Works over a modem just fine, and windows clients, as well as unix ones (rdesktop).
You still have the cost issue though, because you still have to pay for a license for _Each concurrent client_ for _each piece of software_.
That is to say, if you want to let 10 people connect to a terminal server, you have to buy 10 client licenses (cheap), and (for instance) 10 copies of office (!!), 10 copies of adobe photoshop (!!) and so on.
If you want them to be able to access a single machine, and only one person per machine, install xp pro. It comes with this ability.
If do not want to pay for xp pro, then VNC is _the_ solution. Effectively gives you the same arrangement as xp pro, since only one vnc client can connect to any particular computer at a time (you are controlling the single mouse).
I'm still using 2.73, the last illegal version. Screw them. I've bought thousands of dollars worth of D&D books over the last 24 years that I've been playing the game. I still have my first edition books, I still have my pre-first edition stuff.
Now would be the perfect opportunity for you to look at what features you are missing against MS-SQL and start implementing them. Nothing like a market waiting to be tapped.
Please take a look at the RH-AS license. Tell me that it does not conflict with GPL, and don't be lying about it. I think it does. It specifically states that I have to buy another copy to put it on another machine. Isn't this against the gpl? I bought the software, it's mine to do with as i please as long as I give out copies of the source along with it?
I support a lot of redhat machines.I appreciate that they ahve to make money and all, but really. I don't call them and ask for support. i don't use the RHN. i run a mirror.
I did call once and ask for support...I got tossed back to HP!
why? you mentioned secure remote file storage for 70 satellite offices.
esmith can do smb, as well as vpn. sounds like it'll fit your bill. The install is straight forward, and you can get pre-setup boxes from www.myezserver.com, as well as support.
and I would post the letter, but I cannot get it thorugh the lameness filter for no apparent reason.
In shorrt, the assigned me a case number and expressed all kinds of concern for my privacy and claimed vehemently that the card was not linked to price, and them promptly offered me special offers because I was a member. I noted the irony and went to Fred Meyer's, which does not appear to use a card.
AFAIK, the spinning mechanics of SCSI drives are the same as IDE ones, just that they are generally machined to a higher spec than the IDE ones. Another "let's give the common people something less durable, banking on that it won't be used as hard" thing.
Note the recent move to 1 year warrenties on IDE hard drives. SCSI drives are still 3-5 years. Honestly, I'm seriously thinking of doing SCSI in my next computer. Two years ago, I got a new computer and got ATA in it. It's been a good computer, but it's starting to feel it's age. My previous computer had scsi in it, and was a dual processor. The extra money I spent (almost 3k when I bought it) helped it last an extra year over theis one as far as speed was concerned.
If you do any serious disk activity, SCSI is a very very good way to go. If you plan on more than one person on a computer at a time, go scsi. For instance, I have a coworker who runs windows 2k at work and has Terminal Services running in admin mode. I logged in and started installed cygwin on it (we're testing cfengine on windows), and it hammered his machine. Made it unusable. That was just downloading stuff to disk! It's a p4 1.7 dell desktop job. My dual p3-700 with scsi never experienced anything like that until both processors were hammered running chemistry code and doing heavy disk activity.
I don't have any empirical data, I just have experienced too much IDE sub-standardness. You pay extra money for a reason, but I personally think it's money well spent.
Essentially, they are being "risky". A small section of overlap, in the weaker power section. I'm sure that they are not the only people to think of this. Certainly, they use of four aps does help cover an area more effectively, no question, and the diagrams do help show that:)
One of the things with beowulf clusters is that it's not necessarily the bandwidth that you need to worry about, but rather the latency of the network. For instance, if I ping a machine on my 100mbps network, I get a round trip time of.350 ms. Myrinet, on the other hand, has latencies in the single digit microseconds. Those interfaces are there less for the amount of data that they can push, and more for their response time, giving the cluster a more "whole" feel.
If your goal is to increase bandwith, I would use 4-port 100mb cards and make a hypercube out of the thing. You won't be limited by the backplane of your switch (which is what? if it's a $100 switch, don't expect to be pushing 3 machines at full keel down it), since they will have dedicated 100mbps connections to each node. relatively cheap, and many examples out there.
You might also take a look at SCALI, although it comes into the range of myrinet, but I think it does exactly what you want.
Gigabit switches with all ports being gigabit are about $450, and is quite speedy.
One potential is for you to look at VIA over gigabit, or to use PM (GM is for myrinet, this is from the real world computing somethingorther in Japan). Essentially, the isue with doing regular tcp/ip communications is that tcp/ip is slow, but pretty fault tolerant. these other protocols are not nearly so fault tolerant, but since they are on dedicated networks, they don't need to be.
