You know. I think I like the idea of a national server outage day. For those of you in a professional capacity, you need to shut them down to check for any negative comments that might get your company in legal trouble. Schedule the outage on the appropriate day. God...can you imagine...one day without ANY computers up?
Actually, my reason was for the lack of multiprocessor support. I am irritated at this whole Rambus business because I just put together company systems with rambus...a whole product line of them. I knew it was expensive. I knew the tactics used (at least in some respects). But the fact of the matter was it did offer an increase in performance on the applications we are using (scientific computing). I also know that 6 months down the road when DDR SDRAM is out, I will probably be dropping the rambus thing... but of course, Intel will be putting out IA-64 around then and I'll have to evaluate it...and it'll use rambus or some similar expensive tech.
Doesn't anyone go to the movies for just fun anymore? Do you always have to be intellectually stimulated by every movie you go to? Geez, people, lighten up. Have some fun, relax, blow some steam. If you thought it sucked, you probably went expecting a deep flick.
No, that is not real. No way in hell. Smart, Gamer, Beautiful, and in Playboy? Come on, what kind of fools are we? Next thing you know we'll be talking to Jesus on the frozen plains of hell, commenting on the flying swine.;)
Seriously though, how rare is this combination? Oh, about as rare as handsome, gamer, intelligent geek guys who have been in Playgirl. I know one guy who has 3 (no playgirl yet, but he could be).
Someone suggested it on here in a previos napster discussion, and it just made so much sense to me...send the money directly to the band. Cut and paste freely.
Dear Metallica, I heard a great song of yours because of Napster. I loved it. I loved another song you wrote that I heard off of Napster. So, since I loved it so much, I decided to download the entire CD. I thought to myself, "Gee, this is great music, it's worth the $15". So I sent you the money. Since I did not buy it from a record store and I did not have the address for your Record Label handy, I thought I would send it to you. Your music is a commodity, regardless of whether I get it from Napster or from a record store, but I wanted to show my appreciation for the people who actually make the music, not the people who throw up advertisements everywhere.
Again, thank you for the music, and here is the money I might have spent on a CD.
Just the other day I was in talking with the lead developer for one of the projects I was on over the last 9 months, explaining to him how the last 7 years of code that had been written on the project was completely underdesigned and thrown together with duct tape and bailing wire. I cannot even begin to describe it. And I am supposed to be the buildmaster for this, and we are looking to have offsite developers go to town on this stuff. He looked at me, and listened to me bitch and then said "Well, we don't want to invest a lot of time into this, or money." WHat??!?!?!? He wants me to restructure the last seven years of work in a slap dash manner, not even fixing the problem, or making it worse! It was exactly this kind of thinking that got me to the point where I had to say this has got to stop. I may be just ranting, but what the hell else am I going to do? I am supposed to be buildmaster and tech support. Well, because it is such a bear to install, we have like 3 users. Guess what? I don't have anything to do but fix it! SO what am I going to do? I am going to come in on weekends and work when he is not looking and make it go, and do it right, because I am _offended_ by the crappiness of the hierarchy and code design. Now, I am not a total lone wolf here, I am discussing the structure with them, but people need to realize that a crappy design leads to a crappy project.
Yea, I have been thinking about doing this very seriously. Right now we have a bunch of post install add-ons that I would like to see wrapped up into an installation. Things like security warning banners (You are using a DOE computer...your mind is not your own sorts of things), site-specific security issues (ssh, kerberos, AFS), and having xservers already setup for mass machine configuration.
Now, perhaps some of the more Christian oriented members of the Slashdot community could fill in the details here, but weren't there like 13 tribes at Babel? Or was it 9? or 7? I can't remember. I have always been of the belief that things were not quite as literal in the Bible as some would have you believe. Perhaps this is a sort of reference to that...Not trying to start a religious war, but something to think about.
