both of them must be pretty close to final product.
And people like you, arrogant sci-fi tasters of the finest, could do the least bit to admit that Enterprise is better than 2/3 of the complete filth that is television today.
That still isn't very good though is it ?, especially considering the huge amount of television availiable today. For your sake I hope you eventually become a bit more discerning about the quality of media that you subject yourself to.
For me the most depressing thing about enterprise is how it rips off all the other series without adding anything new. I have seen it all before unfortunately, a 15 - 20 year break at minimum is needed IMHO (some more movies would be ok though).
Theres a lot to be said for people who get things done. These are the people who really succeed in life.
Slashdot isn't a news site, its more of an aggregator of tech related stories, as such limited analysis by the submitter is appropriate.
It's like trusting a redneck buffoon with the presidency of the United States...oh wait...
This illustrates how good his pr people are. This guy is not a redneck, he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, he went to ivy league schools (not that he seems to have learned much from them). How many rednecks have a middle name like Walker ?.
Maybe they will add OGG-support now, just to be sure they don't make the same mistake twice and miss the boat again.
Love the optimism but I can't see OGG becoming that popular anytime soon. You really need the next iPod to support it then maybe it will gain more acceptance.
Its not surpising that sony took an anti mp3 stance, there are two obvious reasons.
They had been pushing mini disc since the mid 90's as the replacement for the walkman, a few years before the mp3 format surfaced.
They also own a lot of music labels as well as being a publisher themselves. The implied link with piracy that mp3 has always had (and still does) meant it would be very difficult for sony to get behind it. Imagine a sony owned label suing a pirate for having an illegal mp3 on their sony mp3 player, not that there is anything technically wrong with that scenario, it just looks like sony are sending out mixed messages.
Sony is whats known as a vertically integrated company, they make music and films, they also make the hifi's and televisions that you listen and watch with.
Considering how wide sony's product line is I am surprised the company doesn't run into more of these problems. It reminds me of fox news suing the fox channel for alledgedly slandering them in an episode of the simpsons. It was eventually stopped by rupert murdock himself, he quite sensibly decided it was silly for two companies he owns to sue each other. I am surprised this doesn't happen more often in the world of multi national conglomerates.
If much of these projected technologies come to be, then Social Security will fail long before 2031. That projection relies on an increase in lifespan of only seven years in the next seven decades!! Image what happens when the baby boomers come to use Social security in 2018, and then suddenly people stop dying nearly so fast as they do now...
I though we were all gonna die of heart disease and stuff like that...
I think she appeals to boys who're terrified of women, and would prefer their female attributes (hips and breasts) weren't too prominent. And, of course, the closet fudgepackers, of which there seems to be quite a few in the geek crowd.
Homophobic comments aside, I agree with you and am gald that someone else thinks the same as me.