Really, I might believe one of these, maybe even 2 or 3, but 7? Come on...where are these coming from, and what are their motivations? Are these really leaked? or are these deliberate misinformation?
I'm not normally a debian zealot, and by me using the term zealot, you can figure out what I think of people who constantly tell me that I'm wrong for using redhat and mandrake. That having been said, I've really got to respect this. Well done.
Personally, I don't care about having 10 different editors, but I'm sure some people do. I can almost live entirely off of the redhat 8.0 personal desktop (I have other machines to compile on), save for the lack of mp3-ability out of the box (freshrpms, I love you) and dvd-ability (again, go freshrpms). But the ability to do something like this, be able to just install it on to a hard drive, type a single command for updates, no registering or anything, and continue on, is very nice.
I think this years install fest will see a lot more debian installs than it will redhat or mandrake because of this.
Do we honestly expect MS to support 5 year old OS's? Come now. How many programs on linux require glibc2.2? Sure, the ME part is a little suspect, but give them a chance to divest themselves of the old baggage.
Not yet at least. My mom is going down this path herself. She's going to use Verisign. Rates were what she felt was fair, they are a fairly trusted company (yes, they are control freaks, but that can be a good thing). The interface is pretty intiutive for building a page. Certificates are already in the browsers, etc.
It's the time limit. If it was a week, it might have a better chance, but think about it. How long does it take you to download an iso? When does that 24 hour period start? After you have the whole thing downloaded? Or when it starts getting sent from the server? You don't really get 24 hours in the latter case.
Not to mention...$7.50 a movie? come on now. I'm not so lazy that I'll wait 6+ hours to download a movie at twice or more of the price of a dvd at the blockbuster or hastings or hollyvood video, all within 10 minutes.
I appreciate the effort, but it's just not gonna be pleasant to use. People download movies because they want to keep them and watch them when they feel like it. How about me being able to download a movie for $7.50, or even $10, and keep it for an unlimited duration? Heck, even if I have to put in a credit card number each time for verification (ala e-books) it wouldn't be bad at all.
For those suggesting OEone, you might take a look at the hardware required to run it. It's beyond many older systems (think 3-5 years old). Yes ram is cheap, but not that cheap when you are looking at people volunteering and free machines. $30 of ram is a significant investment.
Really, I'd love OEone on this type of system, but it's just a little much I think.
Several of the people here have made itneresting suggestions, but I doubt they really read the question. There are several things that can be inferred from your statement.
1) These machines are going out into "the field", meaning network will be, at best, occasionally dial up.
2) You are getting hardware dicarded by businesses. My guess is that this is pentium 2 hardware at best, and probably mostly pentiums. and probably less than 128 megs of ram...likely 32 and 64.
We have this exact problem. We have a mess of older hardware and want to get as many machines as we can out to the people.
So what's our solution? We are still exploring, Currently, though, the front runner is gentoo compiled on another faster box (but with optimizations for the target platform, a pentium) and then image the discs with mondo-rescue. mandrake is also in there, as well as (of all things) corel.
What are we currently running for software? 1) abiword 2) opera (static, free download version) 3) gnumeric 4) gnucash 5) icewm (with the Pure95/Windows 95 theme) 6) rox (with the pinboard enabled for desktop control) 7) sylpheed 8) tuxtype (need for a typing tutor) 9) gaim (I am a firm believer in instant messaging)
And there are several "support" programs as well. Currently, it's taking up nearly 1.5 gigs, but I compiled it rather fat...with all the library support. We lefted 1/2 a gig for home and 128 meg for swap.
And so I tested it out on my athlon, but I turned myself down to 32 megs of ram, and it's still pretty damn fast on my desktop. Probably be just fine when i get it imaged out there. My intention will be to configure it with standard svga drivers in some lower resolution that almost any card will support (800x600, 16 bit color) and try to be as standard as I can with the sound. I compiled the kernel fat as hell (1.4M, 90% of everything actually compiled in, not as modules:-O ) but everything works, which is a bonus.
email me (musashi@owt.com) or contact our lug (3clug@3clug.org) and we'll swap notes.
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I was telling my wife just a couple weeks ago I would gladly pay to have them keep releasing firefly, but on dvd...
Works over a modem just fine, and windows clients, as well as unix ones (rdesktop).
You still have the cost issue though, because you still have to pay for a license for _Each concurrent client_ for _each piece of software_.
That is to say, if you want to let 10 people connect to a terminal server, you have to buy 10 client licenses (cheap), and (for instance) 10 copies of office (!!), 10 copies of adobe photoshop (!!) and so on.
If you want them to be able to access a single machine, and only one person per machine, install xp pro. It comes with this ability.