Of course, my mother always believed that the [13|9|7] tribes at Babel were us and the aliens that populate the universe...and the sundering by language was more of a sundering from earth itself...who knows;)
For the love of all that is good an holy, why the hell are companies shoving everything on the goddamn cpu? "Today's 550 Mhz machines" are not on everyone's desktop. I have a 300! Do we forget that while you may have a gigahertz processor, you don't have enough bus speed to move around all that information? So what if I have a win printer and a WinDSL? I am going to be chugging insanely hard. Let's not forget if I am doing anything with an IDE hard drive. As it is, moving a big file on my UATA/33 hard drive practically freezes up my system, pegging the cpu briefly. Linux support or no, I really hate the trend by some hardware manufacturer's to try and make their products cheaper by using parts of the computer that are already doing something. I NEED the cpu to process my applications, not to govern my net traffic.
And then on the other hand, we have video card companies, who appear to be going in the exact opposite direction, putting ungodly amounts of ram and processing power on a board? Have you looked at a voodoo 5? A Geforce? Which is better recieved by people? A WinPrinter or a GeForce?
Tech people cannot stand WinModems. I remember when they first came out and I didn't understand what was going on with them. I look back now and I think, "My god, what a pain in the ass". Raise your hand if you like WinModems!
Best thing I can say is call your isp and tell them that you do not want this technology to interfere with your internet experience. Tell then that you run multiple computers with multiple OS's, and that winmodems will not work for you. Maybe...just maybe, we can crush this like a bug.
Key Features Internet & E-mail Access with Mobile Phone or Wireless Modem MP3 player, Voice recording, MPEG Moving Picture, Graphic game Strong CPU of High Performance PIMS, Dictionary, Calculator, Word pad, World time, Alarm, etc. Color TFT LCD Display Handwriting Recognition S/W
Technical Specifications 206MHz ARM RISC microprocessor 3D Sound Stereo Audio CODEC MP3 Player, Voice Recording, Alarm 4.0 inches True color TFT LCD (65,536 color) CCFL Back light 1400mA Rechargeable Li-lon Battery Size(H x W x D): 128.8 x 83.5 x 22mm RS232C & USB Serial port CompactFlash(TM) Slot IrDA Standard included Audio In/Out Jack Front-view Speaker
Basic Accessories Cradle for Recharge & Sync. to PC Serial(RS232C & USB) Cable Stereo Remote Earphone Installation CD User's Guide
Processor on the Jornada is different, but other features are the same
The Compaq offers Wireless lan...wonder if it'd work in a yopy...the casio looks remarkably likle the yopy
Looks like the casio may be using the same Hitachi cpu as the Jornada...similar specs
The compaq iPaq h3650 is so similar to the Yopy, I bet they just redid the case...and not even very much. Even the processor is identical. Looks like Gmate is gonna be bringing in the bucks.
I think that this could get interesting very quickly with linux and windows coming out on these at the same time.
Seriously, I am trying to figure out the possibility of turning these (or the chips in them) into some other purpose. My particular case would be for sceintific computing. Would it be "practical"? I have not heard much on them, other than they have insane performance, and I heard once they have a very small instruction set (a RRISC?), but I have not seen anything else. Anyone have some good info?
Actually, I moderate;) Thanks for the comments everyone. I would hold off on the poking at linux users. I did not know about the *BSD's when I started, and have spent so much time learning all I know about linux, I have not stepped over to that yet. One could say that *BSD users are just people who feel the the need to be rebellious for the sake of being rebellious, but I really don't think that is the case.
And I have never seen anyone get moderated down just because they like a BSD.
I am so tired of people on here who insist on insulting the staff of Slashdot. For the love of all that is good and holy, they are people. I bet when Rob started this little venture he had no idea that he would become a celebrity and subject to the sorts of things we see in the national enquirer. Why does he have to be "opressed" and "following the party line" and "just saying what Andover/VA Linux says he should say"? Just because he has a financial interest in Slashdot as well as an editorial one? He knows as well as anyone what got Slashdot to where it is, and you think he is going to go mess with that?
ANd on the same subject, this goes with everyone else at Slashdot. Do we need to go bashing Hemos left and right if he reposts a story? Geez, people, how childish. Do we need to jump on JonKatz personally just because he's a windbag?;) He's supposed to write things like he does! It's his job!
It comes down to this...despite my hoping otherwise, it appears that the alternative computing culture (heh) has just as many people who can't stand anyone doing something that is making a difference, because they themselves are not.
