Maybe OEMS who want to license Opera for mobile computing will care, but your right. As far as the oh so bold %3 of people who don't use IE, longterm they'll probably all end up being Gecko users. The reasons for using Opera over Firefox for general browsing are slim to none. Before Firebird/FirefoxPhoenix came out they really had a point about Opera being lightweight as compared to the big monolithic Mozilla suite. But that was then and this is now. Nobody wants to pay for what you can get for free. If Opera can't establish itself as "the" browser for handhelds/pda's they don't have much of a future besides being a takeover target once their stock dips to sub $1.00 levels.
Sorry, I copyrighted the word "fuckers". Any written, oral, or pictorial representation belongs to me. Further use of the word "fuckers" will result in fines up to $100,000 per use and/or criminal punishment by a government branch of my choosing. Have a nice day.
I think this is yet another reason why people who aren't advanced users should wait until their distro maker puts out a new release with the 2.6 kernel and all its updated apps. Its not that much longer til 2.6 distros come out and then you'll be guaranteed that you gui cd burning apps will work. Kernel 2.6 isn't mandatory and compiling your own kernel isn't something that every single linux user needs to know how to do. Yea it nice to be able to do, but as a community we shouldn't be pushing newbies into major upgrades they may not be ready to do yet.
The first version I recall is 5.1 was which indeed based on Red Hat. From the Mandrake 5.1 release notes.
"Linux-Mandrake is an updated Linux-RH 5.1 GPL, with KDE 1.0 fully integrated and preconfigured in it. Those two parts have been (not so much) modified and improved to work properly together."
Red Hat didn't use to include KDE so we had to download it and configure it ourselves. Actually it was pretty easy. But for those who had heard of Linux and wanted the easiest to use DE (because of KDE) many tried Mandrake. I actually was a Huge Fan of Mandrake till about 7.2 IIRC. Man was that a good release. But since then I've simply not had anything good to say about their QA. Not to flame but IMHO since they simply stopped "building on" RH releases their quality has gone way downhill.
"2) Fedora is in fact the same as the Mandrake Cooker project, which started... 5 years ago."
Nope sorry Fedora is NOT the same as Cooker. Ever heard of Rawhide? Who is copying who again?
Second off Fedora releases go through a LOT of public testing unlike Rawhide and Mandrake Cooker. Fedora IS designed to be a stable release. Cooker, "Cooker is an experimental distribution, it's not for daily use!". Contrast that with "The goal of the Fedora Project is to work with the Linux community to build a complete, general purpose operating system exclusively from free software.". Pretty dam big difference.
The ONLY difference between Fedora and Mandrake's new "community" product is the respective QA of each company and how long the releases are supported.
Good Troll, but *Red Hat* is the one innovating here.
First off the source to RHAS is available so feel free to download it and compile it yourself. New distros like Whiteboxlinux have done exactly that. Don't want to compile it or download it from someone who has? Spend your own money on R&D and then make your own distro. You can then give it away for free compiled or do whatever you want with it.
Second, comparing the Mandrake download version with what you get with RHAS is a disingenuous comparison at best. They simply aren't in the same league.
Re:Trinity and Neo die in the new Matrix.
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"Trinity and Neo die in the new Matrix"
So are like you one of those people who thought it was funny to post Sirrus Black died in Harry Potter all over the net?
In case you ever look at your enemy list and see my name now you'll know why. Don't need to read posts from people who think its funny to try to ruin a book or movie I haven't seen yet.
"Even if after everything we've heard from them to date falls through, they may try to make the claim in court that every OS in existence is derived from SCO IP, and that being the case Linux users STILL owe SCO money, regardless of code."
Not gonna happen.
"Folks, the individual details of this don't matter at all. That's not what this is about."
No actually the details do matter. They matter in the court of law. Contrary to popular belief you can't just buy your way into winning every lawsuit.
"We are in the way of SCO's using our code for commercial purposes. Therefore we are the enemy to be destroyed, "
Yea, so what? MS wants linux destroyed as well and you how well that's worked for them.
