And the day I can localise my keyboard too ! without needing to do it by changing XF86Config, something I can already do with KDE.
Oh, and I hope that some Gnome fanatic won't mark this as flamebait, as its seems that as soon as you dare to compare in Slashdot, some features in Gnome and KDE, there will always be someone who will automagically rate your comment as flamebait ! go figure.
Yeah this is the problem with Freshmeat, if people forgot to submit their software or their new realease it WON'T appear of freasmeat. Sourceforge people where working on an automatic Freashmeat integration so that every software release will automatically appear on Freashmeat, but as always with Sourceforge it takes a eternity to be done.
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>But, in practice, software patents are not used by typical programmers or computer-science researchers as a source of information on
>how stuff works;
Agreed ! and most of the times, even if they were published, they won't be of any use; as basic software techniques are often the same ! knowing your classics (The Art of Computer programming) are more than enough to recreate any patented software. So the main reason patents have been done (i.e. disclosure of original information while granting monopoly to it's owner) is caduceus in this case.
I think one of the workaround to this, is to make the publication of the source code necessary prior to granting any software patent; after source code is the equivalent of blue prints, and these are (I believe !?) necessary in areas which need them. This will no doubt limit the scope of abusively wide patents, and will ensure that reimplementation of the idea (which is not patentable) don't violate the patent.
I agree with the fact that Open Source won't go away, but if developers can't sustain themselves and can't work full time on projects, these projects will take forever to complete. Freasmeat and Sourceforge are full of projects which have been dragging their fleets for years and will never reach a useful state.
Open Source software will catch up proprietary one only if companies who develop it can have enough money to fund development and R&D. Open Source can't relay forever on hobbyists programming in their spare time.
What do you mean by this ? many of the KDE hackers are paid by Mandrake, SuSe, TheKompany, Caldera and even RedHat !
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This just shows why IBM Loves Linux, it can use it to kill two birds with one stone, ie. to fight it's two biggest competitors : SUN and Microsoft
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I keep hearing this argument again and again !
What we want Linux to prosper, to have more software, more hardware supported, more jobs for Linux enthusiasts, more money to be spend in it's development; and for this to happen Linux needs to eats other OS market share. If only 1% of the server was running Linux (just a supposition) who will take notice of it ? who will port software ? who test it's hardware with Linux ?
Yes we all know that Linux will never go away !even if it's market penetration dropped under 1% for all the reasons we all know, but then it will just an OS for hobbyists, and we don't want that to happen.
Yes it needs some setting and testing for a new category of material, but one it's done just create an image and load it automatically in your thousands if not millions similar machines.
Windows NT + Windows Terminal Server on a server and http://rdesktop.sourceforge.net/ on the Linux client running on ltsp. rdp is a Microsoft protocol similar to ICA of Citrix Metaframe.
Have you heard of the ltsp (www.ltsp.org) ? Linux Server Terminal Project, it's a very nice way to transform cheap and diskless PC into X-Terminal.
According to some people in the mailing lists :
http://www.ltsp.org/pipermail/discuss/2000-April /0 00673.html
http://www.ltsp.org/pipermail/discuss/2001-Febru ar y/004941.html
http://www.ltsp.org/pipermail/discuss/2000-June/ 00 1385.html
Vmware and Win4Lin run just fine in with ltsp. Although I concede that VMware server needs to be beefy. So, the trick is just to set somewhere a server with VMware or Win4Lin, and "occasional" wusers who can't do without their windows applications can log to that server ad execute them. See the Win4Lin benchmarks, they are interesting.
This of course, can be seen as migration process to Thin Client and a permannet solution.
Just install it on server with Vmware or Win4Lin (server version) people who still need to run windows software can then log to these machines and run in.
Not sure if there is really a lot of work of the "community" in the Sourceforge, sure there have been some patch submited mainly in localisation, but the bulk of the work has been done by the Sourceforge team, and many have complained that the development has not been that open and transparent. There have been an article about this in Slashdot last year but don't remember exactly when.
The is already a PDF extension currently in development for XFree86, though not very active : http://sourceforge.net/projects/dps/. The description of the project in Sourceforge says this :
An extension largely compatible with Display PostScript(r). The implementation is targeted at XFree86, and is based on L. Peter Deutsch's ``Ghostscript'' interpreter.
This will be the best guaranty that all the holes will be quickly found. Also I feel that it's the right of every citizen (or at least the knowledgeable ones) to know exactly what kind of system is used to gather their votes, this is a basic right.
Highly improbable, most of people I know who have tried or who are programming in Java are simply in love with it, and nobody will be able to change that even the Almighty Microsoft. Also Java (and Linux for that matter) is very popular in university as a programming teaching language at least in Europe. Micorosoft is able to change many things but not those kind of things. What we often tend to forget is that they are mere mortal and not god:)
It's highly probable that the situation will remain the same for a long time if not for ever. You need to choose the right tool for the right task; and java will never be a system programming language, it has not been done for that. Java is a good application programming language, if you need to do optimised stuff, you will probably stay with C or sometimes C++
>If the Islamic world had so much to offer the
>West, why didn't we see an Islamic Renaissance
>prior to the European Renaissance? Or do you
>believe knowledge can be "stolen," as some
>think?