See, here's the thing. It doesn't matter what the actual problem with the flaw in the MS code is, it is still some level of a security breech that happened because the code was put in by irresponsible coders. Come now, commenting your code with cracks at other programmers is one thing, but deliberately injecting an insult into your code at the expense of comprimising a security model is completely wrong. Don't these people have code reviews? Apparently not, or the programmers were all so arrogant or in on the joke that they let it slide, without thinking about the consequences. I am a sysadmin for a living, and something like this bothers me, because of the impact that it has on my servers and my clients. My wife, a software engineer by trade, is morally and ethically outraged that something like this would go on. And I can sympathize with her, every time I look at a script kiddie, or even an actual skilled black hat hacker and I think about how they are wasting their skills.
Even if the facts are not totally straight, it is close enough to the truth for the average member of the populance who does not understand the complexities of dll's and so's to understand that Open Source can prevent Bad Things(tm) from happening to their computer. They know that while they may not look at the code, they have the ability to, and thusly someone else who DOES know the complexities of dll's and so's can review it for them, and they can feel safer. And that someone can be anyone..not just internal folks who are colored by their work place (I'll refrain from calling it indoctrination).
Yes, WE ALL KNOW THIS STUFF...but not everyone does! Revelation I know, but people do not know what Open Source means. They think it means free (as in beer). Hell, most people do not know what souce code is! ut what they should know is that if something says Open Source on the box (like where it says "Designed for Windows") they will KNOW that there are people looking at it, that they can look at it, and they know there is nothing hiding. If there are bugs and security holes, it is due to HONEST mistakes, as opposed to pranksters.
That's why it is nice to know that someone is trying to educate the users..even if you do not approve of ESR's or RMS's methods (Lord knows I wish they would shut up most days). You show people why it is better in your way, they'll do it in there way.
I was on a mud once, called LostSouls...it was a great mud, and put many many many hours into it. Anyhow, I was a wizard (developer for the non-mud-literate) on this mud, and at one point, it was suggested to raise money for a computer that we sell virtual items...personalized items...unique ones..and you could pay $$ for power.
Well, this worked fine for a while, but things soon got out of hand...it really threw off the balance of the game. It wasn't any fun anymore. People were not relishing in the challenge of the game, but rather the challenge of getting up $50 for a good unique item.
So then the powers that be decided to tone down the items...and the players screamed and moaned. They felt ripped off.
So where is this mud now? I really don't know. I have not been on it in two years. It was a good place, but in the end I felt it fell to too much political bickering and control freaks.
So, now you have it, a previous experience with the same thing.
Can anyone tell me what the story is behind the political divisions in the *BSD's? In particular, why do I keep hearing that Theo DeRaadt (the main guy(?) for OpenBSD) is....um...interesting? Purely curious. If you can point me to a site, that'd be good to
I jsut gotta say, that's a good bunch of quickies...I about peed my pants at some of them. My wife could be on calculusgirls.com, as well as a couple of friends of mine. No, sorry, none of them are single...I'll probably get moderated down for that last statement;)
I have been doing alot of benchmarking at work...in this case, benching p3 coppermines against r10k and r12k octanes, as well as UltraSparcII's. Here's what we have found. In all cases, the p3's perform admirably well. Let me give you a brief rundown of system specs bob - p3 coppermine w/ SDRAM -- dual 700's w/ 1 gig of ram. 18 gig scsi3 lvd. smith - p3 coppermine w/RDRAM -- dual 733's w/ 1 gig of ram. 18 gig scsi3 lvd joe -- sgi octane, dual R12k processors (i think they are ~400 Mhz, but I could be mistaken..I am not the sgi guy) 2 gigs of ram. scsi hdd blow - sgi o2, single r12k, 300 Mhz, ~375M ram. ralph - dual UltraSparcII 450 (almost positive on this) 2 gigs of ram, scsi hdd julio - single p3 (not copermine) 600, 128 megs of ram. on floating point intensive calculations, the pentiums get waxed, and fairly hard (smith takes about half again as long as ralph). Joe also does better, with smith taking about 