but hate the speed. If you have several files in a directory, Naut is unusable. When in linux I have two windows shares mounted. One is my mp3's, the other is docs and downloads. Trying to browse them with Naut is a non-starter. The same directories under Konq work fine and come up instantly.
Like I said, I do like Naut, but until it speeds up about a 1000% when browsing remote directories it will never have a place on any PC I use.
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Nothing wrong with the RH 8 version. Its still KDE and still has all of the KDE apps. Konq is still there, Kmail is still there, Kate is still there. How is this no longer KDE?
Redhat 8.0's KDE equals KDE plus a theme. Don't like it? Change the freaking theme.
If that happens at the Game maker/developer level for example EPIC or ID, they better be prepared for me to sue their ass's. That or you better make dam sure your refund department changes its stance. If I pay $50 to play a Online game and then you ban my entire ISP, which in all likelyhood is the only broadband I can even get, you can be sure I'm going to sue you in small claims court. There is no way a company could get away with that.
Now if some individual running a game server wants to ban someone, thats up to them. But the game maker better stay well away from the issue.
Seriously, besides saving your data you need a good UPS with AVR to feed your Power supply.
If you have power that sags or has other problems, even a high quality power supply is not going to save you.
I still can't believe there was ever a time when I didn't use a UPS at home. You really will add time to the life of your computer with a good UPS. Your PC will still become outdated, but at least it will be less likely to fail.
Call me when we actually need more than AGP 2X. I've seen a lot of tests which show only the minor differences between AGP 2X and 4X. Its nice to know the bandwidth will be there, but this is one of those technologies like Serial ATA which really won't be showing its potential for a few years. Of course that won't stop the marketing gurus from tellig people AGP 8 is a "must have".
Ha, Pyramid. My friend bought one of those $25 500W amps for his Jeep years ago. It looked and was shaped like a giant red christmas tree. Luckily it got stolen not soon after and then I made him by a real amp.
"Red Hat is OK, but I was burned one too many times with RPM dependency conflicts"
Apt-rpm. Although I certainly can relate to problems that used to occur years ago.
I am happy Debian is around, but I wish people would stop trying to use Redhat as some sort of scapegoat everytime they need a negative reference to compare their distro to. It's patently unfair considering A)how much they have given back to the community and B) how they continue to put out a Free highquality distro year after year. Someone's got to be number one, no need to begrudge them anything.
"Start off with a nice easy dist and as you grow you go towards Debian/Slack/Gentoo etc"
While I am all "grown", I feel no need to migrate to a less polished/harder to use distro. I can install and use literally any distro and I certainly don't need a a GUI to get my work done, but why stay in the stone age?
Advances in installs and config tools happen for a reason. There is nothing "better" about something being harder to use or master period. All products should be user friendly. Your forgetting that Computers are here to serve us, not make our lives more complicated.
Real progress is a newbie and an expert being able to accomplish the same task and letting the OS do the work. If I could wave a magic wand and make settings up a safe and solid web or database server as easy as falling off a log, you can bet your ass I would. If the tools you give someone are done correctly there is NO wrong way of doing something, it just works.
There will always be a place for hardcore users who want to "get under the hood", but real progress comes when you no longer have to do that and using a product becomes as easy as flipping on a light switch.
That is why I prefer the "easier to use" distros. Currently they may be making some sacificies in order to promote ease of use. But you know what? They are on the right track and I'd rather help them achieve their goal of becoming "light switches", as opposed any distro which requires a user to spend time mastering it as opposed to simply using it.
No its not flamebait, its the truth. I'll also be damned if I can't express how annoyed I am by SHOUTING IN CAPS. So there, pfft.
But then agin what do I know? I only used to sell software and handle Microsoft Enterprise licensing agreements for the 3 largest VAR in the world, and I've only been doing this whole "Opensource" thing since the mid 1990's.
It does also burn me that my taxes are continually wasted on Microsoft software. Whenever any money is spent on MS Office or a Windows 2000 file server, they are wasting my money when a perfectly suitable substitute exists as a free opensource product.
The taxpayers are being screwed(gee something new) when opensource software isn't considered.