Look, your just acting a bit hysterical here. Facts and law do matter. And contrary to your sky is falling ideas Linux isn't going to be destroyed by anyone. If it turns out that Caldera released the code under the GPL 5 years ago or whatever then this is hugely damaging to the case. This IS helpful. You can't just dismiss that and say "well SCO will just think of some angle to spin this." My advice to you is relax a bit and ease off the coffee. This case will resolve itself and there is no indication from any repudiable legal counsel or expert that SCO will be the end of Linux.
Actually Linux still is a speedy, svelte, lightweight OS. I don't think your right when you just say server. That's just not a realistic outlook on how everyone uses Linux. There are a ton of Linux Window Managers out there at this point that are pretty darn light on the resources. Just because 2 of the more popular DE's take a hefty system to run doesn't mean that you can just categorically say Linux isn't lightweight anymore
Also KDE 1.x performed pretty well on the hardware of the day IMO. At least when you compared it to an OS which equaled its functionality, ala Windows 95. A P200 w 64MB worked pretty well. It was KDE 2.x that was a total dog and dragged ass. Also I found that pre-KDE desktops like fvwm, afterstep etc were all pretty quick and responsive. Mostly because they didn't offer much in the way of functionality. So the notion that traditionally Linux was a speedy desktop really wasn't unwarranted, the same goes today when you avoid GNOME and KDE.
As you mentioned though, luckily for Gnome and KDE today's hardware is such overkill.
Yes you are missing something. People aren't robots and don't want to be treated as such. Come down hard on everyone and take all of their enjoyment out of life and you'll have high employee turnover and bunch of workers who hate you. There does need to be clear policies on what is acceptable but your idea of what a workplace should look like is Way over the line.
300GB a month? Nobody downloads that much. Have a look at what any news provider charges for that much data. No provider is going to deal with that much of a hog.
I agree the whole "unlimited" but really its limited thing pisses me off. They should just be honest and state the limits up front. But 30GB per month is pretty reasonable.
Lastly, and I usually hate when people say this sort of thing, anyone bumping into that limit EVERY month is a warez monkey (not that I even disapprove or care about that). At that rate you'd run out of Linux/BSD distros and Free music to try within a few months. I mean come on, who are we trying to kid?
PPC people who actually run Linux, are gamers, and have a computer fast enough to even warrant a GF 4, has to be dwarfed by both Amiga and Beos users. I don't think you should hold your breath. Using a Mac for gaming is a dicey proposition, using a Mac and then not running OS X for gaming is just ensuring you'll never play any games again. My advice which you probably don't want to hear anyway is to buy a console or an x86 PC.
" Joe Internet User couldn't read and understand if he wanted to"
Come on now. I'm not saying Booble shouldn't have to change the way they look, but any average idiot would Clearly notice the giant boobs, the fact that it says "adult search engine", and the fact that there is a big warning box. Also "couldn't read and understand if he wanted to"? Who are we talking about, 5 year olds who can't read that well yet? Anyone whose feet touch the ground once their sitting in a computer chair will be able to read and process that information.
I agree that they shouldn't be stealing Google's webdesign. But I have no problem with the name and obviously nobody's being tricked here into thinking booble is google. The fact that every single search result leads to an XXX site should make it pretty dam clear.
Of course it wasn't some malicous Linux user
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This was some criminal capitalizing on the Hot topic of the Linux vs SCO debate. If this worm has targeted the whiteshouse.gov site you've have the same idiots saying terrorists did it. These criminals just used Linux as a scapegoat. I try to avoid reading articles about this worm because I just can't stomach reading all these posts about how the OSS community should "tread lightly" etc. Get a clue people.
Red Hat announced their policy change many moons ago at this point and its been discussed to death. Do we really need to keep modding up posts where X user says "RedHat "burned" me and I'm switching to distro X!"? There's not much Insighful or Interesting about that.
Anecdotal huh? Why are you fighting with Lilo anyway? Install it once and don't touch it again. If you need an integrated solution just buy a Lindows box preloaded(not that I support Lindows but that's another story). The OS used by most of the planet needs drivers installed, hand holding to setup Palm syn, and bluetooth. The same things can be done on Linux as well.
Do you really need a list of all the company's and parts of governments that are now using Linux as a desktop? Obviosly it IS ready or they wouldn't be using it.