If do not want to pay for xp pro, then VNC is _the_ solution. Effectively gives you the same arrangement as xp pro, since only one vnc client can connect to any particular computer at a time (you are controlling the single mouse).
I'm still using 2.73, the last illegal version. Screw them. I've bought thousands of dollars worth of D&D books over the last 24 years that I've been playing the game. I still have my first edition books, I still have my pre-first edition stuff.
Now would be the perfect opportunity for you to look at what features you are missing against MS-SQL and start implementing them. Nothing like a market waiting to be tapped.
Please take a look at the RH-AS license. Tell me that it does not conflict with GPL, and don't be lying about it. I think it does. It specifically states that I have to buy another copy to put it on another machine. Isn't this against the gpl? I bought the software, it's mine to do with as i please as long as I give out copies of the source along with it?
http://www.redhat.com/licenses/rhlaws_ita_us.html? location=United+States&
especially the report and auditing section.
I support a lot of redhat machines.I appreciate that they ahve to make money and all, but really. I don't call them and ask for support. i don't use the RHN. i run a mirror.
I did call once and ask for support...I got tossed back to HP!
why? you mentioned secure remote file storage for 70 satellite offices.
esmith can do smb, as well as vpn. sounds like it'll fit your bill. The install is straight forward, and you can get pre-setup boxes from www.myezserver.com, as well as support.
I didn't know it either :)
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=visa
and I would post the letter, but I cannot get it thorugh the lameness filter for no apparent reason.
In shorrt, the assigned me a case number and expressed all kinds of concern for my privacy and claimed vehemently that the card was not linked to price, and them promptly offered me special offers because I was a member. I noted the irony and went to Fred Meyer's, which does not appear to use a card.
Well, i don't knwo if this helps you, but I recently put together a desktop set up for some lower end pentiums. It consists of
1) IceWM
2) RoX
3) gnumeric
4) abiword
5) opera
6) gnucash
7) gaim
8) gimp
9) sylpheed
I also used redhat 8's backgrounds, although the actual software was mostly from mandrake 9.
Honestly, i'm not sure this is what your looking for anyways.
AFAIK, the spinning mechanics of SCSI drives are the same as IDE ones, just that they are generally machined to a higher spec than the IDE ones. Another "let's give the common people something less durable, banking on that it won't be used as hard" thing.
Note the recent move to 1 year warrenties on IDE hard drives. SCSI drives are still 3-5 years. Honestly, I'm seriously thinking of doing SCSI in my next computer. Two years ago, I got a new computer and got ATA in it. It's been a good computer, but it's starting to feel it's age. My previous computer had scsi in it, and was a dual processor. The extra money I spent (almost 3k when I bought it) helped it last an extra year over theis one as far as speed was concerned.
If you do any serious disk activity, SCSI is a very very good way to go. If you plan on more than one person on a computer at a time, go scsi. For instance, I have a coworker who runs windows 2k at work and has Terminal Services running in admin mode. I logged in and started installed cygwin on it (we're testing cfengine on windows), and it hammered his machine. Made it unusable. That was just downloading stuff to disk! It's a p4 1.7 dell desktop job. My dual p3-700 with scsi never experienced anything like that until both processors were hammered running chemistry code and doing heavy disk activity.
I don't have any empirical data, I just have experienced too much IDE sub-standardness. You pay extra money for a reason, but I personally think it's money well spent.
Essentially, they are being "risky". A small section of overlap, in the weaker power section. I'm sure that they are not the only people to think of this. Certainly, they use of four aps does help cover an area more effectively, no question, and the diagrams do help show that :)
One of the things with beowulf clusters is that it's not necessarily the bandwidth that you need to worry about, but rather the latency of the network. For instance, if I ping a machine on my 100mbps network, I get a round trip time of .350 ms. Myrinet, on the other hand, has latencies in the single digit microseconds. Those interfaces are there less for the amount of data that they can push, and more for their response time, giving the cluster a more "whole" feel.
If your goal is to increase bandwith, I would use 4-port 100mb cards and make a hypercube out of the thing. You won't be limited by the backplane of your switch (which is what? if it's a $100 switch, don't expect to be pushing 3 machines at full keel down it), since they will have dedicated 100mbps connections to each node. relatively cheap, and many examples out there.
You might also take a look at SCALI, although it comes into the range of myrinet, but I think it does exactly what you want.
Gigabit switches with all ports being gigabit are about $450, and is quite speedy.
One potential is for you to look at VIA over gigabit, or to use PM (GM is for myrinet, this is from the real world computing somethingorther in Japan). Essentially, the isue with doing regular tcp/ip communications is that tcp/ip is slow, but pretty fault tolerant. these other protocols are not nearly so fault tolerant, but since they are on dedicated networks, they don't need to be.