Take for example the fact that their are tons of Wordstar installs out there still. This is an obsolete, unsupported,limited function product. Your telling me that going to OpenOffice instead of MS Office isn't a better idea in every possible way? Oh but no, now they get to enjoy the Outlook/Exchange lockin. Even if God forbid every OpenOffice developer died in a bus crash tomorrow, the Navy would STILL be better off then they are now. Access to the code kicks ass and prevents the current situation they are in now!
Also for their custom apps, they should be rewriting these for Opensource OS's and then also sharing these apps with the rest of the government to save time and money. There should be one freaking giant Opensource Software repository that all government agencies can go to for their needs. This of course should be shared back with us, WE ARE paying their salaries aren't we? Shouldn't we be getting something in return?
Let me also make something else perfectly clear. If the entire US government standardized on OpenOffice there would sure as hell be one giant stampede of consultant firms sending there supports staffs to learn how to use it. So that who will we call for support bullshit goes right out the window.
Instead they feed the MS beast and in the end will be more locked in then they were with 10 year old software.
STOP WASTING MY GOD DAM MONEY ON CLOSED SOURCE SOFTWARE!
There is something wrong with your PC then. On my old duron 1100 Moz w/ quick launch enabled was just as fast as IE. Even on a cold boot without quick launch Moz is only a few seconds slower to launch. Once launched it then relaunched pretty much about the same speed IE does.
On my XP1900 there is no difference with quicklaunch, and again not a huge difference without quicklaunch anyway.
Like I said If you have quick launch enabled on a XP1800 w/ 512MB and Moz doesn't come up instantly there is something wrong with your machine period.
"Maybe that would make "normal" people take us seriously, for starters. They don't when they clearly see the lies"
As opposed to MS who of course never lies to its customers about the performance or security of its products and has much more worthy goals.
Please, you'll excuse the meager PR our community can muster for Mozilla. Even if some of the opensource community's claims can at times stretch the truth you'll just have to resign yourself to realizing that all is fair in Love and War.
Yes I too would like to know who modded that Insightful. They should be exposed before all of Slashdot and have their mod privilages taken away. They should also not be allowed to use computer agin until they take a remedial "Introduction to computers" class.
Netpositive was garbage. The first thing anyone did when using beos was download a browser that actually worked with pages written after 1996. The thing about old OS's is people tend to remember them with Rose-tinted glasses. BeOs had a lot a major problems with it. Yea it was lightweight, and had a few decent multimedia apps, but beyond that it really didn't have much to offer, and still was missing some major functions like proper networking.
I think the one thing it will be remembered for mostly is being able to spin a bunch of teapots at once if you happened to own some of the limited hardware it ran on.
It is funny considering how long ago development stopped on BeOS how the zealots still insist it was the best OS ever.
I find it interesting how many people like having to compile everything and use a distro with such a archaic(not bad, just outdated compared to todays distros) install routine.
What's even more interesting is how many people have left Debian for Gentoo. Debian users are some of the most loyal I know, and yet many of them have simply moved on. I'm guessing Debian blew it with the long delay's between releases.
I also have to say after using linux for a while now, I just have no desire or need to get down and dirty with my distro, am I surprised as many people still are. Keep in mind I'm talking about desktop use where I just want to get my work done, not server use, where I do end up compiling some of my apps.
Personally I just don't have any interest in Gentoo or that style of distro, but obviously not everyone feels that way, since it does seem to be one of the up and coming distros.
we do not need a compatibility layer, we need native apps!
"Every desktop OS has at one time or another a compatibility layer to ease users over to its use. Mac OS X has one for old OS 9.2 apps"
Yea so what's your point? These compatibility layers were for running apps from the previous OS, NOT apps from an entirely different OS! OS 9.2 couldn't run windows apps, and Win 3.1 couldn't run Mac apps. We already have an OS that can run all of the windows apps, it called Windows.
Making wine work perfectly only serves to enforce the Windows monopoly. Do you now want the MS Office monopoly, proprietary file formats and all, to dominate the linux platform? Because that is what your idea leads to.
How is a "compatiblity layer" even a marketing tool?