1/4 again as long. On integer calculations, things start getting quite a lot closer, with the p3's getting within 15% of the octanes and ultrasparc. When the calculations exceeds the memory of the system (notable on the o2) they start hitting the disk. For fairness, we'll compare julio (a $1700 machine) and blow (around ~$8k). Julio at least equals it in virtually every benchmark we ran, and apparently can access it's disks (ATA66) much much faster. Blow ends up taking almost double the time of Julio. What we did notice was that RDRAM does make some difference, but not in everything. If you do have to hit the RAM (as opposed to the cache, which one of our calculations manages to stay in) it can improve performance by up to 20%. We did not test any celeron's or Athlons. I would expect the Athlon to be very very good on the FPU. Unfortunately, I know of know dual Athlon configurations. Now, I want you all to know, I am not a pro at this. I do not have all the knowledge of some of my coworkers working on this. But I can say that the jobs we are running are short (less than 6 hours, as opposed to the days running on the big supercomputers) but the trends are holding across the board. I did not put up any hard numbers because I do not have them here. I will probably do so later. Personally, if I wanted a desktop compute server, and I had a certain $$ limit (let's say 30k) I'd take a small cluster of dual p3 coppermines or xeons with RDRAM and scsi over the same $$ figure sun or sgi. Interconnects of gigabit ethernet of course;) Now, before you go thinking I am endorsing anything, I am not. neither is my company. Of cours,e you don't know who my company is (my info is out of date;). This is just my preliminary experiences with it. I'll inform you ore as we get in more machines to test
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You know. I think I like the idea of a national server outage day. For those of you in a professional capacity, you need to shut them down to check for any negative comments that might get your company in legal trouble. Schedule the outage on the appropriate day. God...can you imagine...one day without ANY computers up?
Actually, my reason was for the lack of multiprocessor support. I am irritated at this whole Rambus business because I just put together company systems with rambus...a whole product line of them. I knew it was expensive. I knew the tactics used (at least in some respects). But the fact of the matter was it did offer an increase in performance on the applications we are using (scientific computing). I also know that 6 months down the road when DDR SDRAM is out, I will probably be dropping the rambus thing... but of course, Intel will be putting out IA-64 around then and I'll have to evaluate it...and it'll use rambus or some similar expensive tech.
Doesn't anyone go to the movies for just fun anymore? Do you always have to be intellectually stimulated by every movie you go to? Geez, people, lighten up. Have some fun, relax, blow some steam. If you thought it sucked, you probably went expecting a deep flick.
No, that is not real. No way in hell. Smart, Gamer, Beautiful, and in Playboy? Come on, what kind of fools are we? Next thing you know we'll be talking to Jesus on the frozen plains of hell, commenting on the flying swine. ;)
;)
Seriously though, how rare is this combination? Oh, about as rare as handsome, gamer, intelligent geek guys who have been in Playgirl. I know one guy who has 3 (no playgirl yet, but he could be).
Geez. I hate impossibly perfect people
fom your bash command line ;)
/home/pirate/netpd-bait /home/pirate/mp3` /home/pirate/mp3/$i /home/pirate/netpd-bait/Metallica-$i
/home/pirate/netpd-bait
mkdir
for i in `ls
do cp
done
login with favorite client and redirect your db to
What? have they linked in mp3 id tags? same search, insert command to change id tag.
Someone suggested it on here in a previos napster discussion, and it just made so much sense to me...send the money directly to the band. Cut and paste freely.
Dear Metallica,
I heard a great song of yours because of Napster. I loved it. I loved another song you wrote that I heard off of Napster. So, since I loved it so much, I decided to download the entire CD. I thought to myself, "Gee, this is great music, it's worth the $15". So I sent you the money. Since I did not buy it from a record store and I did not have the address for your Record Label handy, I thought I would send it to you. Your music is a commodity, regardless of whether I get it from Napster or from a record store, but I wanted to show my appreciation for the people who actually make the music, not the people who throw up advertisements everywhere.
Again, thank you for the music, and here is the money I might have spent on a CD.
