The tweaking is at the Kernel/OS level so applications can run without modification (in theory). My guess is some apps will need patches while others will be okay. A perfect example of this is apps that run under 10.0 and 10.1 but not 10.2.
With the speed of current and future processors the delivery of a stable OS is preferable to a 3 year late, and tweaked OS that runs the same things just a little faster.
Server. I've used both and they work fine for me (although don't change resolutions running VNC).
OS X 10.2 is everything I could expect from an OS and more. Linux distro's should take notice. I use OS X, Windows and Linux. I have moved from Linux to OS X for my desktop needs and run all Linux (from Windows) on the Server side (JSP) with the exception of DB Server running Solaris on SPARC.
As soon as Oracle is out of Dev versions for 10.2 Server I'm debating on testing versus my SPARC (IIi) to gauge speed and usability. The OS X Server tools look great!
Unfortunately what "should be" and what will be are in direct conflict with one another.
As long as big busine$$ has more votes in Congress than the constituants of an elected politician we're all screwed.
On the bright side the idiots of my state are going to vote "Yet Another Football Player" (trademark pending) into office (Steve Largent, religious right wing nut and hypocrite). Oh well as I've said before, this only makes me more money while keeping Oklahoma a "Dust Bowl".
The Republican Party, lying to the masses for the benefit of the few. I'd bet you'll never see a Regan picture with a "Think Different" tagline.
This isn't Apple's convention. It is a convention for Apple.
The only thing I really hate about Apple is the extreme arrogance (and I am a switcher on the client side!).
If they don't want to go then to hell with them. I was considering paying the $1295 for the convention in January in SF but now... ah, who am I kidding, I need the write-off vacation.
Actually I run OS X on the client side using Dreamweaver and sftp (via terminal/console) to get my jsp's.
So I switched from Server Side Windows to Linux and Solaris (avoiding RMS wrath by typing Linux/Solaris) and I switched from Client side Windows and Linux to OS X.
Like my company was. However that being said, what got me to finally breakdown and switch to Linux/Solaris wasn't the Nonexistent Security, Monopoly, the consistant Patches, the piss poor support or even the high cost. It was when trying to get my Exchange Server back up after it crashed for no apparent reason a book I was reading for help in running Exchange said: "It is often preferable to simply backup you Exchange Server Data and reinstall, instead of trying to find the one hidden setting that is causing the error in your configuration."
That almost made me fall over in my chair.
From that day on I decided on a course for MS freedom. We now run Apache/Tomcat for our JSP server, MySQL for our DB Backend (until migration to Oracle is complete), and QMail/Horde/IMP for mail. It took a little time but saved around $6000 in software licensing costs and $5000 in new hardware that would have needed to be purchased.
So in the end I could deal with all the MS shit until the UI for managing Exchange got so bad it no longer became worth it to run MS on the server side. It was the best IT decision I've made (IMHO).
We have told our sales force to really understand that this is kind of job one, Ballmer, 46, said in an interview last week. People are saying by and large, It might be easier for me to move my Unix apps to Linux than to Windows, although we're pretty close to making that untrue.
Lol, what apps are easier from Unix to Windows? Viruses? that is about it.
I've switched all my companies servers to Linux and Solaris. I am slowly bringing linux on board at my full time job. When the shoe fits, wear it. Unfortunately for MS their shoe is a size too small.
It could be a stand alone app that uses mozilla as the core functionality. It's my understanding Mozilla runs on almost every available platform where IE is windows specific (the mac version is nothing like the windows version).
That being said I run mozilla on mac os 8, 9 & 10, linux, solaris and windows. I'm not sure what the problem would be.
Oh well. I don't run OS 10.2 on my G3-333 I just tried it on that before installing on my G4-733 to test it (since I'm new to macs). I also wanted to see if it could live up to the hype on older hardware. I knew if it would run well on a G3-333 it would scream on my G4-733. That being said I run OS 9.2.2 on it and it's faster than hell (10.2 was creeper slow).
I also missed the part about HD performance, however my G3 has SCSI hard drives so I bet it wouldn't hurt that much. Now on IDE it's probably a whole different story.
If it takes a 10-15% performace hit that is significant on older hardware. 10.2 is faster than 10.1 but on a G3 333 it's still dog slow. It works out my G4 733 too.
That being said I'll try it but hopefully there will be a way to disable it as well.
Probably because that is the reason I decided to support mac development. My apps need a common code base (since they are for linux, windows and mac os x) and java is the easiest way to go. Custom UI, standard classes.
As far as the Carbon programming maybe it's the developer not the tool. I could try building my own house (by hand) but why when I couldn't frame a house to save my life? My framer is skilled in building and I am not. Same goes for Carbon programming, Adobe Photoshop seems to run just fine and it's a carbon app.