Linux is a useful desktop by any measure. Many people just need something to surf the web, check email, and do light office work. For this Linux functions just as well as Windows. The only caveat, which is a no-brainer btw, is make sure your hardware is supported.
Look, you obviously don't like Linux as a desktop. Fine. But don't think just rattling off a few problems you had makes Linux an unworthy desktop. I could just as well talk about XP driver and virus problems.
The same thing happen to MS's proprietary Word format. You know, the "real code" not that madeup hacked crap that used to be on MSDN. Get it out in the open and copy it to a million servers all around the world. Overnight you'd be able to drop in OpenOffice or abiword and have it work perfectly. Now I like OpenOffice, but let's get real. Besides docs which are simple plain text you end up having to fix the formatting on almost every doc you import. The same goes for any Office suite which isn't made by MS.
MS would bitch and moan. OpenOffice and other OpenSource projects would say they didnt' approve. But tons of little programs would be written which would make our lives easier and finally break MS's artificial stranglehold on Office software. One can dream I suppose.
This has NOTHING to do with Linux or OSS and I'm so sick and fucking tired of people trying to say "don't cheer this type of behavior on" or "this makes linux look bad". Shut the hell up! Stop being so freaking concerned with Image and worrying about Linux uptake. I could give a crap if Eweek, CNN, Fox news and every other jackass of a moron tech "journalist" says a Linux hacker did this. So what? Think the US government is going to shut down Debian over this? Think IBM is going to dump Linux because of this? Who cares if they do? Linux and OSS software were doig just fine thank you very much before IBM, HP, and Novell wrapped their greedy little hands around them. SCO will be dead sooner or later and quite frankly even with them around Linux isn't going anywhere.
Stop hitting the fucking panic button every time SCO issues a press release. It would REALLY help if/. would just ignore all this crap. God dam I sick of reading about Ipods and SCO. Moving fucking on already! *smashes laptop to pieces over my head*
Exactly what are these "too many" Linux office suites? There are only 3 Linux offices suites of note from the last 3 years. Gnome Office, OpenOffice.org, and KOffice. Gnome Office aka abiword has had rtf import for years and so has OO. In fact IIRC koffice actually did have rtf in its early versions. Yea Koffice has lacked in the import filter department, but every other Linux Office app I know of has had rtf import ability since the 90's. Heck even ones from 4 years ago like applixware, Star office, and Wordperfect for Linux could do this. Linux Office suites may be lacking in several areas, but basic rtf import ability has never been one of them.
Buggy? Slow, Big YES. But buggy? No, not really. KOffice has the integration thing down, but its well behind OO functionality wise and isn't cross platform.
That's the one thing about BSD users that we Linux users will never be able to tolerate. The snobbish attitude.
"appreciated the integrated feel that come from a real Unix, that was planned rather than hobbled together.
" moved to FreeBSD after bad experiences on Linux, with licensing, the ad-hoc design, and spagetti code."
"because it's nice to have a truly free system."
So your basically saying you think Linux is a wannbe Unix, with the "wrong' license, and is poorly designed? BSD is a solid reliable OS. I was actually surprised when Eug said a gui app crash brought the whole system down. That doesn't usually happen. But if the only way you know how to pimp your OS is to take cheap shots at Linux then your just doing your part to continue the idea that BSD users are a bunch of elitist asses.
An single app crash brought down the whole OS?
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" After about 40 minutes of compiling it and its dependancies I had VidioLAN up and running, only to get a black output window (the video was playing fine and the sound was fine but it would render black and it would take an awful lot of cpu, error messages on the terminal would appear, Google didn't help). After hitting a few random buttons on its window to make it stop, FreeBSD would just crash and the machine would reboot."
Buy a Canon printer. Cheap ink and plently of refill kits available. Not like HP where you'll get raped on ink costs for the life of your printer. My i560 was $89 at Costco and produces photo lab quality 4x6 prints in under a minute per print. I used to hate dealing with printers and feeling like I bought a ink money pit. Now I couldn't be happier.