You: Hey switch to linux you can run all of your old apps. Customer: But I can already do that now. You: Yes but you also get to enjoy zero tech support because your running in an unsupported configuration Customer: runs away
Wine is a crutch that keeps people stuck in the windows world. It's not like I don't understand why you or anyone else wouldn't want to stick with some old app you've been using for years, but the fact remains native apps are better in every way imaginable way.
I look at Open Office when I'm in Redhat 8.0 and think God, I remember using Netscape composer for word processing because there were no gui word processors for linux. It apps like that and Evolution that will over time surpass the very same MS versions you want to bring over. Don't you think that end result is better?
Linux gaining the ability to run all windows apps natively leads to a windows clone, and I didn't switch to linux so that I could use IE, Office and Photoshop.
"Requires registration for (security) updates. check"
No they don't require registration. You can freely download updates at will. You can also use apt to get the updates easily and quickly.
"Sends your installed packets list during online update. check"
Gee that wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that the need to know what packages are installed in order to do updates?
When Redhat attains a 90% market share, starts selling closed source software, starts forcing ISV's and OEM's to support ONLY their product, and then breaks every anti-trust law known to man, then I'll listen to your crap.
"That said, it is nice to have some pro-Linux FUD out there!;-)"
That doesn't mean its not true or that its FUD.
Case studies have to come from somewhere. When they happen to come from an illegal monopoly who lies and cheats in both the business world and also in the U.S courts, you'll excuse us if we question their validity and scrutinize them a little more than studies from other companies.
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but hate the speed. If you have several files in a directory, Naut is unusable. When in linux I have two windows shares mounted. One is my mp3's, the other is docs and downloads. Trying to browse them with Naut is a non-starter. The same directories under Konq work fine and come up instantly.
Like I said, I do like Naut, but until it speeds up about a 1000% when browsing remote directories it will never have a place on any PC I use.
Nothing wrong with the RH 8 version. Its still KDE and still has all of the KDE apps. Konq is still there, Kmail is still there, Kate is still there. How is this no longer KDE?
Redhat 8.0's KDE equals KDE plus a theme. Don't like it? Change the freaking theme.
Stop the FUD.
If that happens at the Game maker/developer level for example EPIC or ID, they better be prepared for me to sue their ass's. That or you better make dam sure your refund department changes its stance. If I pay $50 to play a Online game and then you ban my entire ISP, which in all likelyhood is the only broadband I can even get, you can be sure I'm going to sue you in small claims court. There is no way a company could get away with that.
Now if some individual running a game server wants to ban someone, thats up to them. But the game maker better stay well away from the issue.
BTW most gamers do NOT have static IP's.
"even when I lived in Mexico and had pretty questionable electricity."
Thats the job of a UPS. While I agree a high quality power supply is good, It can't do anything is the powersupply is constantly bad.
Seriously, besides saving your data you need a good UPS with AVR to feed your Power supply.
If you have power that sags or has other problems, even a high quality power supply is not going to save you.
I still can't believe there was ever a time when I didn't use a UPS at home. You really will add time to the life of your computer with a good UPS. Your PC will still become outdated, but at least it will be less likely to fail.
Call me when we actually need more than AGP 2X. I've seen a lot of tests which show only the minor differences between AGP 2X and 4X. Its nice to know the bandwidth will be there, but this is one of those technologies like Serial ATA which really won't be showing its potential for a few years. Of course that won't stop the marketing gurus from tellig people AGP 8 is a "must have".
Ha, Pyramid. My friend bought one of those $25 500W amps for his Jeep years ago. It looked and was shaped like a giant red christmas tree. Luckily it got stolen not soon after and then I made him by a real amp.
You sir get a cookie.
I am really liking Fatboxx.
"Don't forget, Debian is REALLY FREE "
So is Redhat, always was, always will be.
"Red Hat is OK, but I was burned one too many times with RPM dependency conflicts"
Apt-rpm. Although I certainly can relate to problems that used to occur years ago.
I am happy Debian is around, but I wish people would stop trying to use Redhat as some sort of scapegoat everytime they need a negative reference to compare their distro to. It's patently unfair considering A)how much they have given back to the community and B) how they continue to put out a Free highquality distro year after year. Someone's got to be number one, no need to begrudge them anything.