He's hunting down the people that fucked him via eBay. I'm considering the same! (not)
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I mean come on this is like saying being overweight is bad, or shooting heroin can cause problems down the road.
However, that being said my income has risen every year except one when I moved from Dallas TX to Norman OK and now I make more than I did in Dallas. I guess it all depends on the opportunities you create for yourself. I knew several people in college that dropped out because with their MCSE they could get a 50 to 75K job in Dallas overnight. I decided to stay the course and get a broad education in both business (both MIS and Finance degrees) and technical learning (I began working with linux in '95 as well as Windows based systems).
Having a wide area of knowledge only helps. I've saved my company 10s of thousands of dollars by implementing Linux based solutions instead of MS solutions at my full time job and we are a MS shop only (not anymore).
I guess it's all in how hard you worked toward tangible goals when things were going good as opposed to taking the easy way out.
I want an.exe for windows, a.bin for linux, a.whateverthehell for mac, a.bin for solaris,...
From one source if someone built a compiler that could understand the UI nuances between OSes I would spend loads. Not to mention could you imagine the apps that would be built?
Seriously if a company could use (lets call it NativeJava) NativeJava and build for Linux/Solaris/OS X/OS 9/Windows 9x/Windows 2000/XP with one source file that could be compiled via processor emulation for all platforms, there would be some great Mac/Linux applications because the barrier to entry for building Mac/Linux Apps would be almost zero (you'd want to buy those systems to test of course). Realbasic (as irritating as their marketing guy is) is the closest product to this. However it would need a lot more work to get there.
I just want to hit F5 and have my app built for several platforms and as a developer/business person, I would pay a shitload for this functionality. I currently build apps for all the previously mentioned platforms (except OS 9, I am late to the Mac scene).
Java is significantly faster on OS X than it is on Linux. It's my understanding the reason the Java versions lag a little behind is Apple helps optimize them to aid with the speed issues.
That being said, I just want a compiler that can build native apps with one code base. Yes I know C++ can "theoretically" do this, but not if you're trying to make it a true native app. I want to say build file menu and the compiler knows on apple it's integrated and on a PC it's got it's own menu interface, on linux you can choose how you want it laid out (SDI versus MDI).
This is the killer app for developers and I personally would pay several thousand for a development environment that could do this. I'll return to my pipe dream shortly.
For my apps (that are cross platform) I build the classes in java and the UI in whichever platform I'm using. This allows each program to look good on the intended platform. For Apple Cocoa (java) programming via the Interface Builder is a wonderful tool (and free to boot!). However, I'm not a big fan of Swing. It is very unresponsive on even the fastest systems and even though working with a program can be just as efficient, as all Mac OS 9 users can tell you OS X doesn't "feel" as fast. That is the perception of Java based programs (that aren't native compiled), they are just slow. Sun should really consider a non-backward compatible new set of UI components because Swing was just kiss and make up for AWT (painful beast). I hate the layout managers and building your own, while it is an option really doesn't help in quick development.
Just have one more conference. SF in Jan, NYC in May and Boston in Sept. That way I can travel to all cities as a business write off (à la Kramer/Seinfeld).
I'm looking forward to this Jan in SF. Maybe there will be some G5's? NOT!!!
I did. It is Life with QMail on steroids. Plus it has a great troubleshooting section. And every part goes further into detail. The only thing out of date is the daemontools but if you can read the info that you download with it you'll be fine.
Buy the book, you'll thank me later. QMail is great but it's a very detailed process of installing all the associated s/w. relay-ctrl is critical as well (to avoid becoming a spam server for "Smoking your way thin" and "Get confident stupid!" seminars (ahhh I miss Troy McClure).
Have a life outside patching your POS MS IIS server daily. How many tools does it take to secure a MS server?
Since we are all IIS/MS at my full time job we run, the MS Lock Down Tool, the MS Security Analyzer, the Windows Update feature (daily) and check TechNet daily to make sure those critical patches that show up in the Security Analyzer are actually installed (since they are on TechNet anywhere between 1 to 3 weeks before actually moving to the critical update part of windows update).
That being said, if you don't check your server daily you can and will be rooted. It's that simple. Same goes for linux but at least with linux the likelihood is far less because I select the s/w that runs not MS.
BTW anyone with a functioning brain (or balls for that matter) doesn't post criticizims via AC.
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People choose to use MS. No one chose to be a slave.
The code is open source and the gcc 3 code is open source. It doesn't appear to me they are hiding anything.
The tweaking is at the Kernel/OS level so applications can run without modification (in theory). My guess is some apps will need patches while others will be okay. A perfect example of this is apps that run under 10.0 and 10.1 but not 10.2.