In fact this renaissance happened once, but from the 7th to maybe the 12th, when the Islamic was open and self confident. The Islamic civilisation borrowed from all other civilisations (Romans, Greeks, Persians, Indians, etc) they also made their own advance. From the 12th, Islamic world began to fear the rise of Europe and basically became a closed civilisation, turned to it's past, and saw the rise of fundamentalism as a reaction of protection and fear. This was the beginning of the end.
But I agree that knowledge belongs to humanity, and to a particular nation, and might not be stolen.
This is not true, you already had many fundamentalist periods in the Islamic World. Fundamentalism traditionally raised every time Islam or the Islamic nation was perceived in danger, as it's the case today because of modern civilisation. This is a kind of protection against it.
In fact they missed the "rational" revolution, although they had very brilliant scholars like Avicennes, Averoes et al, who began to laid it's foundation but never crossed the boundaries. The reason was that it was not conceivable to say that things may have a rational explanation and not simply made by god's will, this was perceived as a form of apostasy could lead you death sentence and still in many countries. This has not been simple in Christian countries too, remember Galileo and Jordano Bruno.
Here is Don Knuth home page, it answers some of you questions. He has retired from his job, and has decided not even have an email address, as he wants to finish his Encyclopaedia. He considers it rightfully as the work of his life.
Knuth books are the material proof that software patents are stupid. I mean 99% of what you need to create a software is in Knuth Books; every useful algorithme, sorting, searching, tables look up, indexing methods are there, all the basic.
It's the proof that nearly everything has been said in that field, and patenting software is in fact patenting "the function" and not "the organ" !
Yes this, because when you are a programmer the idea on patenting a program seems really stupid, as you always in 99% of the time, tend to use the same tools. After all it's always "loops", "tables", "tables look up", "files" and "trees", and nearly everyting you need is in "The Art of computer programming" by Don. Knuth.
Only people who don't understand what a program is, support the idea of patenting it, those people believe it must be some kind of "black magic" or something.
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And the day I can localise my keyboard too ! without needing to do it by changing XF86Config, something I can already do with KDE.
Oh, and I hope that some Gnome fanatic won't mark this as flamebait, as its seems that as soon as you dare to compare in Slashdot, some features in Gnome and KDE, there will always be someone who will automagically rate your comment as flamebait ! go figure.
http://www.mosfet.org/liquid.html
I hope Gnome will catch up soon.
Yeah this is the problem with Freshmeat, if people forgot to submit their software or their new realease it WON'T appear of freasmeat. Sourceforge people where working on an automatic Freashmeat integration so that every software release will automatically appear on Freashmeat, but as always with Sourceforge it takes a eternity to be done.
>But, in practice, software patents are not used by typical programmers or computer-science researchers as a source of information on
>how stuff works;
Agreed ! and most of the times, even if they were published, they won't be of any use; as basic software techniques are often the same ! knowing your classics (The Art of Computer programming) are more than enough to recreate any patented software. So the main reason patents have been done (i.e. disclosure of original information while granting monopoly to it's owner) is caduceus in this case.
I think one of the workaround to this, is to make the publication of the source code necessary prior to granting any software patent; after source code is the equivalent of blue prints, and these are (I believe !?) necessary in areas which need them. This will no doubt limit the scope of abusively wide patents, and will ensure that reimplementation of the idea (which is not patentable) don't violate the patent.
I agree with the fact that Open Source won't go away, but if developers can't sustain themselves and can't work full time on projects, these projects will take forever to complete. Freasmeat and Sourceforge are full of projects which have been dragging their fleets for years and will never reach a useful state.
Open Source software will catch up proprietary one only if companies who develop it can have enough money to fund development and R&D. Open Source can't relay forever on hobbyists programming in their spare time.
What do you mean by this ? many of the KDE hackers are paid by Mandrake, SuSe, TheKompany, Caldera and even RedHat !
This just shows why IBM Loves Linux, it can use it to kill two birds with one stone, ie. to fight it's two biggest competitors : SUN and Microsoft
I keep hearing this argument again and again !
What we want Linux to prosper, to have more software, more hardware supported, more jobs for Linux enthusiasts, more money to be spend in it's development; and for this to happen Linux needs to eats other OS market share. If only 1% of the server was running Linux (just a supposition) who will take notice of it ? who will port software ? who test it's hardware with Linux ?
Yes we all know that Linux will never go away !even if it's market penetration dropped under 1% for all the reasons we all know, but then it will just an OS for hobbyists, and we don't want that to happen.
Come on !
Yes it needs some setting and testing for a new category of material, but one it's done just create an image and load it automatically in your thousands if not millions similar machines.
Can you say economy of scale ?