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Maybe OEMS who want to license Opera for mobile computing will care, but your right. As far as the oh so bold %3 of people who don't use IE, longterm they'll probably all end up being Gecko users. The reasons for using Opera over Firefox for general browsing are slim to none. Before Firebird/FirefoxPhoenix came out they really had a point about Opera being lightweight as compared to the big monolithic Mozilla suite. But that was then and this is now. Nobody wants to pay for what you can get for free. If Opera can't establish itself as "the" browser for handhelds/pda's they don't have much of a future besides being a takeover target once their stock dips to sub $1.00 levels.
Sorry, I copyrighted the word "fuckers". Any written, oral, or pictorial representation belongs to me. Further use of the word "fuckers" will result in fines up to $100,000 per use and/or criminal punishment by a government branch of my choosing. Have a nice day.
I think this is yet another reason why people who aren't advanced users should wait until their distro maker puts out a new release with the 2.6 kernel and all its updated apps. Its not that much longer til 2.6 distros come out and then you'll be guaranteed that you gui cd burning apps will work. Kernel 2.6 isn't mandatory and compiling your own kernel isn't something that every single linux user needs to know how to do. Yea it nice to be able to do, but as a community we shouldn't be pushing newbies into major upgrades they may not be ready to do yet.
Why build your own PC?
Why build your own car?
Why build your own house?
Why do any of the above when you can just purchase the finished product outright which might be better than what you could build? Because we can.
The first version I recall is 5.1 was which indeed based on Red Hat. From the Mandrake 5.1 release notes.
"Linux-Mandrake is an updated Linux-RH 5.1 GPL, with KDE 1.0 fully integrated and preconfigured in it. Those two parts have been (not so much) modified and improved to work properly together."
Red Hat didn't use to include KDE so we had to download it and configure it ourselves. Actually it was pretty easy. But for those who had heard of Linux and wanted the easiest to use DE (because of KDE) many tried Mandrake. I actually was a Huge Fan of Mandrake till about 7.2 IIRC. Man was that a good release. But since then I've simply not had anything good to say about their QA. Not to flame but IMHO since they simply stopped "building on" RH releases their quality has gone way downhill.
From the Fedora Release Notes
"An Introduction to the Fedora Project
The Fedora Project is a Red Hat-sponsored and community-supported open source project."
"For more information, refer to the Fedora Project website:
http://fedora.redhat.com/"
"2) Fedora is in fact the same as the Mandrake Cooker project, which started... 5 years ago."
Nope sorry Fedora is NOT the same as Cooker. Ever heard of Rawhide? Who is copying who again?
Second off Fedora releases go through a LOT of public testing unlike Rawhide and Mandrake Cooker. Fedora IS designed to be a stable release. Cooker, "Cooker is an experimental distribution, it's not for daily use!". Contrast that with "The goal of the Fedora Project is to work with the Linux community to build a complete, general purpose operating system exclusively from free software.". Pretty dam big difference.
The ONLY difference between Fedora and Mandrake's new "community" product is the respective QA of each company and how long the releases are supported.
Good Troll, but *Red Hat* is the one innovating here.
First off the source to RHAS is available so feel free to download it and compile it yourself. New distros like Whiteboxlinux have done exactly that. Don't want to compile it or download it from someone who has? Spend your own money on R&D and then make your own distro. You can then give it away for free compiled or do whatever you want with it.
Second, comparing the Mandrake download version with what you get with RHAS is a disingenuous comparison at best. They simply aren't in the same league.
"Trinity and Neo die in the new Matrix"
So are like you one of those people who thought it was funny to post Sirrus Black died in Harry Potter all over the net?
In case you ever look at your enemy list and see my name now you'll know why. Don't need to read posts from people who think its funny to try to ruin a book or movie I haven't seen yet.
Come on now.
"Even if after everything we've heard from them to date falls through, they may try to make the claim in court that every OS in existence is derived from SCO IP, and that being the case Linux users STILL owe SCO money, regardless of code."
Not gonna happen.
"Folks, the individual details of this don't matter at all. That's not what this is about."
No actually the details do matter. They matter in the court of law. Contrary to popular belief you can't just buy your way into winning every lawsuit.
"We are in the way of SCO's using our code for commercial purposes. Therefore we are the enemy to be destroyed, "
Yea, so what? MS wants linux destroyed as well and you how well that's worked for them.