With the speed of current and future processors the delivery of a stable OS is preferable to a 3 year late, and tweaked OS that runs the same things just a little faster.
Server. I've used both and they work fine for me (although don't change resolutions running VNC).
OS X 10.2 is everything I could expect from an OS and more. Linux distro's should take notice. I use OS X, Windows and Linux. I have moved from Linux to OS X for my desktop needs and run all Linux (from Windows) on the Server side (JSP) with the exception of DB Server running Solaris on SPARC.
As soon as Oracle is out of Dev versions for 10.2 Server I'm debating on testing versus my SPARC (IIi) to gauge speed and usability. The OS X Server tools look great!
sigh.
Unfortunately what "should be" and what will be are in direct conflict with one another.
As long as big busine$$ has more votes in Congress than the constituants of an elected politician we're all screwed.
On the bright side the idiots of my state are going to vote "Yet Another Football Player" (trademark pending) into office (Steve Largent, religious right wing nut and hypocrite). Oh well as I've said before, this only makes me more money while keeping Oklahoma a "Dust Bowl".
The Republican Party, lying to the masses for the benefit of the few. I'd bet you'll never see a Regan picture with a "Think Different" tagline.
This isn't Apple's convention. It is a convention for Apple.
The only thing I really hate about Apple is the extreme arrogance (and I am a switcher on the client side!).
If they don't want to go then to hell with them. I was considering paying the $1295 for the convention in January in SF but now... ah, who am I kidding, I need the write-off vacation.
Actually I run OS X on the client side using Dreamweaver and sftp (via terminal/console) to get my jsp's.
So I switched from Server Side Windows to Linux and Solaris (avoiding RMS wrath by typing Linux/Solaris) and I switched from Client side Windows and Linux to OS X.
So I am a double switcher! lol.
Swing baby, yeah! (in Austin Powers voice)
Like my company was. However that being said, what got me to finally breakdown and switch to Linux/Solaris wasn't the Nonexistent Security, Monopoly, the consistant Patches, the piss poor support or even the high cost. It was when trying to get my Exchange Server back up after it crashed for no apparent reason a book I was reading for help in running Exchange said:
"It is often preferable to simply backup you Exchange Server Data and reinstall, instead of trying to find the one hidden setting that is causing the error in your configuration."
That almost made me fall over in my chair.
From that day on I decided on a course for MS freedom. We now run Apache/Tomcat for our JSP server, MySQL for our DB Backend (until migration to Oracle is complete), and QMail/Horde/IMP for mail. It took a little time but saved around $6000 in software licensing costs and $5000 in new hardware that would have needed to be purchased.
So in the end I could deal with all the MS shit until the UI for managing Exchange got so bad it no longer became worth it to run MS on the server side. It was the best IT decision I've made (IMHO).
We have told our sales force to really understand that this is kind of job one, Ballmer, 46, said in an interview last week. People are saying by and large, It might be easier for me to move my Unix apps to Linux than to Windows, although we're pretty close to making that untrue.
Lol, what apps are easier from Unix to Windows? Viruses? that is about it.
I've switched all my companies servers to Linux and Solaris. I am slowly bringing linux on board at my full time job. When the shoe fits, wear it. Unfortunately for MS their shoe is a size too small.
It could be a stand alone app that uses mozilla as the core functionality. It's my understanding Mozilla runs on almost every available platform where IE is windows specific (the mac version is nothing like the windows version).
That being said I run mozilla on mac os 8, 9 & 10, linux, solaris and windows. I'm not sure what the problem would be.
Oh well. I don't run OS 10.2 on my G3-333 I just tried it on that before installing on my G4-733 to test it (since I'm new to macs). I also wanted to see if it could live up to the hype on older hardware. I knew if it would run well on a G3-333 it would scream on my G4-733. That being said I run OS 9.2.2 on it and it's faster than hell (10.2 was creeper slow).
I also missed the part about HD performance, however my G3 has SCSI hard drives so I bet it wouldn't hurt that much. Now on IDE it's probably a whole different story.
If it takes a 10-15% performace hit that is significant on older hardware. 10.2 is faster than 10.1 but on a G3 333 it's still dog slow. It works out my G4 733 too.
That being said I'll try it but hopefully there will be a way to disable it as well.
proves greed isn't always good. (And yes they do feel like idiots!)
Probably because that is the reason I decided to support mac development. My apps need a common code base (since they are for linux, windows and mac os x) and java is the easiest way to go. Custom UI, standard classes.
As far as the Carbon programming maybe it's the developer not the tool. I could try building my own house (by hand) but why when I couldn't frame a house to save my life? My framer is skilled in building and I am not. Same goes for Carbon programming, Adobe Photoshop seems to run just fine and it's a carbon app.