And here is an even less costly solution :
Windows NT + Windows Terminal Server on a server and http://rdesktop.sourceforge.net/ on the Linux client running on ltsp. rdp is a Microsoft protocol similar to ICA of Citrix Metaframe.
Absolutly not !
l /0 00673.html
u ar y/004941.html
/ 00 1385.html
Have you heard of the ltsp (www.ltsp.org) ? Linux Server Terminal Project, it's a very nice way to transform cheap and diskless PC into X-Terminal.
According to some people in the mailing lists :
http://www.ltsp.org/pipermail/discuss/2000-Apri
http://www.ltsp.org/pipermail/discuss/2001-Febr
http://www.ltsp.org/pipermail/discuss/2000-June
Vmware and Win4Lin run just fine in with ltsp. Although I concede that VMware server needs to be beefy. So, the trick is just to set somewhere a server with VMware or Win4Lin, and "occasional" wusers who can't do without their windows applications can log to that server ad execute them. See the Win4Lin benchmarks, they are interesting.
This of course, can be seen as migration process to Thin Client and a permannet solution.
Just install these applicatiobs on a server with Linux+Vmware+WindowsXX and make your users connect to them !
Just install it on server with Vmware or Win4Lin (server version) people who still need to run windows software can then log to these machines and run in.
Not sure if there is really a lot of work of the "community" in the Sourceforge, sure there have been some patch submited mainly in localisation, but the bulk of the work has been done by the Sourceforge team, and many have complained that the development has not been that open and transparent. There have been an article about this in Slashdot last year but don't remember exactly when.
The is already a PDF extension currently in development for XFree86, though not very active : http://sourceforge.net/projects/dps/. The description of the project in Sourceforge says this :
An extension largely compatible with Display PostScript(r). The implementation is targeted at XFree86, and is based on L. Peter Deutsch's ``Ghostscript'' interpreter.
This will be the best guaranty that all the holes will be quickly found. Also I feel that it's the right of every citizen (or at least the knowledgeable ones) to know exactly what kind of system is used to gather their votes, this is a basic right.
Simply because it's a Microsoft product duh !
It's just another tool for Microsoft to exert it's evil power, and this more than enough for many.
Highly improbable, most of people I know who have tried or who are programming in Java are simply in love with it, and nobody will be able to change that even the Almighty Microsoft. Also Java (and Linux for that matter) is very popular in university as a programming teaching language at least in Europe. Micorosoft is able to change many things but not those kind of things. What we often tend to forget is that they are mere mortal and not god :)
It's highly probable that the situation will remain the same for a long time if not for ever. You need to choose the right tool for the right task; and java will never be a system programming language, it has not been done for that. Java is a good application programming language, if you need to do optimised stuff, you will probably stay with C or sometimes C++
>If the Islamic world had so much to offer the
>West, why didn't we see an Islamic Renaissance
>prior to the European Renaissance? Or do you
>believe knowledge can be "stolen," as some
>think?
In fact this renaissance happened once, but from the 7th to maybe the 12th, when the Islamic was open and self confident. The Islamic civilisation borrowed from all other civilisations (Romans, Greeks, Persians, Indians, etc) they also made their own advance. From the 12th, Islamic world began to fear the rise of Europe and basically became a closed civilisation, turned to it's past, and saw the rise of fundamentalism as a reaction of protection and fear. This was the beginning of the end.
But I agree that knowledge belongs to humanity, and to a particular nation, and might not be stolen.
>The religious fundamentalism came later
This is not true, you already had many fundamentalist periods in the Islamic World. Fundamentalism traditionally raised every time Islam or the Islamic nation was perceived in danger, as it's the case today because of modern civilisation. This is a kind of protection against it.
In fact they missed the "rational" revolution, although they had very brilliant scholars like Avicennes, Averoes et al, who began to laid it's foundation but never crossed the boundaries. The reason was that it was not conceivable to say that things may have a rational explanation and not simply made by god's will, this was perceived as a form of apostasy could lead you death sentence and still in many countries. This has not been simple in Christian countries too, remember Galileo and Jordano Bruno.
Here is Don Knuth home page, it answers some of you questions. He has retired from his job, and has decided not even have an email address, as he wants to finish his Encyclopaedia. He considers it rightfully as the work of his life.
http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/
Knuth books are the material proof that software patents are stupid. I mean 99% of what you need to create a software is in Knuth Books; every useful algorithme, sorting, searching, tables look up, indexing methods are there, all the basic.
It's the proof that nearly everything has been said in that field, and patenting software is in fact patenting "the function" and not "the organ" !
>
Yes this, because when you are a programmer the idea on patenting a program seems really stupid, as you always in 99% of the time, tend to use the same tools. After all it's always "loops", "tables", "tables look up", "files" and "trees", and nearly everyting you need is in "The Art of computer programming" by Don. Knuth.
Only people who don't understand what a program is, support the idea of patenting it, those people believe it must be some kind of "black magic" or something.