Sincerely,
An anonymous Napster-using Fan
Just the other day I was in talking with the lead developer for one of the projects I was on over the last 9 months, explaining to him how the last 7 years of code that had been written on the project was completely underdesigned and thrown together with duct tape and bailing wire. I cannot even begin to describe it. And I am supposed to be the buildmaster for this, and we are looking to have offsite developers go to town on this stuff. He looked at me, and listened to me bitch and then said "Well, we don't want to invest a lot of time into this, or money." WHat??!?!?!? He wants me to restructure the last seven years of work in a slap dash manner, not even fixing the problem, or making it worse! It was exactly this kind of thinking that got me to the point where I had to say this has got to stop. I may be just ranting, but what the hell else am I going to do? I am supposed to be buildmaster and tech support. Well, because it is such a bear to install, we have like 3 users. Guess what? I don't have anything to do but fix it! SO what am I going to do? I am going to come in on weekends and work when he is not looking and make it go, and do it right, because I am _offended_ by the crappiness of the hierarchy and code design. Now, I am not a total lone wolf here, I am discussing the structure with them, but people need to realize that a crappy design leads to a crappy project.
I assume then that you are applying this same principle to Korean slang?
According to the FAQ, they are running W windows...I do not have the link handy.
They are redesigning the gui, according to the mailing list and the message board on GMate's site. They are trying to not look like WinCE
For equilibrium of the distributions, Redhat has this as well with Kickstart. There is a kickstart HOWTO as well.
Yea, I have been thinking about doing this very seriously. Right now we have a bunch of post install add-ons that I would like to see wrapped up into an installation. Things like security warning banners (You are using a DOE computer...your mind is not your own sorts of things), site-specific security issues (ssh, kerberos, AFS), and having xservers already setup for mass machine configuration.
Now, perhaps some of the more Christian oriented members of the Slashdot community could fill in the details here, but weren't there like 13 tribes at Babel? Or was it 9? or 7? I can't remember. I have always been of the belief that things were not quite as literal in the Bible as some would have you believe. Perhaps this is a sort of reference to that...Not trying to start a religious war, but something to think about.
;)
Of course, my mother always believed that the [13|9|7] tribes at Babel were us and the aliens that populate the universe...and the sundering by language was more of a sundering from earth itself...who knows
For the love of all that is good an holy, why the hell are companies shoving everything on the goddamn cpu? "Today's 550 Mhz machines" are not on everyone's desktop. I have a 300! Do we forget that while you may have a gigahertz processor, you don't have enough bus speed to move around all that information? So what if I have a win printer and a WinDSL? I am going to be chugging insanely hard. Let's not forget if I am doing anything with an IDE hard drive. As it is, moving a big file on my UATA/33 hard drive practically freezes up my system, pegging the cpu briefly. Linux support or no, I really hate the trend by some hardware manufacturer's to try and make their products cheaper by using parts of the computer that are already doing something. I NEED the cpu to process my applications, not to govern my net traffic.
And then on the other hand, we have video card companies, who appear to be going in the exact opposite direction, putting ungodly amounts of ram and processing power on a board? Have you looked at a voodoo 5? A Geforce? Which is better recieved by people? A WinPrinter or a GeForce?
Tech people cannot stand WinModems. I remember when they first came out and I didn't understand what was going on with them. I look back now and I think, "My god, what a pain in the ass". Raise your hand if you like WinModems!
Best thing I can say is call your isp and tell them that you do not want this technology to interfere with your internet experience. Tell then that you run multiple computers with multiple OS's, and that winmodems will not work for you. Maybe...just maybe, we can crush this like a bug.
Check out yopy.org. other links include
slashdot1
slashdot2
and about 5 others on yopy.org
Brief run down of yopy specs...
Key Features
Internet & E-mail Access with Mobile Phone or Wireless Modem
MP3 player, Voice recording, MPEG Moving Picture, Graphic game
Strong CPU of High Performance
PIMS, Dictionary, Calculator, Word pad, World time, Alarm, etc.