He's hunting down the people that fucked him via eBay. I'm considering the same! (not)
I mean come on this is like saying being overweight is bad, or shooting heroin can cause problems down the road.
However, that being said my income has risen every year except one when I moved from Dallas TX to Norman OK and now I make more than I did in Dallas. I guess it all depends on the opportunities you create for yourself. I knew several people in college that dropped out because with their MCSE they could get a 50 to 75K job in Dallas overnight. I decided to stay the course and get a broad education in both business (both MIS and Finance degrees) and technical learning (I began working with linux in '95 as well as Windows based systems).
Having a wide area of knowledge only helps. I've saved my company 10s of thousands of dollars by implementing Linux based solutions instead of MS solutions at my full time job and we are a MS shop only (not anymore).
I guess it's all in how hard you worked toward tangible goals when things were going good as opposed to taking the easy way out.
I want an .exe for windows, a .bin for linux, a .whateverthehell for mac, a .bin for solaris, ...
From one source if someone built a compiler that could understand the UI nuances between OSes I would spend loads. Not to mention could you imagine the apps that would be built?
Seriously if a company could use (lets call it NativeJava) NativeJava and build for Linux/Solaris/OS X/OS 9/Windows 9x/Windows 2000/XP with one source file that could be compiled via processor emulation for all platforms, there would be some great Mac/Linux applications because the barrier to entry for building Mac/Linux Apps would be almost zero (you'd want to buy those systems to test of course). Realbasic (as irritating as their marketing guy is) is the closest product to this. However it would need a lot more work to get there.
I just want to hit F5 and have my app built for several platforms and as a developer/business person, I would pay a shitload for this functionality. I currently build apps for all the previously mentioned platforms (except OS 9, I am late to the Mac scene).
Thanks. With 3 jobs I am one of those that really needs links!!!
Java is significantly faster on OS X than it is on Linux. It's my understanding the reason the Java versions lag a little behind is Apple helps optimize them to aid with the speed issues.
That being said, I just want a compiler that can build native apps with one code base. Yes I know C++ can "theoretically" do this, but not if you're trying to make it a true native app. I want to say build file menu and the compiler knows on apple it's integrated and on a PC it's got it's own menu interface, on linux you can choose how you want it laid out (SDI versus MDI).
This is the killer app for developers and I personally would pay several thousand for a development environment that could do this. I'll return to my pipe dream shortly.
More details? What is it a layout manager?
For my apps (that are cross platform) I build the classes in java and the UI in whichever platform I'm using. This allows each program to look good on the intended platform. For Apple Cocoa (java) programming via the Interface Builder is a wonderful tool (and free to boot!). However, I'm not a big fan of Swing. It is very unresponsive on even the fastest systems and even though working with a program can be just as efficient, as all Mac OS 9 users can tell you OS X doesn't "feel" as fast. That is the perception of Java based programs (that aren't native compiled), they are just slow. Sun should really consider a non-backward compatible new set of UI components because Swing was just kiss and make up for AWT (painful beast). I hate the layout managers and building your own, while it is an option really doesn't help in quick development.
Just have one more conference. SF in Jan, NYC in May and Boston in Sept. That way I can travel to all cities as a business write off (à la Kramer/Seinfeld).
I'm looking forward to this Jan in SF. Maybe there will be some G5's? NOT!!!
Being from Oklahoma I wish she were my age!
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Damn, where have all the good ladies gone. My wife is afraid of my 9mm (glad I didn't get a
I did. It is Life with QMail on steroids. Plus it has a great troubleshooting section. And every part goes further into detail. The only thing out of date is the daemontools but if you can read the info that you download with it you'll be fine.
Buy the book, you'll thank me later. QMail is great but it's a very detailed process of installing all the associated s/w. relay-ctrl is critical as well (to avoid becoming a spam server for "Smoking your way thin" and "Get confident stupid!" seminars (ahhh I miss Troy McClure).
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Have a life outside patching your POS MS IIS server daily. How many tools does it take to secure a MS server?
Since we are all IIS/MS at my full time job we run, the MS Lock Down Tool, the MS Security Analyzer, the Windows Update feature (daily) and check TechNet daily to make sure those critical patches that show up in the Security Analyzer are actually installed (since they are on TechNet anywhere between 1 to 3 weeks before actually moving to the critical update part of windows update).
That being said, if you don't check your server daily you can and will be rooted. It's that simple. Same goes for linux but at least with linux the likelihood is far less because I select the s/w that runs not MS.
BTW anyone with a functioning brain (or balls for that matter) doesn't post criticizims via AC.