It depends on whether your machine will boot from USB or not. AFAIK, no Dells will currently. Some other brands will though.
Once they fix pam, I won't have many bitches with OSX. As it is, you cannot kerberos login and exect a screensaver to work wihout a local password.
Really, I might believe one of these, maybe even 2 or 3, but 7? Come on...where are these coming from, and what are their motivations? Are these really leaked? or are these deliberate misinformation?
by at least one cd, if they removed emacs.
I told a coworker of mine that the 2.4.x kernel cannot support a statically compiled emacs, because of the 2TB file limit.
I'm not normally a debian zealot, and by me using the term zealot, you can figure out what I think of people who constantly tell me that I'm wrong for using redhat and mandrake. That having been said, I've really got to respect this. Well done.
Personally, I don't care about having 10 different editors, but I'm sure some people do. I can almost live entirely off of the redhat 8.0 personal desktop (I have other machines to compile on), save for the lack of mp3-ability out of the box (freshrpms, I love you) and dvd-ability (again, go freshrpms). But the ability to do something like this, be able to just install it on to a hard drive, type a single command for updates, no registering or anything, and continue on, is very nice.
I think this years install fest will see a lot more debian installs than it will redhat or mandrake because of this.
Do we honestly expect MS to support 5 year old OS's? Come now. How many programs on linux require glibc2.2? Sure, the ME part is a little suspect, but give them a chance to divest themselves of the old baggage.
Not yet at least. My mom is going down this path herself. She's going to use Verisign. Rates were what she felt was fair, they are a fairly trusted company (yes, they are control freaks, but that can be a good thing). The interface is pretty intiutive for building a page. Certificates are already in the browsers, etc.
It's the time limit. If it was a week, it might have a better chance, but think about it. How long does it take you to download an iso? When does that 24 hour period start? After you have the whole thing downloaded? Or when it starts getting sent from the server? You don't really get 24 hours in the latter case.
Not to mention...$7.50 a movie? come on now. I'm not so lazy that I'll wait 6+ hours to download a movie at twice or more of the price of a dvd at the blockbuster or hastings or hollyvood video, all within 10 minutes.
I appreciate the effort, but it's just not gonna be pleasant to use. People download movies because they want to keep them and watch them when they feel like it. How about me being able to download a movie for $7.50, or even $10, and keep it for an unlimited duration? Heck, even if I have to put in a credit card number each time for verification (ala e-books) it wouldn't be bad at all.
For those suggesting OEone, you might take a look at the hardware required to run it. It's beyond many older systems (think 3-5 years old). Yes ram is cheap, but not that cheap when you are looking at people volunteering and free machines. $30 of ram is a significant investment.
Really, I'd love OEone on this type of system, but it's just a little much I think.
How about a link for kawaii? I can't find it in google :)
Only our LUG got approached by a nonprofit.
:-O ) but everything works, which is a bonus.
Several of the people here have made itneresting suggestions, but I doubt they really read the question. There are several things that can be inferred from your statement.
1) These machines are going out into "the field", meaning network will be, at best, occasionally dial up.
2) You are getting hardware dicarded by businesses. My guess is that this is pentium 2 hardware at best, and probably mostly pentiums. and probably less than 128 megs of ram...likely 32 and 64.
We have this exact problem. We have a mess of older hardware and want to get as many machines as we can out to the people.
So what's our solution? We are still exploring, Currently, though, the front runner is gentoo compiled on another faster box (but with optimizations for the target platform, a pentium) and then image the discs with mondo-rescue. mandrake is also in there, as well as (of all things) corel.
What are we currently running for software?
1) abiword
2) opera (static, free download version)
3) gnumeric
4) gnucash
5) icewm (with the Pure95/Windows 95 theme)
6) rox (with the pinboard enabled for desktop control)
7) sylpheed
8) tuxtype (need for a typing tutor)
9) gaim (I am a firm believer in instant messaging)
And there are several "support" programs as well.
Currently, it's taking up nearly 1.5 gigs, but I compiled it rather fat...with all the library support. We lefted 1/2 a gig for home and 128 meg for swap.
And so I tested it out on my athlon, but I turned myself down to 32 megs of ram, and it's still pretty damn fast on my desktop. Probably be just fine when i get it imaged out there. My intention will be to configure it with standard svga drivers in some lower resolution that almost any card will support (800x600, 16 bit color) and try to be as standard as I can with the sound. I compiled the kernel fat as hell (1.4M, 90% of everything actually compiled in, not as modules
email me (musashi@owt.com) or contact our lug (3clug@3clug.org) and we'll swap notes.
We use synetic.net's boxes of ide discs with scsi coming out the back. Work like a dream :)