Look, your just acting a bit hysterical here. Facts and law do matter. And contrary to your sky is falling ideas Linux isn't going to be destroyed by anyone. If it turns out that Caldera released the code under the GPL 5 years ago or whatever then this is hugely damaging to the case. This IS helpful. You can't just dismiss that and say "well SCO will just think of some angle to spin this." My advice to you is relax a bit and ease off the coffee. This case will resolve itself and there is no indication from any repudiable legal counsel or expert that SCO will be the end of Linux.
Actually Linux still is a speedy, svelte, lightweight OS. I don't think your right when you just say server. That's just not a realistic outlook on how everyone uses Linux. There are a ton of Linux Window Managers out there at this point that are pretty darn light on the resources. Just because 2 of the more popular DE's take a hefty system to run doesn't mean that you can just categorically say Linux isn't lightweight anymore
Also KDE 1.x performed pretty well on the hardware of the day IMO. At least when you compared it to an OS which equaled its functionality, ala Windows 95. A P200 w 64MB worked pretty well. It was KDE 2.x that was a total dog and dragged ass. Also I found that pre-KDE desktops like fvwm, afterstep etc were all pretty quick and responsive. Mostly because they didn't offer much in the way of functionality. So the notion that traditionally Linux was a speedy desktop really wasn't unwarranted, the same goes today when you avoid GNOME and KDE.
As you mentioned though, luckily for Gnome and KDE today's hardware is such overkill.
Yes you are missing something. People aren't robots and don't want to be treated as such. Come down hard on everyone and take all of their enjoyment out of life and you'll have high employee turnover and bunch of workers who hate you. There does need to be clear policies on what is acceptable but your idea of what a workplace should look like is Way over the line.
300GB a month? Nobody downloads that much. Have a look at what any news provider charges for that much data. No provider is going to deal with that much of a hog.
I agree the whole "unlimited" but really its limited thing pisses me off. They should just be honest and state the limits up front. But 30GB per month is pretty reasonable.
Lastly, and I usually hate when people say this sort of thing, anyone bumping into that limit EVERY month is a warez monkey (not that I even disapprove or care about that). At that rate you'd run out of Linux/BSD distros and Free music to try within a few months. I mean come on, who are we trying to kid?
PPC people who actually run Linux, are gamers, and have a computer fast enough to even warrant a GF 4, has to be dwarfed by both Amiga and Beos users. I don't think you should hold your breath. Using a Mac for gaming is a dicey proposition, using a Mac and then not running OS X for gaming is just ensuring you'll never play any games again.
My advice which you probably don't want to hear anyway is to buy a console or an x86 PC.
" Joe Internet User couldn't read and understand if he wanted to"
Come on now. I'm not saying Booble shouldn't have to change the way they look, but any average idiot would Clearly notice the giant boobs, the fact that it says "adult search engine", and the fact that there is a big warning box. Also "couldn't read and understand if he wanted to"? Who are we talking about, 5 year olds who can't read that well yet? Anyone whose feet touch the ground once their sitting in a computer chair will be able to read and process that information.
I agree that they shouldn't be stealing Google's webdesign. But I have no problem with the name and obviously nobody's being tricked here into thinking booble is google. The fact that every single search result leads to an XXX site should make it pretty dam clear.
This was some criminal capitalizing on the Hot topic of the Linux vs SCO debate. If this worm has targeted the whiteshouse.gov site you've have the same idiots saying terrorists did it. These criminals just used Linux as a scapegoat. I try to avoid reading articles about this worm because I just can't stomach reading all these posts about how the OSS community should "tread lightly" etc. Get a clue people.
Red Hat announced their policy change many moons ago at this point and its been discussed to death. Do we really need to keep modding up posts where X user says "RedHat "burned" me and I'm switching to distro X!"? There's not much Insighful or Interesting about that.
Anecdotal huh? Why are you fighting with Lilo anyway? Install it once and don't touch it again. If you need an integrated solution just buy a Lindows box preloaded(not that I support Lindows but that's another story). The OS used by most of the planet needs drivers installed, hand holding to setup Palm syn, and bluetooth. The same things can be done on Linux as well.