"Start off with a nice easy dist and as you grow you go towards Debian/Slack/Gentoo etc"
While I am all "grown", I feel no need to migrate to a less polished/harder to use distro. I can install and use literally any distro and I certainly don't need a a GUI to get my work done, but why stay in the stone age?
Advances in installs and config tools happen for a reason. There is nothing "better" about something being harder to use or master period. All products should be user friendly. Your forgetting that Computers are here to serve us, not make our lives more complicated.
Real progress is a newbie and an expert being able to accomplish the same task and letting the OS do the work. If I could wave a magic wand and make settings up a safe and solid web or database server as easy as falling off a log, you can bet your ass I would. If the tools you give someone are done correctly there is NO wrong way of doing something, it just works.
There will always be a place for hardcore users who want to "get under the hood", but real progress comes when you no longer have to do that and using a product becomes as easy as flipping on a light switch.
That is why I prefer the "easier to use" distros. Currently they may be making some sacificies in order to promote ease of use. But you know what? They are on the right track and I'd rather help them achieve their goal of becoming "light switches", as opposed any distro which requires a user to spend time mastering it as opposed to simply using it.
No its not flamebait, its the truth. I'll also be damned if I can't express how annoyed I am by SHOUTING IN CAPS. So there, pfft.
But then agin what do I know? I only used to sell software and handle Microsoft Enterprise licensing agreements for the 3 largest VAR in the world, and I've only been doing this whole "Opensource" thing since the mid 1990's.
It does also burn me that my taxes are continually wasted on Microsoft software. Whenever any money is spent on MS Office or a Windows 2000 file server, they are wasting my money when a perfectly suitable substitute exists as a free opensource product.
The taxpayers are being screwed(gee something new) when opensource software isn't considered.
Take for example the fact that their are tons of Wordstar installs out there still. This is an obsolete, unsupported,limited function product. Your telling me that going to OpenOffice instead of MS Office isn't a better idea in every possible way? Oh but no, now they get to enjoy the Outlook/Exchange lockin. Even if God forbid every OpenOffice developer died in a bus crash tomorrow, the Navy would STILL be better off then they are now. Access to the code kicks ass and prevents the current situation they are in now!
Also for their custom apps, they should be rewriting these for Opensource OS's and then also sharing these apps with the rest of the government to save time and money. There should be one freaking giant Opensource Software repository that all government agencies can go to for their needs. This of course should be shared back with us, WE ARE paying their salaries aren't we? Shouldn't we be getting something in return?
Let me also make something else perfectly clear. If the entire US government standardized on OpenOffice there would sure as hell be one giant stampede of consultant firms sending there supports staffs to learn how to use it. So that who will we call for support bullshit goes right out the window.
Instead they feed the MS beast and in the end will be more locked in then they were with 10 year old software.
STOP WASTING MY GOD DAM MONEY ON CLOSED SOURCE SOFTWARE!
There is something wrong with your PC then. On my old duron 1100 Moz w/ quick launch enabled was just as fast as IE. Even on a cold boot without quick launch Moz is only a few seconds slower to launch. Once launched it then relaunched pretty much about the same speed IE does.
On my XP1900 there is no difference with quicklaunch, and again not a huge difference without quicklaunch anyway.
Like I said If you have quick launch enabled on a XP1800 w/ 512MB and Moz doesn't come up instantly there is something wrong with your machine period.
"Maybe that would make "normal" people take us seriously, for starters. They don't when they clearly see the lies"
As opposed to MS who of course never lies to its customers about the performance or security of its products and has much more worthy goals.
Please, you'll excuse the meager PR our community can muster for Mozilla. Even if some of the opensource community's claims can at times stretch the truth you'll just have to resign yourself to realizing that all is fair in Love and War.
Make no mistake about it, we are at War with MS.
Actually its 7.0MB on windows and 9.1MB on Linux.
The size will also be getting smaller as time goes on and they rip out more of the uneeded stuff.
Here ya go. test
HAHAHA
Yes I too would like to know who modded that Insightful. They should be exposed before all of Slashdot and have their mod privilages taken away. They should also not be allowed to use computer agin until they take a remedial "Introduction to computers" class.