Color TFT LCD Display
Handwriting Recognition S/W
Technical Specifications
206MHz ARM RISC microprocessor
3D Sound Stereo Audio CODEC
MP3 Player, Voice Recording, Alarm
4.0 inches True color TFT LCD (65,536 color)
CCFL Back light
1400mA Rechargeable Li-lon Battery
Size(H x W x D): 128.8 x 83.5 x 22mm
RS232C & USB Serial port
CompactFlash(TM) Slot
IrDA Standard included
Audio In/Out Jack
Front-view Speaker
Basic Accessories
Cradle for Recharge & Sync. to PC
Serial(RS232C & USB) Cable
Stereo Remote Earphone
Installation CD
User's Guide
Processor on the Jornada is different, but other features are the same
The Compaq offers Wireless lan...wonder if it'd work in a yopy...the casio looks remarkably likle the yopy
Looks like the casio may be using the same Hitachi cpu as the Jornada...similar specs
The compaq iPaq h3650 is so similar to the Yopy, I bet they just redid the case...and not even very much. Even the processor is identical. Looks like Gmate is gonna be bringing in the bucks.
I think that this could get interesting very quickly with linux and windows coming out on these at the same time.
Do a search for Yopy on slashdot here and you get one of these with linux on it. Samsung is making them. also check out www.yopy.org
Wouldn't a strongARM system work for you here? They have low wattage...
Seriously, I am trying to figure out the possibility of turning these (or the chips in them) into some other purpose. My particular case would be for sceintific computing. Would it be "practical"? I have not heard much on them, other than they have insane performance, and I heard once they have a very small instruction set (a RRISC?), but I have not seen anything else. Anyone have some good info?
Actually, I moderate ;) Thanks for the comments everyone. I would hold off on the poking at linux users. I did not know about the *BSD's when I started, and have spent so much time learning all I know about linux, I have not stepped over to that yet. One could say that *BSD users are just people who feel the the need to be rebellious for the sake of being rebellious, but I really don't think that is the case.
And I have never seen anyone get moderated down just because they like a BSD.
I am so tired of people on here who insist on insulting the staff of Slashdot. For the love of all that is good and holy, they are people. I bet when Rob started this little venture he had no idea that he would become a celebrity and subject to the sorts of things we see in the national enquirer. Why does he have to be "opressed" and "following the party line" and "just saying what Andover/VA Linux says he should say"? Just because he has a financial interest in Slashdot as well as an editorial one? He knows as well as anyone what got Slashdot to where it is, and you think he is going to go mess with that?
;) He's supposed to write things like he does! It's his job!
ANd on the same subject, this goes with everyone else at Slashdot. Do we need to go bashing Hemos left and right if he reposts a story? Geez, people, how childish. Do we need to jump on JonKatz personally just because he's a windbag?
It comes down to this...despite my hoping otherwise, it appears that the alternative computing culture (heh) has just as many people who can't stand anyone doing something that is making a difference, because they themselves are not.
See, here's the thing. It doesn't matter what the actual problem with the flaw in the MS code is, it is still some level of a security breech that happened because the code was put in by irresponsible coders. Come now, commenting your code with cracks at other programmers is one thing, but deliberately injecting an insult into your code at the expense of comprimising a security model is completely wrong. Don't these people have code reviews? Apparently not, or the programmers were all so arrogant or in on the joke that they let it slide, without thinking about the consequences. I am a sysadmin for a living, and something like this bothers me, because of the impact that it has on my servers and my clients. My wife, a software engineer by trade, is morally and ethically outraged that something like this would go on. And I can sympathize with her, every time I look at a script kiddie, or even an actual skilled black hat hacker and I think about how they are wasting their skills.
Even if the facts are not totally straight, it is close enough to the truth for the average member of the populance who does not understand the complexities of dll's and so's to understand that Open Source can prevent Bad Things(tm) from happening to their computer. They know that while they may not look at the code, they have the ability to, and thusly someone else who DOES know the complexities of dll's and so's can review it for them, and they can feel safer. And that someone can be anyone..not just internal folks who are colored by their work place (I'll refrain from calling it indoctrination).
Yes, WE ALL KNOW THIS STUFF...but not everyone does! Revelation I know, but people do not know what Open Source means. They think it means free (as in beer). Hell, most people do not know what souce code is! ut what they should know is that if something says Open Source on the box (like where it says "Designed for Windows") they will KNOW that there are people looking at it, that they can look at it, and they know there is nothing hiding. If there are bugs and security holes, it is due to HONEST mistakes, as opposed to pranksters.