Do you really need a list of all the company's and parts of governments that are now using Linux as a desktop? Obviosly it IS ready or they wouldn't be using it.
Linux is a useful desktop by any measure. Many people just need something to surf the web, check email, and do light office work. For this Linux functions just as well as Windows. The only caveat, which is a no-brainer btw, is make sure your hardware is supported.
Look, you obviously don't like Linux as a desktop. Fine. But don't think just rattling off a few problems you had makes Linux an unworthy desktop. I could just as well talk about XP driver and virus problems.
The same thing happen to MS's proprietary Word format. You know, the "real code" not that madeup hacked crap that used to be on MSDN. Get it out in the open and copy it to a million servers all around the world. Overnight you'd be able to drop in OpenOffice or abiword and have it work perfectly. Now I like OpenOffice, but let's get real. Besides docs which are simple plain text you end up having to fix the formatting on almost every doc you import. The same goes for any Office suite which isn't made by MS.
MS would bitch and moan. OpenOffice and other OpenSource projects would say they didnt' approve. But tons of little programs would be written which would make our lives easier and finally break MS's artificial stranglehold on Office software. One can dream I suppose.
This has NOTHING to do with Linux or OSS and I'm so sick and fucking tired of people trying to say "don't cheer this type of behavior on" or "this makes linux look bad". Shut the hell up! Stop being so freaking concerned with Image and worrying about Linux uptake. I could give a crap if Eweek, CNN, Fox news and every other jackass of a moron tech "journalist" says a Linux hacker did this. So what? Think the US government is going to shut down Debian over this? Think IBM is going to dump Linux because of this? Who cares if they do? Linux and OSS software were doig just fine thank you very much before IBM, HP, and Novell wrapped their greedy little hands around them. SCO will be dead sooner or later and quite frankly even with them around Linux isn't going anywhere.
/. would just ignore all this crap. God dam I sick of reading about Ipods and SCO. Moving fucking on already! *smashes laptop to pieces over my head*
Stop hitting the fucking panic button every time SCO issues a press release. It would REALLY help if
Exactly what are these "too many" Linux office suites? There are only 3 Linux offices suites of note from the last 3 years. Gnome Office, OpenOffice.org, and KOffice. Gnome Office aka abiword has had rtf import for years and so has OO. In fact IIRC koffice actually did have rtf in its early versions. Yea Koffice has lacked in the import filter department, but every other Linux Office app I know of has had rtf import ability since the 90's. Heck even ones from 4 years ago like applixware, Star office, and Wordperfect for Linux could do this. Linux Office suites may be lacking in several areas, but basic rtf import ability has never been one of them.
Buggy? Slow, Big YES. But buggy? No, not really. KOffice has the integration thing down, but its well behind OO functionality wise and isn't cross platform.
That's the one thing about BSD users that we Linux users will never be able to tolerate. The snobbish attitude.
"appreciated the integrated feel that come from a real Unix, that was planned rather than hobbled together.
" moved to FreeBSD after bad experiences on Linux, with licensing, the ad-hoc design, and spagetti code."
"because it's nice to have a truly free system."
So your basically saying you think Linux is a wannbe Unix, with the "wrong' license, and is poorly designed? BSD is a solid reliable OS. I was actually surprised when Eug said a gui app crash brought the whole system down. That doesn't usually happen. But if the only way you know how to pimp your OS is to take cheap shots at Linux then your just doing your part to continue the idea that BSD users are a bunch of elitist asses.
" After about 40 minutes of compiling it and its dependancies I had VidioLAN up and running, only to get a black output window (the video was playing fine and the sound was fine but it would render black and it would take an awful lot of cpu, error messages on the terminal would appear, Google didn't help). After hitting a few random buttons on its window to make it stop, FreeBSD would just crash and the machine would reboot."
Buy a Canon printer. Cheap ink and plently of refill kits available. Not like HP where you'll get raped on ink costs for the life of your printer.
My i560 was $89 at Costco and produces photo lab quality 4x6 prints in under a minute per print.
I used to hate dealing with printers and feeling like I bought a ink money pit. Now I couldn't be happier.