32-bit proessors can only use 32 Megabits of ram huh?
They actually support 4GB of ram, unless of course you were just trying to be funny.
Also for your future reference
http://www.crucial.com/library/mb_vs_mb.asp
Netpositive was garbage. The first thing anyone did when using beos was download a browser that actually worked with pages written after 1996.
The thing about old OS's is people tend to remember them with Rose-tinted glasses. BeOs had a lot a major problems with it. Yea it was lightweight, and had a few decent multimedia apps, but beyond that it really didn't have much to offer, and still was missing some major functions like proper networking.
I think the one thing it will be remembered for mostly is being able to spin a bunch of teapots at once if you happened to own some of the limited hardware it ran on.
It is funny considering how long ago development stopped on BeOS how the zealots still insist it was the best OS ever.
I find it interesting how many people like having to compile everything and use a distro with such a archaic(not bad, just outdated compared to todays distros) install routine.
What's even more interesting is how many people have left Debian for Gentoo. Debian users are some of the most loyal I know, and yet many of them have simply moved on. I'm guessing Debian blew it with the long delay's between releases.
I also have to say after using linux for a while now, I just have no desire or need to get down and dirty with my distro, am I surprised as many people still are. Keep in mind I'm talking about desktop use where I just want to get my work done, not server use, where I do end up compiling some of my apps.
Personally I just don't have any interest in Gentoo or that style of distro, but obviously not everyone feels that way, since it does seem to be one of the up and coming distros.
we do not need a compatibility layer, we need native apps!
"Every desktop OS has at one time or another a compatibility layer to ease users over to its use. Mac OS X has one for old OS 9.2 apps"
Yea so what's your point? These compatibility layers were for running apps from the previous OS, NOT apps from an entirely different OS! OS 9.2 couldn't run windows apps, and Win 3.1 couldn't run Mac apps. We already have an OS that can run all of the windows apps, it called Windows.
Making wine work perfectly only serves to enforce the Windows monopoly. Do you now want the MS Office monopoly, proprietary file formats and all, to dominate the linux platform? Because that is what your idea leads to.
How is a "compatiblity layer" even a marketing tool?
You: Hey switch to linux you can run all of your old apps.
Customer: But I can already do that now.
You: Yes but you also get to enjoy zero tech support because your running in an unsupported configuration
Customer: runs away
Wine is a crutch that keeps people stuck in the windows world. It's not like I don't understand why you or anyone else wouldn't want to stick with some old app you've been using for years, but the fact remains native apps are better in every way imaginable way.
I look at Open Office when I'm in Redhat 8.0 and think God, I remember using Netscape composer for word processing because there were no gui word processors for linux. It apps like that and Evolution that will over time surpass the very same MS versions you want to bring over. Don't you think that end result is better?
Linux gaining the ability to run all windows apps natively leads to a windows clone, and I didn't switch to linux so that I could use IE, Office and Photoshop.
Oh no, cause that would actually be helpful. Funny how yours is the most relevant question and yet a bunch of stupid MS jokes are modded higher.
I would mod you higher, but since I modded down Alan Cox I've never had mod points again. He was offtopic though.
"Requires registration for (security) updates. check"
No they don't require registration. You can freely download updates at will. You can also use apt to get the updates easily and quickly.
"Sends your installed packets list during online update. check"
Gee that wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that the need to know what packages are installed in order to do updates?
When Redhat attains a 90% market share, starts selling closed source software, starts forcing ISV's and OEM's to support ONLY their product, and then breaks every anti-trust law known to man, then I'll listen to your crap.
Until then do us all a favor and STFU.
BUT ITS NOT FREE!!!
You payed for it with your tution. You even realize this may be this case, so why the headline?
Oh so now I'm a troll eh? Whatever.
My point is valid. All linux distros ship with tools to read pdf files. They have now for several years.
But feel free to mod me down again you won't make a dent.
"That said, it is nice to have some pro-Linux FUD out there! ;-)"
That doesn't mean its not true or that its FUD.
Case studies have to come from somewhere. When they happen to come from an illegal monopoly who lies and cheats in both the business world and also in the U.S courts, you'll excuse us if we question their validity and scrutinize them a little more than studies from other companies.
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