That's why it is nice to know that someone is trying to educate the users..even if you do not approve of ESR's or RMS's methods (Lord knows I wish they would shut up most days). You show people why it is better in your way, they'll do it in there way.
I was on a mud once, called LostSouls...it was a great mud, and put many many many hours into it. Anyhow, I was a wizard (developer for the non-mud-literate) on this mud, and at one point, it was suggested to raise money for a computer that we sell virtual items...personalized items...unique ones..and you could pay $$ for power.
Well, this worked fine for a while, but things soon got out of hand...it really threw off the balance of the game. It wasn't any fun anymore. People were not relishing in the challenge of the game, but rather the challenge of getting up $50 for a good unique item.
So then the powers that be decided to tone down the items...and the players screamed and moaned. They felt ripped off.
So where is this mud now? I really don't know. I have not been on it in two years. It was a good place, but in the end I felt it fell to too much political bickering and control freaks.
So, now you have it, a previous experience with the same thing.
Can anyone tell me what the story is behind the political divisions in the *BSD's? In particular, why do I keep hearing that Theo DeRaadt (the main guy(?) for OpenBSD) is ....um...interesting? Purely curious. If you can point me to a site, that'd be good to
I jsut gotta say, that's a good bunch of quickies...I about peed my pants at some of them. My wife could be on calculusgirls.com, as well as a couple of friends of mine. No, sorry, none of them are single...I'll probably get moderated down for that last statement ;)
I have been doing alot of benchmarking at work...in this case, benching p3 coppermines against r10k and r12k octanes, as well as UltraSparcII's. Here's what we have found. In all cases, the p3's perform admirably well. Let me give you a brief rundown of system specs bob - p3 coppermine w/ SDRAM -- dual 700's w/ 1 gig of ram. 18 gig scsi3 lvd. smith - p3 coppermine w/RDRAM -- dual 733's w/ 1 gig of ram. 18 gig scsi3 lvd joe -- sgi octane, dual R12k processors (i think they are ~400 Mhz, but I could be mistaken..I am not the sgi guy) 2 gigs of ram. scsi hdd blow - sgi o2, single r12k, 300 Mhz, ~375M ram. ralph - dual UltraSparcII 450 (almost positive on this) 2 gigs of ram, scsi hdd julio - single p3 (not copermine) 600, 128 megs of ram. on floating point intensive calculations, the pentiums get waxed, and fairly hard (smith takes about half again as long as ralph). Joe also does better, with smith taking about 1/4 again as long. On integer calculations, things start getting quite a lot closer, with the p3's getting within 15% of the octanes and ultrasparc. When the calculations exceeds the memory of the system (notable on the o2) they start hitting the disk. For fairness, we'll compare julio (a $1700 machine) and blow (around ~$8k). Julio at least equals it in virtually every benchmark we ran, and apparently can access it's disks (ATA66) much much faster. Blow ends up taking almost double the time of Julio. What we did notice was that RDRAM does make some difference, but not in everything. If you do have to hit the RAM (as opposed to the cache, which one of our calculations manages to stay in) it can improve performance by up to 20%. We did not test any celeron's or Athlons. I would expect the Athlon to be very very good on the FPU. Unfortunately, I know of know dual Athlon configurations. Now, I want you all to know, I am not a pro at this. I do not have all the knowledge of some of my coworkers working on this. But I can say that the jobs we are running are short (less than 6 hours, as opposed to the days running on the big supercomputers) but the trends are holding across the board. I did not put up any hard numbers because I do not have them here. I will probably do so later. Personally, if I wanted a desktop compute server, and I had a certain $$ limit (let's say 30k) I'd take a small cluster of dual p3 coppermines or xeons with RDRAM and scsi over the same $$ figure sun or sgi. Interconnects of gigabit ethernet of course ;) Now, before you go thinking I am endorsing anything, I am not. neither is my company. Of cours,e you don't know who my company is (my info is out of date ;). This is just my preliminary experiences with it. I'll inform you ore as we get in more machines to test